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| 12:46.47 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:55.10 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:56.49 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
| 13:58.08 | prpplague | chouimat: its such a pain |
| 13:58.24 | prpplague | chouimat: i don't know why they have to make it so complicate to simply submit a patch |
| 13:58.47 | prpplague | chouimat: and the email format requirements are just silly |
| 13:59.55 | chouimat | prpplague: I was thinking about this yesterday why they don't simply do a website that will post the patch in the correct format on the right mailing list :) |
| 14:02.18 | prpplague | chouimat: they have a patch submission system, but they want the patch to be submitted to the list FIRST |
| 14:02.37 | chouimat | wow |
| 14:03.19 | prpplague | "Please note: this is not a patch review system; |
| 14:03.19 | prpplague | please submit all patches to the linux-arm-kernel mailing |
| 14:03.20 | prpplague | list for community review prior to submission here." |
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| 14:31.36 | prpplague | koen: hey hey |
| 14:31.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: good morning |
| 14:31.51 | koen | hey prpplague |
| 14:32.03 | koen | prpplague: did the in-laws have much trouble with felix? |
| 14:32.21 | prpplague | koen: naw, just a some rain |
| 14:32.36 | koen | good |
| 14:33.02 | prpplague | koen: but the entire island has been plagued with disasters lately |
| 14:33.24 | koen | not good |
| 14:33.29 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't do it |
| 14:33.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:34.06 | prpplague | koen: they had one of those blue buses fall off a cliff |
| 14:34.43 | prpplague | koen: then they had an entire apartment complex fall into an underground cave |
| 14:35.13 | prpplague | koen: the only chemical plant on the island caught fire last weekend and the whole island was cover with black pesticide smoke for 3 days |
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| 15:23.52 | prpplague | samuelr: got any hammer hacking done? |
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| 16:09.47 | samuelr | prpplague: Not more than the email I sent (yesterday? two days ago?) - did you get that? |
| 16:23.48 | prpplague | samuelr: uh no |
| 16:24.18 | prpplague | samuelr: what address did you send it to? |
| 16:26.12 | prpplague | samuelr: no email in the spam box either |
| 16:51.17 | samuelr | prpplague: I used your email off of /whois, but messed up and copied the "n=" prefix :-/ Resending... |
| 16:53.30 | prpplague | samuelr: send to danders@amltd.com |
| 16:54.48 | samuelr | prpplague: Gotcha - sent. Thanks. |
| 16:55.29 | prpplague | samuelr: got it, reading |
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| 16:58.44 | prpplague | samuelr: yea, anywhere on the elinux.org wiki you want to start a page is fine, the base page is http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board |
| 16:59.20 | prpplague | samuelr: i'm surprised at the number of people that didn't know the baud rate for the console, i'll have to post that |
| 17:01.20 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, minicom can be a problem if you get junk at the wrong baudrate. It "escapes" into some ANSI / VT100 binary mode and then text at the correct baudrate shows up as junk. |
| 17:01.47 | T0mW | you actually have to close minicom and run it again. |
| 17:01.51 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, its just that i assumed everyone would try 115k first |
| 17:02.18 | T0mW | naw, I tried 9600 first. heh. I didn't think that you were that fast. |
| 17:03.31 | prpplague | T0mW: yea seems that was common, so i'll make the change |
| 17:04.16 | T0mW | prpplague: I switched from a microSD to a miniSD on that schematic. I felt that maybe I should have a memory card with the card-detect available. |
| 17:07.08 | T0mW | Now, I just have to go over the board a bit and see what I've missed, then it is off to the board house. |
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| 17:28.21 | ds2 | morning |
