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| 02:56.40 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 02:56.46 | prpplague | merry freakin monday evening |
| 02:58.30 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html |
| 03:00.00 | chouimat|away | prpplague: a startup nice :) |
| 03:08.11 | prpplague | chouimat|away: yea its a startup in a way, but in a way its nothing more than a sub company for aml |
| 03:08.25 | prpplague | chouimat|away: so we have all the weight and resources of aml available |
| 03:08.31 | prpplague | just not the name |
| 03:12.30 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm starting to like my new job ... |
| 03:13.26 | chouimat | prpplague: and I have a thing I never had before to do the task they gave me : enough time :) |
| 03:50.31 | flyback | hey frenchienuck |
| 03:50.33 | flyback | how you been? |
| 03:50.42 | flyback | ladies still treating you nice? |
| 03:50.54 | flyback | BRING |
| 03:50.55 | flyback | DOWN |
| 03:50.56 | flyback | THE |
| 03:50.57 | flyback | HAMMER |
| 03:53.08 | flyback | night bud |
| 03:54.26 | flyback | see intel/marvel that could have been you up their |
| 03:54.37 | flyback | but you guys are too busy *censored* with nda's and crap |
| 03:54.39 | flyback | so you lose |
| 03:54.41 | flyback | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE |
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| 14:18.55 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 14:54.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, I guess hammer is really live... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html |
| 14:54.50 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:55.24 | GPSFan | nice, but they didn't reference #edev. |
| 14:55.55 | GPSFan | or the wiki. |
| 14:56.30 | prpplague | yea, |
| 14:56.32 | prpplague | one sec phone |
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| 15:01.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, still some work to be done |
| 15:01.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: the tincantools.com website has a wiki link |
| 15:01.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: that takes it to elinux.org |
| 15:02.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: need to do some work over the weekend with some of additional wiki pages |
| 15:02.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, their pinnout still has the typo on pin 32, that's because the pdf at the tincantools site has it. |
| 15:02.11 | prpplague | GPSFan: what? |
| 15:02.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: serious? |
| 15:02.19 | GPSFan | yep |
| 15:02.47 | GPSFan | it's been corrected on the wiki but not on the pdf. |
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| 15:05.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: doh, getting corrected now |
| 15:05.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: thanks |
| 15:05.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: np.. |
| 15:05.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: you definetly earned your hardware and some more |
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| 15:05.36 | GPSFan | ;>)) |
| 15:09.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: spread the word! |
| 15:10.31 | GPSFan | prpplague: somehow I had the idea that the first price break was going to be at 2 units. |
| 15:11.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea iirc its 5 |
| 15:11.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: have you signed up on the forum yet? |
| 15:11.29 | chouimat|work | hmmmmm |
| 15:11.56 | prpplague | ~lart chouimat|work |
| 15:11.56 | purl | stabs chouimat|work |
| 15:11.58 | GPSFan | it is at 10, which is ok, but I thought I remembered a discussion about it being at 2. I'll sign up |
| 15:12.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll make you a moderator |
| 15:12.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: what? |
| 15:12.34 | GPSFan | maybe I won't then |
| 15:13.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:13.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: i just figured you might help some newbies if you had time |
| 15:13.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: just being mean on a tuesday morning |
| 15:14.12 | GPSFan | cul... |
