| 00:27.58 | GPSFan | s/done after/done before ....;P |
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| 00:54.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping |
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| 11:35.13 | T0mW | prpplague: ping |
| 12:48.07 | dbtid | cbrake: hello. how's akron? |
| 12:48.55 | cbrake | dbtid: little cloudy, but overall pretty nice. Hows things in the south? |
| 12:57.00 | dbtid | oh, the same i guess |
| 12:57.03 | dbtid | i'm home sick today |
| 12:57.11 | dbtid | my kids brought home a head cold for me |
| 12:59.56 | dbtid | cbrake: have you used any of the marvell wifi chips? |
| 13:00.52 | cbrake | dbtid: working on integrating a 8385 WinCE driver (bahh) right now. |
| 13:01.21 | cbrake | dbtid: but I don't have it up and running yet |
| 13:02.20 | cbrake | dbtid: hope you get to feeling better soon |
| 13:02.39 | cbrake | dbtid: what type of system are you looking at wifi for? |
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| 13:05.05 | dbtid | well, it's either gonna be a ppc or a pxa310, at this point |
| 13:05.14 | dbtid | i'm not keen on the pxa so much |
| 13:05.54 | dbtid | i don't know much about the diffs b/t the marvell and atheros chipsets |
| 13:06.15 | dbtid | wi2wi makes the best solution for what i need: an 8686 w/ a BT i/f as well |
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| 13:24.43 | cbrake | dbtid: yes, we are trying both marvell and atheros -- not sure what we' |
| 13:24.59 | cbrake | ll end with. Figure we better have two parallel paths and hope one works out. |
| 13:25.09 | dbtid | yeah |
| 13:25.59 | dbtid | one of the issues i have is temp range |
| 13:26.15 | dbtid | i have to go -20C to +75C or so |
| 13:26.34 | dbtid | most i've found are 0 - 55C |
| 13:26.56 | cbrake | dbtid: yeah, geared for consumer devices |
| 13:27.07 | dbtid | right; mine isn't a consumer device, as such |
| 13:55.42 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
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| 14:20.20 | emil|k`work | okay |
| 14:20.23 | emil|k`work | fc |
| 14:26.02 | cbrake | MMC/SDIO mainline merge plans: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/9/24/273136 |
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| 15:03.47 | prpplague | cbrake: yep |
| 15:03.56 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:04.24 | prpplague | seems like sdram portion is always to trouble spot in a new board bringup |
| 15:13.37 | CosmicPenguin | you think? :) |
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| 15:53.56 | cbrake | dbtid: a few of us on #oe have been discussing getting together for a local OE/Embedded Linux meeting -- if you are interested, I started a wiki page: http://elinux.org/LocalUserGroups |
| 15:54.48 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think I want to admit to anybody face to face that I use OE |
| 15:55.58 | cbrake | CosmicPenguin: heh, well maybe we'll just call it "Embedded Linux" then ... |
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| 16:13.19 | dbtid | cbrake: i think i'd like that; but i only know of 3 of us in ohio so far :) |
| 16:13.23 | dbtid | well maybe more |
| 16:13.32 | dbtid | cbrake: may i send you a privmsg? |
| 16:20.52 | Crofton | OEDNAM? |
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| 16:23.53 | cbrake | dbtid: sure |
| 16:25.09 | cbrake | Crofton: :-) |
| 16:26.12 | Crofton | tomorrow is delisting day |
| 16:40.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting, i'm seeing the address lines toggle, but not the data lines :( |
| 16:59.16 | dbtid | i hate it when the do that |
| 17:00.01 | dbtid | what i hate more is when chip inputs are sensitive to line toggles even when they're not enabled, and then the device doesn't work as it's supposed to, because ST didn't document the bug they knew about... |
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| 17:41.46 | T0mW | prpplague: meeting is over, now I can "talk" |
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| 18:12.22 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 18:12.33 | prpplague | T0mW: did you ping me yesterday? |
| 18:14.26 | ds2 | morning |
| 18:15.57 | redblue | http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2007/09/pianeta-amiga-2007-report-from-paolo.html |
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| 18:21.05 | GPSFan | prpplague: ping |
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| 18:50.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: pong |
| 18:51.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: whats cookin? |
| 18:51.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, did you see my message about the buildroot bashing I did over the weekend? |
| 18:52.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: sorry no, i've been swampped with work |
| 18:53.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: ok, I found thatearlier versions of buildroot inittab had /proc being mounted before the remount rw. the one from the cd had the remount before the mount /proc, and later versions had the remount rw occuring after the mount of /proc. |
| 18:54.44 | GPSFan | I rebuilt the rootfs from the cd using an inittab that mounted /proc before the remount rw and it all worked. |
| 18:55.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh good deal |
| 18:56.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: yea, I even built a rootfs using the 9/22 buildroot snapshot using busybox 1.7.1 and binutils 2.18 |
| 18:56.38 | GPSFan | worked too. |
| 19:00.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: cool |
