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| 02:28.47 | GPSFan | g1powermac_AFK: if you are interested in the JTAG pinnout of the OMAP1710, you might try looking at the schematic for the Nokia 770. |
| 02:51.11 | chouimat|happy | ok this was fun |
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| 03:10.24 | chouimat|Zzzz | ~quote scox |
| 03:40.16 | GPSFan | g1powermac_AFK: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/N770_Schematics.pdf |
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| 13:11.53 | g1powermac | GPSFan, interesting |
| 13:12.30 | g1powermac | GPSFan, does the Nokia use the OMAP1710? |
| 13:12.44 | g1powermac | cause its labeled a bit differently in the schematic |
| 13:13.20 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I can see the jtag pins on the schematic, and they don't seem to be connected on the 770, but your Skype phone may be different. All you need now is a way to tell what pin is what on the 1710. |
| 13:13.37 | GPSFan | yes the 770 uses an omap1710 |
| 13:14.06 | g1powermac | nice |
| 13:14.11 | g1powermac | thanks for the find |
| 13:14.22 | GPSFan | sure, np... |
| 13:14.49 | g1powermac | that'll definitely help :-) |
| 13:15.46 | g1powermac | yea, now all that is needed is to figure out the pin numbering |
| 13:15.54 | g1powermac | which could be a bit interesting |
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| 13:26.27 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 13:27.30 | prpplague | hey |
| 13:29.03 | g1powermac | prpplague, GPSFan got me a step closer to id'ing the jtag pins for the OMAP1710 proc in the phone |
| 13:29.15 | g1powermac | http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/N770_Schematics.pdf |
| 13:29.42 | g1powermac | the N770 uses the same proc and that is a nice schematic of it showing the pins of the processor |
| 13:30.09 | prpplague | g1powermac: yep, nice |
| 13:30.17 | prpplague | g1powermac: you started a page on elinux yet? |
| 13:30.26 | g1powermac | not yet, going to shortly |
| 13:37.26 | g1powermac | bwahahaahah |
| 13:37.32 | g1powermac | found the pin numbering layout |
| 13:37.39 | g1powermac | http://www-s.ti.com/sc/psheets/mpbg284a/mpbg284a.pdf |
| 13:39.57 | g1powermac | in combination, I now have a nice pinout and should be able to id if the jtag is brought out |
| 13:47.18 | g1powermac | thanks again GPSFan for that schematic |
| 13:56.42 | prpplague | ~scox |
| 13:56.43 | purl | hmm... scox is the stock symbol of a doomed company. Sell! Sell! Sell! |
| 13:56.46 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
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| 14:43.37 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:43.57 | CosmicPenguin | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/144373208/samsungs-smt+i8080-connects-to-net-hosts-video-calls-289616.php |
| 14:44.01 | CosmicPenguin | Look familiar? :) |
| 14:49.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: glad you aren't in the tropics any more? |
| 14:50.56 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, nice phone |
| 15:01.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but my in-laws are |
| 15:02.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea looks familiar |
| 15:05.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the weather should be deteriating rapidly then for your in-laws |
| 15:10.11 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:10.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: should be back around thursday night friday morning |
| 15:11.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: should go about 50 miles north of barbados |
| 15:11.12 | agaffney | ~quote scox |
| 15:11.21 | agaffney | hey, stop going back up |
| 15:14.59 | chouimat | htttp://userfriendly.org |
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| 15:27.06 | agaffney | chouimat: hahaha |
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| 17:43.47 | prpplague | crap i have too much to do |