| 15:14.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: later |
| 15:15.00 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I see do you know where i could find a buildroot with user mode linux support? |
| 15:16.21 | prpplague | hmm, i've not had an opportunity to use user mode linux, so i'm not real sure of its support in buildroot |
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| 15:47.49 | wmat | prpplague: you getting a new ZipIt? |
| 15:48.06 | prpplague | wmat: naw too busy with the Hammer and SledgeHammer |
| 15:48.40 | prpplague | wmat: we went live yesterday and already a ton of questions and requests |
| 15:49.01 | prpplague | wmat: i think tomw has one on order |
| 15:49.19 | wmat | prpplague: yeah, i'm kind of in the same boat, too much to do all the time |
| 15:49.33 | wmat | prpplague: when you sending me free hammer hardware??? ;) |
| 15:50.25 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, after exiles and jbevren shafted me on beta testing, i'm taking alot more time selecting people to send hardware too |
| 15:50.43 | prpplague | s/too/to |
| 15:51.01 | wmat | prpplague: is it ARM based? |
| 15:51.25 | prpplague | wmat: yea - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html |
| 15:52.13 | wmat | prpplague: is this a side project? |
| 15:52.19 | wmat | for you, i mean? |
| 15:52.35 | prpplague | wmat: tincantools is a sister company to aml |
| 15:52.46 | wmat | oh right, i didn't read down enough |
| 15:52.51 | wmat | neat |
| 15:52.53 | prpplague | wmat: so as time permits, i get to work on tincantools projects |
| 15:53.23 | wmat | well, I'm always interested in getting ARM boards working with our tools |
| 15:53.24 | prpplague | wmat: we've been working on the details for the boards for about 18 months now |
| 15:53.30 | wmat | fun |
| 15:53.49 | wmat | codesourcery |
| 15:53.57 | prpplague | oh yea |
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| 16:18.27 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, have the boss order a kit! |
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| 16:42.08 | wmat | prpplague: heh, I'll likely have to buy one myself. |
| 16:42.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:42.21 | wmat | prpplague: at least they're reasonably priced |
| 16:44.48 | prpplague | wmat: yea thats what we tried to do |
| 16:59.38 | prpplague | wmat: you guys do trainging classes like MV and Timesys? |
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| 17:41.24 | CP|home | huh - I doubt he does |
| 17:42.42 | prpplague | seems like i had seen him in a channel before |
| 17:43.24 | CP|home | sony probably has pretty big restrictions on IRC |
| 17:45.06 | wmat | prpplague: we can and will do training classes for customers |
| 17:45.26 | prpplague | CP|home: oh i didn't know he worked for sony |
| 17:45.29 | wmat | prpplague: we've only had that request from large customers though |
| 17:45.34 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 17:45.48 | CP|home | prpplague: you didn't? |
| 17:45.51 | CP|home | wow |
| 17:45.51 | prpplague | no |
| 17:46.01 | wmat | prpplague: as there'd be an additional cost, of course |
| 17:46.06 | prpplague | CP|home: i've never had any direct contact with him before |
| 17:46.25 | wmat | prpplague: tim doesn't hang out on irc |
| 17:46.26 | prpplague | wmat: yea, what i was getting at, the hammer would a good board to do classes with |
| 17:47.16 | wmat | prpplague: oh, i see. Training classes usually use whatever target the client is going after. Sometimes they have something they want us to use, sometimes not. |
| 17:47.46 | wmat | prpplague: it'd be a good demo platform though |
| 17:48.04 | wmat | prpplague: although, we typically demo with dev kits that include our toolchains |
| 17:48.16 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 17:48.40 | wmat | prpplague: you should get aml to redistribute our toolchain ;) |
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| 17:50.03 | prpplague | wmat: to what end? |
| 17:51.24 | CP|home | prpplague: well, then I think your butt needs to be at CELF this spring |
| 17:53.12 | prpplague | CP|home: same question... to what end? |
| 17:54.08 | CP|home | well - it would be a good chance to sell the hammer |
| 17:54.13 | CP|home | they usually have a demo room |
| 17:54.40 | CP|home | and more importantly, you need to network with people like Tim that can get things done |
