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| 00:02.21 | CosmicPenguin | Every second that passes by, there is less I understand about how Ubuntu really works |
| 00:33.27 | prpplague | s/ubuntu/anything |
| 00:43.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: so far I really like the form factor Except for the jtag connector. It jsut doesn't fit with the rest fo the design. I don't know how you could have done it too much differently. |
| 00:45.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: The carrier board might benefit from a swithching regulator for the 5V and maybe the aux 3.3V. as is I will have to add something for the ethernet, lest U2 goes up in smoke. ;>( |
| 00:46.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: give me till Tues to get the buildroot & othe software running. I really haven't had more than a few hours pokeing at it. |
| 00:47.33 | GPSFan | prpplague: I had a big power supply crap out just before I left and I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with it too. such is life... |
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| 08:19.47 | Spacemonkey | has anoyone seen this? http://www.bibi.org/box/archives/2007/04/vilcus_plug_dactyloadapte.html |
| 08:20.51 | Spacemonkey | Im sure it must be a cigar lighter adaptor, but thats not what the web is saying! |
| 08:22.52 | Exiles | ever see a eur outlet? |
| 08:24.41 | Spacemonkey | yes, of course. |
| 08:25.41 | Spacemonkey | its got to be a production prototype they didnt use so just set it up as a hoax. |
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| 11:04.29 | jbevren | http://www.hvsistemas.es/en/prod/H8606.html |
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| 13:13.32 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:13.35 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 13:14.43 | prpplague | samrobb: greetings |
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| 13:33.33 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 13:35.13 | prpplague | wmat: hey, you guys get access to elinux squared away? |
| 13:35.41 | prpplague | wmat: http://moin.elinux.org/wiki/EzUsb appears to be missing from the new wiki |
| 13:36.55 | wmat | prpplague: not yet, although i have that as 5th on my list of todos today |
| 13:37.47 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 13:37.53 | prpplague | wmat: it has me worried |
| 13:38.22 | wmat | prpplague: don't worry, i'm giving movial one more week before I move it elsewhere |
| 13:40.10 | prpplague | ok |
| 13:52.39 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:07.48 | prpplague | jbevren_ / GPSFan / samrobb any hammer feedback today? |
| 14:11.13 | jbevren_ | none. I'm packing stuff up to leave my friend's place and go back home :) |
| 14:12.32 | prpplague | jbevren: doh |
| 14:22.55 | prpplague | cbrake: greetings earthling |
| 14:23.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: got my big power supply debugged, so now I can do hammer stuff ;>) (shorted transformer primary) |
| 14:23.32 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:23.49 | cbrake | prpplague: hey Dave |
| 14:23.49 | samrobb | prpplague: Morning :-) |
| 14:24.08 | cbrake | prpplague: I see you Hammer stuff is generating some buzz :-) |
| 14:24.26 | prpplague | cbrake: trying to get some buzz going |
| 14:24.34 | samrobb | Had a chance to play with the hammer last night. Got some notes to go along with it. |
| 14:24.37 | prpplague | cbrake: you heard some buzz somewhere other than on #edev? |
| 14:24.44 | cbrake | prpplague: just #oe |
| 14:24.44 | prpplague | samrobb: good deal |
| 14:24.49 | samrobb | Plus questions, of course :-) |
| 14:24.52 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh |
| 14:24.56 | prpplague | samrobb: great! |
| 14:25.03 | prpplague | samrobb: you registered at elinux.org ? |
| 14:25.37 | samrobb | prpplague: Yep. |
| 14:25.41 | samrobb | On the wiki, at least. |
| 14:25.43 | prpplague | samrobb: good deal |
| 14:25.51 | prpplague | samrobb: yea thats all ya need |
| 14:25.56 | cbrake | prpplague: of course if I had one, I would probably have to blog about it ;-) |
