| 00:02.29 | MonMotha | the muxing on the 9263 is also dumb |
| 00:02.43 | MonMotha | the non-RMII lines are shared with part of the ethernet controller |
| 00:02.50 | MonMotha | except for one, which is also use in RMII mode |
| 00:02.57 | MonMotha | so if you want to use the ethernet, you're limited to a 16 bit TFT |
| 00:16.30 | joe_bleau | I read on usenet that it actually has some GPS stuff in it too. |
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| 00:27.14 | joe_bleau | Yep. Search usenet using google groups for ""related to the undocumented GPS receiver on the chip". Should hit on Ulf from Atmel talking about the '9263. Fun stuff. |
| 00:47.20 | MonMotha | hah |
| 00:47.30 | MonMotha | that doesn't surprise me given the oddball pintout |
| 00:49.29 | MonMotha | I know Atmel has some GPS/ARM integrated stuff |
| 00:49.38 | MonMotha | in fact, I was just talking with my rep about them only a couple weeks ago |
| 00:50.38 | MonMotha | also would explain the two "Do not connect" pins |
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| 00:51.28 | MonMotha | also, if it concerns you, our board has real SRAM on the second bus, rather than PSRAM |
| 00:51.46 | joe_bleau | Battery backed? |
| 00:51.47 | MonMotha | the PSRAM is a slightly finer pitch BGA and would have made the board more expensive |
| 00:51.54 | MonMotha | no, it is not battery backed |
| 00:52.03 | MonMotha | though you may be able to find a pin-compatible device that is |
| 00:52.13 | MonMotha | there is some battery backed SRAM on the 9263 itself |
| 00:52.17 | joe_bleau | Nah, I usually use a controller and battery. |
| 00:52.19 | MonMotha | and there is a battery on the board for that |
| 00:52.32 | joe_bleau | I like lots of NVRAM. 1MB would be great. |
| 00:53.41 | MonMotha | well, we'll be re-spinning them slightly before they end up as a EV kit type thing |
| 00:53.45 | MonMotha | I'll see if I can get a controller on there |
| 00:54.05 | MonMotha | the SRAM is intended to be used for the LCD framebuffer, to minimize bus contention between the CPU and the LCD controller |
| 00:54.07 | joe_bleau | I understand you're not taking requests. |
| 00:54.25 | MonMotha | well, we haven't even made a first prototype yet, but there's not a lot of board real-estate left, either |
| 00:55.50 | MonMotha | I find it funny that they evidently managed to cram a GPS receiver on there (albeit possibly not working), yet couldn't bother to update the ROM code from the 9260/9261 to get NAND boot working |
| 01:00.31 | MonMotha | the board does have 802.15.4 on it (using the Atmel chip) |
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| 02:17.57 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:17.59 | jbevren | 'exit' |
| 02:18.37 | agaffney | not once, but twice |
| 02:19.57 | jbevren | Ive had those days |
| 02:20.11 | jbevren | I know I"m really tired when I have to set -o vi to get along with bash |
| 02:20.20 | jbevren | I dont know why, but I cant use emacs mode in bash when I'm beat |
| 02:20.46 | jbevren | although I have to admit I enjoy being able to use / to search within my cmdline |
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| 03:07.52 | jbevren | prpplague: youre up late |
| 03:07.54 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:08.14 | jbevren | man 10x18 is hard to read after reading 8x16 all day :P |
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| 04:36.03 | jbevren | wtf |
| 04:36.05 | jbevren | so |
| 04:36.11 | jbevren | is sf.net's cvs permanently down? |
| 04:36.22 | jbevren | cause I figured they'd fix it within 6 months |
| 04:37.37 | jbevren | so ping reports replies |
| 04:37.41 | jbevren | and anything else reports no route to host |
| 04:37.44 | jbevren | nice. |
| 04:46.59 | CP|too | I think they went svn |
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| 13:46.01 | chouimat| | morning |
| 13:59.11 | Exiles | yawn |
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| 14:00.35 | prpplague | morning all |
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| 14:27.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day, what's the scoop on the 2.6 mmc & enc28j60 driver? |
| 14:28.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: swampped with day job work |
| 14:28.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: the 2.6 kernel supports mmc with no problems, just haven't had time to finish up the spi->mmc |
| 14:29.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, I thought the enc28j60 driver required some sort of day-job-person approval. |
| 14:29.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: the enc28j60 does |
| 14:29.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm still waiting on approval for that |
| 14:29.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: probably won't get it untill monday of next week |