| 17:44.00 | g1powermac | ain't that the truth. . . |
| 17:44.50 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 17:45.11 | Exiles | people bought scox? |
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| 18:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | Exiles: please - educate your self a little bit on the stock market before commenting |
| 18:02.47 | Exiles | okay |
| 18:03.22 | Exiles | I'll be honest I don't kno anything about stocks |
| 18:11.48 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, http://www.elinux.org/SMC_WSKP100 |
| 18:14.58 | g1powermac | initial entry for my phone :-) |
| 18:20.25 | prpplague | good deal |
| 18:21.01 | Exiles | Comic, would you mind giving me the 30 second overview of how to read stocks? |
| 18:22.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, the links section keeps getting bigger as I keep remembering more stuff :-) |
| 18:23.20 | g1powermac | prpplague, I promise lots of pics once I get my phone cracked open :-) |
| 18:24.44 | prpplague | good deal |
| 18:48.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 18:48.43 | g1powermac | prpplague, you know, a cool idea with these phones is to put this on the linux install: http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=main |
| 18:48.49 | g1powermac | a wifi mesh of wifi phones |
| 18:49.19 | prpplague | hehe eya |
| 18:49.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: pong.. |
| 18:51.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, would be quite cool in our store, give everyone one of these phones, and each one actually works to extend the wifi network for better coverage |
| 18:52.08 | GPSFan | g1powermac: weher did you order your phone form and How much $$$ ? |
| 18:52.19 | g1powermac | GPSFan, amazon for about $150 |
| 18:52.32 | GPSFan | tnx.. |
| 18:53.04 | g1powermac | http://www.amazon.com/SMC-WSKP100-802-11G-Wireless-Skype/dp/B000INI1H8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-0869989-9507669?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187203968&sr=8-1 |
| 18:53.12 | g1powermac | lemme add that to the wiki page of the phone |
| 18:53.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: the mmc-multi.c is just one file right? |
| 18:53.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: no other includes ? |
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| 18:57.25 | GPSFan | that's it, no .h the includes are listed in the front of the file #include xxxxxxx |
| 18:58.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok thanks |
| 18:58.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: still trying to decide on what to do for the mmc/sd stuff via spi |
| 18:58.51 | g1powermac | GPSFan, added where you can buy the phone to the wiki page for it |
| 18:59.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: there is a spi interface for the mmc stack but it will take me a couple of days to get working |
| 18:59.09 | g1powermac | GPSFan, also added the bit about wifi meshing the wifi phones, I think that'd be neat :-) |
| 19:00.25 | GPSFan | g1powermac: that's a cool application, imagine a "cloud of users" all roaming about in constant contact, connecting to the internet via who's ever closest, has best bandwidth. |
| 19:00.51 | g1powermac | yup |
| 19:01.11 | g1powermac | with only one or two actual APs that hook to the internet |
| 19:01.52 | GPSFan | distributed access |
| 19:02.10 | g1powermac | yea, could do that too |
| 19:02.50 | GPSFan | many possibilities with a good "phone-like-device" that's open source. |
| 19:05.24 | g1powermac | yup |
| 19:06.01 | g1powermac | anyone else want to join my hacking adventure? :-) |
| 19:08.57 | agaffney | g1powermac: send me a device :P |
| 19:10.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I'm interested since I have a nokia 770 and what you do may be usefull. Same processor, different wifi etc. Too bad they cost more than my 770 ;>) |
| 19:11.31 | GPSFan | budjet for new toys is low atm... ;>( |
| 19:13.11 | g1powermac | GPSFan, yea, know that feeling |
