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| 13:23.45 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:59.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey.. I got a quick question for ya. |
| 13:59.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: go ahead shoot |
| 13:59.29 | GPSFan | ever seen an error message like this: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using s3c2410-ohci and address 4 |
| 13:59.29 | GPSFan | usb 1-1: device not accepting address 4, error -62 |
| 14:00.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: generally thats a problem with the upll not set properly |
| 14:00.55 | GPSFan | well I started getting it out of the hammer yesterday, any usb device I try gives it, and I've reverted to the cd kernel too. |
| 14:02.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: that clock setting is done in the apex bootloader |
| 14:02.11 | GPSFan | could it be the new apex I flashed? not setting up upll |
| 14:02.28 | Crofton | ~quote scox |
| 14:02.29 | GPSFan | that would be good news.. |
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| 14:03.09 | Crofton | ~quote ARMHY |
| 14:03.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep, looks like the upll change to apex didn't get commited to cvs |
| 14:03.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll export a fresh apex tar ball and post it on the wiki |
| 14:03.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: bbl, lots to do today, hope to get back to the hammer later this evening. I did a few wiki updates lant night. |
| 14:03.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: good deal |
| 14:07.01 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297289,00.html |
| 14:14.06 | chouimat | prpplague: OUCH |
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| 16:22.15 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 16:22.28 | T0mW | prpplague: morning |
| 16:22.31 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW |
| 16:22.31 | purl | pours gasoline all over T0mW, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:22.39 | prpplague | T0mW: where's my email? hehe |
| 16:22.49 | T0mW | ooo! that sounds like fun! |
| 16:23.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:23.03 | T0mW | marshmallows! |
| 16:23.12 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah yeah |
| 16:23.15 | T0mW | prpplague: I know |
| 16:23.38 | T0mW | prpplague: I had to get some coding done to keep this new customer "interested" |
| 16:23.39 | prpplague | T0mW: i have to make sure i can show the boss that we are getting our moneys worth on the freebie hardware |
| 16:23.44 | prpplague | T0mW: np |
| 16:24.18 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, I'll pay for it. No problem there. |
| 16:24.28 | prpplague | T0mW: GPSFan has been working hard to gurrantee himself more freebie hardware, hehe |
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| 16:24.34 | T0mW | prpplague: I'll get that out |
| 16:25.06 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, like i said, we were mainly looking for feedback, just need to show the boss we got some |
| 16:25.13 | T0mW | k |
| 16:28.19 | T0mW | prpplague: I seem to be selling more of those zipit boards lately. Maybe have to build some more boards as the stock is getting low |
| 16:29.14 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 16:29.32 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, need a zipit knock-off made with the hammer board |
| 16:50.33 | T0mW | prpplague: sent |
| 16:58.38 | T0mW | prpplague: now you'll get that email and start calling me a whiner? |
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| 17:37.48 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:38.58 | ds2 | morning |
| 17:40.52 | prpplague | ds2: greetings |
| 17:41.03 | prpplague | ds2: most of the issues you've reported we've already addressed |
| 17:41.05 | prpplague | oops |
| 17:41.10 | prpplague | ds2: sorry that was T0mW |
| 17:41.16 | prpplague | T0mW: most of the issues you've reported we've already addressed |
| 17:41.19 | ds2 | while that may be true... ;) |
| 17:41.44 | ds2 | the more accurate one is _ALL_ of the issues... seeing I've reported none ;) hehe |
| 17:41.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:41.55 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, so you have my vote that you did the right thing. :-) |
| 17:42.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:42.36 | prpplague | T0mW: the 5v power supply has been removed from the carrier and replaced with a 5v wall wort |
| 17:42.48 | prpplague | T0mW: the carrier still has a 3.3v |
| 17:43.30 | prpplague | T0mW: we will be placing some epoxy over the caps at the end of hammer board to help with the removal of the pcb |