| 14:26.10 | samrobb | Got it booting, poked around a bit, then unpacked buildroot and let it go off to build a toolchain. |
| 14:26.11 | prpplague | cbrake: hehe |
| 14:26.29 | prpplague | samrobb: yea, we are still tweaking some of the buildroot stuff |
| 14:26.35 | samrobb | Gotta head in to work now - I'll hit you up with some questions later. Do you prefer IRC or email? |
| 14:26.56 | prpplague | samrobb: i prefer irc, but if i'm not online just drop me an email danders@amltd.com |
| 14:27.46 | samrobb | OK, no - I'll catch up with you later, then. |
| 14:27.51 | prpplague | cbrake: you are in the US right? |
| 14:28.02 | cbrake | prpplague: yes, OH of all places |
| 14:28.07 | prpplague | samrobb: good deal |
| 14:28.09 | prpplague | samrobb: thanks |
| 14:28.32 | prpplague | cbrake: hehe, yea, i'll see about getting you a beta if possible, just didn't know you were available to hack on it |
| 14:28.49 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 14:29.00 | cbrake | prpplague: yes, I would be interesting in working on the OE support |
| 14:29.54 | jbevren | s |
| 14:30.14 | jbevren | ok so Ive told windows to shut down 30 times now |
| 14:30.18 | jbevren | its doing nothing |
| 14:30.30 | jbevren | ciao |
| 14:31.45 | chouimat | hehe |
| 14:32.03 | cbrake | prpplague: getting hammer listed in: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine would be good publicity |
| 14:33.20 | cbrake | seems like it would be effort much better spent rather than shipping old, crusty, hacked up "BSPs" |
| 14:33.50 | koen | cbrake: I'm trading a hammer for OE support with prpplague :) |
| 14:33.59 | cbrake | koen: excellent :-) |
| 14:59.39 | MothaWork | bah, why can't buildroot have support for directfb GTK already? |
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| 15:50.04 | prpplague | cbrake: mainly because most business don't want to deal with the BS involved in community projects like OE |
| 15:50.58 | agaffney | there's BS involved in community projects? unpossible! |
| 15:51.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:51.42 | chouimat | agaffney: and there a lot of BS in business too ;) |
| 15:51.47 | prpplague | i have to work very hard to justify spending time to push our patches back into the main tree |
| 15:51.52 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:54.01 | prpplague | cbrake: you don't have to spend ages debating with OE people to accept patches when you can do a BSP |
| 15:54.07 | prpplague | cbrake: or buildroot for that matter |
| 15:54.30 | cbrake | prpplague: its pretty easy to get things into OE in my experience. |
| 15:54.53 | prpplague | cbrake: what's needed for business implementation of BSP doesn't always sit well with a lot of OSS people |
| 15:55.00 | cbrake | prpplague: its not like a machine.conf file is going to hurt anything else in the project. |
| 15:55.29 | prpplague | cbrake: indeed, but someone does have to prepare and send it in |
| 15:55.42 | prpplague | cbrake: kernel space patches are even worse |
| 15:55.51 | cbrake | prpplague: I agree on the kernel side. |
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| 15:56.38 | cbrake | prpplague: but, it is easy to manage kernel and uboot patches in OE, and for one-off stuff it does not make sense to push things into the kernel |
| 15:57.13 | cbrake | prpplague: and, you have two devs interesting in pushing hammer support into OE with no effort on your part :-) |
| 15:57.48 | prpplague | cbrake: yea, for us it makes sense on the Hammer, but the other 200+ products that we have linux running on, it doesn't |
| 16:21.36 | samuelr | prpplague: Some questions for you on hammer. |
| 16:21.44 | prpplague | samuelr: shoot |
| 16:22.02 | samuelr | prpplague: What's the recommended way to push something out to the board? |
| 16:22.22 | samuelr | I didn't see any file xfer utils in the rootfs. |
| 16:22.54 | samuelr | Are you expecting folks to use a CF card? |
| 16:23.27 | samuelr | Or should I be looking at using NFS to mount an export from my dev host? |
| 16:24.13 | prpplague | samuelr: yea, initial stuff should be just using rz/sz |
| 16:24.20 | prpplague | samuelr: via the rs-232 |
