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| 13:13.29 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 13:13.31 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 13:13.33 | prpplague | Exiles: ping |
| 13:13.35 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
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| 13:17.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: morning |
| 13:17.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day.. |
| 13:17.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: you get openocd working with the flyswatter and reload your bootloader? |
| 13:19.14 | GPSFan | yep, it seems it likes to be run as root... got the new apex flashed, and the new kernel. Had problems with the rootfs. The buildroot from the cd has some issues with the target skeleton. it's missing a bunch of things like /proc. |
| 13:19.43 | GPSFan | I did a few wiki updates too. |
| 13:20.17 | prpplague | ahh good deal |
| 13:20.27 | GPSFan | wanted to wait to see what you said about the buildroot rootfs issue before I launched into a rebuild. |
| 13:20.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, openocd requries access to the hardware, you can set openocd as setuid |
| 13:21.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, there were some things that got missed in the buildroot |
| 13:21.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: cleaning those up now along with add the bootloader and kernel into buildroot |
| 13:21.39 | GPSFan | the snapshot from yesterday has most of the skeleton stuf fixed. |
| 13:22.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh ok, i don't have the hammer as a build in the main buildroot tree yet, but you can just run the generic build |
| 13:23.23 | GPSFan | well, without /proc, nothing works. |
| 13:23.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: the only items you'd need to change are the dev build list, add the ttySAC0/1/2/3 devices |
| 13:23.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: and inittab to add the getty for the ttySAC0 |
| 13:24.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, /proc is there, just doesn't get mounted properly |
| 13:24.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've already fixed it in my cvs tree |
| 13:24.24 | GPSFan | yeah, that's good. |
| 13:25.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: when adding new howto's make sure you pref it with Hammer |
| 13:25.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: so we know that its a hammer related page |
| 13:25.24 | GPSFan | ah, ok |
| 13:28.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: did you find out why your device got bricked in the first place? |
| 13:28.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: was your apex build incorrect? |
| 13:30.16 | GPSFan | prpplague: I must have made a typo when I set the regions the first time. 'cause I re-did it from scratch, and it worked fine. I even ssent the new version of apex via jtag and that worked too. Don't know what happened, but Jtag iscertainly MY friend... |
| 13:30.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:30.59 | prpplague | indeed |
| 13:31.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: so you like the jtag dongle? |
| 13:32.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: once over the hump of rebuilding openocd, and solving the run-as-root issue, it "just worked" (tm) |
| 13:32.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: good deal |
| 13:32.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats the kind of info we were looking for |
| 13:32.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: once I got apex loaded again, I haven't used it since. |
| 13:32.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: looks like most everything is good, just need better docs |
| 13:33.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i really on use jtag when i'm debugging or debricking |
| 13:33.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: but its handy to have when you need it |
| 13:34.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: so you've been tinkering with it for a little now, how do you feel the general public is going to react to the board? |
| 13:34.28 | GPSFan | I only have used jtag in a debugging situation when I was porting kernel 2.6.?? to my a3000. |
| 13:34.43 | GPSFan | de-bricking is very handy too. |
| 13:35.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: (the hammer that is) |
| 13:36.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: somewhat frustrated over the lack of kernel & rootfs not being identical to what the cd builds. but I think the hardware is solid, and the tools are all that a dev should need. Improve the docs and it looks like a swell piece of kit. |
| 13:37.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, that was a problem on our part, but again this was a beta, we kind of expect those problems |
| 13:37.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: the actual release will be checked several times |
| 13:38.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's what a beta is for, you shouldn't have those problems when you do the production release |
| 13:38.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 13:38.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: any feedback from the other beta people? |
| 13:39.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: i got some from samuelr a week or so ago |
| 13:39.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: it confirmed some of your observations about getting up and running |
| 13:39.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've not heard much from Exiles or jbevren |
| 13:40.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: t0mw has a board he's sent out for prototyping for the hammer |
