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| 12:47.52 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:03.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day, any chance for that apex today? |
| 14:03.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: its done of course, just been swampped |
| 14:03.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: give me a momment and i'll post it on the wiki |
| 14:04.16 | prpplague | i/well |
| 14:04.49 | GPSFan | sorry, have a few beers at lunch, that will fix "everything" ;>) |
| 14:05.14 | chouimat|busy | hi prpplague GPSFan |
| 14:05.28 | GPSFan | chouimat|busy: howdy.. |
| 14:05.45 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 14:06.17 | prpplague | chouimat|busy: greetings |
| 14:09.05 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software |
| 14:09.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: posted |
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| 15:18.48 | prpplague | samuelr: ho ho ho |
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| 15:30.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: you get that apex tarball? |
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| 15:51.05 | cbrake | I need to operate a PXA270 watchdog from a kernel thread. The watchdog driver implements a char interface. Is the best approach to EXPORT_SYMBOL the char interface functions I need, or is there a clean way to interact with a char driver from within the kernel? |
| 15:51.25 | cbrake | I guess I could just add the watchdog code to my kernel thread as it is only a few lines as well ... |
| 16:10.19 | prpplague | cbrake: depends on whether or not you plan on getting your code back in the main tree |
| 16:10.32 | cbrake | prpplague: never |
| 16:10.41 | cbrake | prpplague: I've decided to just copy it -- about 6 lines ... |
| 16:11.35 | cbrake | prpplague: I have a small lithium poly battery in a unit a device so I can properly shut down file systems if power is yanked. |
| 16:11.44 | prpplague | cbrake: indeed, i've almost given up on adding back anything |
| 16:12.00 | prpplague | cbrake: interesting, we are doing something similiar |
| 16:12.21 | cbrake | prpplague: works well until the system crashes and the kernel thread the monitors power off is not running any more, hence adding the watchdog ... |
| 16:12.40 | cbrake | prpplague: I should have insisted more on a external watchdog -- that is what it should really be ... |
| 16:13.31 | cbrake | prpplague: but, this seems to working well. I can short the pins on the SDRAM to crash the system, and the WD still reboots it =:-> |
| 16:20.48 | chouimat | hmmmm http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919182236445 |
| 16:26.45 | prpplague | chouimat: fun fun |
| 16:29.00 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 16:29.13 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm not sure I grab some "high financial" concept like giving bonuses while filling for bankruptcy |
| 16:29.48 | prpplague | chouimat: agreed, however that seems to be SOP for companies like sco |
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| 17:01.18 | chouimat | prpplague: a little bit earlier the USD == 0.9998CAD |
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| 17:20.40 | prpplague | chouimat|away: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=awhVMIymbX0w&refer=canada |
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| 17:25.47 | chouimat|away | prpplague: I read it |
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| 17:40.55 | prpplague | i love how the /. posted makes it seem like Habeas Corpus isn't law anymore - http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/09/20/1612226.shtml |
| 17:41.08 | ds2 | *yawn* on /. |
| 17:41.25 | prpplague | what they don't tell you is the actual vote was to give Habeas Corpus to military prisoners |
| 17:41.46 | ds2 | hey prpplague: you guys doing an ad in make magazine when hammer is officially out to the masses? |
| 17:42.16 | prpplague | not that i am aware of |
| 17:42.26 | ds2 | wrong audience? |
| 17:42.55 | ds2 | oh |
| 17:42.59 | prpplague | not even sure what make magazine is |
| 17:43.17 | ds2 | hmmmmm |