| 19:01.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: any other hammer news? |
| 19:02.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: none at the momment other than we jsut about have everything hardware wise to go live at the end of october |
| 19:02.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: good deal, best of luck with sales... |
| 19:11.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i hope it goes well |
| 19:11.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: how do you feel about the hammer so far |
| 19:11.14 | prpplague | ?? |
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| 19:30.31 | chouimat | hmmm part of the compensation package: an executive desk and ergonomic chair of your choice, a computer build to your specification and 2 30" apple monitors ... |
| 19:31.54 | agaffney | mmmmmmmm |
| 19:32.07 | chouimat | agaffney: exactly ... |
| 19:33.06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a decent gig |
| 19:33.25 | chouimat | and they keyword is work from home too =) |
| 19:45.50 | agaffney | chouimat: I think you'll be fine :P |
| 19:46.03 | agaffney | although, you might to get them to pay your power bill, too :P |
| 19:46.26 | chouimat | agaffney: the power bill is included in my rent price |
| 19:46.48 | agaffney | ah, nice |
| 19:48.52 | chouimat | agaffney: I got a deal here |
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| 20:16.15 | chouimat | agaffney: I just had more detail about the computer ... it's a custom build mac pro :) |
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| 20:21.38 | agaffney | chouimat: bah, mactel |
| 20:21.47 | agaffney | give me a nice quad G5 any day |
| 20:21.49 | GPSFan | prpplague: I like it. it's small, easy to understand and interface to, speedy enough. Although it could use a floatingpoint unit. But hey, for $159, you can't have everything. |
| 20:22.15 | chouimat | agaffney: better than nothing ... |
| 20:22.19 | agaffney | chouimat: true |
| 20:22.48 | chouimat | agaffney: and 2 quad core xeon it's nice ;) |
| 20:23.01 | agaffney | I suppose |
| 20:23.08 | agaffney | but I'd rather have AMD than Intel :P |
| 20:23.34 | agaffney | Dell has some half-decent Athlon64 X2 1.9GHz boxes for only $300 |
| 20:23.37 | agaffney | closeout |
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| 20:23.44 | agaffney | I'm having my boss pick up a bunch of them |
| 20:23.48 | agaffney | just to keep around |
| 20:23.52 | chouimat | agaffney: but since it |
| 20:24.09 | chouimat | 's free (aka they are paying not me) I won't be difficult ;) |
| 20:24.17 | agaffney | heh |
| 20:24.37 | chouimat | agaffney: and I need to be able to run linux/winblows and os x |
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| 23:15.42 | MonMotha | gah, why do people send word documents instead of PDFs? |
| 23:16.01 | T0mW | MonMotha: because they are stupid and haven't a clue? |
| 23:22.17 | MonMotha | perhaps |
| 23:22.27 | MonMotha | though at this price for PCBs, I'm not going to complain |
| 23:22.42 | MonMotha | 50 8 layer boards, 4/4 trace/space, 4x6" for ~$1500 |
| 23:23.06 | MonMotha | not bad for quickturn proto volume on an 8 layer |
| 23:23.53 | MonMotha | no NRE |
| 23:24.55 | joe_bleau | How quick is the turn? |
| 23:25.42 | MonMotha | 5-15 days, depending on price |
| 23:26.08 | MonMotha | now other than layer count and line/space, it's a pretty barebones board |
| 23:26.17 | MonMotha | but still, $30/board is not bad at all |
| 23:27.41 | joe_bleau | I don't normally think of 50 as a proto run, but yeah, that sounds like a decent deal. |
| 23:27.48 | MonMotha | they do require a LOT of extra artwork beyond what normal quickturn would require, but you'd probably have to generate most of it for a production order eventually anyway |
| 23:28.06 | MonMotha | well, it's up to 50 on this lot due to the small size. They bill by the lot at a fixed price for the lot |
| 23:28.23 | MonMotha | so might as well order a full lot and bin the rest if they don't work out |
| 23:28.52 | joe_bleau | What extra artwork are they requiring? |
| 23:29.42 | MonMotha | gerbers for all layers, drill drawing, fabrication drawing with lots of dimensions, board stackup including tolerances, excellon drill file |
| 23:29.48 | MonMotha | the fabrication drawing is just unusually detailed |
| 23:30.04 | MonMotha | It took me probably 45 min - 1hr to make it since it couldn't be easily automated |
| 23:30.09 | MonMotha | everything else my CAD package could output for me |
| 23:30.55 | joe_bleau | Well, even a quick turn proto run is gonna need the drill file and gerbers for each layer. |
| 23:31.04 | joe_bleau | Wonder why they want a dimensioned drawing. |
| 23:31.07 | MonMotha | yeah, but that's usually all they need |
| 23:31.14 | MonMotha | gerbers, drill, and a stackup description |
| 23:31.32 | MonMotha | (minimal stackup - i.e. put these in order) |
| 23:32.13 | joe_bleau | We don't bother with outline dimensions on production runs unless the board is unusually shaped. |
| 23:32.27 | joe_bleau | And I've never seen a drill drawing! |
| 23:33.12 | MonMotha | fortunately, my CAD package can make very detailed drill drawings |
| 23:33.28 | MonMotha | and this is more than outline dimensions. They also wanted dimensions to reference points on the board |
| 23:33.38 | MonMotha | they wanted an internal hole to a corner, for example |
| 23:33.59 | MonMotha | I also put dimensions to my fiducials on there, so that I can use the same drawing for assembly |
| 23:36.42 | MonMotha | dinner time... |
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