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| 03:16.59 | T0mW | ds2: yes, that cable will work. It is the MiniB (5pin) |
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| 14:26.45 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:26.49 | T0mW | gm |
| 14:49.57 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 14:54.00 | prpplague | T0mW: progress on your hammer dev? |
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| 15:53.32 | T0mW | prpplague: OE is building a kernel + filesystem. I tried the kernel, it works, haven't tried the filesystem yet. Right now, I am working at getting the apex bootloader built under OE |
| 15:53.57 | prpplague | T0mW: fun fun |
| 15:54.19 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, I did this sort of thing with the zipit |
| 15:54.29 | prpplague | T0mW: you are using OE because you need what? |
| 15:54.52 | T0mW | prpplague: basically a lot more apps |
| 15:55.19 | T0mW | prpplague: buildroot is ok, but, it really can suck when you are adding a new package to it. |
| 15:55.23 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, like what? just curious |
| 15:55.37 | prpplague | T0mW: funny, i say the same thing about OE |
| 15:56.10 | T0mW | prpplague: I plan on using Lazarus + an FPC cross compiler to build some gui apps. I just don't feel that a uClibc system would work well for that |
| 15:56.31 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:56.43 | CosmicPenguin | I recommended buildroot for building Linux-as-bootloader images for LinuxBIOS, and everybody turned it down |
| 15:57.29 | CosmicPenguin | the general attitude over there was that buildroot has jumped the shark |
| 15:57.54 | Crofton|laptop | jumped the shark? |
| 15:58.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jumped the shark? |
| 15:59.00 | Crofton|laptop | ~google jumped the shark |
| 15:59.27 | Crofton|laptop | tell me l8r, gotta disappear now |
| 15:59.28 | T0mW | prpplague: problem with OE is when you are developing a new app, it doesn't work as well as buildroot does at that sort of stuff. |
| 16:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | jump the shark has itself jumped the shark |
| 16:00.13 | T0mW | prpplague: are you having sex with fish now? |
| 16:00.20 | T0mW | lol |
| 16:00.55 | T0mW | oh |
| 16:01.00 | T0mW | Jump the Shark: Has Your Favorite TV Show Reached Its Peak? |
| 16:02.35 | T0mW | prpplague: I tend to agree with CosmicPenguin. I started to integrate the linux source build into the buildroot and after wading through the makefile trees realized that it was much simpler to do with OE |
| 16:03.01 | prpplague | T0mW: thats interesting |
| 16:03.10 | T0mW | prpplague: and, you know that I've done a lot of Makefile stuff and buildroot work in the past |
| 16:04.46 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, too many people, imho, have been hacking the overall structure of buildroot to make it something it wasn't suppose to be |
| 16:05.08 | prpplague | T0mW: but i still find using build a thousand times easier than OE |
| 16:05.11 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, the target/linux thingy is oddball |
| 16:05.36 | prpplague | T0mW: the amount of time it takes me to do an OE build is enormous comared to buildroot |
| 16:05.59 | T0mW | prpplague: it does take a lot of pain to get used to OE, even then you can have episodes where you are totally frustrated at not knowing how to get something done. |
| 16:06.46 | T0mW | the MAIN PROBLEM with OE is that nobody is documenting the fscking thing! |
| 16:06.57 | prpplague | T0mW: we are probably going to move to using landleys firmware linux soon |
| 16:07.00 | CosmicPenguin | and it moves really really fast |
| 16:07.05 | prpplague | T0mW: its getting pretty robust |
| 16:07.08 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 16:07.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats the other major problem |
| 16:07.15 | CosmicPenguin | if you're not involved in the core, you bitrot quickly |
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| 16:07.24 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: somebody turned off the community editing on the OE wiki |
| 16:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | though, I have been using esentially the same tree for over a year now with no ill effects |
| 16:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: OE suffers from a goodly amount of the attitude |
| 16:07.49 | T0mW | LOL |
| 16:07.53 | T0mW | yessir! |
| 16:07.58 | CosmicPenguin | they know better then you |
| 16:07.59 | CosmicPenguin | just remember that |
| 16:08.05 | T0mW | lots of tudes there |
| 16:08.10 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: thats why poky might be a good alternative |
| 16:08.17 | CosmicPenguin | RP gets it |
| 16:08.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed thats yet another reason we don't currently use OE |
| 16:10.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the few times we've tried using OE and needed help, trying to explain why need to do a custom app X the special way Y , and getting the "you are a moron" response doesn't benefit us |