| 17:55.46 | wmat | prpplague: a better end user experience, of course |
| 17:56.11 | wmat | prpplague: plus, you guys can forget about the toolchain and any support of it going forward |
| 17:56.16 | prpplague | wmat: hmm, we have a rather unique environment |
| 17:56.34 | wmat | prpplague: I thought you distributed a GNU Toolchain? |
| 17:57.02 | prpplague | CP|home: hmm, for argument sake, what kind of "things" would i need Tim for? |
| 17:57.23 | CP|home | I dunno |
| 17:57.27 | prpplague | wmat: we use standard uclibc gcc builds via buildroot? |
| 17:57.31 | prpplague | CP|home: hehe |
| 17:57.40 | CP|home | what do you want from me? Its the top embedded confrence for linux, you do embedded linux, you should be there |
| 17:58.05 | wmat | prpplague: ack. |
| 17:58.33 | wmat | prpplague: i'm kind of half joking; just thought I'd put it out there. I don't want to solicit business here :) |
| 17:58.34 | prpplague | CP|home: hehe, i was just playing devils advocate since my boss is going to ask the same questions |
| 17:58.52 | prpplague | wmat: np, i was curious as to what you thought would be an advantage |
| 17:59.01 | CP|home | Of all the conferences, its the most "commercial" |
| 17:59.03 | prpplague | wmat: we've never had a problem in the past |
| 17:59.05 | Crofton|home | CP|home, do you have alink? |
| 17:59.14 | CP|home | for? |
| 18:00.06 | prpplague | celf conference |
| 18:00.08 | prpplague | i assume |
| 18:00.34 | CP|home | http://www.celinuxforum.org/ |
| 18:00.42 | wmat | prpplague: did you notice, sjhill has begun merging his NPTL bits |
| 18:01.17 | wmat | CP|home: celinuxforum == elinux.org |
| 18:01.21 | CP|home | Crofton|home: they haven't announced the 08 confrence |
| 18:01.31 | Crofton|home | ah |
| 18:01.32 | CP|home | but its usually in april |
| 18:01.33 | Crofton|home | slackers |
| 18:01.53 | prpplague | wmat: naw hadn't notices |
| 18:01.53 | Crofton|home | http://www.celinux.org/elc2007/ |
| 18:02.13 | prpplague | CP|home: iirc didn't you present at celf this past year? |
| 18:02.20 | CP|home | two years ago |
| 18:02.40 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:02.40 | CP|home | I'm thinking about maybe doing something with LinuxBIOS this year - I'll have to see what the other LinuxBIOSish guys want to do |
| 18:02.47 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:02.53 | Crofton|home | http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/EmbeddedLinuxConference2008 |
| 18:09.48 | prpplague | CP|home: i'd just go myself, but the plane tickets are soooo darn expensive |
| 18:13.15 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I hope you will go |
| 18:13.33 | prpplague | chouimat|work: to OLS? |
| 18:14.07 | chouimat|work | yes |
| 18:14.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: so I can take my revenge .... muahahaha |
| 18:14.41 | prpplague | yea, i don't know, since AML doesn't pay for conferences, its usually out of my budget to attend |
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| 18:18.40 | prpplague | flyback: ping |
| 18:40.04 | mistik1 | Hey guys |
| 18:40.59 | mistik1 | Where can I find some info on the price point of wifi, GSM & GPS chips? |
| 18:49.12 | prpplague | mistik1: i'd start with sparkfun |
| 18:49.21 | prpplague | mistik1: for the gsm/gps |
| 18:49.30 | prpplague | mistik1: wifi is going to much much harder |
| 18:49.34 | mistik1 | ok |
| 18:49.38 | mistik1 | thanks |
| 18:49.53 | prpplague | mistik1: what kind of power do you need for the wifi? |
| 18:50.23 | mistik1 | prpplague: I'm not at all sure yet, just starting to research this |
| 18:52.36 | mistik1 | prpplague: I was thinking, could GPS/GSM be a replacement for active rfid technologies |
| 18:52.45 | mistik1 | what do you think |
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| 18:53.29 | mistik1 | prpplague: Meet ccherrett my business partner |
| 18:53.36 | ccherrett | prpplague: hey |
| 18:53.53 | prpplague | ccherrett: greetings |
| 18:54.20 | ccherrett | prpplague: ah you are working to put out the hammer board? |
| 18:54.27 | prpplague | mistik1: gps doesn't work well inside metal wharehouse buildings |
| 18:54.37 | prpplague | ccherrett: indeed we went live yesterday |
| 18:54.47 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html |
| 18:54.49 | ccherrett | very nice |
| 18:59.20 | prpplague | ccherrett: thanks |
