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| 02:33.17 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 02:34.21 | prpplague | jbevren / Exiles / T0mW`gone ping |
| 02:35.29 | Exiles | I live |
| 02:36.00 | Exiles | okay, make it so people know which direction to plug jtag in on the hamme board |
| 02:36.24 | prpplague | should be marked? hard to tell? |
| 02:36.31 | prpplague | Exiles: did you fry it? |
| 02:37.29 | Exiles | yeah |
| 02:37.32 | Exiles | hard to tell |
| 02:38.07 | prpplague | oh, but the hammer is still working? |
| 02:38.33 | Exiles | I did the wise thing, I turned it off and used my multimeter to test for the ground points |
| 02:39.09 | Exiles | and since pin 12 wasn't ground on the sinde thats grounded usealy |
| 02:39.16 | Exiles | that told me everything |
| 02:39.19 | prpplague | good deal, i'll make a note |
| 02:39.28 | prpplague | Exiles: this is the kind of feedback we are looking for |
| 02:39.57 | Exiles | but looking at it from the top, the jtag looks the same on both sides |
| 02:40.25 | prpplague | hmm, the silkscreen mask is suppose to have an identation |
| 02:40.33 | prpplague | i.e. like this |
| 02:40.48 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.54 | prpplague | "/ |
| 02:40.57 | Exiles | a second way it could be done, remove one of the ground pins of the jtag, and put a block in the ribbon cable |
| 02:41.13 | prpplague | yea, that violates the ieee specs |
| 02:41.49 | Exiles | true, but having used jtag before, one missing ground pin won't hurt it |
| 02:42.34 | prpplague | i'll see what i can do, first run we'll have to go with what we got on the jtag, but i'll see about the markings |
| 02:42.46 | Exiles | yeah |
| 02:42.56 | Exiles | have to start somewhere |
| 02:43.41 | prpplague | yep |
| 02:43.50 | prpplague | what else? |
| 02:44.32 | Exiles | going to start working on building a module for my network adaptor for it now |
| 02:44.44 | prpplague | usb? |
| 02:44.47 | Exiles | yep |
| 02:45.08 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:45.26 | prpplague | Exiles: after you get it running, be sure and start a elinux.org wiki page |
| 02:45.27 | Exiles | adm8511 chipset |
| 02:46.25 | Exiles | figured simper to start with my usb one |
| 02:46.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:47.11 | Exiles | as I work on getting the build root and kernel going |
| 02:47.53 | prpplague | the buildroot should be pretty easy |
| 02:48.05 | prpplague | just extract it, copy the Hammer-config to .config |
| 02:48.08 | prpplague | and do a make |
| 02:50.43 | Exiles | where does it expect "buildroot" to be located |
| 02:52.47 | prpplague | doesn't matter, you can extract it anywhere |
| 02:52.51 | Exiles | and it's refrencing .config.cmd |
| 02:53.27 | prpplague | ahh, you'll probably need to do a "make oldconfig" |
| 03:00.30 | Exiles | hame to get gcc and such working |
| 03:15.20 | MonMotha | prpplague: what place was it that you used for your finer pitch (for 0.8mm BGA) boards? |
| 03:16.33 | wmat | 20:09 < bill> or anyone, would an ARM9 based ATMEL AT91 board requried an EABI |
| 03:16.33 | wmat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.33 | wmat | 20:11 < drow> bill: Depends what they're doing with it. |
| 03:16.33 | wmat | 20:11 < drow> If they're going to run Linux on it they'll want a Linux |
| 03:16.46 | wmat | oops |
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| 04:01.49 | Exiles | no clue |
| 04:01.54 | Exiles | haven't seen him at all |
| 04:03.04 | Exiles | ah, looks like it's building now |
| 04:03.25 | Exiles | gah, I need bison |
| 04:09.24 | Exiles | flex |
| 04:09.27 | Exiles | gettext |
| 04:16.08 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, I'll look at it tomorrow via JTAG. Too pooped to pop right now. |
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| 04:23.27 | Exiles | buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/us/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: No such file or directory found. |
| 04:24.52 | Exiles | not sure if meant to save space or if if going makes going to build it itself atm, but I figured you should know |
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| 13:14.28 | jbevren_ | so I'm at home |
| 13:14.33 | jbevren_ | the hammer is smaller than I imagined |
| 13:15.43 | prpplague | jbevren_: hehe |
| 13:15.48 | prpplague | jbevren_: whatcha think? |
| 13:15.54 | jbevren_ | its cute |
| 13:15.56 | jbevren_ | lol |
| 13:15.59 | prpplague | jbevren_: gonna get some time to play with it today? |
| 13:16.10 | jbevren_ | can I use the flyswatter console (usb) and the carrier board at the same time? |
| 13:16.15 | jbevren_ | not much, I plan to fire it up and explore |
| 13:16.24 | jbevren_ | my onlyt system set up at home atm is a subnotebook |
| 13:16.28 | jbevren_ | itsa a challenge to type on :) |
| 13:16.36 | jbevren_ | afk- PCB standofs |
| 13:18.07 | prpplague | jbevren_: yea, you should be able to |
| 13:22.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: see ya fri, did you ever get the 2.6 ethernet driver compiling? |
| 13:24.45 | jbevren_ | k |
| 13:24.48 | jbevren_ | which pin is pin 1 :) |
| 13:24.54 | jbevren_ | (jtag to the right) |
| 13:34.35 | prpplague | jbevren_: if you look at the silk screen you should see an indentation in the mask |
| 13:35.17 | prpplague | jbevren_: if you are looking at the carrier board, the pin-1 for the jtag is next to the large electrolytic cap |
| 13:35.22 | prpplague | jbevren_: C1 |
| 13:35.28 | jbevren_ | hm |
| 13:35.39 | jbevren_ | <- nearsighted |
| 13:35.50 | prpplague | jbevren_: yea we have mark that better |
| 13:36.36 | jbevren_ | agh first bent pins :D |
| 13:36.57 | prpplague | jbevren_: yea, we are talking about using zif on the carrier board |
| 13:38.56 | jbevren_ | 115kbps? |