| 19:13.34 | g1powermac | agaffney, hehe, if I could. . . . |
| 19:14.17 | g1powermac | the budget for this project actually came from our business, since actually after the hack, it'll be useful for the business |
| 19:14.18 | ds2 | g1powermac: what are you hacking? |
| 19:14.33 | g1powermac | ds2, http://www.elinux.org/SMC_WSKP100 |
| 19:15.21 | g1powermac | ds2, that wiki page has all the currently relevant info I can find thus far for the phone |
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| 19:16.29 | g1powermac | GPSFan, you know , that is pretty crazy the 770 actually costs less |
| 19:18.04 | g1powermac | though it doesn't look like you could get one new for anywhere near $150 unless you hit ebay |
| 19:19.14 | prpplague | damit i never can remember the command line to import a new kernel tree into cvs |
| 19:20.01 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, I very rarely remember any cvs command, not sure why, but I always have to look them up |
| 19:25.02 | CosmicPenguin | Does buy.com stil have the cheap 70s? |
| 19:25.12 | CosmicPenguin | 770s even |
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| 19:32.05 | prpplague | crap |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | can't find my notes |
| 19:32.18 | prpplague | been ages since i imported a fresh kernel |
| 19:32.47 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 19:33.10 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 19:34.51 | chouimat | prpplague: look like I will get a greenphone soon |
| 19:34.58 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 19:35.46 | CosmicPenguin | wmat: thats a good buy, IMHO |
| 19:36.34 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: I can't remember, is it fully hackable? |
| 19:36.46 | wmat | CosmicPenguin: I know Nokia has basically stopped supporting it |
| 19:36.47 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 19:36.53 | CosmicPenguin | maemo ftw |
| 19:37.33 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: still at buy.com @US$144 |
| 19:44.48 | g1powermac | but I need more of a phone than a pda type thingie for the store |
| 19:45.01 | g1powermac | but personally, the nokia 770 is quite nice |
| 19:45.46 | CosmicPenguin | the 770 is definately not PDAish |
| 19:46.29 | Exiles | I would live to get a phone that runs linux |
| 19:46.56 | Exiles | love* |
| 19:47.19 | prpplague | plenty out there, just not very many in the US |
| 19:47.45 | Exiles | yeah |
| 19:47.56 | chouimat | it's worse in canada |
| 19:48.06 | Exiles | I'm stuck in a cdma area still |
| 19:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | The new RAZR2 runs Linux |
| 19:51.38 | Exiles | ouch ~$500 |
| 19:52.55 | Exiles | rather have a pda phone at that price |
| 20:17.35 | prpplague | wheee |
| 20:17.44 | prpplague | got the hammer registered |
| 20:23.30 | Crofton | openmoko |
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| 20:25.58 | jbevren | http://vinchysky.angelfire.com/ |
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| 20:35.16 | g1powermac | CosmicPenguin, yea, guess so, but it definitely isn't a phone :-) |
| 20:36.30 | g1powermac | jbevren, whoa, thats neat |
| 20:37.36 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 20:44.38 | jbevren | g1powermac: I'm looking at making a similar device (re the woz sequencer) but for commodores |
| 20:44.52 | g1powermac | cool |
| 20:45.07 | jbevren | Ive done some experimenting already (http://starbase.globalpc.net/~jbevren/1541/ ) |
| 20:45.14 | g1powermac | oldest thing I got that is known functional is a 486 |
| 20:45.33 | g1powermac | I do have a Mac II, but never checked to see if it works |
| 20:45.46 | jbevren | I used the c64 on the right (dscn2586) as a keyboard-equipped microcontroller heh |
| 20:45.52 | g1powermac | and I also have mobos to the mac 512k and the classic |
| 20:45.57 | jbevren | Exiles: my smallest box is a 50mhz apollo 715 |
| 20:46.03 | jbevren | my biggest is a j5600 |
| 20:46.09 | chouimat | the oldest things still functional is a Color Computer 3 and a ZX-81 |