| 16:24.47 | prpplague | samuelr: the next root build will have all the standard network utilities such as ftpput and ftpget |
| 16:25.29 | prpplague | samuelr: the other method is to use a standard thumb drive or usb mass storage |
| 16:25.58 | prpplague | samuelr: i've not completed the sd/mmc driver for proper usage of the spi->sd/mmc |
| 16:28.56 | MothaWork | ok, so evidently nobody using buildroot actually cross compiles tinyx |
| 16:28.59 | samuelr | prpplague: OK, no problem. I've got a thumb drive hanging around, I'll give that a shot. |
| 16:29.28 | samuelr | prpplague: Couple of minor comments: |
| 16:29.56 | prpplague | samuelr: go for it |
| 16:30.50 | samuelr | * Had to mount the rootfs and grunge around to find the serial line baud rate |
| 16:31.11 | prpplague | samuelr: yea, we gotta get that posted |
| 16:31.37 | CosmicPenguin | xmodem for the win! |
| 16:31.50 | samuelr | * Didn't initially realize that I needed to "cp Hammer-config .config" for buildroot |
| 16:32.18 | samuelr | (ended up building an i386 toolchain 'cause it was late at night and I missed the obvious) |
| 16:33.00 | prpplague | samuelr: ahh gotcha |
| 16:33.28 | samuelr | * Once past the .config issue, the arm toolchain built fine, but there's a couple of broken symlinks because arm-linux-uclibc-cc links to gcc instead of arm-linux-uclibc-gcc |
| 16:33.44 | samuelr | All pretty minor issues, really. |
| 16:34.12 | prpplague | samuelr: hmm that sounds like they were broken because you did a build for i386 first, but i'll look at that |
| 16:35.00 | samuelr | Don't think so. I did an rm -rf buildroot and re-extracted the tarball. |
| 16:35.07 | prpplague | samuelr: ahh |
| 16:35.20 | prpplague | samuelr: ok i'll do a fresh build and have a look |
| 16:35.27 | samuelr | Liked the boot times, too: power on to console in < 6 seconds. Reboot & back to login prompt at < 10 sec. |
| 16:35.29 | prpplague | samuelr: might have been broken on export from cvs |
| 16:35.39 | prpplague | samuelr: and that is slow |
| 16:35.50 | prpplague | samuelr: i have mine booting in 3 |
| 16:36.16 | prpplague | samuelr: next version of the bootloader and kernel will have a couple of tweaks for boot time |
| 16:36.19 | samuelr | Nice! |
| 16:36.59 | prpplague | samuelr: PHB stuff: whatcha think of the naming, i.e. tools .. hammer ... flyswatter ? |
| 16:42.01 | samuelr | Amusing :-) |
| 16:42.36 | samuelr | I like hammer - the connotations work for me, at least. |
| 16:43.10 | samuelr | 'course, now that I'm thinking about it, there's the inevitable 'ARM & Hammer' association as well. |
| 16:43.31 | MothaWork | when I hear "hammer", I think AMD K8 |
| 16:43.40 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, like I don't... :) |
| 16:43.56 | MothaWork | heh, good point |
| 16:44.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:44.36 | CosmicPenguin | of course, in this industry, we all use the same damn codnames and think we're clever |
| 16:44.49 | prpplague | samuelr: so... this begs the question, you think people are going to be interested in using the Hammer in comparison to the Gumstix ? |
| 16:44.49 | CosmicPenguin | I think every company has done rivers, islands, cities |
| 16:44.54 | MothaWork | I'm trying to determine if it's worth getting gtk-directfb support into buildroot |
| 16:45.07 | CosmicPenguin | fish are popular |
| 16:45.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've voted for stripper names on our next project |
| 16:45.32 | CosmicPenguin | For Geode, we used 14er peak names |
| 16:45.37 | CosmicPenguin | which was sort of unique |
| 16:46.05 | prpplague | samuelr: btw, GPSFan , jbevren, T0mW and Exiles have the other betas |
| 16:46.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 14er peak names? |
| 16:47.29 | chouimat | prpplague: you name like Jewel, Roxy etc etc ;) |
| 16:48.07 | prpplague | chouimat: hehe |
| 16:48.19 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_fourteeners |
| 16:48.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:49.22 | CosmicPenguin | The LX was Castle, the GX was Redcloud, the GX1 was Pyramid |
| 16:49.42 | CosmicPenguin | And I'm not saying that another chip was being planned, but it would have been called Wetterhorn |