| 13:39.02 | jbevren_ | sorry for the stupid questins :) |
| 13:39.03 | prpplague | jbevren_: yea for the console |
| 13:39.05 | jbevren_ | k |
| 13:39.11 | jbevren_ | I dont have a usb cdrom for this thing heh |
| 13:39.13 | prpplague | jbevren_: np thats the kind of stuff we need to document |
| 13:39.16 | jbevren_ | and its way too small to have one inside |
| 13:39.57 | jbevren_ | hehe |
| 13:40.00 | jbevren_ | hm |
| 13:40.39 | jbevren_ | doesnt work with acm.o :X |
| 13:41.25 | jbevren_ | or serial.o? |
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| 13:42.01 | prpplague | jbevren_: what doesn't work with those? |
| 13:42.06 | jbevren_ | the flyswatter |
| 13:42.12 | jbevren_ | cant find a serial driver that'll register it |
| 13:42.20 | jbevren_ | (still trying) |
| 13:42.22 | prpplague | jbevren_: ahh is that what you were asking? |
| 13:42.26 | jbevren_ | atm yeah |
| 13:42.42 | prpplague | jbevren_: oh, yea, there is a seperate driver for that |
| 13:42.52 | jbevren_ | its not in-kernel? :X hehe |
| 13:42.55 | prpplague | jbevren_: i didn't include that in the cd, i was still tweaking it |
| 13:43.04 | jbevren_ | wiki? |
| 13:43.16 | prpplague | jbevren_: what about the wiki? |
| 13:43.23 | jbevren_ | is the driver there:) |
| 13:43.31 | prpplague | no not yet |
| 13:43.35 | jbevren_ | doh |
| 13:43.38 | prpplague | hadn't had anyone ask for it yet |
| 13:43.47 | jbevren_ | where do I acquire the usb serial driver for the flyswatter :) |
| 13:43.48 | prpplague | i'll see if can get it posted today |
| 13:43.53 | jbevren_ | kk |
| 13:44.01 | jbevren_ | off to lok for the dock some more :) |
| 13:44.18 | prpplague | jbevren_: which docs do you need? |
| 13:44.31 | jbevren_ | none yet, I'm just trying to get a console on it |
| 13:44.35 | jbevren_ | found the dock in plain sight argh |
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| 13:45.24 | prpplague | jbevren_: hehe, i'm not connecting with you today, i thought you were asking about documents |
| 13:45.31 | jbevren_ | lol nope |
| 13:45.35 | prpplague | not docking station |
| 13:45.47 | jbevren_ | the system I"m on is a subnotebook |
| 13:45.52 | jbevren_ | the only ports it has onboard are usb ;-) |
| 13:45.59 | jbevren_ | but I couldnt find its rs2323 dock |
| 13:46.03 | jbevren_ | lol :) Sorry for the confusion |
| 13:46.35 | Exiles | working on uploading a new image |
| 13:47.08 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:47.56 | jbevren_ | hehe |
| 13:48.11 | Exiles | type boot and hit enter |
| 13:48.15 | jbevren_ | nod |
| 13:48.18 | jbevren_ | did already :) |
| 13:48.27 | jbevren_ | I havent run into a primary loader that didnt have a 'boot'command |
| 13:48.29 | jbevren_ | thanks :) |
| 13:48.45 | jbevren_ | I used to have this big scary dual 486/66 |
| 13:48.51 | jbevren_ | even it had a boot command in its IPL |
| 13:49.15 | jbevren_ | prpplague: btw |
| 13:49.29 | jbevren_ | I must praise Hammertools for including a working cable set |
| 13:49.31 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 13:49.55 | prpplague | s/Hammertools/TinCanTools |
| 13:50.03 | jbevren_ | yeah those guys |
| 13:50.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:50.16 | jbevren_ | this will be a fun board to work with I'm sure |
| 13:51.05 | jbevren_ | nice jffs2 :) |
| 13:51.12 | jbevren_ | I wont have to convert it ;-) |
| 13:51.51 | prpplague | jbevren_: there is a change to the bootload/kernel/ramdisk to change the max size of the kernel from 768k to 1024k |
| 13:52.06 | jbevren_ | prpplague: Ah |
| 13:52.22 | jbevren_ | I'll worry about the kernel when I need to change it tho |
| 13:52.24 | jbevren_ | hehe |
| 13:53.41 | jbevren_ | dunno why, but this makes me want to drag my 640x200x1bpp lcd out ;-) |
| 13:53.48 | jbevren_ | shame its 5v |
| 13:53.53 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 13:54.11 | jbevren_ | not a big deal though, I have some bus transcievers that I've used with success as level shifters |
| 13:54.21 | jbevren_ | 5v tolerant 3.3v 8bit bidir ports |
| 13:54.32 | jbevren_ | lcd data's unidirectional, which makes it easy |
| 13:54.57 | jbevren_ | I got it for $1.00 at a scrap sale |
| 13:55.11 | jbevren_ | no backlight, simple serial interface |
| 13:55.23 | jbevren_ | just line, frame, data, and clock |
| 13:57.22 | jbevren_ | so the firmware change for larger kernel is just a partition layout difference? |
| 14:02.00 | prpplague | jbevren_: check your lib/modules dir on your distro to see if you have a ftdi_so module |
| 14:02.26 | prpplague | jbevren_: you might already have it |
| 14:02.30 | jbevren_ | ah |
| 14:02.40 | jbevren_ | I was going to try that one but you said yo'd been tweaking before I did :) |
| 14:02.49 | jbevren_ | I saw the flyswatter has a ftd chip |
| 14:02.59 | jbevren_ | let me try reql quick |
| 14:04.00 | jbevren_ | meh not claimed |
| 14:04.11 | jbevren_ | I have to run 2.4 on this thing cause 2.6 doesnt have the psaux interface my touchscreen needs :( |
| 14:04.12 | prpplague | odd |
| 14:04.29 | prpplague | jbevren_: what distro? |
| 14:04.34 | jbevren_ | debian |
| 14:04.43 | jbevren_ | 2.4.25 stock kernel |
| 14:04.51 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:04.59 | prpplague | not sure if that would have the ftdi_so.o |
| 14:05.18 | prpplague | oh |
| 14:05.21 | prpplague | i know what it is |
| 14:05.31 | prpplague | the product ID is different |
| 14:05.41 | prpplague | let me have a look |
| 14:05.55 | jbevren_ | it does |
| 14:05.58 | jbevren_ | ftdi_sio.c: v1.3.5:USB FTDI Serial Converters Driver |
| 14:05.58 | jbevren_ | hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 6 |
| 14:05.58 | jbevren_ | usb.c: USB device 6 (vend/prod 0x403/0x6010) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 14:06.01 | jbevren_ | (/spam) |