| 20:46.19 | jbevren | I remember the TS1000 |
| 20:46.25 | jbevren | I installed one inside my childhood TV |
| 20:46.28 | jbevren | :D |
| 20:46.30 | Exiles | http://www.openpa.net/systems/712.html |
| 20:46.31 | g1powermac | need to get myself some vintage stuff off ebay |
| 20:46.39 | Exiles | my computer has a web page :) |
| 20:46.55 | chouimat | I have a completely brokne Intellivision 1 somewhere |
| 20:47.05 | Exiles | hmmm, thought when I read the cpu it said 66mhz |
| 20:47.09 | g1powermac | since I'm only 21, I never got my hands on anything too old |
| 20:47.18 | jbevren | http://www.openpa.net/systems/715.html <- equipped with SCSI floppy |
| 20:47.28 | jbevren | http://www.openpa.net/systems/forte.html <- big HP |
| 20:47.33 | jbevren | I also have a 735/125 |
| 20:47.37 | jbevren | with 480M ram lol |
| 20:47.41 | jbevren | maxed out |
| 20:47.54 | Exiles | I only have 64mb ram |
| 20:47.57 | g1powermac | heh, nice |
| 20:48.00 | Exiles | but I have a 9GB hdd |
| 20:48.02 | chouimat | jbevren: I have a nice O2 with 160Mb iirc |
| 20:48.28 | g1powermac | a powermac 6100, fully decked out |
| 20:48.34 | g1powermac | with a G3 card in it |
| 20:48.41 | g1powermac | 4gb scsi hard drive |
| 20:48.47 | g1powermac | and I think 72 mb of ram |
| 20:49.04 | g1powermac | that sucker is the fastest running mac os 8 machine out there :-) |
| 20:49.17 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:49.23 | jbevren | my O2's have 1G ram each |
| 20:49.29 | jbevren | one is 200mhz r5k |
| 20:49.39 | g1powermac | oh, it also has the apple video capture card thingie |
| 20:49.40 | jbevren | the other is 175mhz r10k with camera |
| 20:49.51 | jbevren | g1powermac: cool |
| 20:49.51 | g1powermac | so i could run multiple monitors, and even capture tv signals |
| 20:49.55 | jbevren | my funnest toys applewise |
| 20:50.00 | jbevren | IIci with 40mhz daystar |
| 20:50.01 | chouimat | mine is a 175,hz r10k can't install linux on it and I lost the irix CDs :( |
| 20:50.07 | jbevren | IIcx with radius thunderIV GX |
| 20:50.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:50.18 | g1powermac | jbevren, I even have cut a hole on the top and installed a second case fan to keep the G3 cool :-) |
| 20:50.22 | jbevren | the IIcx also has a radius rocket (33mhz 040) |
| 20:50.28 | Exiles | jbevren, would you happen to have a copu of hpux laying around? |
| 20:50.28 | jbevren | hah |
| 20:50.33 | jbevren | Exiles: I dont |
| 20:50.34 | Exiles | copy* |
| 20:50.37 | jbevren | you can get it via decus tho |
| 20:50.40 | jbevren | my HPs run linux |
| 20:50.42 | chouimat | jbevren: irix? |
| 20:50.48 | jbevren | chouimat: irix on the O2s yeah |
| 20:50.51 | g1powermac | it was the fastest mac I had till I got my 12" G4 Powerbook |
| 20:50.53 | jbevren | the O200 runs linux |
| 20:50.56 | jbevren | the octane is irix :) |
| 20:50.58 | jbevren | the indys are linux |
| 20:51.10 | g1powermac | even was one of the first machines I attempted to install linux on |
| 20:51.13 | jbevren | the O2k runs irix also |
| 20:51.17 | jbevren | <- sgi server farm |
| 20:51.36 | prpplague | i have 2.6.22 booting on the hammer |
| 20:51.52 | g1powermac | which did fail in the end, cause well, the first generation powermacs are a pain to get linux on :-) |
| 20:52.27 | Exiles | NextSTEP 3.3 RISC (Sun SPARC+HP PARISC) |
| 20:52.33 | chouimat | jbevren: got mine free but the guy didn't remember his root password and didn't have the CD ... maybe I will try to install netbsd on it |
| 20:52.38 | Exiles | I have but need a scsi cdrom drive |
| 20:52.47 | jbevren | chouimat: Your irix system? |
| 20:52.52 | chouimat | yes |
| 20:52.53 | jbevren | install xfs module in linux |
| 20:52.59 | jbevren | hook the drive up to your linux box :) |
| 20:53.08 | jbevren | edit /etc/passwd |
| 20:53.15 | g1powermac | mmm, netbsd, haven't played with it in awhile |
| 20:53.38 | jbevren | chouimat: have you tried typing 'single' at the firmware prompt? |