| 13:40.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: but other than that, you are the only one doing any consistant feedback |
| 13:40.28 | GPSFan | k |
| 13:40.43 | GPSFan | hope it's helped.. |
| 13:40.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: i had hoped for more excitment and movement on the wiki |
| 13:40.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: been great |
| 13:41.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: the kind of stuff you are doing is what i was looking for |
| 13:42.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: how do you think the board will be seen by developers? |
| 13:42.30 | GPSFan | well, the new apex & kernel are flashed, but I need to re-do the rootfs. are you going to have a new buildroot available soon? if not, I'll go ahead and fix the issues myself, so I can continue the ethernet testing. |
| 13:43.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: most of it is fixed, but i'm really behind on my schedule |
| 13:43.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i might be able to get around to posting till later this week |
| 13:43.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i'd say, run with it |
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| 13:45.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: re. dev's. I'd see this as a good alternate to the gumstick, and several of the cirrus boards that Olimex is still not producing (9315). being able to integrate it into a product without expensive hi density surface mount connectors it a real plus. |
| 13:45.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: and the price range of $159 for single units? |
| 13:45.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: ok, I'll fix my buildroot, won't be pretty, but it will work. |
| 13:45.53 | GPSFan | Maybe later today. |
| 13:46.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: pretty is relative to how many beers you have ahd |
| 13:46.39 | GPSFan | $159/1 is ok, especially since it is just about a complete system. |
| 13:46.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: wish list? |
| 13:47.17 | GPSFan | let me work on that for a bit. |
| 13:47.38 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 13:47.53 | GPSFan | one thing is I wish the enc28j60 chip didn't get as hot, but that's not your problem. |
| 13:49.43 | GPSFan | I remember the first "single chip etherent" I got prototypes of, ... from Fujitsu, 1" square ceramic PGA, needed external memory, & a couple of PALs (did I san single chip...) took about 5 watts... |
| 13:51.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i noticed that about the enc28j60 |
| 13:51.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: not sure if there is something that can be done about that |
| 13:51.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: i have noticed that alot of high bandwidth spi/sdio devices seem to run warm |
| 13:52.20 | GPSFan | I was going to poke around in the docs to see if there are any power saving modes. |
| 13:52.39 | prpplague | yea i believe there are some |
| 13:54.36 | GPSFan | oh one other thing I noticed about the rootfs, the one that came on the flash was uClibc 0.9.28, the one the buildroot from the cd built is 0.9.29 |
| 13:55.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, that was the main problem, we'd started out with a different buildroot, and switched, when we did the cd, somehow the old binaries got copied to the cd |
| 13:56.07 | GPSFan | yeah, but the newbuildroot built a rootfs that doesn't work. |
| 13:56.15 | GPSFan | the old bins work ok. |
| 13:56.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: AML doesn't normally do those kinds of CD's for our customers, so the layout is a little new for what we do |
| 13:56.43 | GPSFan | ok, no problem, that's beta debugging. |
| 13:56.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, the buildroot that was exported didn't have everything checked into cvs |
| 13:57.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: most of the support work is being done as a "side project" for our employees |
| 13:57.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: so we are still getting organized on the support side to handle it |
| 13:58.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: little different type of biz that we are used to |
| 13:58.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: I missed you twice this weekend, you pingged and I didn't see it for a few hours, by then your session had timed out and you didn't come back. |
| 13:59.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea for some reason i'm having problems with irc on my home network |
| 13:59.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: haven't had time to track it down |
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| 14:09.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: so.... if you saw the the Hammer Eval Kit for $229.00 you think you'd be interested in it? |
| 14:11.00 | prpplague | Crofton: interesting, basically SCO's entire accounting staff either quit or was fired on friday |
| 14:11.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: sorry I had to step out for a bit. At $229, it's cheaper than many. and you get something thathas good built in interfaces, and is easisly upgraded to networking, either by a usb dongle, or a enc28j60. |
| 14:11.07 | Crofton | heh |
| 14:11.09 | Crofton | awesome |
| 14:11.17 | prpplague | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070917072753835 |
| 14:12.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i think for our next carrier board we will add a .1" solder pad area to add the olimex enc28j60 board |
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| 14:26.52 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: you up yet? |