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| 19:16.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2007111923052988 |
| 19:19.36 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea i read that earlier |
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| 20:17.54 | cbrake | prpplague: nice hammer writeup on linuxdevices |
| 20:18.11 | prpplague | cbrake: thanks |
| 20:18.22 | prpplague | cbrake: hope'n it will turn into sales and interest |
| 20:18.34 | prpplague | cbrake: what was your impression of the device after reading? |
| 20:18.41 | cbrake | prpplague: linuxdevices gets lots of traffic |
| 20:18.59 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:18.59 | cbrake | prpplague: when I take the time to get an article posted, hits on my site skyrocket |
| 20:19.12 | prpplague | cbrake: thanks |
| 20:21.15 | cbrake | prpplague: I think hammer will fill a nice niche in the market. |
| 20:21.39 | cbrake | prpplague: I could use some NAND flash though if you are taking suggestions for future models :-) |
| 20:22.05 | cbrake | prpplague: but, I suppose USB or SD storage would work as well |
| 20:22.17 | prpplague | cbrake: hehe, yea probably won;t move to nand flash untill the next rev of the board |
| 20:22.27 | prpplague | cbrake: how much are you needing? |
| 20:22.55 | cbrake | prpplague: the reason I say this is most of my projects are moving to C#, GTK, Python or some heavy piece that pushes the 16M boundary |
| 20:23.54 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh, then the easy solution would be to just use either a xD card for true nand flash, or use a sd/mmc via either the spi or usb interfaces |
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| 20:24.13 | cbrake | prpplague: xD -- I like that |
| 20:24.38 | cbrake | prpplague: I've not had real good success with regular SD cards, and the industrial grade cards are very pricey |
| 20:24.44 | prpplague | cbrake: if you aren't aware, xD cards are nothing more than a standard nand flash device in a removable package |
| 20:25.08 | cbrake | prpplague: yeah, I've never seriously considered them. That is a great idea. |
| 20:25.27 | prpplague | cbrake: the sockets are now fairly available |
| 20:26.33 | cbrake | prpplague: what is the HW interface? |
| 20:26.59 | prpplague | cbrake: same exact as a standard nand flash |
| 20:27.14 | prpplague | cbrake: 8-bit nand interface |
| 20:27.17 | cbrake | prpplague: its parallel? |
| 20:27.20 | cbrake | prpplague: ahh |
| 20:27.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:27.31 | cbrake | prpplague: that sounds like a perfect solution then |
| 20:29.12 | prpplague | cbrake: juicebox hack i did - http://www.elinux.org/JuiceBox_UMDCart |
| 20:33.03 | cbrake | prpplague: nice :-) |
| 20:33.31 | prpplague | you can interface to the nand flash pretty easy from the hammer |
| 20:33.47 | prpplague | cbrake: would you device be fixed power or mobile battery? |
| 20:33.50 | cbrake | prpplague: must be enough of the bus exposed on the pins then -- good |
| 20:34.24 | cbrake | prpplague: I'm thinking of an gateway application between a zigbee network, and the internet |
| 20:34.40 | cbrake | prpplague: so talk zigbee on one side, and REST web services on the other |
| 20:34.40 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh, so fixed power |
| 20:34.44 | cbrake | prpplague: yes |
| 20:34.59 | prpplague | cbrake: easy easy |
| 20:35.30 | cbrake | prpplague: what is your 200 pc price? |
| 20:35.33 | prpplague | cbrake: hammer board, with either a zigbee usb dongle or fixed zigbee uart, plus the enc28j60 and you are done |
| 20:35.47 | cbrake | prpplague: yup |
| 20:36.19 | prpplague | cbrake: iirc its $127.00 for qty 100+ for just the cpu board |
| 20:36.20 | cbrake | prpplague: + flash storage, so I can writed bloated applications in bloated languages :-) |
| 20:36.31 | cbrake | prpplague: ok |
| 20:36.48 | prpplague | cbrake: to be honest if all you would need is a good thumb drive |
| 20:37.23 | prpplague | cbrake: iirc zigbee usb dongles are pretty expensive aren't they? |
| 20:37.41 | cbrake | prpplague: we would probably put a module on the baseboard |
| 20:37.56 | prpplague | cbrake: something like xbee ? |
| 20:38.07 | cbrake | prpplague: customer is doing that end, some I'm not sure yet |