| 16:12.34 | T0mW | it seems that they are all intent on building some holy grail called "angstrom" ?? |
| 16:12.54 | T0mW | whatever that is |
| 16:13.33 | T0mW | ~pokey? |
| 16:13.33 | purl | methinks pokey is a dumb poker game |
| 16:13.35 | CosmicPenguin | its a handheld distribution |
| 16:13.40 | CosmicPenguin | angstrom is |
| 16:13.55 | CosmicPenguin | poky is http://www.pokylinux.org/ |
| 16:14.04 | T0mW | tnx |
| 16:14.04 | CosmicPenguin | which is o-handed's port of OE |
| 16:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | targeted at Gnome/Maemo/etc |
| 16:14.45 | CosmicPenguin | which you would expect |
| 16:17.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: poky still uses monotone? |
| 16:17.31 | CosmicPenguin | no - I think poky uses svn |
| 16:17.47 | prpplague | ohhh goooood |
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| 16:18.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: warning though - its targeted at a maemo sort of environment |
| 16:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | its not going to have your random favorite embedded tool |
| 16:18.34 | CosmicPenguin | you would either have to port over from OpenEmbedded or write your own |
| 16:18.50 | CosmicPenguin | and o-handed puts everything upstream - so if you do the former, you're probably better off using OE vanilla |
| 16:20.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, our needs are pretty small |
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| 16:33.51 | T0mW | prpplague: any special reason not to use apex-1.5.8 ? |
| 16:35.27 | prpplague | T0mW: none other than i have not tested it with the hammer |
| 16:35.36 | T0mW | k |
| 16:35.45 | prpplague | T0mW: what does 1.5.8 provide that 1.5.6 doesn't? |
| 16:36.18 | T0mW | dunno, just thought I'd ask before considering possibly moving to 1.5.8 |
| 16:39.32 | T0mW | prpplague: ixp42x support |
| 16:39.54 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
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| 17:36.25 | T0mW | prpplague: question, in apex environ, "ramdisksrc *= nor:1280k+1024k" means: data from nor, start at location 1280K mark, and it is 1024K long? |
| 17:37.31 | prpplague | T0mW: correct |
| 17:37.40 | T0mW | k |
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| 18:05.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: what's up? |
| 18:05.26 | prpplague | dijenerate: nada, just doing some battery testing |
| 18:05.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: so same old, same old hehe |
| 18:06.01 | prpplague | dijenerate: same type of stuff, never the same stuff |
| 18:06.03 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe |
| 18:06.26 | dijenerate | prpplague: I hear ya... did u get those drivers working? |
| 18:06.35 | prpplague | dijenerate: which one? |
| 18:07.01 | dijenerate | prpplague: battery I think, you were working on them last week |
| 18:07.15 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea, i finally got the ic talking |
| 18:07.34 | dijenerate | prpplague: good stuff |
| 18:07.41 | prpplague | dijenerate: turns out the battery assembly house populated two internal resistors incorrectly |
| 18:08.02 | dijenerate | prpplague: ok, where was it made? |
| 18:08.06 | prpplague | dijenerate: they subsituted 100k in place of 10k |
| 18:08.18 | prpplague | dijenerate: as in country or company? |
| 18:08.50 | dijenerate | prpplague: yeah, so I know to blacklist them to avoid potential fires in my lab |
| 18:09.06 | dijenerate | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:09.25 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe, naw this is a prototype run, intended to find these kinds of problems |
| 18:09.37 | prpplague | dijenerate: besides the battery won't be available to the general public |
| 18:09.39 | dijenerate | prpplague: oh, ok |
| 18:10.12 | prpplague | dijenerate: this was just a short run of 10 batteries |
| 18:10.31 | prpplague | dijenerate: we will do a second run of 100 for field testing |
| 18:11.01 | prpplague | dijenerate: if those pass ok, we will go for a third run of 100 for UL and DoT testing |
| 18:11.13 | dijenerate | prpplague: ok, hopefully they get it right by then |
| 18:11.15 | prpplague | dijenerate: then a fourth run of 1500 |
| 18:11.32 | dijenerate | prpplague: ok |
| 18:11.41 | dijenerate | prpplague: good stuff |
| 18:11.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: well I'm here trying to get that GSM radio I told you about in my handheld to talk to Digicel over GPRS |
| 18:11.46 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea, it better be right by the 3rd run, as we'd be out alot of money for the UL and DoT testing |
| 18:12.02 | prpplague | dijenerate: fun fun |
| 18:12.25 | dijenerate | prpplague: gotta love stressful experiences |
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| 18:12.32 | dijenerate | prpplague: hehe |
| 18:12.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: my pppd knowledge is rusty |
| 18:13.02 | prpplague | dijenerate: we canceled my wife's cell phone in july, they sent us a bill for august and september , even though we canceled the service |