| 14:30.02 | GPSFan | it is gpl isn't it? |
| 14:30.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, but it hasn't been released or distributed |
| 14:30.29 | GPSFan | ah, that now makes sense... |
| 14:31.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: do you have a new binary of the rootfs that I can flash that corresponds to the source on the CD, with the changes for busybox, buzzer etc.? |
| 14:32.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: i will later this afternoon |
| 14:32.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: new bootloader, new kernel, and new ramdisk |
| 14:32.33 | GPSFan | ok, I'm gonna be kind of busy today & tomorrow, so that fits well. |
| 14:32.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll post them on the wiki |
| 14:32.45 | GPSFan | swell. |
| 14:52.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 14:55.54 | jbevren | prpplague: why do you think every arch has its own fork? |
| 14:56.03 | jbevren | most have stopped bothering |
| 14:56.20 | prpplague | jbevren: even with their own fork |
| 14:56.43 | prpplague | jbevren: getting these 4 line patches submitted to the LAK is just a pain in the ass |
| 14:56.49 | prpplague | jbevren: almost makes me not want to even bother |
| 14:57.54 | chouimat | prpplague: but if you don't some people will complaint that companies never submit their changes :) |
| 14:58.23 | prpplague | chouimat: yep |
| 14:58.48 | prpplague | chouimat: well, if the method for submitting patches is not business friendly, it won;t happen |
| 14:59.00 | prpplague | chouimat: and right now, LAK is NOT business friendly |
| 14:59.20 | chouimat | prpplague: I agree ... and some of the kernel hackers are NOT business friendly too |
| 15:00.00 | prpplague | chouimat: indeed, some of the kernel guru's live in a white tower as far as coding requirments, imho |
| 15:00.15 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:00.19 | prpplague | chouimat: having an unscheduled 2 week window for submitting patches is just unacceptable imho |
| 15:01.33 | prpplague | businesses are not going to drop everything on a momments notice to work on submitting patches into a two week window |
| 15:01.42 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe |
| 15:01.49 | prpplague | if its going to be such as small window, it needs to be scheduled |
| 15:02.09 | chouimat | prpplague: they need to publish the roadmap :) |
| 15:02.33 | prpplague | chouimat: exactly |
| 15:03.29 | chouimat | prpplague: when I was working for the nutcase in Quebec city he decided to base all his products on FreeBSD ... because we only had to track 2, sometimes 3 versions of the kernel/os |
| 15:13.03 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, its so much as that, we can control the versions ok |
| 15:13.14 | prpplague | chouimat: its getting our changes and fixes back into the mix |
| 15:13.29 | prpplague | chouimat: its trouble as it is to get management to allocate time to do the patches |
| 15:13.38 | chouimat | prpplague: true |
| 15:13.45 | prpplague | chouimat: but when the kernel maintainers jerk you around, it makes it even worse |
| 15:15.53 | chouimat | yup |
| 15:18.32 | CosmicPenguin | I seriously hate computers |
| 15:19.33 | Crofton|laptop | nothing is worse than a grad student who does not understand SW trying to dictate project direction |
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| 15:31.01 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:31.06 | prpplague | too much work too little time |
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| 15:45.12 | prpplague | samuelr: greetings |
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| 16:21.07 | wmat | prpplague: I have ssh access to elinux.org again, apparently someone fixed something |
| 16:22.04 | prpplague | wmat: lovely |
| 16:22.15 | prpplague | wmat: EzUsb needs to be moved to the new wiki |
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| 16:52.36 | wmat | prpplague: http://elinux.org/Ez_Usb |
| 16:52.38 | wmat | is that not it? |
| 16:52.57 | wmat | I can't check as my http access is suddently not working |
| 17:00.48 | prpplague | wmat: yea thats it, just having a hell of a time with the usage of the __ |
| 17:01.10 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, i suppose i should standardize on something :/ |
| 17:01.23 | prpplague | there seems to be alot of pages that aren't linked together |
| 17:01.32 | prpplague | wmat: how did you find that page? |
| 17:01.33 | wmat | we can use spaces in page names, so that's probably a sane choice |
| 17:01.50 | wmat | I clicked on Special Pages, then All Pages |
| 17:01.57 | wmat | http://elinux.org/Special:Allpages |
| 17:02.14 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:08.06 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:10.38 | Exiles | gotta setup a sattilite dish |