| 20:53.46 | jbevren | unless they locked it down, that should get you a shell |
| 20:53.57 | jbevren | or boot -s, I cant remember |
| 20:54.00 | jbevren | boot -s might be sun |
| 20:54.56 | chouimat | jbevren: I might try it ... but I really want linux on it but the support for r10k based o2 seems to be ... well buggy |
| 20:55.06 | Exiles | can't install nextstep without a cdrom drive or way to boot the iso |
| 20:56.09 | jbevren | chou; its cause the hardware blows :) |
| 20:56.14 | jbevren | its not cache coherent |
| 20:56.21 | chouimat | I know ... |
| 20:56.21 | jbevren | for r10k, just use irix and gnu |
| 20:56.32 | jbevren | you can even take advantage of the MACE that way :) |
| 20:56.49 | jbevren | (mace is a dedicated audio/video cpu) |
| 20:57.13 | jbevren | chouimat: I'm impressed btw at how much faster the 175mhz r10k is than the 200mhz r5k :D |
| 20:57.19 | jbevren | its a true showing of technology advances |
| 20:57.33 | jbevren | another thing that impressed me :) |
| 20:57.56 | jbevren | I was working in irix, and the system popped up an error window that told me there was a recoverable ECC failure on the backside of the dimm in slot X |
| 20:58.10 | jbevren | htat's pretty sweet |
| 21:00.12 | chouimat | netbsd seems to have mace support now |
| 21:00.18 | g1powermac | http://www.elinux.org/R8610_Based_WAP |
| 21:00.20 | g1powermac | hmmmm |
| 21:01.58 | g1powermac | s/server/serve |
| 21:05.47 | chouimat | jbevren: http://netbsd.org/ports/sgimips/ |
| 21:11.32 | jbevren | Hm phobos support |
| 21:11.38 | jbevren | wonder if the Indy phobos card is supported |
| 21:11.50 | jbevren | I had an r5k indy online when I worked at a datacenter |
| 21:11.59 | jbevren | It was cool to see it run a full 10Mbit hehe |
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| 21:15.26 | jbevren | chouimat: cool |
| 21:15.38 | MothaWork | so, who's actually done dense BGA layout? |
| 21:16.27 | prpplague | MothaWork: i've done a little, and so has tomw |
| 21:16.53 | jbevren | http://starbase.globalpc.net/~jbevren/1541/track18.jpg <- mm gcr |
| 21:16.55 | jbevren | lol |
| 21:19.08 | MothaWork | I'm trying to find a place who can actually handle the microvias required to bring out this BGA |
| 21:19.22 | MothaWork | to get 5/5 trace/space, I need a 15 mil via pad |
| 21:20.12 | prpplague | MothaWork: i can ask who we use for a quick turns |
| 21:20.57 | MothaWork | my normal company is Advanced Circuits |
| 21:20.58 | prpplague | anyone know if the 2.6.23 window is already closed? |
| 21:21.08 | MothaWork | they can do this on their flex process, but not rigid |
| 21:21.36 | prpplague | crap, cvs is jacking with the $ID tags |
| 21:22.01 | MothaWork | I'm working with a 0.8mm pitch BGA |
| 21:22.13 | MothaWork | 18x18 with no center cutout |
| 21:22.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: sounds pretty standard |
| 21:22.34 | MothaWork | yes |
| 21:22.39 | MothaWork | fanout is proving to be difficult though |
| 21:22.56 | MothaWork | I can't get the vias small enough on the rigid processes any of the people I use for quickturns can actually make |
| 21:23.07 | prpplague | MothaWork: orcad? |
| 21:23.12 | MothaWork | Altium Designer |
| 21:23.20 | MothaWork | essentially protel |
| 21:23.41 | MothaWork | I've got it fanned out to a via grid, but I can't pull traces out between the vias without going to smaller vias than I can have made |
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| 21:25.10 | ds2 | cvs add -ko! |
| 21:27.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea i need -kb instead to prevent changed |
| 21:27.25 | prpplague | changes |
| 21:27.30 | ds2 | no no |
| 21:27.42 | MothaWork | prpplague: if I go to 5 mil via drill, 15 mil pad, and 5/5 trace/space, I can do this, but I'm concerned about manufacturability |
| 21:27.50 | ds2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.59 | ds2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.51 | prpplague | yea i know |