| 17:43.34 | ds2 | OReilly publishes that... it is a rag about home brew projects |
| 17:43.42 | CosmicPenguin | good stuff |
| 17:44.01 | ds2 | good is subjective... I'm not too impressed with the contents |
| 17:52.15 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:52.19 | prpplague | i'll have a look |
| 17:52.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you get it? |
| 17:52.32 | CosmicPenguin | I read the online stuff |
| 17:52.42 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to get the halloween edition though |
| 17:53.00 | prpplague | ahh makezine.com |
| 17:53.09 | prpplague | yea, i've seen alot of the posts on hackaday |
| 17:53.14 | CosmicPenguin | Its on my google reader list |
| 17:55.11 | prpplague | ds2: makezine.com looks like a good place to advertise the hammer, but personally i've grown tired of that style of developer |
| 17:55.24 | prpplague | ds2: i'll mention it to marketing |
| 17:55.33 | ds2 | heh |
| 17:57.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6110819528.html |
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| 18:05.35 | chouimat|away | interesting |
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| 18:30.40 | cbrake | embedded is getting popular ... |
| 18:32.41 | cbrake | if a real-time process opens a serial port, and reads data, does the serial driver also inherit the application process priority? |
| 18:33.00 | cbrake | it seems like it work for reading, etc, but what about driver threads, and interrupt routines? |
| 18:40.17 | ds2 | I would hope it inherits the priority |
| 18:40.27 | ds2 | or you can get some nice DoS going ;) |
| 18:41.40 | prpplague | <cbrake> embedded is getting popular ... |
| 18:41.51 | prpplague | cbrake: embedded linux i assume you are refering to? |
| 18:42.22 | cbrake | prpplague: AMD tagging processors as embedded :-) |
| 18:43.09 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:44.43 | ds2 | didn't AMD always had embedded stuff? ELAN, GEODE, late runes of the 586, etc? |
| 18:44.57 | cbrake | ds2: for some reason, data seems to being getting stuck in the driver in 2.6.23. I'm sending and receiving data every 40ms on a rs485 bus -- works great with 2.6.20. Digging into the serial driver some more ... |
| 18:45.22 | ds2 | cbreak: what pre-emption mode? |
| 18:45.53 | cbrake | ds2: > |
| 18:45.53 | cbrake | > |
| 18:45.53 | cbrake | ds2: > Steve |
| 18:46.04 | cbrake | argh, CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 18:46.18 | ds2 | oh that... yuck |
| 18:46.32 | cbrake | ds2: same as 2.6.20 -- but, CONFIG_PREEMPT may mean something different in 2.6.23 .. |
| 18:46.50 | cbrake | are ISR's pre-empted yet? |
| 18:47.02 | ds2 | IIRC, yes |
| 18:47.19 | ds2 | it gets rather nasty with that turned on |
| 18:47.20 | cbrake | ds2: do you know what version that changed? |
| 18:47.35 | ds2 | cbrake: in the mainline, no |
| 18:47.47 | cbrake | ds2: ok, I'm still with mainline |
| 18:47.56 | ds2 | i been dealing with it on the patches level and heard things are tricklying in |
| 18:55.45 | prpplague | jbevren / Exiles ping |
| 18:56.25 | prpplague | jbevren / Exiles you guys need to email me a status of your hacking as soon as possible |
| 18:58.33 | ds2 | (soon being defined in geologic terms? ;)) j/k |
| 19:00.26 | prpplague | ds2: "soon" being defined in terms of "not getting free hardware again" |
| 19:00.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:05.57 | prpplague | http://www.forbes.com/2007/09/19/software-linux-lawsuits-tech-oped-cx_dl_0919lyons.html?partner=yahootix |
| 19:06.09 | prpplague | wow dan lyons offers apology |
| 19:06.12 | prpplague | for being wrong |
| 19:09.34 | ds2 | who's dan lyons? |
| 19:10.37 | prpplague | ds2: a reporter who has been pushing the sco side of things for awhile |
| 19:10.57 | prpplague | ds2: many people believed he was actually getting pay-offs from sco to do pro-sco articles |
| 19:11.31 | ds2 | oh |
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| 21:07.26 | MothaWork_ | ~quote scox |
| 21:17.00 | ds2 | hmmm it is cheaper to use a SCOX cert as TP then it is to buy TP at some bathrooms (seems to be a EU thing) |
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| 21:47.31 | prpplague | wheee |
| 21:47.46 | prpplague | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070920153227686 |