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| 18:32.38 | spacemonkey | wmat: I saw Linux Torvalds on Tuesday, how cool it that |
| 18:34.29 | agaffney | did you touch him? does he have magic healing power? :P |
| 18:35.05 | spacemonkey | I was going to reach out and touch him, but I feared that his magic would be too much for me :) |
| 18:35.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:36.07 | spacemonkey | the most impressive thing about him is that you could miss im completely. He is a normal guy. I am sure if I walked past him in the street I would not recognise him. |
| 18:39.23 | spacemonkey | has anyone here managed to integrate GPSD into anything? I have crosscompiled it onto arm and it seems to work fine. The problem I am having is with adding its functionality to my own application. |
| 18:43.02 | T0mW | spacemonkey: hmmm, torvalds sightings, heh |
| 18:43.39 | T0mW | I saw him a few years ago at a NY linuxworld, he was just trunkin' along looking at stuff. |
| 18:43.53 | spacemonkey | T0mW: we need to design a Torvalds spotting guide :) |
| 18:44.15 | spacemonkey | I guess its because he does not have an entourage he just fits in normally! |
| 18:44.51 | T0mW | spacemonkey: naw, he should / probably wants to just be "normal". Like we should send the pavaratzi (spelling?) after him? |
| 18:44.54 | T0mW | :P |
| 18:45.31 | spacemonkey | he must be minted, im sure he does not do consultancy for free! |
| 18:45.38 | T0mW | heh |
| 18:46.09 | T0mW | IMHO, it is everybody's best interest that Linus has a job doing something |
| 18:46.24 | spacemonkey | He has inspired me to start using GIT properly |
| 18:46.29 | T0mW | don't piss off the maintainer |
| 18:46.44 | T0mW | lol, fsck GIT |
| 18:47.35 | T0mW | cvs, svn, git, monotone, yada yada yada. Too many code versioning systems. |
| 18:48.14 | T0mW | ah well, down to my last pair of socks! too much coding makes Tom stink |
| 18:48.17 | spacemonkey | T0mw: exactly, so if I am going to have to learn one, I may as well learn what the kernel uses so I can push my patches / drivers |
| 18:49.24 | T0mW | if you ever see a neatly groomed individual you can be sure that they don't write code |
| 18:50.27 | ds2 | the trick is to write concise, prefect code that takes no time at all to write ;) |
| 18:50.59 | spacemonkey | I spend 2% of the time writing code and 98% trying to convince linux to run it |
| 18:51.27 | T0mW | lol |
| 18:52.08 | T0mW | spacemonkey: I think that Thomas Edison once said that invention is 1% Inspiration and 99% Persperation. |
| 18:52.38 | T0mW | spacemonkey: sadly, I find the same is true: 10% of the code takes 90% of my time. |
| 18:53.01 | prpplague | T0mW: agreed |
| 18:53.06 | T0mW | speaking of laundry |
| 18:53.27 | spacemonkey | Its less painful on the desktop systems, embedded adds its own annoyances |
| 18:56.17 | Crofton|home | a thesis is .05% work and 99.95% procrastination |
| 18:56.28 | spacemonkey | has anyone tried to use qemu as an arm development platform? |
| 18:57.21 | spacemonkey | Crofton|home: Seeing as you are not doing your thesis, can you try the qemu thing ;) |
| 18:58.02 | ds2 | spacemonkey: K or U? |
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| 18:58.57 | spacemonkey | ds2: im not sure I understand the question? |
| 18:59.03 | ds2 | kernel or userspace |
| 18:59.16 | spacemonkey | ds2: userspace |
| 19:00.10 | spacemonkey | basically when I have had enough of crosscompiling I end up doing it on my board. If I had an emulator it would save me from having to use CC (which in truth I dont really understand) |
| 19:02.22 | Crofton|home | spacemonkey, OE |
| 19:03.22 | spacemonkey | Crofton|home: how will OE help me? I have CCed my app, 100% done fine. I have CCed GPSD, 100% fine. Now I need to add gpsd libraries for my app. ???? no clue |
| 19:06.24 | Crofton | these are the .so's? oe and ipkg can help with these also |
| 19:07.01 | spacemonkey | I add the headers, but it does not seem to find the external functions. |
| 19:07.42 | spacemonkey | Crofton: RE OE in general, I intend fully to go open source on my platform, however, I need to get to grips with the drivers and to whom I submit them to. |
| 19:12.08 | ds2 | spacemonkey: tried it briefly and stopped after encountering the maze of libraries |