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| 17:21.49 | prpplague | hmm, anyone every seen a cstn with two contrast control pins? |
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| 17:50.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:55.07 | ds2 | wow people actually working the week after laborday! |
| 17:55.44 | prpplague | ds2: why wouldn't they? |
| 17:56.37 | chouimat | prpplague: too drunk etc etc etc ;) |
| 18:00.20 | prpplague | chouimat: for labor day? |
| 18:00.40 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
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| 18:05.09 | Crofton|work | ds2, um, it is two days after labor day .. |
| 18:07.32 | ds2 | prpplague: office here is empty cuz people take vacation the entire week after |
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| 18:13.20 | ds2 | heh |
| 18:13.29 | ds2 | do notice that I am working! |
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| 20:12.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I see where the 3.3v regulator on the Hammer is a non-issue. I would still need +5v for the USB anyway... |
| 20:13.07 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I've got the board layed out. |
| 20:19.15 | prpplague | T0mW: cool deal |
| 20:19.21 | prpplague | T0mW: send me a pdf? |
| 20:19.47 | T0mW | prpplague: iab, just dressing schematic up. |
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| 20:25.04 | T0mW | knew I forgot something, I need external reset logic + push button! |
| 20:29.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:29.49 | prpplague | T0mW: so what do you think so far? |
| 20:32.07 | T0mW | prpplague: I think it is a cool idea. Although, I personally see no advantage to the AINx pins. IMHO, if you want A/D then add an SPI ADC ? |
| 20:32.28 | T0mW | prpplague: use AINx pins for something more usefull like a GP I/O pin? |
| 20:32.49 | T0mW | prpplague: anyhow, that is my 2 cents worth. |
| 20:34.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i don't do much a2d myself, but it was what alot of people requested |
| 20:34.18 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 20:34.20 | prpplague | T0mW: question |
| 20:34.43 | prpplague | T0mW: you ever seen a cstn lcd that has 2 or more VLCD voltages? |
| 20:34.49 | T0mW | prpplague: no |
| 20:35.05 | T0mW | prpplague: tft would |
| 20:35.33 | prpplague | T0mW: interesting, i've got a couple that have multiple VLCD's on them |
| 20:35.34 | T0mW | prpplague: all I've ever seen w/STN is single 3.3/5 v supply |
| 20:35.51 | T0mW | prpplague: sure one of them isn't for the backlight? |
| 20:35.54 | prpplague | T0mW: oh, well thats not very commor |
| 20:35.56 | prpplague | common |
| 20:35.58 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 20:36.35 | prpplague | T0mW: VLED is 11V , VLCD1 is 23V, VLCD2 is 3.8 , and VLCD3 is 1.8 |
| 20:37.05 | T0mW | prpplague: ewwww, that is nasty! Sure that isn't a TFT display in drag? |
| 20:37.14 | prpplague | T0mW: 100% |
| 20:37.49 | T0mW | prpplague: designing a supply for that display would suck |
| 20:40.05 | prpplague | T0mW: got a second to look at the datasheet? |
| 20:41.37 | prpplague | T0mW: you've got spam |
| 20:48.52 | T0mW | wtf, somehow I've gotten off the grid that I was using in Eagle. |
| 20:49.16 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:54.20 | T0mW | prpplague: have you seen the schematic for the zipit mainboard? The LCD there uses 6 supplies to the LCD, BUT(!) that is a TFT display. These guys may call their display an STN, but, that IS a TFT. Unless you got a bunch of discrete logic shift registers on the LCD assembly, it is TFT. |
| 20:54.36 | T0mW | TFT == Thin Film Transistor |
| 20:55.48 | T0mW | prpplague: or, it is some kind of a hybrid display |
| 20:56.18 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm thinking its a hybrid, because its clearly cstn |
| 20:56.27 | prpplague | T0mW: the logic controls are all stn |
| 21:07.40 | T0mW | prpplague: I appreciate that you mentioned, one time, that eagle had a way to snap componets, etc., to the grid. For years, I did not know that was possible to do! |
| 21:07.51 | T0mW | prpplague: it is so freakin' handy to have that! |
| 21:17.41 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 21:17.49 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, eagle is full of hidden secrets |
| 21:18.11 | prpplague | T0mW: although i don't use eagle much anymore |
| 21:18.49 | T0mW | prpplague: I am too cheep to use anything but. :P |
| 21:22.46 | ds2 | pcb ;) |
| 21:25.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i mainly have to use orcade at the office so it doesn't make sense for me to learn two different applications |
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| 21:34.03 | MothaWork | ok, so buildroot really does not like using an external toolchain |
