IRC log for #edev on 20071001

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19:28.01prpplaguejbevren / Exiles  ping
19:35.58ds2they must have taken off and ran nonstop ;)
19:36.55prpplagueds2, yea they are on my !@#$@#$ list
19:37.24ds2I suppose exiles is a student and classes probally just started...
19:38.43prpplagueds2: no excuse for that, if he wasn't gonna contribute to the beta, he shouldn't have take the hardware
19:38.52chouimathehe
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19:41.57prpplaguebrb
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20:42.19GPSFanprpplague: you have a logo for the hammer?
20:42.32prpplaguenot the hammer per se
20:42.37prpplaguetincantools has a logo
20:43.09GPSFanyeah, sort of an open tincan...
20:43.31prpplagueyea
20:43.49GPSFanprpplague: just looking for something to put on a low res bitmapped display.
20:44.20prpplagueGPSFan: which display is that?
20:45.18prpplagueho ho hum
20:45.34GPSFanyou will see... just got the driver integrated into the kernel, haven't tested it yet on the hammer, but it builds ok on x86 2.6 kernel
20:45.36prpplagueGPSFan: looks like the s3c2440 has trouble interfacing with LVTTL sdram
20:45.47prpplagueGPSFan: cool deal
20:45.51prpplagueGPSFan: spi based ?
20:46.08GPSFanlevel issue" 1.8V vs 2.6V, vs 3.3V?
20:46.18GPSFanno usb.
20:47.23prpplagueGPSFan: ahh cool
20:47.58prpplagueGPSFan: well, all the 1.8v sdram that appears to work is LVCMOS
20:49.12GPSFanhmm, what is the cpu spec'd to be able to use?
20:49.21prpplaguehttp://xkcd.com/
20:49.41prpplagueGPSFan: thats just it , the specs show that it should support both LVTTL and LVCMOS
20:50.00prpplagueGPSFan: but the only devices i can find that are working are LVCMOS
20:51.17GPSFanprpplague: what does your friendly Samsung techrep say?
20:52.01GPSFanprpplague: and are there config bits in the sdram controller to control the I/O ?
20:52.17prpplagueGPSFan: samsung rep says "hmm, unless you are purchasing a min of 250,000 you can go @#$!@#$ yourself"
20:52.32chouimat|busyprpplague: LOL
20:52.47prpplagueGPSFan: yea, we've been through the whole range of tweaking
20:53.00prpplagueGPSFan: basically it works with samsung sdram but not micron
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20:53.15prpplagueGPSFan: samsung is LVCMOS and micron is LVTTL
20:53.37GPSFanprpplague: not fun...;>(
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20:55.54prpplagueGPSFan: interesting project
21:49.43wmat<PROTECTED>
21:49.46wmatugh
21:53.36prpplaguewmat: cool
21:53.43prpplaguewmat: anything good going on?
21:53.49wmatprpplague: come by the Hyatt, I'll buy you a pint
21:54.09wmatprpplague: no, it doesn't start until tomorrow
21:54.17ds2prpplague is in santa clara too?
21:54.34wmatprpplague: i just payed $10 for wifi though, which is just wrong here
21:54.47wmatprpplague: no, i'm teasing you
21:54.50prpplaguewmat: getting to santa clara would take me a while, hehe
21:54.56ds2wmat: think it is free at teh convention center
21:55.13wmatds2: yeah, it is, but not until tomorrow
21:55.32ds2wmat: camp outside on the walk or goto the lobby to use the WiFi
21:55.50wmatds2: i'm in the lobby bar
21:56.06ds2and there is no free WiFi signal receiveable?
21:56.50wmatds2: nope
21:57.04wmatsad, isn't it
21:57.20ds2seem to remember the permanent signs saying otherwise
21:57.37ds2faster then EDGE I suppose
21:57.45wmatds2: T-Mobile hotspot access only for $10
22:02.20wmatapparently we all get Ipod Nanos with our registration
22:02.43ds2do those run linux yet?
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22:18.30prpplagueCrofton: ping
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23:00.21ds2anyone else here doing the ARM Dev thing?
23:02.16dbtidi've recently completed an arm project on a 9200
23:02.18dbtidis that helpful?
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23:04.08prpplagueho ho ho
23:04.13prpplaguemerry freakin monday
23:04.22prpplaguejbevren / Exiles  ping ping ping
23:04.37dbtidyeah
23:04.59jbevren<pong> <corrupted packet> <lost packet>
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23:07.52dbtidBSOD
23:07.56dbtidping o' death
23:07.59dbtidnice job prpplague
23:08.09prpplaguedbtid: ???
23:08.33prpplaguejbevren: you done any hammer hacking?
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23:11.57dbtidprpplague: you don't remember the win95 ping o' death?
23:11.58prpplaguejbevren: really need some sort of feedback from you and Exiles
23:12.15dbtidhammer hacking sounds like breaking and entering
23:12.19jbevrenlol
23:12.53jbevrenprpplague: Ive been occupied with work and bills since mr.taxman decided he wanted a full repayment
23:13.22prpplaguei see
23:13.38jbevrenin a couple weeks though, the crapola will clear up
23:13.41jbevrenmeh :(
23:13.47prpplaguejbevren: just drop me an email with your current status
23:13.51jbevrennod
23:14.18prpplaguejust need something to justify sending you a beta
23:14.35Crofton|homeprpplague, pong
23:15.12prpplagueCrofton|home: hey, you use any 1.8v sdram with the omap?