| 18:13.14 | dijenerate | prpplague: typical |
| 18:13.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:13.42 | dijenerate | prpplague: ttyl |
| 18:23.25 | T0mW | prpplague: YAY! ethernet works ... somewhat |
| 18:23.53 | T0mW | --- 192.168.211.202 ping statistics --- |
| 18:23.53 | T0mW | 40 packets transmitted, 9 packets received, 77% packet loss |
| 18:23.53 | T0mW | round-trip min/avg/max = 4.2/558.3/2995.4 ms |
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| 18:24.01 | T0mW | heh, it is a start though |
| 18:40.41 | prpplague | T0mW: thats odd |
| 18:40.48 | prpplague | T0mW: wonder whats going on with that |
| 18:41.14 | prpplague | T0mW: can you shoot me an update schematic |
| 18:41.16 | prpplague | ? |
| 18:41.37 | T0mW | yes |
| 18:42.14 | T0mW | I'm wondering if I have the wrong transformer / jack assembly on it. |
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| 18:47.43 | T0mW | prpplague: sent to: dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
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| 18:51.56 | prpplague | T0mW: wow you pdf causes evince to crash |
| 18:52.18 | T0mW | it was ps2pdf that created it |
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| 18:53.32 | prpplague | T0mW: acroread pulled it up |
| 18:58.34 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe the rbias resistor is too large, I have a 2.7K there, data sheet shows a 2.32K and sparkfun is using 2K |
| 19:01.08 | T0mW | prpplague: do you have a datasheet on the magnetic you are using? |
| 19:01.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't think so |
| 19:01.40 | prpplague | T0mW: the boss would since he did this board |
| 19:01.57 | prpplague | T0mW: man this pdf is hard to read |
| 19:02.02 | T0mW | I'll try dropping the rbias resistance |
| 19:02.04 | T0mW | prpplague: why? |
| 19:02.10 | T0mW | prpplague: too big? |
| 19:02.24 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, the magnetic? yeah |
| 19:02.34 | prpplague | T0mW: too fuzzy |
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| 19:02.40 | T0mW | ? |
| 19:03.22 | T0mW | prpplague: sharp as a knife here |
| 19:03.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:03.39 | prpplague | probably acroread |
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| 19:03.53 | T0mW | ~lart Dave for failing eyesight |
| 19:03.53 | purl | stamps Dave on the forehead with the official Troll marker for failing eyesight |
| 19:04.23 | T0mW | prpplague: you know you are getting old when you have to squint to see the women |
| 19:04.51 | prpplague | T0mW: curious you have a 560 ohm resistor on your crystal |
| 19:05.33 | prpplague | T0mW: neither the olimex or the edtp board has that |
| 19:06.03 | prpplague | T0mW: that could be throwing off your clock, which for ethernet is pretty tight |
| 19:07.02 | prpplague | T0mW: first thing i'd try is removing that 560 and replacing with a 0 ohm or a shorted with a wire |
| 19:12.54 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i think its going to probably be your crystal |
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| 19:16.51 | prpplague | T0mW: how well do you find the sd/mmc card driver for the zipit works? |
| 19:17.21 | T0mW | prpplague: worked ok |
| 19:17.30 | T0mW | prpplague: worked ok for the zipit, slow |
| 19:17.37 | prpplague | T0mW: yea it was bit banged |
| 19:17.47 | T0mW | prpplague: removing the resistor made it worse |
| 19:17.54 | prpplague | T0mW: really? |
| 19:18.12 | prpplague | T0mW: sounds like your crystal isn't in tolerance for what you need |
| 19:18.28 | prpplague | T0mW: try leaving the resistor out and replacing the caps with 10p |
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| 19:19.43 | T0mW | prpplague: ah |
| 19:20.03 | prpplague | T0mW: found it? |
| 19:20.04 | T0mW | looks like 2.7K might be too large, datasheet shows 2K |
| 19:20.15 | prpplague | T0mW: interesting |
| 19:20.16 | T0mW | RBIAS value |
| 19:27.12 | prpplague | T0mW: got 5 of those CH7013B chips in for samples |
| 19:27.28 | prpplague | T0mW: looks like the min order is 160 units |
| 19:27.57 | prpplague | T0mW: price isn't bad at all |
| 19:28.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i was expecting it to be a whole lot more |
| 19:30.17 | ds2 | morning |
| 19:36.15 | T0mW | prpplague: some smaller crystals cannot take a high level drive from some of these oscillators. If you drive them too hard for too long, they will crack, that is why the 560 ohm resistor |
| 19:36.46 | T0mW | unless spec'ed otherwise, I like to see a 1V P-P on a crystal |
| 19:40.40 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 19:50.15 | prpplague | T0mW: hey, is the datasheet for that lcd up on earthlcd? |
| 19:58.22 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:58.53 | prpplague | anyone know the resolution and color depth for the old arcade games like pacman and galaga |
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| 20:11.31 | CosmicPenguin | 8 bit |
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| 20:28.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just 256 colors, interesting |