| 21:34.50 | prpplague | MothaWork: blame sjhill |
| 21:34.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:35.05 | MothaWork | it looks like it's just suffered from bitrot |
| 21:35.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, is there a way to ready the status of the capslock from the input driver section |
| 21:35.15 | prpplague | MothaWork: indeed |
| 21:44.38 | MothaWork | prpplague: still, rather annoying |
| 21:44.49 | MothaWork | since NPTL doesn't build correctly using the uClibc toolchain |
| 21:45.59 | MothaWork | yes, I'm aware who made the patch |
| 21:48.24 | T0mW | prpplague: ready for pdf? |
| 21:49.22 | prpplague | T0mW: shoot it! |
| 21:50.21 | CosmicPenguin | blah? |
| 21:51.56 | T0mW | prpplague: let me know when you get it and I'll delete |
| 21:54.39 | prpplague | T0mW: got it |
| 21:54.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:55.17 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yes, I think so |
| 21:55.23 | CosmicPenguin | its a switch, I think |
| 21:59.31 | MothaWork | gah, this is amazingly annoying |
| 21:59.52 | MothaWork | it's almost tempting me to jump to openembedded, but I know that's just 10x worse |
| 21:59.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a weird situation on this keyboard, one button to turn caps on, and another to turn it off |
| 22:00.07 | T0mW | MonMotha: ROTLMAO |
| 22:00.22 | MothaWork | rolling on the laughing my ass off? |
| 22:00.32 | MothaWork | I didn't know you could roll on laughing |
| 22:00.34 | T0mW | MonMotha: fingers are tired |
| 22:00.54 | T0mW | MonMotha: been doing cad for the past few daze |
| 22:01.02 | MothaWork | the issue is that buildroot seems completely tied to uclibc |
| 22:01.08 | T0mW | MonMotha: it is |
| 22:01.10 | MothaWork | I realize that's what it was designed for |
| 22:01.14 | MothaWork | but there's no reason for that |
| 22:01.30 | T0mW | MonMotha: yes there is: Erik |
| 22:01.46 | T0mW | MonMotha: yes there is: Erik Andersen |
| 22:02.13 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what buildroot was invented for |
| 22:02.29 | T0mW | MonMotha: buildroot is actually tied to busybox and to uclibc as a side effect. |
| 22:02.38 | MothaWork | I mean, uClibc is great when you have a few megs to fit things in, but when I've got 256, I'll go with full blown glibc |
| 22:02.45 | MothaWork | does busybox no longer build against glibc? |
| 22:03.01 | CosmicPenguin | it should |
| 22:03.07 | CosmicPenguin | if it doesn't, thats a bug |
| 22:03.39 | MothaWork | I'm just curious why things are tied to glibc |
| 22:03.46 | MothaWork | I have no issue with using busybox here |
| 22:03.58 | MothaWork | but some of the stuff I'm building isn't exactly well tested against uclibc |
| 22:04.04 | T0mW | nod |
| 22:04.07 | MothaWork | not to mention I can't get uclibc to build with NPTL support |
| 22:04.26 | T0mW | gak, NPTL is a PITA |
| 22:04.42 | MothaWork | well, the app that is going to run on here uses threads |
| 22:05.24 | MothaWork | and linuxthreads sucks |
| 22:06.12 | CosmicPenguin | MothaWork: for the NPTL stuff - ping sjhill |
| 22:06.30 | MothaWork | CosmicPenguin: hum, ok |
| 22:06.35 | MothaWork | it looks like it's just missing a file |
| 22:06.51 | CosmicPenguin | that was his baby |
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| 22:10.26 | MothaWork | and now I can't even get it to build at all |
| 22:10.51 | prpplague | ~lart MothaWork |
| 22:10.51 | purl | blames MothaWork for all the evil in the world |
| 22:11.08 | MothaWork | ~lart buildroot |
| 22:11.08 | purl | blasts buildroot to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 22:11.29 | prpplague | MothaWork: hehe, sounds like you are having as much trouble with buildroot as i have with OE |
| 22:12.30 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, at this point it seems like things are just plain broken somehow |
| 22:12.35 | MothaWork | it can'te ven build gcc |
| 22:14.16 | MothaWork | oh yeah, NPTL is broke-ass on ARM |
| 22:14.17 | MothaWork | I forgot |
| 22:14.19 | MothaWork | there's a missing file |
| 22:16.06 | MothaWork | and for whatever reason, gcc won't build when I tell it to use linuxthreads |
| 22:21.45 | prpplague | MothaWork: hehe yea, sjhill did it primarily for MIPS, and when he quoted for doing it on ARM, the customer decide to get someone else to do it |
| 22:22.43 | MothaWork | prpplague: well, the guy who did our (useless, evidently) toolchain said he had problems using glibc 2.6 and NPTL as well |
| 22:22.55 | MothaWork | apparently there is something that is defined on every arch except ARM |
| 22:23.49 | MothaWork | I'm half tempted to just say "use Debian ARM and be done with it" |
| 22:24.02 | MothaWork | I'm not sure if that'll fit in 256MB or not, t hough |
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