| 14:06.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:06.19 | jbevren_ | newer chip than the driver knows about I guess |
| 14:06.35 | prpplague | jbevren_: just do a quick check of /proc/devices |
| 14:06.48 | prpplague | jbevren_ to see if ttyUSB is present |
| 14:07.09 | jbevren_ | just usb/tts/xd |
| 14:07.15 | jbevren_ | and the core driver |
| 14:07.21 | jbevren_ | I know usb works, my eth gadget is usb |
| 14:09.01 | prpplague | yea, one sec, let me do a test |
| 14:12.25 | jbevren_ | btw I agree with Ken's assertion, the regulator is uncomfortably hot |
| 14:12.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:12.40 | jbevren_ | when I get standoffs for it, I'll glue heatsinks to the regulator and the bottom of the pcb |
| 14:13.51 | jbevren_ | afk phone |
| 14:18.41 | jbevren_ | I know |
| 14:18.42 | jbevren_ | gpsfan is |
| 14:18.47 | jbevren_ | and he was talking about heat yesterday :) |
| 14:18.55 | Exiles | so was I |
| 14:19.21 | jbevren_ | lol :) |
| 14:20.02 | jbevren_ | Exiles: have you used the flyswatter for serial console? |
| 14:20.11 | Exiles | yes |
| 14:20.23 | Exiles | on a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:20.24 | jbevren_ | is rs232 passed over the jtag cable or do I need to run the rs232 cable? |
| 14:20.41 | jbevren_ | I feel stupid for not thinking of that before, but thats not my current issue |
| 14:20.43 | prpplague | jbevren_: you'll have to run the rs232 cable |
| 14:20.47 | jbevren_ | thought I"d ask before I get to that step |
| 14:20.48 | Exiles | rs232 cable from what I saw |
| 14:20.49 | jbevren_ | prpplague: gotcha |
| 14:21.12 | prpplague | Exiles: your flyswatter worked ok in 2.6? |
| 14:21.23 | Exiles | yeah |
| 14:21.25 | prpplague | jbevren_ yes i'm testing on a 2.4 box now |
| 14:21.26 | jbevren_ | I need to get trying those 2.6 psaux patches |
| 14:21.32 | jbevren_ | prpplague: cool |
| 14:21.36 | jbevren_ | support extraordinaire |
| 14:21.39 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 14:21.51 | jbevren_ | this laptop is somewhat of an embedded system itself heh |
| 14:22.00 | jbevren_ | 300mhz, 160M ram, 10" touchscreen lcd |
| 14:22.04 | jbevren_ | tiny keyboard |
| 14:22.08 | Exiles | not sure about the jtag half, but it shows up as dual serial ports |
| 14:22.13 | jbevren_ | (that Ive fixed with rear defrost repair paste) :) |
| 14:30.47 | prpplague | Exiles: if you do a cat /proc/bus/usb/device | grep -e "Product" what does it return? |
| 14:31.02 | prpplague | Exiles: should show "Flyswatter" |
| 14:39.54 | jbevren_ | prpplague: thats present in mine |
| 14:41.00 | prpplague | jbevren_: one sec |
| 14:42.37 | jbevren_ | :) |
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| 14:44.00 | prpplague | jbevren_ phone |
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| 14:45.49 | jbevren_ | mine? |
| 14:46.13 | prpplague | jbevren_ me |
| 14:46.17 | jbevren_ | ohh |
| 14:46.18 | jbevren_ | afk phone :) |
| 14:46.19 | jbevren_ | gotcha |
| 14:46.28 | jbevren_ | I"m in no rush |
| 14:46.40 | jbevren_ | so even if you dont fix it today, I'm not going to lose any more hair than I normally do :) |
| 14:47.09 | jbevren_ | in fact, dont put too much energy into it, cause I wont be using this one for dev in the long run |
| 14:47.14 | jbevren_ | 300mhz compiling buildroot is .. meh |
| 14:47.15 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 14:49.04 | prpplague | jbevren_: beeper is accessed via /sys/class/input/input1/ |
| 14:49.18 | prpplague | jbevren_: duration file is the duration in 10ms intervals |
| 14:49.30 | prpplague | jbevren_: i.e. duration value of 100 is 1 second |
| 14:49.55 | prpplague | jbevren_: to do a tone, do something like "echo 4096 > beep" |
| 14:50.13 | prpplague | jbevren_: and whatever the duration is set for you get a tone for that time period |
| 14:50.27 | prpplague | jbevren_: if you want a continuous tone, set duration to 0 |
| 14:50.47 | prpplague | jbevren_: to turn off the beep when duration is set to 0, echo 0 to beep |
| 15:00.51 | jbevren_ | but /sys doesnt exist :) |
| 15:01.47 | jbevren_ | input0's there but not input1. curious |
| 15:01.56 | jbevren_ | input0's the beeper tho |
| 15:03.03 | jbevren_ | hm |
| 15:03.06 | jbevren_ | no duration file |
| 15:03.10 | prpplague | uh what? |
| 15:03.13 | prpplague | are you sure? |
| 15:03.27 | jbevren_ | (spam) |
| 15:03.33 | jbevren_ | # ls |
| 15:03.33 | jbevren_ | beep device modalias phys uevent |
| 15:03.33 | jbevren_ | capabilities id name subsystem uniq |
| 15:03.33 | jbevren_ | # |
| 15:04.20 | prpplague | jbevren: what directory? |
| 15:04.22 | jbevren_ | the driver seems to have go tmy 4096 tho |
| 15:04.33 | jbevren_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.41 | jbevren_ | no input1 dir exists |
| 15:04.50 | jbevren_ | # cat name |
| 15:04.51 | jbevren_ | TCT Hammer beeper |
| 15:05.00 | prpplague | uh thats odd |
| 15:05.12 | jbevren_ | reboot? heh |
| 15:05.23 | prpplague | sounds like you have an old kernel loaded |
| 15:05.39 | jbevren_ | 2.6.22 build 32 |
| 15:05.42 | jbevren_ | aug 21 |
| 15:07.40 | jbevren_ | I'll have to xmodem one in I guess :) |
| 15:07.45 | prpplague | yea thats an old build |
| 15:07.52 | prpplague | wonder how that happened |
| 15:08.07 | prpplague | jbevren_: let me email you a zImag |
| 15:08.09 | prpplague | jbevren_: let me email you a zImage |
| 15:08.14 | jbevren_ | ok |
| 15:08.22 | jbevren_ | same RD then I assume |
| 15:08.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:08.29 | prpplague | should be |
| 15:08.40 | jbevren_ | ok since the beeper driver's broken, how about the LED :) |
| 15:08.52 | prpplague | jbevren_ the leds should be there in that version |
| 15:09.01 | prpplague | jbevren_ /sys/class/leds/led0 and led1 |