| 14:27.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't think he's made it into the office yet |
| 14:39.53 | CosmicPenguin | hello |
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| 14:47.06 | CosmicPenguin | This is the chewiest muffin I've ever had |
| 14:47.55 | CosmicPenguin | Making a scone into a muffin shape doesn't count |
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| 15:08.56 | prpplague | samuelr: greetings |
| 15:09.01 | CosmicPenguin | didn't sjhill ring? |
| 15:09.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 15:09.12 | CosmicPenguin | must have gone to work |
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| 15:15.25 | CosmicPenguin | The bottom of that mocha was pure chocolate syrup - I got a mouth full |
| 15:15.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:15.33 | CosmicPenguin | so I'm gonna be wired! |
| 15:15.52 | CosmicPenguin | Not going back to that coffee shop |
| 15:20.00 | CosmicPenguin | you might see a lot more x86 idiots crashing buildroot |
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| 15:47.07 | GPSFan | prpplague: which build of buildroot did you use for the cd? |
| 15:50.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: should have the date on it |
| 15:51.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: don't have the date handy, i'll have to look, but it was around the middle of august |
| 15:51.29 | GPSFan | of 2007? |
| 15:51.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 15:51.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: august 21, 2007 |
| 15:51.52 | GPSFan | thanks.. |
| 15:51.57 | prpplague | np |
| 16:00.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: somehow the buildroot/target/generic/target_skeleton dir from the 8/21 snapshot got truncated to only etc, root and usr on the buildroot tarball on the cd. That's one reason why it doesn't work |
| 16:03.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats normal |
| 16:03.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: it builds differently |
| 16:03.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: the buildroot/target/generic/target_busybox_skeleton dir also got truncated to contain only etc. |
| 16:04.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm |
| 16:04.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: that doesn't sound right |
| 16:04.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll have a look as soon as i can |
| 16:05.37 | GPSFan | np, just documenting what I see as a problem, IIRC wasn't makedevs supposed to read devices.txt and make all the appropriate entries? in the final rootfs? |
| 16:06.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 16:06.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: usually if you do a fresh build you have to removed the .root file as well as the root entry |
| 16:06.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: other wise it breaks |
| 16:07.38 | GPSFan | where would the .root file be? |
| 16:08.21 | GPSFan | found it (at least one .root) |
| 16:08.57 | GPSFan | when I rebuilt my toolchain, I started from a clean untar of the cd buildroot. |
| 16:13.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry, real busy at the momment |
| 16:14.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: no problem, don't fret it.. |
| 16:19.27 | samuelr | prpplague: Holla |
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| 16:32.41 | prpplague | samuelr: whats cookin? |
| 16:32.51 | prpplague | samuelr: any updates on your hammer hacking? |
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| 16:57.45 | samuelr | prpplague: Got back from vacation Sat. night - still trying to recover :-) |
| 16:58.21 | samuelr | 7 days of beach + swimming with 3 little girls is an interesting definition of "relaxing" |
| 16:59.40 | samuelr | I'll probably take a look at it again tonight. |
| 17:00.28 | samuelr | I've seen the new links on the hammer board page on elinux.org - hope to get you something interesting this week. |
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| 17:06.13 | prpplague | samuelr: ahh good deal |
| 17:07.47 | chouimat | yay internet!!! |
| 17:09.32 | prpplague | samuelr: where did you head off to? |
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| 17:37.11 | samuelr | prpplague: Avon, NC - in the Outer Banks, just above Cape Hatteras. |
| 17:39.30 | Crofton | samuelr, nice place |
| 17:39.37 | Crofton | I have windsurfed there |
| 17:41.56 | samuelr | Crofton: Yep. It's fantastic if you like any sort of sun & sand related activity :-) |
| 17:43.30 | Crofton | yeah |
| 17:43.49 | Crofton | even burying yourself in the sand and waiting for the tide to come in |
| 17:46.14 | samuelr | Ah! I *knew* there was something I forgot to do... |
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| 18:11.54 | Crofton | Thanks, I'll update the queue and send the same old pending patches to |
| 18:11.54 | Crofton | Russell asap. |
| 18:12.01 | Crofton | from the OMAP linux list ... |
| 18:12.40 | prpplague | samuelr: ahh interesting |
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| 18:29.24 | T0mW | prpplague: parts + stencil + PCB are now on order. |
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| 18:45.58 | ds2 | morning |
| 18:48.36 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 18:48.44 | ds2 | hey T0mW... you still got them zipit boards? |
| 18:48.53 | T0mW | ds2: yes |
| 18:49.16 | ds2 | T0mW: for a complete idiot, what is the estimate time to install one of those? (IYO) |
| 18:49.41 | T0mW | ds2: about 90 minutes, including cutting the case cutouts. |
| 18:50.01 | ds2 | cool |
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| 19:02.51 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin monday |
| 19:03.00 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 19:20.12 | T0mW | prpplague: plap |