| 19:12.44 | ds2 | I think I got a statically linked ARM hello world binary to run with qemu |
| 19:13.15 | spacemonkey | ds2: lol, I would have thought using an EMU would have been as easy as using the device itself. Maybe I ought to overclock my arm! |
| 19:14.13 | spacemonkey | brb going to switch the linux box |
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| 19:17.57 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton: do you recall how you sent me the OE images for the Davinci? |
| 19:23.42 | Crofton | ftp |
| 19:23.45 | Crofton | er http |
| 19:23.53 | SpaceMonkey | ahh just found them |
| 19:24.06 | SpaceMonkey | you might zip that filesys image (the ext2) one :) |
| 19:25.17 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton: trying the QEMU route. might make a guide on the wiki if it works. |
| 19:32.59 | ds2 | filesystem images? |
| 19:33.23 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: yeah, a kernel and a fs |
| 19:33.40 | SpaceMonkey | QEMU didnt burst into life as I expected it would tho |
| 19:33.49 | ds2 | why? for user space stuff.... |
| 19:34.47 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: are you asking why bother? |
| 19:35.00 | ds2 | yes, why bother with a kernel and seperate fs image |
| 19:35.37 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: isnt that how its usually done? |
| 19:35.48 | ds2 | only if you want to |
| 19:36.01 | ds2 | qemu offers cross binary emulation |
| 19:36.20 | ds2 | so you can run user space stuff with 'qemu arm-ls' and it'll work |
| 19:36.38 | SpaceMonkey | im basically trying to get qemu to pretend to be a Davinci Processor |
| 19:36.39 | ds2 | which is why I asked if you were doing K or U |
| 19:37.14 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: oh, im having trouble following (you know how it is after a long day) |
| 19:37.24 | ds2 | right, you want to be able to run the same binary on your dev host and on the davinci, right? |
| 19:37.28 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: I just want to complie Userspace stuff |
| 19:37.44 | SpaceMonkey | and not have to CC |
| 19:38.02 | ds2 | Oh you want to do the opposite |
| 19:38.04 | ds2 | n/m |
| 19:38.10 | ds2 | thought you just wanted to debug |
| 19:38.53 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: everything like this confuses me ;) |
| 19:39.23 | ds2 | i usually want to be able to debug w/o the actual target system |
| 19:39.32 | ds2 | target system being headless makes it a bit difficult ;) |
| 19:40.09 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: it must be pretty hard because most embedded targets talk with their hardware quite closely? |
| 19:41.32 | ds2 | depends, sometimes the kernel abstracts away the hardware with a driver |
| 19:41.45 | ds2 | so for user space it is pretty independant of the actual hardware |
| 19:42.32 | SpaceMonkey | ds2: That makes sense. |
| 19:43.04 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton: im not sure qemu likes your image |
| 19:43.46 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:44.02 | Crofton | I haven't tried it |
| 19:44.03 | SpaceMonkey | and I cannot download your huge ext2 image :) |
| 19:45.15 | Crofton | heh |
| 19:45.22 | Crofton | is it gzip'd? |
| 19:45.32 | SpaceMonkey | no, its 64M! |
| 19:46.18 | Crofton | no it isn't .... |
| 19:46.20 | Crofton | check again |
| 19:46.41 | SpaceMonkey | must have been my tired eyes :) |
| 19:47.53 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton: will OE have their own copy of the kernel or will that still be kept at MV? |
| 19:51.29 | Crofton|home | oe builds whatever we tell it |
| 19:51.42 | Crofton|home | right now, we build whatever is head in MV git |
| 19:52.01 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton|home: ok, we would have to submit patches to the maintainers of the MV git |
| 19:52.13 | Crofton|home | yeah, or maintain local copies |
| 19:52.49 | SpaceMonkey | Crofton|home: sounds like a plan. hopefully you will get some hardware soon :) |
| 19:53.07 | SpaceMonkey | anyone know if I can make a vmlinuz image out of a uImage? |
| 19:57.06 | Crofton|home | not sure |