| 21:48.05 | prpplague | mr.busybox goes to new york |
| 21:49.57 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | wierd when you know the parties involved |
| 22:03.36 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 22:05.54 | GPSFan | prpplague: yep, gotit, I'll try it out tonight. |
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| 22:07.43 | flyback | still banned? |
| 22:09.36 | prpplague | flyback: i'm too tired to ban you today, follow the rules, the VERY first offense, K/B |
| 22:10.41 | flyback | deal! |
| 22:10.56 | flyback | so did you ever get a chance to mess with that disney thing |
| 22:11.02 | flyback | mine still sits in a box, never even turned it on |
| 22:11.24 | flyback | they are power washing (yes) and painting my basement cause of the floor so soon I will have a dedicated bench to try some stuff |
| 22:11.31 | flyback | floor/flood |
| 22:11.47 | prpplague | flyback: no, been too busy with the hammer board |
| 22:12.03 | flyback | yeah those are cute I hope your company can't fill orders fast enough :) |
| 22:12.50 | flyback | i'm thinking of contiueing to use this isa ttl board I made or at least slap a serial port on this p75 and map to serial over tcip |
| 22:13.08 | flyback | that way if shit goes really wrong and surges the port past the max232 protection it can't destroy a good box |
| 22:13.54 | flyback | man the corp world is a pain in the ass, I can't even change a ups battery without a plan and my boss doesn't trust firmware updates |
| 22:14.02 | flyback | :/ |
| 22:15.01 | flyback | speaking of I got a room to pack up for the cleaning crew, bbl |
| 22:16.04 | flyback | oh one thing, I got what appears to be a usb to rs232 thing from work, from a old pda from someone who left the company it's got rx, tx, and rts on the output, I can't tell from the datasheet if it outputs rs232 levels, or can do more |
| 22:16.37 | flyback | and thanks again prpplague for the heads up on juicebox readers |
| 22:16.40 | flyback | being crap |
| 22:17.01 | prpplague | flyback: yea i used all of mine for parts |
| 22:17.13 | ds2 | parts? |
| 22:17.41 | flyback | ds2 you could rip off the usb translator chip and use it as a sd socket on a pcb |
| 22:17.59 | flyback | although www.futurlec.com has stuff like that so cheap I am not going to even bother |
| 22:18.06 | ds2 | oh |
| 22:18.45 | prpplague | flyback: indeed, but its nice to have the parts available |
| 22:18.55 | flyback | prpplague bear with me I am having severe memory lapses so I am taking myself off a med slowly, but didn't you say one time that fttdi makes a reverse usb to serial chip |
| 22:19.14 | flyback | so you could actually use like a c64 speaking serially to talk to a usb device? |
| 22:19.38 | flyback | assuming it had a standard set of commands like mass storage... |
| 22:19.55 | prpplague | flyback: yea, ftdi makes the ft2232 as well as some other hosts devices |
| 22:20.11 | flyback | I couldn't tell from their datasheets if it could go the backwards way or not |
| 22:20.14 | flyback | it was confusing :/ |
| 22:20.49 | flyback | I hope ftdi makes a mint, I don't mine giving up legacy ports on new laptops etc as long as there are usb bridge chips out there |
| 22:21.09 | flyback | I'd rather have more usb ports :P |
| 22:21.30 | flyback | lemme find that bridge chip thing |
| 22:21.50 | flyback | linux lsusb says sunplus but the google hits are another company mabye they sold off their ip |
| 22:21.53 | prpplague | http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/vlog.shtml |
| 22:22.24 | flyback | neat thx |
| 22:22.50 | flyback | linux is getting close to usuable on my t5 palm pretty soon I will be able to read most pdf's without going down likt he titanic |
| 22:23.16 | flyback | once the button sleep crash and the missing aumix issue are resolved I will probably leave it in opie most of the time |
| 22:23.52 | flyback | prpplague I bought a kill-a-watt for $20.00 on newegg man is that freaking useful |
| 22:25.39 | prpplague | http://www.vinculum.com/images/vdip2.jpg |
| 22:25.54 | prpplague | flyback: thats if you wanted to go really embedded |
| 22:26.03 | flyback | nice |