| 15:09.04 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 15:09.14 | prpplague | jbevren_: echo 0 or 1 to brigthness |
| 15:10.06 | jbevren_ | button? :) |
| 15:10.12 | jbevren_ | then I'll be done pestering you |
| 15:10.18 | jbevren_ | hehe |
| 15:10.30 | prpplague | the button is the input that is missing |
| 15:10.35 | jbevren_ | ah ok |
| 15:10.40 | jbevren_ | no probs |
| 15:11.36 | prpplague | jbevren_: zimage otw |
| 15:11.46 | prpplague | jbevren_: boot up to the boot loader |
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| 15:11.59 | prpplague | jbevren_: then do: xreceive 0x30008000 |
| 15:12.08 | prpplague | jbevren_: send the zImage via xmodem |
| 15:12.24 | prpplague | jbevren_: to save the image do: erase nor:256k+768k |
| 15:12.42 | prpplague | jbevren_: then: copy 0x30008000+768k nor:256k |
| 15:14.15 | jbevren_ | downloading |
| 15:14.20 | jbevren_ | I use pine on a remote box hehe |
| 15:14.50 | jbevren_ | can I boot the kernel before flashing it? |
| 15:15.14 | jbevren_ | looks like it :) |
| 15:20.27 | jbevren_ | you know what would rock? not loading the new kernel over the ramdisk imgae in ram :) |
| 15:20.37 | jbevren_ | see this is why I try before flashign ) |
| 15:20.39 | jbevren_ | lol |
| 15:20.50 | jbevren_ | I'd have bombed my ramdisk |
| 15:24.10 | jbevren_ | success thanks ) |
| 15:25.48 | CosmicPenguin | bah - only newbies need ramdisks |
| 15:26.04 | jbevren_ | heh |
| 15:26.08 | jbevren_ | jffs2 root ftw |
| 15:26.10 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 15:27.04 | CosmicPenguin | userland is for the weak |
| 15:27.44 | jbevren_ | Monolithic user environment and kernel package eh? |
| 15:27.45 | jbevren_ | :) |
| 15:27.50 | CosmicPenguin | actually, I don't believe that one bit, I'm a microkernel guy |
| 15:29.10 | jbevren_ | frequency doesant change but amplitude does |
| 15:29.13 | jbevren_ | good enough for me :) |
| 15:29.38 | jbevren_ | ok I need to scat. Thanks for the kernel update :) |
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| 15:45.12 | SpaceMonkey | greetings folks, I have got yet another new toy. |
| 15:45.59 | SpaceMonkey | an AIPTEK (yes quality brand) My Note 'pad'. Its quite a cool piece of kit and functions as a regular graphics tablet when plugged in via usb (not to mention a mass storage device as well with 32mb) |
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| 15:49.49 | SpaceMonkey | at some point I will see if it acts as a SD/MMC card reader when its plugged into USB. I also wonder if it is compatible with other aiptek pressure sensor stylii, the drivers siggest it is. |
| 15:50.20 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: what item is that? |
| 15:51.21 | SpaceMonkey | gm prplague, havent spoken for a while, I hope your immigration woes are all sorted! |
| 15:51.24 | SpaceMonkey | <SpaceMonkey> greetings folks, I have got yet another new toy. |
| 15:51.24 | SpaceMonkey | <SpaceMonkey> an AIPTEK (yes quality brand) My Note 'pad'. Its quite a cool piece of kit and functions as a regular graphics tablet when plugged in via usb (not to mention a mass storage device as well with 32mb) |
| 15:51.54 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: interesting |
| 15:52.01 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: started a elinux wiki page yet? |
| 15:52.21 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: yea, my wife was able to come to the US back at the end of june, she got her greencard |
| 15:52.22 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: I did a bunch on the Davinci |
| 15:52.34 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: sorry i ment on the aiptek pad |
| 15:53.02 | prpplague | jbevren_: you get your zImage loaded? |
| 15:53.03 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: Im not sure whats running on the pad yet. only got it today, I need to wait at least 4 hours before I start ripping into it :) |
| 15:53.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:53.34 | prpplague | SpaceMonkey: start with a good chip list |
| 15:53.47 | SpaceMonkey | prpplague: this would be awesome though if one connected a USB enabled linux dongle onto its port |
| 15:54.01 | SpaceMonkey | would make a neat input into such a thing |
| 15:56.40 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 17:06.06 | Exiles | morning |
| 17:09.48 | Exiles | I'm awake now |
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| 17:15.04 | T0mW | prpplague: hello |
| 17:16.39 | chouimat | hi T0mW |
| 17:16.56 | T0mW | chouimat: good morning! |
| 17:19.06 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 17:19.13 | prpplague | T0mW: you find you problem with the hammer? |
| 17:19.23 | T0mW | prpplague: just getting openOCD running |
| 17:19.31 | prpplague | T0mW: okie dokie |
| 17:19.36 | prpplague | T0mW: lets do a little check |
| 17:19.48 | prpplague | T0mW: lets make sure that the cpu board is in correctly first |
| 17:19.58 | prpplague | the jtag header goes towards the serial port |
| 17:20.07 | T0mW | prpplague: yup |
| 17:20.19 | T0mW | prpplague: 12mhz osc is running |
| 17:20.31 | prpplague | T0mW: so all you did was take the cpu board out, put it back in and it no longer came up to a console? |
| 17:21.08 | prpplague | T0mW: you getting 3.3v output from the main cpu board? |
| 17:21.37 | T0mW | prpplague: correct. I gently pried the end nearest the SD slot up about 1mm, then pried the jtag side up slightly and it popped right out. |
| 17:22.27 | T0mW | prpplague: then, I picked the board up, looked it over under magnifier lamp, said ok, then put it back in and then plugged power back in. |
| 17:22.36 | T0mW | prpplague: and ... it played dead. |
| 17:22.52 | T0mW | prpplague: so, I figure that I needed to get jtag working to see if it was "alive" |