| 19:57.19 | Crofton|home | I need to make an image name dictionary |
| 19:57.30 | SpaceMonkey | you will have to save that for me next time you build a Davinci image |
| 19:57.51 | Crofton|home | why do you need it? |
| 19:58.05 | SpaceMonkey | qemu only works in zImages I think |
| 19:59.09 | Crofton|home | did you try the uImage or whatever it is called? |
| 19:59.58 | SpaceMonkey | yeah I tried that, didnt work. People suggest its because uImage is fiddled with for bootloaders |
| 20:01.21 | SpaceMonkey | I recall the kernel builds the zImage before the uImage, so if you still have access to the kernel source directory it should be in there. |
| 20:03.36 | Crofton|home | ok |
| 20:03.47 | Crofton|home | uImage is definitely fiddled |
| 20:05.11 | SpaceMonkey | I really suspect you cant turn one back into a zImage |
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| 20:37.03 | wmat | SpaceMonkey: you should of told Linus he's looking sickly skinny ;) |
| 20:37.18 | wmat | SpaceMonkey: and then bought him a beer |
| 20:37.37 | SpaceMonkey | wmat: I did think he looked skinny myself? he is obviously not getting as much coding done as he once did |
| 20:40.03 | wmat | SpaceMonkey: I could use whatever program/diet he went on |
| 20:40.23 | wmat | SpaceMonkey: which was likely just exercise |
| 20:41.27 | SpaceMonkey | wmat: nah, he probably had a personal trainer, a sexy female one. |
| 20:43.40 | MothaWork | anybody in here happen to be good at designing SMPSs? |
| 20:45.37 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: around? |
| 20:47.40 | ds2 | no, vmlinux is built before uImage |
| 20:48.04 | ds2 | MothaWork: you mean following maxim datasheets with their parts? =) |
| 20:49.20 | CosmicPenguin | hi |
| 20:53.39 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: hey, you're the amd geode guy, right? |
| 20:53.45 | prpplague | s/guy/be#$%^ |
| 20:54.05 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: reason I ask is I have a CS5536 IDE controller, and I'm not seeing a driver |
| 20:54.26 | CosmicPenguin | its not loading |
| 20:54.29 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 20:54.29 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: the performance on the 'generic' ide driver is 1.3MBps |
| 20:54.58 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: no, I don't see even PCI ID in the kernel for 1022:209a |
| 20:55.04 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: kernel sources that is |
| 20:55.11 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: at least as of 2.6.22.1 |
| 20:55.40 | CosmicPenguin | are you using a db800? |
| 20:56.29 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: I see #define PCI_VENDOR_ID_AMD 0x1022 in pci_ids.h, not no corresponding DEVICE ID |
| 20:56.46 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: not sure what a db800 is ... I'm using a soekris net5501 |
| 20:57.35 | brad_mssw | hmm, actually I did find this from 2005: http://wwwd.amd.com/AMD/SReleaseF.nsf/weblookupdisplay/BEB59753C3E6EDAB872570BD0060721F?OpenDocument |
| 20:58.37 | brad_mssw | according to the patch, which is for 2.6.11, the amd74xx driver should support it ... |
| 20:59.11 | brad_mssw | crap, it's in the 2.6.22.1 as well |
| 20:59.14 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think you looked very hard |
| 20:59.16 | brad_mssw | why the heck isn't it working ... |
| 20:59.22 | brad_mssw | yeah, I found it |
| 20:59.23 | CosmicPenguin | #define PCI_DEVICE_ID_AMD_CS5536_IDE 0x209A |
| 20:59.32 | brad_mssw | i mixed up AMD/NS in my query |
| 20:59.38 | brad_mssw | CS5535 was NS |
| 20:59.56 | brad_mssw | eh, I'll figure it out, something stupid on my part probably |
| 21:00.26 | brad_mssw | sorry to bother you ... I thought the driver wasn't there at all for some reason ... it is, just need to figure out why its not working |
| 21:00.31 | CosmicPenguin | does your dmesg have lines that start with AMD55336? |
| 21:01.14 | brad_mssw | nope ... I'm actually wondering now if someone didn't load this image I'm using with the image we use on the net4801 |
| 21:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | it can be confusing, since the IDE will happily work without any sort of driver |