| 16:50.00 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 17:13.58 | ds2 | morning |
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| 17:21.48 | MothaWork | wow, the X stuff in buildroot has SO many broken dependencies |
| 17:21.55 | MothaWork | actually, just plain missing dependencies |
| 17:22.14 | MothaWork | I did finally get X to build, at least |
| 17:22.17 | CosmicPenguin | welcome to the wonderful world of X |
| 17:22.34 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: well, this is just that the package.mk files don't list all the dependencies of the package |
| 17:22.39 | MothaWork | so make builds out of order and things break |
| 17:23.03 | CosmicPenguin | I think it was X that really started to show the cracks in a makefile based system |
| 17:23.15 | CosmicPenguin | and if X didn't do it, then anything gnome related did |
| 17:23.26 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: it works fine once you get all the dependencies properly listed |
| 17:23.42 | MothaWork | the issue I'm having is thinks like GTK. GTK can be built without X, but instead using things like DirectFB |
| 17:25.34 | ds2 | you actually built X in a day? that is progress |
| 17:26.33 | MothaWork | ds2: well, I've been hacking on the build process since yesterday |
| 17:26.47 | MothaWork | however , the entire build of X11R7.2 takes about 30 minutes on our build server |
| 17:26.48 | ds2 | MonthaWork, still, X used to be a multi day building event |
| 17:26.52 | ds2 | (Sun IPCs) |
| 17:26.54 | MothaWork | Quad Core 2, 4GB of RAM |
| 17:27.07 | MothaWork | it's not that building X has gotten faster, but that machines have caught up |
| 17:27.17 | ds2 | right, that's progress |
| 17:28.08 | MothaWork | but yes, I remember building X back in about 2001 |
| 17:28.10 | MothaWork | it took FOREVER |
| 17:28.20 | MothaWork | I also remember building the Linux kernel in 1998 or 1999 |
| 17:28.31 | MothaWork | I only had a 486 to run Linux on at the time, so it took overnight |
| 17:29.01 | MothaWork | this build server can build 2.6.22 in about 2 minutes |
| 17:30.15 | MothaWork | building Pango... |
| 17:30.20 | MothaWork | I got Cairo to build, at least |
| 17:30.57 | ds2 | sigh... I hate those packages |
| 17:31.11 | ds2 | wish people would avoid them and just use libXt |
| 17:33.47 | MothaWork | well, the end objective here is to get GTK |
| 17:33.55 | MothaWork | which does require pango and cairo |
| 17:34.07 | MothaWork | I'm also going to have to make a wxwidgets package eventually |
| 17:34.14 | MothaWork | we have WxWidgets->GTK->X11->FB |
| 17:34.25 | MothaWork | I may try to get X11 out of there eventually |
| 17:35.48 | MothaWork | but then X is handy at times |
| 17:35.50 | MothaWork | and we've got the space |
| 17:36.53 | ds2 | I went down the GTK path before which is why I prefer people just use Xt, much less dependancies |
| 17:37.10 | ds2 | it isn't X that I am irritated with..it is the widget set |
| 17:37.42 | MothaWork | well, the app is written in WxWidgets in this cas |
| 17:37.43 | MothaWork | e |
| 17:37.46 | MothaWork | and with some good reasons |
| 17:38.00 | MothaWork | WxWidgets has a direct X11 backend, but it has some shortcomings |
| 17:38.06 | MothaWork | so it's either GTK or Qt at that point |
| 17:38.31 | CosmicPenguin | ugh - WxWidgets |
| 17:38.32 | ds2 | ah you are committed to more then just X |
| 17:38.56 | MothaWork | ds2: actually, X would be the easiest part of the equation to remove |
| 17:39.04 | MothaWork | GTK and Qt both have provisions for drawing directly to the framebuffer |
| 17:39.18 | MothaWork | sadly, WxWidgets does not |
| 17:49.04 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:51.46 | MothaWork | and yes, we really do have good reasons for using WxWidgets |
| 17:53.35 | ds2 | job security? ;) |
| 17:53.36 | ds2 | j/k |
| 17:54.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:55.29 | samuelr | prpplague: re, hammer vs. gumstix: both are neat little packages. |
| 17:56.48 | samuelr | You're going to have a tough time - gumstix have some mind share. |