| 17:23.21 | T0mW | prpplague: that is where I am at now, installing libftd2xxx and openOCD onto the one box here |
| 17:24.19 | T0mW | prpplague: uh, "./configure --enable-ft2232-ftd2xxx", correct? |
| 17:30.34 | T0mW | heh, had to follow my own "notes" on the openhardware website to build openOCD |
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| 17:37.54 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:39.08 | T0mW | prpplague: everybody is installed, connected, now: cd /media/cdrom ; ./openocd --file hammer.ocd |
| 17:39.43 | T0mW | err, s/hammer.ocd/hammer.cfg |
| 17:40.20 | prpplague | T0mW: you might want to copy that file and then edit it |
| 17:40.30 | T0mW | uhhuh, just saw that |
| 17:40.34 | prpplague | T0mW: it automatical startes a script to flash a new bootloader |
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| 17:44.53 | prpplague | T0mW: any progress? |
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| 17:47.44 | Exiles | with the worms and crab and fish fish and algree and shrimp |
| 17:48.02 | Exiles | fish food* |
| 17:51.16 | T0mW | prpplague: Info: openocd.c:82 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2006-09-07 20:00 CEST) |
| 17:51.16 | T0mW | Error: ft2232.c:967 ft2232_init(): No matching layout found for flyswatter |
| 17:51.55 | prpplague | odd |
| 17:53.12 | Exiles | yeah, I think thats the error I got aswell, |
| 17:54.13 | prpplague | hmm, something not right, give me a second |
| 17:55.08 | Exiles | yep, same error, using the binarys right off the disk |
| 17:55.42 | prpplague | that should be correct |
| 17:55.48 | T0mW | prpplague: no reason not to use the latest openOCD + libftd2xx is there? I can compile from source so... |
| 17:56.09 | prpplague | T0mW: that is the latest svn of openocd |
| 17:56.23 | prpplague | T0mW: i think there is a newer libftd2xx , iirc 0.8 |
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| 17:56.31 | prpplague | T0mW: but there is something else |
| 17:56.37 | T0mW | IIRC, 4.13 is latest libftd2xx? |
| 18:05.46 | prpplague | T0mW: looks like something got hosed from the cvs export |
| 18:05.59 | prpplague | T0mW: you were able to run the bootstrap ok? |
| 18:07.40 | Exiles | easy to fix? |
| 18:07.58 | Exiles | or complex fix |
| 18:08.27 | T0mW | prpplague: building new stuff from scratch, bbiab |
| 18:09.01 | prpplague | T0mW: okie dokie i am as well |
| 18:14.28 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, appears to be working now |
| 18:14.37 | T0mW | prpplague: flyswatter that is |
| 18:14.49 | prpplague | T0mW: you did a fresh svn pull and it works ok? |
| 18:15.14 | T0mW | prpplague: yes, and I also am using libftd2xx version 4.13 |
| 18:15.40 | T0mW | hmmm, shouldn't take this long to flash |
| 18:15.45 | prpplague | T0mW: good deal |
| 18:15.52 | prpplague | T0mW: please post the info on the wiki |
| 18:17.41 | prpplague | my automake is giving me trouble |
| 18:19.17 | Exiles | hmmmm, need to figure out how to add and compile modules for this kernel |
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| 18:19.53 | prpplague | Exiles: there is a good article on lwn.net for 2.6. kernel module builts |
| 18:19.55 | prpplague | builds |
| 18:20.08 | prpplague | Exiles: i assume you mean an external module from the main kernel build |
| 18:20.28 | Exiles | yeah, I need to get networking support working |
| 18:20.29 | prpplague | T0mW: you got it to flash ok with the script? |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | > poll |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | target state: running |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | > reset init |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | > reset halt |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | > poll |
| 18:20.41 | T0mW | target state: running |
| 18:20.49 | T0mW | prpplague: es ist tot |
| 18:20.56 | prpplague | T0mW: what? |
| 18:21.02 | T0mW | tot == dead |
| 18:21.22 | prpplague | T0mW: no way |
| 18:22.07 | Exiles | I see the kernel lacks it, but the root image I'm looked at has it, I've been playing in the root image seeing as it's an ext2 image. |
| 18:22.42 | prpplague | Exiles: correct, i'm changing the bootload/kernel/ramdisk for networking now |
| 18:23.02 | T0mW | prpplague: I commented out the last few lines of the hammer.ocd file, from "Flash probe" downward. Then ran "openocd --file hammer.cfg", then "telnet localhost 4444" |
| 18:23.13 | Exiles | I'm going to see if I can set mdiv to 125 pdiv to 1 and leave sdiv alone |
| 18:23.28 | prpplague | Exiles: why? |
| 18:23.41 | Exiles | because people will in the real world |
| 18:23.43 | T0mW | prpplague: would you like a shell account on that box? |
| 18:23.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, let me do a couple of checks |
| 18:24.06 | prpplague | Exiles: why would they do that? |
| 18:24.23 | T0mW | prpplague: send me a dsa/rsa id_xxx.pub file and I'll set you up |
| 18:24.32 | Exiles | they underspeced what they needed and are going to force the cpu to work faster |
| 18:24.47 | prpplague | Exiles: uh |
| 18:24.52 | T0mW | prpplague: no password, I have them disabled in sshd |
| 18:25.08 | prpplague | Exiles: you are going to alter alot of other values |
| 18:25.57 | Exiles | hmmm, your right |
| 18:27.07 | prpplague | T0mW: otw |
| 18:27.48 | T0mW | prpplague: hold on thare, no +3.3v at the prototyping area... |
| 18:28.45 | prpplague | T0mW: using the right wall-wort? |
| 18:28.49 | prpplague | T0mW: 9v |
| 18:29.42 | T0mW | prpplague: ha! nm, the one GND pad is not connected anywhere. it is the pad next to the USB host connector, that GND is floating |
| 18:30.23 | prpplague | T0mW: check the +5v-in and then check the +3.3v-out near the main cpu board |
| 18:31.04 | prpplague | T0mW: which pad is that? |