| 21:01.50 | CosmicPenguin | custom driver at least |
| 21:02.11 | CosmicPenguin | But you need the big guns for the DMA |
| 21:03.57 | CosmicPenguin | It is confusing, most people expect there to be a dedicated cs5536 driver for IDE |
| 21:04.10 | CosmicPenguin | but we pulled a fast one on everybody and just reused the 8111 IP |
| 21:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | since we had it laying around |
| 21:04.23 | brad_mssw | heh, well, you know, if it's laying around already |
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| 21:10.31 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: that's better ... AMD5536: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:14.2 |
| 21:10.37 | CosmicPenguin | ahhh |
| 21:10.39 | CosmicPenguin | swetness |
| 21:10.40 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: sorry to bother you ... simply wrong kernel image for that box |
| 21:10.42 | CosmicPenguin | weatness even |
| 21:10.48 | CosmicPenguin | not a problem - thats what I'm here for |
| 21:11.25 | brad_mssw | hmm, still showing 1.31MB/s |
| 21:12.01 | CosmicPenguin | what does hdparm -I say |
| 21:12.02 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 21:12.05 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: should this message be worrisome .. AMD5536: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS) |
| 21:12.09 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 21:12.13 | CosmicPenguin | ohh - maybe |
| 21:12.19 | CosmicPenguin | does the drive work? |
| 21:12.27 | brad_mssw | yeah, booted off of it |
| 21:12.31 | ds2 | isn't there a /proc/ide/something entry to id if there is a enhanced driver attached? |
| 21:12.36 | brad_mssw | it's a CF card |
| 21:13.02 | brad_mssw | /proc/ide/hdb/driver says ide-disk version 1.18 |
| 21:13.18 | CosmicPenguin | is there an /proc/ide/amd74xx file? |
| 21:13.36 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 21:13.53 | CosmicPenguin | cat it |
| 21:14.09 | brad_mssw | what info in it are you looking for in particular? |
| 21:14.23 | CosmicPenguin | pastebin it |
| 21:14.28 | CosmicPenguin | if yo ucan |
| 21:14.33 | ds2 | it may be slow if it is a CF card |
| 21:14.41 | CosmicPenguin | what is the transfer mode for drive0? |
| 21:14.44 | ds2 | lots of those don't do UDMA, etc |
| 21:14.46 | brad_mssw | ds2: the same card gets 15MBps in a net4801 |
| 21:15.03 | brad_mssw | http://pastebin.com/m475bdad4 |
| 21:15.04 | CosmicPenguin | there's a difference between bandwidth and DMA mode |
| 21:15.06 | ds2 | brad_mssw: is it using TrueIDE or memory mapped on the net4801? |
| 21:15.17 | brad_mssw | ide afaik |
| 21:15.50 | CosmicPenguin | brad_mssw: can you run hdpam -I on /dev/hda? |
| 21:16.23 | brad_mssw | http://pastebin.com/m30932b8d |
| 21:18.42 | brad_mssw | here is a dmesg snippet too: http://pastebin.com/m61e38e53 |
| 21:18.50 | CosmicPenguin | brad_mssw: how about hdparm -d ? |
| 21:18.52 | CosmicPenguin | is using_dma on? |
| 21:19.30 | brad_mssw | hdparm -d gives me invalid option ... this is busybox's hdparm |
| 21:19.44 | brad_mssw | but hdparm -X 66 /dev/hdb works |
| 21:19.45 | CosmicPenguin | I thought busybox hdparm supported -d? |
| 21:19.52 | CosmicPenguin | that'll do too, I guess |
| 21:19.55 | brad_mssw | I thought so too |
| 21:20.14 | brad_mssw | it started off in mdma1 mode, and -X 66 put it into udma2 mode |
| 21:20.20 | CosmicPenguin | well - it looks like your drive can do the dma modes |
| 21:20.27 | CosmicPenguin | but it is working at PIO speeds |
| 21:20.33 | brad_mssw | Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 3.06 seconds = 1.31 MB/sec |
| 21:20.42 | CosmicPenguin | I figure because using_dma is off |
| 21:21.07 | CosmicPenguin | I forgot how to bang that with busybox |
| 21:21.31 | prpplague | this keyboard code is like 500 if/else statements |
| 21:21.38 | brad_mssw | hmm, the driver shouldn't default to that though? I know the driver on the net4801 didn't require any hdparm tweaks |
| 21:21.55 | CosmicPenguin | it sould |
| 21:22.01 | CosmicPenguin | but mabye something got in the way |
| 21:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | CF drives are never reliable when it comes to DMA |