| 19:20.44 | T0mW | prpplague: just juggling a bunch of stuff here today |
| 19:21.09 | T0mW | ~quote scox |
| 19:21.22 | T0mW | :-D |
| 19:21.43 | T0mW | lart scox for being such stupid idiots |
| 19:21.51 | T0mW | ~lart scox for being such stupid idiots |
| 19:21.51 | purl | executes killall -HUP scox for being such stupid idiots |
| 19:22.30 | T0mW | hmm, maybe killall -TERM scox would have been more appropriate? |
| 19:22.53 | ds2 | why is the delist taking so long? |
| 19:23.17 | T0mW | procedures, they try to give a company time to correct themselves. |
| 19:23.42 | ds2 | that's like giving time for a boulder to roll back up hill |
| 19:24.45 | T0mW | In this case, yes. In other cases, it may be making some hard choices to regain investor confidence: selling off an unprofitable unit, doing 3:1 stock merges, etc. |
| 19:25.36 | T0mW | IMHO, SCOX will die kicking and screaming to the last |
| 19:25.43 | prpplague | T0mW: np |
| 19:26.47 | T0mW`ZZZzzzzzzz | nap time |
| 19:41.33 | chouimat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.03 | agaffney | wow |
| 19:46.58 | Crofton | YAY |
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| 21:09.00 | cbrake | prpplague: what would you say the state of the Marvell SDIO/SPI WiFi drivers are now -- writing a blog article and polling for the latest state. |
| 21:11.27 | prpplague | cbrake: pretty functional |
| 21:11.32 | prpplague | cbrake: needs lots of testing |
| 21:11.44 | cbrake | prpplague: are the latest patches at Linuxtogo? |
| 21:11.54 | prpplague | cbrake: i assume you are refering to the opensource version |
| 21:12.01 | cbrake | prpplague: right |
| 21:12.16 | prpplague | cbrake: no, its been mergered into the libertas driver support as well as ossmans mmc git tree |
| 21:12.46 | prpplague | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/drzeus/mmc.git;a=shortlog;h=sdio |
| 21:14.12 | prpplague | cbrake: current issues are the fact that the firmware has to be extracted from a winblows driver |
| 21:14.20 | cbrake | prpplague: heh |
| 21:14.26 | cbrake | prpplague: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 21:14.41 | cbrake | prpplague: I can't really figure out what the openmoko folks are doing with the atheros stuff |
| 21:14.52 | prpplague | http://www.pastebin.ca/701121 |
| 21:14.58 | cbrake | prpplague: there is a driver in their svn, but no idea where it came from |
| 21:15.09 | prpplague | cbrake: because at the time the ar6k was the only one that was 100% open |
| 21:15.24 | prpplague | cbrake: yea it was donated by atheros about 6 months ago |
| 21:15.33 | cbrake | prpplague: ahh, ok |
| 21:15.33 | prpplague | cbrake: just hasn't had much press coverage |
| 21:15.56 | prpplague | cbrake: one sec url |
| 21:16.32 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6177996610.html |
| 21:17.50 | cbrake | prpplague: is there any relation to this SDIO stack and the one Nico and ossman are working on? |
| 21:22.38 | prpplague | cbrake: no, not really, ossman has done his more independently |
| 21:22.49 | cbrake | prpplague: that is what I thought |
| 21:22.58 | prpplague | cbrake: you'd have to check with ossman for the exact details |
| 21:23.28 | prpplague | cbrake: but there is an enough difference that ossmans is on the way to being in the main tree whereas the other is not |
| 21:23.45 | cbrake | prpplague: nod |
| 21:24.22 | prpplague | cbrake: ossman usually hangs in #libertas and #olpc |
| 21:24.52 | prpplague | cbrake: he is pretty approachable as long as you don't get silly or waste his time |
| 21:25.06 | cbrake | prpplague: thanks, I'll start listening there as well then |
| 21:29.34 | prpplague | cbrake: the main problem we've had with th e zcomax modules is getting the mating connector |
| 21:29.54 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, that looks like a nasty connector -- must have all the CF signals on it as well? |
| 21:30.14 | cbrake | prpplague: I've heard rumors of a solder down version which would be nice |
| 21:32.18 | prpplague | cbrake: yea all the cf are present |
| 21:32.36 | prpplague | cbrake: the solder down versions are are bga style packaging |
| 21:32.46 | prpplague | cbrake: or atleast the ones i've seen |
| 21:33.02 | cbrake | prpplague: yes, that is what I've seen |
| 21:37.34 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 22:23.18 | GPSFan | prpplague: first iperf test gives 2.3mbps one way and 837kbps the other way. Still lots of buildroot problems, I'm slogging through it slowly. |
| 22:31.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: which direction was 2.3mbps ? |
| 22:31.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: server was my desktop, client the hammer |
| 22:32.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: so the data was going from server to client? |
| 22:33.40 | GPSFan | I believe that's how it works. |
| 22:36.10 | GPSFan | still having problems with the rootfs. for some reason the ramdisk isn't being remounted rw, I have to do that by hand, and usb mass storage isn't working. The read only fs issue is definately the rootfs, since both the origina and new kernels do the same thing, and the new kernel and old rootfs work as expected. |
| 22:36.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: the remount is done in the inittab |
| 22:36.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be an entry for that |
| 22:36.57 | GPSFan | yes I use the same inittab in both cases. |
| 22:37.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: gotta run bbiab |
| 22:37.21 | GPSFan | it just isn't happening, all the other VFSs are being mounted. |
| 22:37.24 | GPSFan | bye. |
| 22:38.34 | MonMotha | my GOD MySQL sucks ass |
| 22:38.56 | MonMotha | when a power failure causes you to lose more data than you've got in a 2 week old backup, the thing SUCKS |
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