| 18:31.14 | ds2 | the docs on how to compile an external module is in Documentation/kconfig/* |
| 18:31.50 | prpplague | yea he really doesn't need to compile an external module, just enable the options in the main tree and compile from there |
| 18:32.09 | T0mW | prpplague: 3.3v out on hammer itself is ok |
| 18:32.20 | prpplague | T0mW: and the 5v in? |
| 18:33.11 | T0mW | prpplague: fine |
| 18:33.15 | prpplague | interesting |
| 18:33.20 | T0mW | prpplague: checking 1v8 now |
| 18:34.16 | prpplague | T0mW: generally openocd won't start up if the jtag isn't talking to the cpu |
| 18:34.33 | prpplague | T0mW: which makes me kind think maybe it might be the reset button |
| 18:35.05 | prpplague | T0mW: change you check the status of nRESET ? |
| 18:39.30 | T0mW | prpplague: board is being held in RESET |
| 18:40.44 | prpplague | T0mW: is the jtag connected? |
| 18:41.09 | prpplague | T0mW: if so disconnect the jtag and retest |
| 18:41.30 | T0mW | prpplague: datasheet for: ncp303lsn30 (reset chip)? or Manufacturer? |
| 18:42.58 | T0mW | prpplague: suggestion: put all IC datasheets in /docs dir of cdrom |
| 18:44.18 | T0mW | found it |
| 18:45.15 | prpplague | T0mW: i have the basic chips, we generally would not expect the end user to debug the reset chip |
| 18:45.38 | Exiles | brb need to reboot |
| 18:46.09 | prpplague | T0mW: is the jtag plugged in? |
| 18:46.40 | T0mW | prpplague: no |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, and you checked the reset button to make sure it isn't shorted? |
| 18:47.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i.e. power off remove the cpu board, and ohm it out? |
| 18:47.33 | T0mW | prpplague: something is sucking the RESET line low. I put a 3.3K to 3v3 and all I get is 0.19 volts on nRESET. That is a bad short / heavy load |
| 18:47.41 | T0mW | prpplague: not shorted |
| 18:48.11 | prpplague | T0mW: one sec |
| 18:48.27 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm thinking that the reset chip is bad, I'll get the microscope out later and lift that opencollector output from the PCB |
| 18:52.22 | T0mW | prpplague: pin 5 of U6 (discharge capacitor) is at 0.0v, this is convincing the device output nRESET |
| 18:53.14 | T0mW | prpplague: I think I found it |
| 18:55.09 | ds2 | you got some very well equipped testers there |
| 18:56.15 | prpplague | ds2: ye |
| 18:56.17 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:56.20 | T0mW | prpplague: c6 is bad, I may have done that when I first tried to lift (pry) that end of the board up. It did not move easily, and I realised that I may damage something on the underside. That is when I looked and saw the two Tantalum caps and used them as the prying surface |
| 18:57.25 | prpplague | T0mW: okie dokie you gonna be able to replace that? |
| 18:57.50 | prpplague | T0mW: i figured you'd have 603's |
| 18:57.52 | T0mW | prpplague: you may want to move one/both of those tantalums toward that edge so that people have something to pry against to remove the Hammer board from a socket? --OR-- put a spot of epoxy on the shorter board edges to protect the electronics in that area for when they pry the board out? |
| 18:58.21 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, or use a zif socket on the carrier board |
| 18:59.16 | T0mW | prpplague: I have 0805s, I cracked off part of that 0603 cap and tore 3/4 of the one trace away. But, the two feed throughs look like an 0805 will fit across them. |
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| 18:59.45 | T0mW | prpplague: no, if you sell to anyone, they aren't into the cost of a zif socket ($$$) |
| 19:00.12 | prpplague | T0mW: yea we can get some cheapies from china |
| 19:00.16 | T0mW | I have to be somewhere in 5 minutes. :-( bbl |
| 19:00.30 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: ok, let me know when you got your board fixed |
| 19:00.34 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: drop me an email |
| 19:03.26 | Exiles | back |
| 19:03.30 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: the other thing that you may want to do which may be simpler is to make the board longer by 0.150" at each end so that there is a 'prying zone'? |
| 19:05.24 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: yea, hard to make changes to the board when you have 5000 pcbs already completed |
| 19:07.39 | Exiles | yeah |
| 19:14.44 | prpplague | Exiles: should be able to post some new configuration stuff tomorrow which will include networking |
| 19:14.54 | Exiles | cool, can't wait |
| 19:15.17 | prpplague | thats kinda the reason we were doing the beta, to find out what kind of issues people will have |
| 19:15.40 | Exiles | dosn't bother me |
| 19:15.57 | Exiles | I finally have a arm development board to work with |
| 19:16.09 | Exiles | something I've been wanting for awhile |
| 19:16.45 | ds2 | doesn't the juicebox count? |
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| 19:22.37 | Exiles | prpplague, have you fixed the rx/tx not being connected on the pinout on the carrier baord? |
| 19:23.28 | Exiles | along with the gnd near the usb |
| 19:29.50 | prpplague | Exiles: sorry, not sure i know what you are refering to |
| 19:30.53 | Exiles | on the carrier baod in the developmeant area |
| 19:31.03 | prpplague | yes? |
| 19:31.31 | Exiles | you have gnd rxd2 txd2 rxd1 txd1 gnd |
| 19:31.51 | prpplague | yea? |
| 19:31.54 | Exiles | have you connected the serial pins there? |
| 19:32.15 | prpplague | Exiles: no, those are labeled just for connectivity if needed |
| 19:32.24 | Exiles | ok |
| 19:32.27 | prpplague | Exiles: are you saying you would expect those to be connected? |
| 19:32.34 | Exiles | yes |
| 19:32.48 | Exiles | I would |
| 19:33.22 | prpplague | okie i'll make a note to look at that |