| 21:30.45 | ds2 | one tends to remember these things after screwing up and having 23434123423423423234 diff hits due to molested $Id$'s ;) |
| 21:31.11 | prpplague | yea, i always export and do a diff to make sure it was imported cleanly |
| 21:31.24 | MothaWork | isn't there a way to tell it to ignore tags in diffs? |
| 21:31.42 | prpplague | in diffs yea |
| 21:31.51 | prpplague | but that just ignores the problem |
| 21:32.00 | ds2 | it creates a different problem |
| 21:32.17 | ds2 | makes it harder to spot a change you made vs a real different external version |
| 21:36.42 | prpplague | MothaWork: i'm pretty sure tha we are using 5/5 |
| 21:36.54 | MothaWork | prpplague: the 5/5 isn't the problem so much as the 5 mil drill |
| 21:37.02 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea |
| 21:37.19 | prpplague | MothaWork: our layout guy is at lunch |
| 21:37.26 | prpplague | MothaWork: should be back shortly |
| 21:37.29 | MothaWork | ok |
| 21:37.38 | MothaWork | I'll probably be around work for another hour or so |
| 21:39.08 | MothaWork | this is low enough volume that process costs don't concern me much |
| 21:39.13 | MothaWork | the issue will simply behaving them made at all |
| 21:39.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: he's looking now |
| 21:40.16 | ds2 | 5mil drill should be a problem if they have the right machines |
| 21:40.42 | MothaWork | ds2: I know there are places that can do it, but I don't know of any that do quickturn/low volume |
| 21:40.54 | ds2 | gotcha |
| 21:40.58 | MothaWork | AC can do it on their flex process, which of course you can make rigid boards on, too |
| 21:40.58 | prpplague | MonMotha: i suspect you might go with a 8mil drill and 15mill pad |
| 21:41.15 | MothaWork | they'll allow annular rings that low? |
| 21:41.19 | MothaWork | who do you use? |
| 21:41.30 | MothaWork | everybody I've found wants vias to be 10mil larger than drill |
| 21:41.41 | ds2 | MothaWork: I was quite impressed at the little machine a saw a few weeks ago... they had a demo with an array of 0.005 holes in ~0.060 aluminum and they vendor claims it can go smaller w/o problems |
| 21:41.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: we do all our own boards in house, but we do protos/quick turns at board houses |
| 21:42.05 | MothaWork | ds2: well, I know many PCB fab places are now doing laser drilled microvias |
| 21:42.21 | MothaWork | prpplague: any suggestions as to places for proto/quickturn? |
| 21:43.22 | prpplague | MothaWork: as soon as the layout guy gets with me, i'll have an answer for ya |
| 21:43.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: probably 10 minutes or so |
| 21:44.16 | prpplague | hmm |
| 21:44.30 | prpplague | should i use the sysfs led structure? hmmm |
| 21:48.51 | jbevren | you should heh |
| 21:48.56 | jbevren | just in the name of sticking with standards :) |
| 21:49.16 | Exiles | yeah |
| 21:49.31 | prpplague | yea, i know, but its such a pain for such a little item, i much prefer procfs |
| 21:49.58 | ds2 | copy what the gumstix folks did, use proc ;) |
| 21:50.10 | prpplague | ds2: yea i already have procfs entries working |
| 21:50.22 | prpplague | ds2: just deciding about moving some of the items to 2.6.22 |
| 21:50.30 | ds2 | ah |
| 21:50.39 | ds2 | but isn't there an LED driver in the 2.6 series already? |
| 21:50.47 | chouimat | prpplague: sound like you will have weeks of fun :) |
| 21:51.21 | prpplague | ds2: yea buts its rather involved in registering a device, and uses sysfs rather than procfs |
| 21:51.40 | Exiles | the sysfs looks like a better way of handling hardware to be honest |
| 21:52.12 | prpplague | Exiles: i tend to disagree on the side of dealing with third party devrs |
| 21:52.18 | prpplague | Exiles: proc is much easier |
| 21:52.28 | chouimat | both have their purpose |
| 21:52.33 | prpplague | chouimat: agreed |
| 21:52.46 | prpplague | <chouimat> prpplague: sound like you will have weeks of fun :) |
| 21:52.49 | prpplague | weeks? |
| 21:52.59 | prpplague | no more than a couple of days |