23:15.27Crofton|homemaybe with the davinci
23:15.39Crofton|homeI am pretty sure it is 1.8 processort
23:15.41Crofton|homewhy?
23:18.12prpplaguehaving problems using 1.8v mobile sdram
23:18.31prpplagueany idea what sdram you are using?
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23:28.23joe_bleauprpplague: ping
23:31.32Crofton|homeprpplague, I'll look tomorrow
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23:40.25prpplague^2doh network issues
23:42.28jbevrenprpplague: joe pinged ya
23:42.48joe_bleauprpplague: ping
23:42.51prpplaguejoe_bleau: pong
23:42.59prpplaguejoe_bleau: whats cookin?
23:43.01joe_bleauHey, had a couple of hammer ideas for ya.
23:43.09prpplaguejoe_bleau: shoot!
23:43.19jbevrenI have a concept I'm gearing up too, I'll email it to ya
23:43.24joe_bleauFirst one is theft: I remember seeing an ad in CCI.
23:43.32joe_bleauProbably technologix, maybe someone else.
23:43.37jbevrenstress hasn't kept me from coming up with ideas, just going through with them
23:43.54prpplaguejoe_bleau: ??
23:43.58prpplaguejoe_bleau: theft?
23:43.58jbevrenso
23:44.02joe_bleauThey had the toolchain on a USB flash drive, and you ran the tools on the board itself.
23:44.04jbevrenyeah, theft? :)
23:44.12joe_bleauStealing an idea?
23:44.16jbevrenohh
23:44.21jbevrenso.
23:44.27jbevrenyour IDE/etc are on the usb stick you carry with you?
23:44.34joe_bleauIOW, it's not an original idea.
23:44.49joe_bleauCompilers, libs, and header files, I assume.
23:45.07joe_bleauThe other idea was along similar lines...
23:45.08prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea at this stage we don't install a native compiler
23:45.24jbevrennod, I want to install a kernel with serial or net gadget
23:45.28prpplaguejoe_bleau: we just provide a toolchain via buildroot
23:45.29jbevrenthat'll be my first step lol
23:45.31joe_bleausome kind of service with configured toolchains.
23:45.40joe_bleaulog in, upload files, build, download, burn.
23:45.50joe_bleauThe idea behind both is to get past the tool issues.
23:46.04joe_bleau(From what I've seen in the logs, there's been some confusion there.)
23:46.05prpplaguejoe_bleau: ahh yea, that was just something we had thought about to help do some custom builds
23:46.27jbevrenjoe_bleau: I had pondered putting debian on a usb stick
23:46.36jbevrenit'd be dead slow but I'd bypass crosscompile headaches ;-)
23:46.41prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea, most of the tool issues we've had so far have been kinda expected , basically because it being a beta
23:47.01prpplaguejoe_bleau: i think we've ironed all the main bugs and it should build pretty easy
23:47.17jbevrenprpplague: My previous experience with building tinysnmp for the zipit will help greatly :)
23:47.24prpplaguejoe_bleau: we are actually looking at doing a live fedora cd with the toolchain and such
23:48.28joe_bleaulive cd: yeah, that sounds like a much easier compromise.
23:48.55jbevreneww fedora
23:48.57jbevrenlol jk
23:49.05joe_bleauThe neat thing about the service is that you know youve always got access to a working toolchain and current kernel.
23:49.05jbevrenif its live and preconfig'ed I can use it without much whining
23:49.22prpplaguejoe_bleau: indeed
23:49.25joe_bleauFor me at work, it would still be a hassle due to the reboots.
23:49.38jbevrenjoe_bleau: virtual machine :)
23:49.42jbevrenrun the iso in vmware
23:49.43joe_bleauOf course, your target market is probably quite a bit different...
23:49.44jbevrenmwahah
23:49.53prpplaguejoe_bleau: basically we'd have a series of check boxes to choose the items you want then do the kernel build and ramdiskj
23:50.22joe_bleauWell, nevermind.  Sounds like you've already thought this through quite a bit.
23:50.27jbevrenheh
23:50.56prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea, still alot of work to do though
23:51.08prpplaguejoe_bleau: the web site is to go live in a couple weeks
23:51.33prpplaguejoe_bleau: we are hopin to get around 250 orders in the first two weeks
23:51.40prpplagueor atleast thats my goal
23:51.43joe_bleauWill I be seeing an ad in CCI or any of the trade rags?
23:51.54jbevrenprpplague: make sure you announce on linuxdevices.com :)
23:52.02jbevren(and other related sites)
23:52.05jbevrenget the pro's curious
23:52.08prpplaguenot sure, i've been meaning to ask the boss about it
23:52.23prpplaguejbevren: yea i'm sure linuxdevices with get a PR
23:55.43jbevrenmsg prpplague have you heard of the sidstation synthesizer?
23:55.48jbevrenlol /me adds a /
23:55.56jbevrenprpplague: grab my dropped privmsg
23:55.58prpplaguejoe_bleau: whatcha think of the hammer from the pages that are posted?
23:56.03prpplaguehehe
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23:56.56jbevrengrr
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23:57.10joe_bleauprpplague: haven't really paid much attention lately.  The new stuff was pretty rough last time I looked, but I think that's because GPSFan was having some 'issues' at the time.
23:57.46prpplaguejoe_bleau: have a look http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board
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23:59.33joe_bleauUART's...shouldn't that be UARTs?
23:59.40jbevrenjoe_bleau: nope
23:59.43jbevrenUART's is correct
23:59.51jbevrenwhen pluralizing a contraction, you use an apostrophe

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