| 17:58.40 | samuelr | Their market focus is "small". You'll need to differentiate in some way, instead of just saying "we're small, too!" |
| 18:03.15 | prpplague | samuelr: yea, our focus is on hobbists |
| 18:03.39 | prpplague | samuelr: the ability to use .1" proto stuff is where we want to go |
| 18:04.07 | prpplague | samuelr: i'd like our motto to be "putting the fun back into home brew electronics!" |
| 18:06.59 | ds2 | prpplague: what do you think about using a hammer as the CPU for a homebrew phone project like what the gumstix folks have done (myPhone, I think is the one) |
| 18:07.24 | prpplague | ds2: would be great, i've already considered using some of sparkfun's parts |
| 18:07.44 | prpplague | samuelr: what we want to keep is lots of buzz going |
| 18:08.17 | prpplague | samuelr: free hardware, cool hack projects posted, that kind of stuff |
| 18:08.49 | ds2 | prpplague: I been meaning to start such a project and I think your dip-40 layout is easier to deal with then mounting those tiny connectors for a backplane board |
| 18:09.29 | ds2 | I'll think more about it and look into after the labor day holiday |
| 18:10.18 | ds2 | i got as far as considering sources for cheap touch screens and came up empty (<$30 for screen + touch film) |
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| 18:18.16 | MothaWork | ds2: beilieve it or not, the app also runs on Windows |
| 18:18.21 | MothaWork | at least the GUI part |
| 18:18.51 | MothaWork | also, we're thinking of putting out this hardware as a dev kit. Anybody interested in a relatively small AT91SAM9263 dev board? |
| 18:28.02 | T0mW | USB *has to be* 5v ? |
| 18:28.55 | prpplague | T0mW: depends |
| 18:28.57 | ds2 | only on the power lines |
| 18:29.01 | prpplague | T0mW: what is it you want to do? |
| 18:29.07 | T0mW | FT232BM |
| 18:29.12 | prpplague | T0mW: most usb devices actually run at 3.3v |
| 18:29.26 | prpplague | T0mW: yea iirc ft232bm can run at 3.3v |
| 18:30.07 | MothaWork | T0mW: if you want to meet the spec, VBUS is 5V +/- 0.5V |
| 18:30.22 | MothaWork | many devices will run if you give them at least 3.3 since normally the first thing they do is tag an LDO off the VBUS line |
| 18:31.47 | T0mW | MonMotha: thanks, looks like I will need two voltage regulators: 5v + 3v3 for this board. 5v for USB Host ports and 3v3 for all the rest of the logic |
| 18:32.13 | T0mW | prpplague: prolly the best way to go then is have two supplies |
| 18:33.14 | prpplague | T0mW: yea the ft232bm can run at 3.3v |
| 18:33.30 | prpplague | T0mW: the ft232bm is what you will be using on the usb host? |
| 18:34.18 | MothaWork | I generally make it policy to not trust VBUS any more than I have to |
| 18:34.57 | T0mW | prpplague: yes, rather than an RS232 port, I've decided with a mini-usb type B conn w/ FT232 to do the serial data to the RS232 port0 on the Hammer |
| 18:35.00 | T0mW | console |
| 18:36.30 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry, my bad, the ft232bm doesn't support 3.3v only power, it does require 5v for the core |
| 18:37.03 | prpplague | T0mW: question |
| 18:37.12 | prpplague | T0mW: this is for a design? |
| 18:38.16 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah |
| 18:38.47 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh ok, quick question, their a reason you aren't using the usb slave on the hammer instead? |
| 18:38.52 | ds2 | how common are non-broadcom bt usb adapters? |
| 18:39.04 | prpplague | ds2: pretty common |
| 18:39.24 | ds2 | prpplague: so if order the cheapest USB ones from geeks.com, I am likely to still get a SiW one? |
| 18:40.05 | prpplague | ds2: SiW? |
| 18:40.19 | prpplague | ds2: i can tell you which ones we order from geeks.com |
| 18:40.35 | ds2 | yeah... SiW was listed in /proc/bus/usb/devices as the vender |
| 18:40.44 | ds2 | and they work great with SCO and A2DP audio |
| 18:41.05 | ds2 | broadcoms do not |
| 18:41.10 | prpplague | ds2: yea |
| 18:41.20 | prpplague | ds2: hadn't seen siw listed, let me check |
| 18:41.26 | T0mW | prpplague: this is what I have in mind: http://www.openhardware.net/Hammer_LCD.pdf |
| 18:42.05 | T0mW | prpplague: one USB for mouse, another USB for keyboard, nothing left for a host. |