| 19:34.17 | Exiles | and on the other end, next to the IIC bus, you have a GND thats unconnected, and a extra 3.3v thats not labeled |
| 19:36.01 | prpplague | Exiles: noted |
| 19:37.03 | Exiles | otherwise, everything looks connected |
| 19:37.08 | Exiles | and labeled |
| 19:44.02 | prpplague | lovely |
| 19:44.38 | Exiles | yeah? |
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| 20:03.19 | chouimat | this is pissing me off |
| 20:04.01 | Exiles | okay, ordered some pin headers from samtech |
| 20:04.20 | Exiles | samtec* |
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| 20:23.26 | prpplague | Exiles: what type of pin headers? |
| 20:24.33 | Exiles | gold plated |
| 20:24.48 | Exiles | wirewrap capable |
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| 20:36.25 | prpplague | Exiles: ahh |
| 20:36.56 | Exiles | figired that would be best for multiple projects |
| 20:37.37 | prpplague | Exiles: txd1/rxd1 was suppose to be txd0/rxd0 and connected |
| 20:37.56 | prpplague | Exiles: txd2/rxd2 was supposed to be connected as well |
| 20:38.54 | Exiles | well, thats what testers are for right? |
| 20:39.12 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 20:39.24 | prpplague | Exiles: indeed |
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| 20:50.58 | T0mW | prpplague: "Welcome to the TinCanTools Hammer development environment." |
| 20:51.01 | T0mW | prpplague: boots now |
| 20:53.01 | Exiles | cool tom |
| 20:54.25 | T0mW | that Hammer board is almost too tiny to hold onto, peer into the microsope, then hold the cap, AND try to touch it with an iron! heh |
| 20:55.06 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave! You have to make the board bigger, BIGGER! ;-) |
| 20:55.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 20:55.26 | prpplague | T0mW: maybe you should wait for the sledge hammer |
| 20:55.44 | prpplague | T0mW: the sledge hammer is a rework of the 80-pin board i sent you |
| 20:55.48 | T0mW | my PCB "corrector" |
| 20:55.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:56.31 | T0mW | prpplague: you have schematic on that SODIMM board? I know you gave me them at one time, but... |
| 20:56.35 | Exiles | what did you need to do with it? |
| 20:56.45 | ds2 | sledge hammer is the one that has the power management + 2AA support, right? |
| 20:57.15 | prpplague | ds2: bigger board with more i/o, not nessarily the 2AA support |
| 20:57.22 | T0mW | prpplague: you ought to call this board: Tack Hammer |
| 20:57.39 | prpplague | ds2: that was going to a low power version of the Hammer |
| 20:58.04 | ds2 | prpplague: oh so for low power, it will be the next rev/gen of hammer, not sledge? |
| 20:58.25 | T0mW | prpplague: then the "standard", mid-size board the "Ballpeen Hammer" |
| 21:00.31 | prpplague | ds2: the sledge has low power support, i.e. it only needs 3.3v input |
| 21:00.45 | prpplague | ds2: you'd need to provide a regulated 3.3v |
| 21:01.14 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 21:01.39 | prpplague | guess i should have resized that |
| 21:02.32 | prpplague | ds2: have a look at that |
| 21:05.50 | ds2 | prpplague: what's the socket? RS-MMC or ? |
| 21:06.18 | prpplague | sd/mmc |
| 21:06.21 | prpplague | standard socket |
| 21:06.57 | ds2 | wonder what's the G rating on one of those... been meaning to design some smarts for a model rocket |
| 21:07.07 | prpplague | hehe no idea |
| 21:08.04 | CosmicPenguin | you didn't test the G rating? |
| 21:08.04 | CosmicPenguin | what sort of second rate shop are we talking about here? |
| 21:08.04 | ds2 | prpplague: will the shipping boards come with a JTAG debugger? |
| 21:08.59 | prpplague | ds2: i am sorry i did not understand your question |
| 21:09.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:09.23 | ds2 | prpplague: is the debugging included with the board post beta |
| 21:09.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you don't know if michael opdenacker is on irc? |
| 21:09.48 | CosmicPenguin | I don't |
| 21:09.58 | ds2 | debugger |
| 21:09.58 | CosmicPenguin | I would assume he is - most redhaters are |
| 21:10.00 | prpplague | ds2: it is included with the "starter kit" which will retail for $229 |
| 21:10.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 21:10.08 | ds2 | ah |
| 21:10.31 | ds2 | prpplague: so for debugging, it would $159 + $229? |
| 21:10.42 | Crofton|home | prpplague, I think he is talking about launching a hammer board in a rocker |
| 21:10.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he's been posting alot of linux-tiny stuff on elinux |
| 21:10.59 | prpplague | Crofton|home: yea i know |
| 21:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | good - I support linux-tiny |
| 21:12.00 | prpplague | ds2: the "starter kit" is what the beta testers got: wall-wart, usb cable, rs-232 cable, flyswatter jtag, carrier board, hammer board |
| 21:12.18 | ds2 | Ohhh that 229 includes the board, gotcha |
| 21:12.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i was hoping to get intouch with him and see if he was interested in a hammer board |
| 21:12.23 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
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| 21:33.05 | T0mW | I cannot make a menu in wiki? |
| 21:33.29 | T0mW | I tried to put a menu in the Hammer_Board page, but, it doesn' |
| 21:33.35 | T0mW | t show up |
| 21:34.02 | T0mW | bah |
| 21:34.30 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: a menu? |
| 21:34.36 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: what kind of menu? |
| 21:44.27 | ds2 | it is really annoying when adding printk's fixes a problem |
| 21:48.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:56.21 | prpplague | jbevren_: you alive yet? |
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| 22:26.25 | Exiles | hmmm, I need to add a few things to the board, but I think it will work |