| 17:44.24 | prpplague | T0mW: the usb slave detect isn't always nessary, you can use the usb slave without it, we just provide an option for people to wire it up if they need it |
| 17:45.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i have most of the sd/mmc read functionality working in apex so that it will read the kernel from the sd/mmc card |
| 17:45.31 | prpplague | T0mW: however i'm still working on some of the issues regarding the sd/mmc spi driver under linux itself |
| 17:46.16 | prpplague | T0mW: we might consider removing the ADC's on the next rev of the board |
| 17:46.43 | T0mW | nod |
| 17:46.51 | prpplague | T0mW: the next rev will be more oriented towards mobile uses and be designed to run on 2/3/4 AA batteries |
| 17:47.18 | ds2 | so no more onboard support for touch films? |
| 17:47.33 | prpplague | ds2: it doesn't have support for touchscreen now |
| 17:47.42 | ds2 | thought that's what the ADCs are for? |
| 17:48.01 | prpplague | they can be used for that, but there isn't enough available to do a TS support |
| 17:48.52 | prpplague | ds2: the adc's were primarily added to do sampling of things such as battery voltage or low end audio capture |
| 17:49.04 | ds2 | ah different form |
| 17:49.50 | prpplague | T0mW: my question is, do we really need both usb ports? |
| 17:50.11 | prpplague | T0mW: if we had one port that could works as usb host or usb slave, isn't that really enough? |
| 17:50.43 | prpplague | T0mW: i just don't know if very many people will use it with one as host and one as slave |
| 17:50.49 | T0mW | prpplague: not sure |
| 17:51.02 | T0mW | prpplague: have to think about that |
| 17:53.25 | prpplague | T0mW: anyway, for Hammer-lite, we'll drop the 5v input, add nBattFault add VddAlive, and add the RTC power |
| 17:54.01 | prpplague | T0mW: probably drop the ADC's |
| 17:54.18 | prpplague | T0mW: still struggling with the jtag connector |
| 17:54.28 | prpplague | T0mW: i get a pretty good 50/50 split on those |
| 17:54.36 | prpplague | T0mW: 50% like it, 50% don't |
| 17:55.45 | T0mW | prpplague: think of it this way, if you leave the ability to solder the missing connector on, then everyone would be happy (always somebody would bitch). |
| 17:56.23 | T0mW | prpplague: hmm, I see. |
| 17:56.35 | prpplague | T0mW: problem with that is it is a support/warranty issue |
| 17:56.36 | T0mW | prpplague: the Flash memory needs the JTAG to do updates. |
| 17:56.44 | prpplague | T0mW: ?? |
| 17:57.03 | T0mW | prpplague: program the bootloader, etc. |
| 17:57.34 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, we could still make the jtag available, but with small connectors |
| 17:57.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i.e. a flex cable similiar to what the neo1973 uses |
| 17:57.58 | T0mW | prpplague: I think that a card-edge of some kind would make everyone happy? |
| 17:58.23 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, problem with that is we wil have to provide an adapter, extra costs |
| 17:58.40 | T0mW | prpplague: fpc is a PITA to use |
| 17:59.00 | T0mW | prpplague: fpc cable (jumpers) is expensive! |
| 17:59.23 | prpplague | T0mW: we already use them in products so we have them in bulk |
| 18:02.10 | T0mW | prpplague: well, stay with the "experimenter" model of a 40pin dip. Then come out with the "pro" version with an SODIMM format, that way you can bring out more stuff. Doing surface mount is not that hard, but it takes someone who is commited to building / designing things. For the average Joe-Beer-on-Sunday-Hack-my-iPOD, the dip40 is ok. |
| 18:02.32 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, we aren't going to do sodimm |
| 18:02.49 | prpplague | T0mW: the larger package will be an 80 pin one similiar to what i sent you |
| 18:03.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, _ALL_ of our product releases will be .1" compatible |
| 18:03.22 | T0mW | prpplague: the "M7210-B" ? |
| 18:04.14 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats the 80-pin .1" header one right? |
| 18:05.26 | T0mW | prpplague: no, that is the 140pin (?) SODIMM you sent me |
| 18:06.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i also sent you an 80-pin 0.1" package |
| 18:07.30 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I saw that one too but didn't get any info on either one |
| 18:07.44 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW |
| 18:07.44 | purl | offers T0mW some herring |
| 18:07.57 | prpplague | T0mW: i email'd you the schematics for both, hehe |
| 18:08.03 | prpplague | T0mW: i'll resend them |
| 18:08.46 | T0mW | prpplague: they prolly got spammed into the junk bin |