| 18:42.21 | T0mW | s/host/client to PC |
| 18:42.58 | T0mW | schematic is starting to get crowded... |
| 18:44.33 | Exiles | you could use seprate spi ports |
| 18:45.19 | prpplague | T0mW: one sec, let me look |
| 18:45.52 | T0mW | problem is that the second SPI port has interrupt pins available there: EN28J60 ehternet and TSC2003 touch controller need interrupts |
| 18:46.32 | prpplague | T0mW: one sec |
| 18:46.52 | Exiles | eint11 |
| 18:47.00 | Exiles | eint10 |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CYBERBLU-USB-DON100&cpc=SCH |
| 18:47.34 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, first of all you can't share a spi interface with the enc28j60, just too much overhead and it makes the driver a beoych |
| 18:48.06 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I will have to, I will need two interrupt pins from someplace |
| 18:48.45 | T0mW | prpplague: otherwise, I would have run polled mode and that, too, is a beoych |
| 18:49.04 | Exiles | but you have two open ones atm, from what I can tell, that aren't in use |
| 18:49.12 | ds2 | prpplague: that one works with SCO on Linux? |
| 18:49.18 | T0mW | prpplague: the AIN0 and AIN1 pins are basically useless |
| 18:49.19 | prpplague | T0mW: one sec, let me finish looking over the schematic |
| 18:49.26 | prpplague | ds2: perfect |
| 18:49.35 | Exiles | eint10 eint11 |
| 18:49.39 | prpplague | ds2: we buy that one in bulk |
| 18:49.56 | ds2 | cool, I will get some of those and desolder the connector |
| 18:50.14 | MothaWork | anybody know of any interested in the Atmel 9263 board, btw? |
| 18:51.32 | Exiles | move pin 30 to pin 8 |
| 18:52.13 | T0mW | Exiles: hmm, good point. I was staying away from the SS0 pin as I wasn't sure it could be configured as a seperate function aside from the SPI0 operation. |
| 18:52.34 | prpplague | T0mW: its dual usage |
| 18:52.39 | prpplague | T0mW: so i agree with Exiles |
| 18:53.03 | prpplague | T0mW: what kind of performance do you need on the sd/mmc card? |
| 18:53.52 | ds2 | MothaWork: is that the AVR32 stuff? |
| 18:54.18 | T0mW | prpplague: that will be the main program store: o/s binaries, etc. |
| 18:54.32 | T0mW | prpplague: so, fairly high |
| 18:54.36 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 18:55.02 | Exiles | can't fin all your bins in 16mb compressed? |
| 18:55.23 | prpplague | T0mW: you are going to run the two usb hosts at +3.3v out? |
| 18:55.45 | T0mW | prpplague: no, haven't changed that to +5v yet |
| 18:56.24 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh ok |
| 18:56.35 | Exiles | for the benifit of your devices, I suggest you do |
| 18:57.14 | prpplague | T0mW: ok, so as i understand it, you want do a power on, start the bootloader, copy the kernel and rootfs from sd/mmc card then boot? |
| 18:57.36 | T0mW | Exiles: heh, yeah. Still thinking this out. I'm trying to cram the functionality into it, then fine tune later. |
| 18:58.24 | T0mW | prpplague: no: power-on, copy kernel from Flash down to RAM via bootloader, kick the kernel off and have it "root=/dev/sd1" |
| 18:58.53 | T0mW | s:root=/dev/sd1:root=/dev/mmcblk0/: |
| 18:59.12 | prpplague | T0mW: oh ok |
| 18:59.17 | prpplague | thats easy enough |
| 18:59.20 | T0mW | prpplague: basically the same as I do with the zipit |
| 18:59.53 | prpplague | T0mW: ok a couple more questions |
| 19:00.13 | prpplague | T0mW: what about the console, what is the intended purpose of the uart console via usb? |
| 19:01.10 | T0mW | prpplague: mostly for debug purposes in getting things figured out. And, the mini-usb type a is smaller than DB9 conn. Also, gives me a chance to play with the FT232 chip. |
| 19:01.19 | MothaWork | so, evidently it is not possible to build GTK without Xinerama support |
| 19:01.26 | MothaWork | which, suffice to say, I don't need on my embedded device |
| 19:01.30 | T0mW | s:type a:type b: |
| 19:01.49 | prpplague | MothaWork: that seems odd, have you talked to some of the folks in #gpe-project? |
| 19:01.58 | MothaWork | prpplague: I can't say that I have |
| 19:02.27 | MothaWork | I just know that there does not appear to be a configure option (and in fact, configure doens't even check - the build just barfs later when the compiler can't find Xinerama.h) |