| 21:23.22 | CosmicPenguin | The speed you are operating at, the speed you want to operate at and the bandwidth of the connection are often three different things |
| 21:23.26 | CosmicPenguin | stupid IDE |
| 21:23.32 | brad_mssw | hmm |
| 21:23.48 | brad_mssw | think I should just install the real hdparm? |
| 21:23.56 | brad_mssw | and 'force' it? |
| 21:24.08 | CosmicPenguin | at least see if its set |
| 21:26.41 | brad_mssw | ok, compiled and copied over |
| 21:26.55 | brad_mssw | using_dma = 0 (off) |
| 21:27.14 | brad_mssw | should I run hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb ? |
| 21:28.24 | ds2 | hdb?! |
| 21:28.36 | CosmicPenguin | give it a swing |
| 21:28.45 | ds2 | I seem to recall reading TrueIDE doesn't like having a slave device |
| 21:29.11 | brad_mssw | ds2: yeah, it's the way the net5501 is wired ... there's an IDE connector and a CF connector on the board |
| 21:29.24 | brad_mssw | ds2: both on the primary ide bus ... |
| 21:29.35 | brad_mssw | so I guess IDE is master, CF is slave |
| 21:29.44 | ds2 | brad_mssw: I know I worked on something that was wired like that and it was nothing but trouble |
| 21:30.00 | ds2 | at the end we just obsoleted the design but I seem to recall reading a spec saying that is not allowed |
| 21:30.01 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 21:32.04 | CosmicPenguin | odd |
| 21:32.18 | CosmicPenguin | I guess it has figured you don't get to do DMA |
| 21:32.30 | brad_mssw | I guess so |
| 21:32.38 | CosmicPenguin | Can you plug a hard drive into the other connector? |
| 21:32.40 | brad_mssw | really wondering if it has to do with the 'bios' thing |
| 21:32.51 | CosmicPenguin | it might, but I don't think so |
| 21:33.07 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: I'd need to get an adapter for that ... |
| 21:33.07 | CosmicPenguin | not sure exactly what sort of BIOS tings we sould do |
| 21:33.16 | CosmicPenguin | which BIOS does it use? |
| 21:33.56 | brad_mssw | comBIOS |
| 21:34.12 | brad_mssw | just that one message got me: AMD5536: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS) |
| 21:34.44 | CosmicPenguin | Well - lets see what that means |
| 21:37.05 | CosmicPenguin | maybe the bits aren't set |
| 21:37.19 | brad_mssw | ? |
| 21:38.10 | CosmicPenguin | do a lspci -xxx on device 1022:209a |
| 21:39.06 | brad_mssw | http://pastebin.com/m66533d63 |
| 21:40.24 | CosmicPenguin | that doesn't look too promising th me |
| 21:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | to me even |
| 21:40.31 | brad_mssw | :( |
| 21:40.32 | CosmicPenguin | 0x40 should have a 1 in it |
| 21:41.05 | prpplague | man o' man is this ugly code |
| 21:41.18 | prpplague | nothing like trying to fit 10k worth of code into 4k of flash |
| 21:41.43 | brad_mssw | crap ... I've got to go ... |
| 21:41.48 | ds2 | self modifying compressed code? ;) |
| 21:41.55 | brad_mssw | CosmicPenguin: I may ping you tomorrow ... thanks for your help |
| 21:42.22 | CosmicPenguin | no problem |
| 21:43.14 | prpplague | ds2: not that fancy, just a atmega48 |
| 21:53.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:53.48 | prpplague | i soooooo hate trying to deal with patches upstream on the kernel |
| 21:54.29 | prpplague | almost not worth while |
| 21:57.46 | CosmicPenguin | don't take it so personally.. :) |
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| 22:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | why is it so damn diffuclt to build kernel packages in Ubuntu? |
| 22:05.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its hard not to take it personal |
| 22:05.31 | CosmicPenguin | all distributions and build systems everywhere suck |
| 22:05.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when i fight to get time to submit the stuff, then people act like the couldn't give a rats ass |
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| 22:45.58 | MonMotha | "autocad 2008 Retail price $6720 our price: US $ 129.95 You save - $6590 " |
| 22:46.03 | MonMotha | do people really believe that's legit in any way? |
| 22:47.05 | ds2 | depends on how big a PoS you think autocad is ;) |
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