| 22:26.43 | Exiles | needs more power too |
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| 22:36.15 | jarl | hello. odd question perhaps, but does anyone here have a 5,25' or 8'-diskdrive connected to the computer? |
| 22:37.22 | ds2 | that's a very large drive |
| 22:37.35 | jarl | indeed |
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| 22:40.38 | ds2 | don't think I've seen anyone make an 8' drive |
| 22:42.14 | Exiles | I have a 5 1/4 drive laying about |
| 22:42.30 | Exiles | with a 3 1/3 drive built into it |
| 22:42.39 | Exiles | 3 1/2* |
| 22:44.58 | ds2 | most people have 5.25" drives |
| 22:45.10 | ds2 | I have not seen a 5.25' drive! |
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| 23:04.24 | GPSFan_770 | T0mW, did you figure out what happened to your hmmer? |
| 23:05.01 | T0mW | GPSFan_770: yes, I smashed a cap (C6) under the board when I pried the board from the socket |
| 23:05.21 | GPSFan_770 | ah,yuo fix it? |
| 23:05.24 | MonMotha | yea I get to hack on buildroot |
| 23:05.27 | T0mW | GPSFan_770: the cap is the discharge timer for the RESET. |
| 23:05.36 | T0mW | GPSFan_770: yes, I have "microscope"! |
| 23:05.51 | GPSFan_770 | ;>) |
| 23:05.55 | T0mW | ~lart MonMotha for just being |
| 23:05.55 | purl | takes a big bite out of MonMotha's jugular vein for just being |
| 23:06.24 | T0mW | MonMotha: so, wanker, anybody hire you yet? |
| 23:06.25 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:07.01 | GPSFan_770 | T0mW, good, any other issues? |
| 23:07.28 | T0mW | GPSFan_770: only the the wiki seems to support one page for the Hammer, no. |
| 23:07.44 | MonMotha | T0mW: I've had a job for the past two months |
| 23:07.52 | MonMotha | http://www.forwardengineering.com |
| 23:08.00 | MonMotha | I'm their hardware guy, but I do software when needed, as well |
| 23:08.10 | T0mW | MonMotha: heh, fooled them into giving you a shot, eh? |
| 23:08.43 | T0mW | MonMotha: getting them to pay you money is a "good thing" |
| 23:09.03 | T0mW | MonMotha: don't let them know that you'd work for free just to play with stuff |
| 23:09.16 | T0mW | :P |
| 23:10.28 | MonMotha | I think they're well aware of that, actually |
| 23:10.36 | MonMotha | in fact, that pretty much describes everybody at the company |
| 23:10.51 | MonMotha | but you know, it's hard to get by without $$$ |
| 23:11.40 | T0mW | MonMotha: having to beg on the street to pay your rent would detract from time on the job |
| 23:11.57 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 23:12.22 | T0mW | MonMotha: now you can bitch about the "idiots I work for" |
| 23:12.52 | T0mW | MonMotha: I work for a really dense idiot, myself |
| 23:15.15 | Exiles | I work for a shoul of fish |
| 23:16.50 | Exiles | who demand I go buy a new relay for their tank today |
| 23:18.08 | Exiles | shoal* |
| 23:24.32 | MonMotha | T0mW: I see.. |
| 23:24.53 | MonMotha | T0mW: also, do you know any place that will do low-volume/quickturn protos of 8-layer boards with 8/18 vias and 4/4 trace/space? |
| 23:25.40 | T0mW | MonMotha: no, I have succeeded in staying away from multi-layer boards. |
| 23:26.02 | MonMotha | oh, wow |
| 23:26.04 | MonMotha | how? |
| 23:26.14 | MonMotha | most BGAs are simply IMPOSSIBLE on a 2 layer |
| 23:26.37 | Exiles | yeah I want to use my bga chip |
| 23:26.38 | T0mW | MonMotha: ask prpplague, his hammer board sounds like the technology you want to use. He should know, IIRC, he did go with Advanced Circuits |
| 23:26.51 | Exiles | 560 pin |
| 23:26.59 | MonMotha | advanced circuits insists they cannot do this, and prpplague said he used some other place for that board |
| 23:27.05 | T0mW | ok |
| 23:27.30 | MonMotha | the issue is just bringing out the BGA |
| 23:27.39 | T0mW | always |
| 23:27.39 | Exiles | maybe wiser to sell these xcv1000's |
| 23:27.39 | MonMotha | the rest I could easily do on 6/6 (and possibly up to 8/8) if I had to |
| 23:27.49 | MonMotha | Exiles: oh, those are easy to bring out |
| 23:27.51 | MonMotha | they're 1mm |
| 23:27.58 | MonMotha | you can do 10/20 vias and 8/8 trace/space IIRC |
| 23:28.06 | MonMotha | and it's only 4 rows, so you can, ni theory, do it on a 2 layer |
| 23:28.18 | MonMotha | though getting power/ground and everything will probably necessitate a 4 layer |
| 23:28.42 | MonMotha | my bad |
| 23:28.43 | Exiles | 5 rows |
| 23:28.44 | MonMotha | it's 5 rows |
| 23:28.49 | MonMotha | so you need a 3rd layer |
| 23:28.50 | T0mW | heh, from the Register: "China slaps ban on reincarnation, Tibetan monks must seek permission for rebirth" |
| 23:29.06 | MonMotha | and the 4th generally comes free at that point, so you have a ground plane |
| 23:29.08 | Exiles | I have 4 of them |
| 23:29.20 | MonMotha | fortunately for you, you won't need more than 4 in most cases since the Virtex series has fairly flexible I/O |
| 23:29.41 | Exiles | they were given to me |
| 23:29.50 | MonMotha | mine was free |
| 23:29.53 | MonMotha | it says XUP on it :) |
| 23:30.04 | MonMotha | (Xilinx University Program) |
| 23:30.27 | Exiles | as do mine |
| 23:31.04 | MonMotha | then they're technically not for resale |
| 23:31.54 | Exiles | I didn't know they marked the chips till now |
| 23:32.39 | Exiles | heh |
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| 23:43.38 | ds2 | i wonder how many universities have access to bga assembly |
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| 23:52.11 | Exiles | not many |
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| 23:57.01 | MonMotha | ds2: I'm guessing most send things out and have them assembled and shipped back |
| 23:58.08 | Exiles | the school i went to eaily coul |
| 23:58.19 | Exiles | they even had xray machines |
| 23:58.49 | Exiles | cause of the medical students |