| 19:02.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: they have gtk running on small handhelds, so i'm sure they can get it working without xinerama |
| 19:02.56 | MothaWork | I also had to build cairo with PDF and PS support, which seems delightfully unnecessary |
| 19:03.20 | prpplague | T0mW: so the question is, if the console port via usb is just for debugging, why not just use the rs-232 port on the flyswatter? |
| 19:03.30 | prpplague | MothaWork: thats jsut wrong |
| 19:03.46 | ds2 | can you cache a copy of the same sung datasheet? |
| 19:03.54 | ds2 | http://www.elinux.org/S3C2410 has a broken link for the datasheet |
| 19:05.42 | ds2 | also, is the S3C2410 really an ARM20T core? I am guessing a 920T but donno w/o looking at the datasheet |
| 19:07.30 | T0mW | ds2: datasheet does call it an ARM920T |
| 19:07.49 | prpplague | ds2: no. the s3c2410 is a arm9tdmi core with the addition of a mmu |
| 19:08.00 | prpplague | ds2: arm9tmdi + mmu == arm920T |
| 19:08.39 | prpplague | ds2: yea i'll rework the page on the s3c2410 since samsungs web site sucks |
| 19:08.45 | ds2 | prpplague: right but the wiki page calls it a ARM20T core! |
| 19:08.53 | ds2 | trying to point out a typo |
| 19:08.58 | prpplague | ds2: typo |
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| 19:11.35 | T0mW | I gotta go see a man about a broken linux box |
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| 19:30.26 | ds2 | Hmmmm you don't bring out all the pins for the LCD |
| 19:39.16 | Exiles | I'm trying to find info about getting linux support of a usb host file system |
| 19:40.09 | prpplague | ds2: not all the ones for tft and not all the data lines for high data lines |
| 19:40.22 | prpplague | Exiles: ?? |
| 19:40.43 | ds2 | prpplague: will the sledge be able to do 24 bit color LCD? |
| 19:41.00 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:41.09 | ds2 | how much bigger is the sledge? |
| 19:41.21 | ds2 | (contemplating a phone is more interesting then what i am suppose to be doing so....) |
| 19:41.31 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 19:41.42 | ds2 | wtf... the elinux search is useless |
| 19:41.59 | prpplague | ds2: you going to use a large screen for the phone? i.e. 320x240? |
| 19:42.54 | ds2 | prpplague: thinking of the PSP LCD since it is easy to get |
| 19:43.08 | ds2 | and there is a matching touch film for it, alas this makes it a $100 display :( |
| 19:43.44 | ds2 | the alternative I suppose is to ground the unconnected LSB pins and hope for the best |
| 19:44.17 | ds2 | I really want a phone with a 640x480 OLED display but that is not going to happen |
| 19:49.40 | prpplague | ds2: why not use the nokia 128x128 from sparkfun? |
| 19:49.59 | ds2 | prpplague: what useful thing can I do with a 128x128 display? |
| 19:50.13 | ds2 | I bought one to play with and couldn't figure anything useful for it |
| 19:50.27 | prpplague | ds2: dial phone numbers, use the phonebook, things a PHONE would do, hehe |
| 19:50.46 | ds2 | did I mention it needs to be able to replace my Treo ? =) |
| 19:50.51 | prpplague | ds2: no |
| 19:50.56 | prpplague | ds2: that wasn't mentioned |
| 19:50.59 | ds2 | oh we,, it does |
| 19:51.07 | prpplague | ds2: treo color? |
| 19:51.10 | ds2 | tired of palm not giving me wifi AND bluetooth |
| 19:51.21 | ds2 | treo is color but I can tolorate 256 colors |
| 19:53.01 | ds2 | okay food time |
| 19:53.53 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 20:02.49 | MothaWork | well, I think I've got userspace built |
| 20:02.52 | MothaWork | now I've got to hack up the kernel |
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| 20:42.54 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 20:42.58 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 20:43.41 | MothaWork | and here I am hacking on buildroot |
| 20:43.49 | MothaWork | I got all of userspace to build, I tihnk |
| 20:44.00 | MothaWork | including X11R7.2, Cairo, Pango, and GTK |
| 20:44.06 | MothaWork | oddly enough, Matchbox has issues |
| 20:44.10 | MothaWork | as does libusb |
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