| 21:53.08 | chouimat | prpplague: just to make Murphy happy ;) |
| 21:53.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:53.18 | prpplague | chouimat: thought i was |
| 21:54.26 | chouimat | prpplague: the problem in linux is procfs is used for way too many thing ... |
| 21:55.53 | Exiles | you do a perso9ns arrest |
| 21:56.19 | Exiles | sorry, wrong window |
| 21:56.56 | CosmicPenguin | Iproc is easier then sysfs? |
| 21:56.59 | CosmicPenguin | no way |
| 21:57.06 | CosmicPenguin | if anything, its equal |
| 21:57.21 | ds2 | prpplague: it is quite involved but I was surprised at the flexibility that give you. |
| 21:57.26 | chouimat | CosmicPenguin: it's easier if you're more used to use it :) |
| 21:57.31 | CosmicPenguin | oh, is that it? |
| 21:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | Screw this - I'm going to write soem code |
| 22:00.09 | ds2 | why not some everclear instead? |
| 22:02.53 | MothaWork | prpplague: what layout software do you guys use, btw? |
| 22:04.48 | prpplague | pads |
| 22:05.22 | MothaWork | that one seems popular |
| 22:05.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i find the sysfs layout not very straight forward |
| 22:07.08 | prpplague | anyone else get a couple of warnings in stdin when compiling 2.6.22? |
| 22:09.12 | jbevren | heh |
| 22:09.18 | jbevren | if proc is already working, ta heck with it :) |
| 22:09.28 | jbevren | better than ioctl()'ing a /dev entry to death |
| 22:12.53 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i have the leds and pb working through /proc already |
| 22:13.13 | prpplague | jbevren: but i'll probably move atleast the leds over to the sysfs structure |
| 22:13.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i'll see more tomorrow |
| 22:13.33 | prpplague | jbevren: doing the base testing with 2.6.22 now |
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| 22:27.51 | prpplague | MothaWork: ping |
| 22:30.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 22:30.17 | jbevren | :X |
| 22:30.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 22:30.28 | jbevren | |firewall |
| 22:30.55 | MothaWork | prpplague: pong |
| 22:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | pingpongpang |
| 22:31.10 | jbevren | Poing! |
| 22:31.11 | MothaWork | smash |
| 22:31.12 | jbevren | :D |
| 22:31.21 | MothaWork | | . | |
| 22:31.22 | jbevren | <dnat> Cosmic: ping |
| 22:31.23 | jbevren | :) |
| 22:31.30 | MothaWork | | * | |
| 22:31.37 | MothaWork | I'll stop |
| 22:31.38 | prpplague | MothaWork: 10mil drill, 16.5mil pad, 5/5 trace/space |
| 22:31.39 | jbevren | | *| |
| 22:31.44 | prpplague | MothaWork: 4pcb.com |
| 22:31.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: need your $0.02 |
| 22:32.00 | MothaWork | prpplague: they'll allow that small of an annular ring on their regular rigid proto process? |
| 22:32.13 | prpplague | MothaWork: seems so |
| 22:32.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.pastebin.ca/658904 |
| 22:32.32 | MothaWork | hum, not what their capabilities/tolerances pages so |
| 22:32.33 | MothaWork | say |
| 22:32.37 | MothaWork | but maybe they can do it |
| 22:33.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where would put that driver in the kernel tree? |
| 22:33.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: currently i just have it in drivers/char |
| 22:33.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: simple push button driver |
| 22:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm.... |
| 22:36.32 | CosmicPenguin | I would put it in your subarch tree |
| 22:36.41 | jbevren | nod |
| 22:36.51 | prpplague | hmm |
| 22:36.54 | jbevren | the closest thing I can think of for simple pushbuttons would be ACPI |
| 22:37.09 | prpplague | thanks for the info |
| 22:37.09 | jbevren | kernel expert I'm certainly not heh |
| 22:37.15 | prpplague | be back in the morning |
| 22:37.18 | jbevren | kk ciao |
| 22:45.01 | MothaWork | also going home for the evening |
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