| 20:28.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: any idea what the resolution was? |
| 20:28.45 | CosmicPenguin | all those old games were palettized |
| 20:28.53 | CosmicPenguin | they may have even been 16 color |
| 20:29.01 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:29.05 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how big the lookup tables were |
| 20:29.29 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sure you can clue into all the nitty gritty by reading the mame code |
| 20:29.36 | prpplague | i can do 256 colors to composit pretty easy, 4096 is gonna take some work |
| 20:29.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea googling now |
| 20:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | no - not 16 bit |
| 20:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | 16 colors |
| 20:29.51 | CosmicPenguin | 4 bit |
| 20:30.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i got what you said :) |
| 20:30.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just thinking out load |
| 20:31.04 | CosmicPenguin | so why did you say 4096? |
| 20:31.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: because i was hoping to support some vga stuff as well |
| 20:31.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but if i go with 8bpp that should cover the basic composit stuff |
| 20:40.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, guess i'm losing my touch on googling |
| 20:40.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: can't seem to find any data on screen resolution off hand |
| 20:40.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i'll have to dig around in some code |
| 20:42.41 | T0mW | prpplague: I put a trouble ticket in at MicroChip about this. Maybe they can advise about the magnetic. |
| 20:42.52 | prpplague | T0mW: still having trouble? |
| 20:43.00 | T0mW | prpplague: in any event, I would like to test out the SPI MMC, if possible. |
| 20:43.17 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm scheduled to work on that code tomorrow morning |
| 20:43.23 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, still loses 60% packets. Everything looks like it is wired correctly. |
| 20:43.37 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 20:43.51 | T0mW | prpplague: oh, any ideas on how I can test out USB gadget interface? |
| 20:43.52 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't seem to have that problem with the olimex or edtp boards |
| 20:44.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, you can enable the usb serial gadget driver |
| 20:44.43 | prpplague | T0mW: should be able to "just plug it in" to a linux pc |
| 20:44.52 | T0mW | prpplague: what does it show up as? |
| 20:45.05 | prpplague | T0mW: a usb to rs-232 adapter |
| 20:45.28 | T0mW | ok, does that do anything usefull? |
| 20:45.30 | prpplague | T0mW: for windows you'll need to enable the acm function and follow the directions in Documents/usb directory |
| 20:45.57 | T0mW | can you echo "some string " > /dev/ttySx or something? |
| 20:46.07 | prpplague | T0mW: we use it all the time since most of our legacy devices were ment use rs-232 communication for programming |
| 20:46.49 | prpplague | T0mW: yea depending on how your system is configured you can access it via /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 20:46.50 | T0mW | prpplague: I've not used the gadget interface before, I was just looking for a quick way to check to see if it was working properly |
| 20:47.09 | prpplague | T0mW: yea serial gadget is the easiest |
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| 21:34.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got 6 full hours with based current of 735mA |
| 21:34.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 735 is our absolute peak current |
| 21:35.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: with 350mA being typical |
| 21:35.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so we are figuring 12+ hours |
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| 21:45.53 | prpplague | T0mW: ho ho ho |
| 21:45.58 | prpplague | T0mW: merry freakin wed. |
| 21:46.42 | T0mW | prpplague: my xtal freq reads: 25.00039 MHz |
| 21:47.22 | prpplague | T0mW: 390 clocks off eh? |
| 21:47.28 | T0mW | yeah |
| 21:47.50 | T0mW | 15ppm |
| 21:47.56 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm |
| 21:48.03 | T0mW | within the xtal spec |
| 21:48.34 | T0mW | tolerance is 50ppm |
| 21:49.08 | T0mW | which would be @25MHz == 1250hz |
| 21:49.25 | T0mW | which would be @25MHz == +/- 1250hz |
| 21:49.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:49.34 | prpplague | T0mW: that should be ok |
| 21:49.39 | T0mW | gotta be the magnetic! |
| 21:49.48 | prpplague | thats my guess |
| 21:49.58 | T0mW | every prob that i've had with ethernet has been back to the magnetic |
| 21:50.29 | T0mW | hmmm, I have another mag-jack model here |
| 21:55.58 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 21:59.31 | T0mW | naw, just the same basic unit w/o LEDs in it |
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| 22:56.28 | Ent3r | hey guys |
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