| 18:09.38 | T0mW | I don't even bother to look into the junk folder anymore, too much in there and it is sometimes uncomfortable to read some of the subject lines. |
| 18:25.34 | prpplague | T0mW: please do not distribute either schematic |
| 18:25.55 | prpplague | T0mW: snt |
| 18:25.57 | prpplague | sent |
| 18:26.17 | ds2 | prpplague: request - a version w/o pins stuffed would be very nice to have |
| 18:26.46 | prpplague | ds2: yea that has been proposed, the problem we have with that is how to cover it under warranty |
| 18:27.00 | ds2 | prpplague: there is a warranty?! |
| 18:27.14 | ds2 | I thought it is like all other dev boards.... you touch with an iron, you own it |
| 18:27.19 | prpplague | ds2: joe-smoe-moron uses a 30-watt iron to solder to it, how the heck are we suppose to cover that if it burns up? |
| 18:27.28 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 18:28.00 | ds2 | soldering iron removes any waranty is the assumption I am making |
| 18:30.50 | ds2 | maybe provide 2 paths - 1. board w/o wararanty. 2. for warranty, you must use a special socked board |
| 18:34.36 | ds2 | from the pictures, there seems to be no good way of stripping out the pins safely |
| 18:35.36 | prpplague | ds2: yea it would be hard to remove the 40-pin dip pins |
| 18:35.54 | prpplague | ds2: why would you need to do so?(jsut curious) |
| 18:36.06 | ds2 | prpplague: Z height |
| 18:36.25 | ds2 | remember I was telling about thoughts of building a phone around it? |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | ds2: ahh, yea, if i were going to build a phone around a TCT product it would be the hammer-lite or the sledge hammer |
| 18:37.07 | prpplague | ds2: not sure that the hammer really fits that bill |
| 18:37.31 | ds2 | prpplague: i can only think around things I have seen... don't think pix for either of those two are out |
| 18:37.45 | ds2 | and there are really only 2 candidates - icky connectors on a gumstix or the hammer family |
| 18:38.42 | prpplague | ds2: hmm, i thought i had a pic of the sledge up on the wiki |
| 18:39.11 | ds2 | I saw the partial thing on the palm of someone's hand |
| 18:39.15 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 18:39.40 | ds2 | that's the pix but no idea what the height is on that |
| 18:39.56 | prpplague | ds2: same as the hammer |
| 18:39.59 | ds2 | or more importantly, the differences ;) |
| 18:40.37 | prpplague | ds2: the sledge hammer has all the audio available, touchscreen, full tft lcd support, and full battery based suspend/resume |
| 18:40.57 | prpplague | ds2: about 7.5mm tall |
| 18:41.07 | ds2 | prpplague: ah that's where I got the idea of touch screen support from |
| 18:41.21 | ds2 | it looks wider then normal DIP-40, is that an illusion? |
| 18:41.41 | prpplague | ds2: it is wider than a normal dip-40 |
| 18:41.48 | prpplague | ds2: its a DIL-80 package |
| 18:42.11 | ds2 | so it has about 4x the area of a DIP40? (not familiar with DIL80) |
| 18:42.19 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:42.29 | ds2 | oh |
| 18:43.01 | ds2 | that requires different thinking.. with the DIP40 form factor, I could squeeze in a battery controller/charge controller board next to it |
| 18:43.52 | prpplague | ds2: you could still use the hammer-lite |
| 18:44.25 | ds2 | same comments as before... can't think about stuff that I don't see/know =) |
| 18:45.00 | prpplague | ds2: hammer-lite == hammer + low power design |
| 18:45.52 | ds2 | ah |
| 18:46.10 | ds2 | that'd be nice |
| 18:46.29 | ds2 | but that lacks the 2.4V input support, right? |
| 18:47.02 | prpplague | ds2: low power design == power source driven with 2/3/4 AA's |
| 18:47.10 | ds2 | Oh |
| 18:47.19 | ds2 | I need to put everything you said in a table! |
| 19:06.37 | prpplague | T0mW: ok so how about a piggy-back board for the hammer that has a usb slave connector which will power the board, and a micro-sd slot? |
| 19:09.37 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe some others would like that, just what I had in my list would be it. The design is ok |
| 19:10.09 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i was just talking about additional boards to plug the hammer into |
| 19:12.15 | prpplague | T0mW: btw |
| 19:12.22 | prpplague | T0mW: if you need one more EINT |
| 19:12.30 | prpplague | T0mW: desolder the onboard led |
| 19:12.32 | prpplague | T0mW: and use it |
| 19:17.00 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, whats the amperage for the 3.3v powersupply on your board? |
| 19:21.36 | prpplague | T0mW: you could do a whitewire mod on the hammer to use 3.3v only power input and add the onboard led as EINT0/GPF0 on the extra pin |
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