| 22:26.08 | prpplague | flyback: but you could use the hammer board for something like the c64 mass storage |
| 22:26.14 | flyback | we will see how it goes between work, and the other issues I am fighting right now |
| 22:26.21 | prpplague | flyback: and with the Hammer you'd get usb and stuff like sd/mmc |
| 22:26.25 | flyback | I might not ever pickup a soldering iron again :( |
| 22:26.37 | flyback | I did learn this though |
| 22:26.54 | flyback | a) part of the problems I had over the years were shitty irons and solder and espically wire that couldn't take the heat |
| 22:27.11 | flyback | b) old broken ethernet cables are sure nice wire inside :) |
| 22:27.34 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 22:27.43 | flyback | I hacked a vcr the other day someone tossed |
| 22:27.47 | prpplague | flyback: for $200 you can get a really nice setup |
| 22:27.55 | flyback | all overed with crap etc, took it home and stripped it down to the bare board |
| 22:27.58 | prpplague | flyback: for half that you could a pretty decent setup |
| 22:27.59 | flyback | plugged it in, it didn't care |
| 22:28.02 | flyback | nice |
| 22:28.15 | flyback | it's now a 100+ channel tuner for a old color tv I have |
| 22:28.30 | flyback | it's filter circuit is 3x better image that the $90 converter box for decades ago :P |
| 22:28.44 | flyback | the reason I mention this is it's got a ton of vbi stuff |
| 22:28.49 | flyback | I wonder what mcu it uses |
| 22:28.51 | prpplague | http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=146595 |
| 22:28.56 | flyback | it does this thing overnight |
| 22:29.00 | prpplague | you can get a nice 1/32 tip for that |
| 22:29.05 | flyback | where it updates itself I guess the vcr+ stuff over cable vbi |
| 22:29.21 | flyback | oh nice |
| 22:29.42 | flyback | i'm tossing all my socket 7 and crappier pII stuff |
| 22:29.54 | prpplague | http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=233533 |
| 22:29.59 | flyback | keeping a few decent PII 440bx boards around for disk recovery boxes etc |
| 22:30.04 | flyback | but the other crap I am tosing |
| 22:30.10 | prpplague | if you want a 1/64 tip, thats the least expensive you can get away with |
| 22:30.12 | flyback | debating how many chips on them are worth getting off |
| 22:30.27 | flyback | oh that's not too bad |
| 22:30.28 | ds2 | is that really better then this: http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=15860+TL |
| 22:30.34 | MonMotha | I have a WESD51 |
| 22:30.34 | MonMotha | love it |
| 22:30.47 | flyback | more than I ever made at my last major job |
| 22:30.57 | MonMotha | you can get cheaper irons that do the same thing, but then good luck finding replacement tips |
| 22:31.10 | MonMotha | weller tips are EASY to find (and can also be had immediately from many retail outlets) |
| 22:31.13 | flyback | yeah for now I got a radio shack 15 watt and another 30 watt one ungrounded :/ |
| 22:31.14 | ds2 | supposely that one takes hakko tips |
| 22:31.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: really? |
| 22:31.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: i was just about to order one |
| 22:31.25 | flyback | oh you guys might now |
| 22:31.35 | flyback | WHAT THE HELL IS THE TRICK TO GETTING MB CAPS OFF |
| 22:31.36 | flyback | ugh |
| 22:31.38 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, I've had mine for a couple years. Been completely trouble free |
| 22:31.41 | MonMotha | haven't even replaced the tip yet |
| 22:31.45 | MonMotha | we just got one at work, too |
| 22:31.54 | flyback | I got a intel board, good celeron 2.6 ghz it only has 5 bad nicicon caps and it's only the ones by the cpu affected |
| 22:31.56 | MonMotha | to be honest, I use the "giant" tip that comes with it |
| 22:32.04 | MonMotha | I don't find tiny tips overly useful in many cases |
| 22:32.04 | flyback | I tact soldered some caps on the bottom and it's rock stable |
| 22:32.10 | prpplague | flyback: only warning, keep the capitals down |
| 22:32.14 | flyback | I need to get the holes out so I can replace the caps |
| 22:32.16 | flyback | ok |
| 22:32.19 | MonMotha | not enough surface area to transfer heat to the work |
| 22:32.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: really? |
| 22:32.36 | MonMotha | for soldering down large QFPs, I just drag solder using lots of flux and clean up afterwards |
| 22:32.45 | flyback | glad to see the mb industry is starting to move toward solid caps |
| 22:32.49 | flyback | :D |
| 22:32.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: the reason i was looking at the wesd51 was for the 1/64 tip |
| 22:32.57 | MonMotha | now, if you're doing almost exclusively rework, I could see where a smaller tip might be handy |
| 22:33.04 | MonMotha | and yes, having the 1/64th capability is useful |
| 22:33.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: i feel like i'm using a walking cane with the larger irons |
| 22:33.14 | MonMotha | the temp regulation on the WESD51 is also rather good |
| 22:33.17 | ds2 | do you know what the tips are made of? |
| 22:33.19 | MonMotha | not as good as a $1000 Metcal, but good |
| 22:33.25 | prpplague | good deal |
| 22:33.27 | MonMotha | ds2: not sure, but they work really well |
| 22:33.31 | MonMotha | I know it's some weird alloy |
| 22:33.39 | prpplague | MonMotha: thanks for mentioning it, i was still a little shaky on ordering it |
| 22:33.40 | GPSFan | prpplague: yipiee, it works again... |
| 22:33.43 | ds2 | MonMontha: it is tempting to take used tips and rework them in a lathe |
| 22:33.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
| 22:33.59 | MonMotha | they come pre-tinned, hold solder well, and don't easily scratch |
| 22:34.06 | MonMotha | ds2: can't do that on wellers |
| 22:34.17 | MonMotha | the tip is coated with a different alloy than the rest of it is made from |
| 22:34.20 | ds2 | they are special like the metcals? |
| 22:34.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: what does that say about me that i can take an obscure debugging message and tell you exactly whats wrong ? hehe, been doing this too long |
| 22:34.26 | ds2 | Oh like that..blah |
| 22:34.47 | MonMotha | also, the temp sensor goes down into the tip, so you can't take off much metal before you destroy the tip completely as it's largely hollow to accomodate the sensor |
| 22:34.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: been there, done that... |
| 22:34.56 | flyback | I remeber when I worked for amptech for 3 months before quitting and I used the rework heat hose thing |
| 22:35.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: good deal |
| 22:35.05 | flyback | even with my shaking hands that was like painting artwork |
| 22:35.05 | flyback | wow |
| 22:35.13 | MonMotha | they do also offer the ones that have "cups" for holding solder while drag soldering, though I don't have one |
| 22:35.14 | flyback | mabyesomeday I can get one of those |
| 22:35.46 | flyback | bbl need to start packing |
| 22:36.25 | MonMotha | prpplague: there are several different techniques for soldering stuff down, and some of them do require the itty-bitty tips |
| 22:36.25 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 22:36.34 | flyback | prpplague I had an idea, I saved the scanning unit from my laser printer that got wet, this part didn't, I was thinking if I replace the laser with a narrow beam rgb led I got a neat light shooting thing |
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| 22:36.47 | MonMotha | my techniques pretty much involve using tons of flux to get the solder to go where I want to, which has some obvious disadvantages |
| 22:36.50 | *** mode/#edev [+o MonMotha] by prpplague |
| 22:36.54 | flyback | I got the mirror motor from another laser too |
| 22:37.01 | *** mode/#edev [+o wmat] by prpplague |
| 22:37.18 | flyback | I actually had a working part of a windmill earlier this year |
| 22:37.23 | flyback | lemme find the pic |
| 22:37.54 | prpplague | flyback: i have to go, but the other ops have instructions, any problems k/b, follow the rules |
| 22:38.04 | prpplague | flyback: don't make me regret letting you in today |
| 22:51.16 | flyback | sorry cleaning guy came back |
| 22:51.17 | flyback | thx |
| 22:54.21 | flyback | http://flyback.databurn.net/wow/S4200054.JPG |
| 22:54.32 | flyback | I had that also on the shaft of a 4v step-syn |
| 22:54.43 | flyback | one coil out of 2 I was getting over 30v in high winds |
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