| 20:38.31 | prpplague | cbrake: ahh i'm not terribly familiar with zigbee, would it be a uart style interface? |
| 20:39.00 | cbrake | prpplague: probably so |
| 20:40.00 | prpplague | cbrake: if you can find out what kind of zigbee module they want to use, we probably could do generic board for you to do proof of concept with |
| 20:43.30 | prpplague | cbrake: yea looks like most of the modules are uart |
| 20:44.47 | cbrake | prpplague: I'll keep that in mind. Still at specification phase, so I'll know more in a few weeks. |
| 20:45.37 | prpplague | cbrake: so something like the size of the hammer carrier board, but with a uart for debugging, enc28j60 10baseT nice, two internal usb host connections for thumbdrive or etc, and pads to solder in a xbee module |
| 20:45.50 | prpplague | cbrake: and maybe a couple of leds in the front for status |
| 20:52.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: have fun |
| 21:10.55 | MothaWork | prpplague: many of the 802.15.4 chips I've seen are SPI. However, unless you have a software Zigbee stack for your platform or plan on writing one, you'll likely end up with a separate micro running the zigbee, and those usually are UART interfaced |
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| 21:25.21 | prpplague | MothaWork: ahh interesting |
| 21:25.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: the xbee shows to be standard uart |
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| 22:32.22 | prpplague | i can totally understand now why SFE dropped blueradio's modules from their product line |
| 22:34.20 | MothaWork | prpplague: the xbee is a module combining a bluetooth radio and a microcontroller to handle the zigbee stack |
| 22:34.37 | MothaWork | most of the bare 802.15.4 I've found radios are SPI |
| 22:35.12 | MothaWork | the issue is that if you want Zigbee, you either have to find a software stack (hard; most people seem to want to sell you a giant module), use a module, or write your own software stack |
| 22:35.35 | prpplague | MothaWork: right, we'd use a module |
| 22:35.37 | MothaWork | the only software stack I've located is a binary blob for AVR |
| 22:35.53 | MothaWork | yeah, we want to run the zigbee stack on our micro. It's more than powerful enough (ARM7) |
| 22:35.56 | MothaWork | but we can't find a stack |
| 22:36.22 | MothaWork | there's no room on the board for a giant zigbee module with its own micro, and it would also increase cost substantially compared to the bare radio |
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| 22:42.07 | prpplague | MothaWork: yea |
| 22:42.59 | MothaWork | you happen to know of any software zigbee stacks? |
| 22:43.27 | prpplague | sorry no, xbee is the only item i've every looked at for zigbee |
| 22:43.40 | MothaWork | hum, ok |
| 22:43.40 | prpplague | its not normally something people ask for in an industrial handheld |
| 22:43.48 | MothaWork | I guess |
| 22:43.59 | MothaWork | it's fairly popular for industrial control |
| 22:44.08 | MothaWork | but not many handheld apps there |
| 22:44.28 | MothaWork | oh well, going home |
| 22:44.52 | prpplague | MothaWork: later |
| 22:48.31 | prpplague | this is lovely - http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/11/20/iphone-ownership-doe.html |
| 22:53.34 | flyback | prpplague how are sales so far? |
| 22:53.47 | flyback | you hit "omgwtfbbq" level yet? :P |
| 22:53.54 | prpplague | flyback: hehe, no not yet |
| 22:54.01 | prpplague | flyback: about what we expected |
| 22:54.06 | flyback | cool :) |
| 22:54.10 | prpplague | flyback: only been 36 hours or so |
| 22:54.42 | flyback | hey I found a good use for a juicebox btw |
| 22:54.49 | flyback | friend told me about this hack he did |
| 22:54.51 | prpplague | oh? |
| 22:54.56 | flyback | took a cheap fiber optic tree |
| 22:54.59 | flyback | stuck the base onto a lcd |
| 22:55.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:55.16 | flyback | and fired off images thru using a light thru the back |
| 22:56.07 | flyback | already got a juicebox apart and my first fiber tree got lost in the flood but I kept the base which is the same as the replacemnt |
| 22:56.21 | flyback | so modding it up :P |
| 22:57.02 | flyback | I got thusrday till monday off so I might actually get something working :P |
| 22:58.43 | prpplague | flyback: as usually got you beat! i have wed thru monday off! |
| 22:58.49 | flyback | :P |
| 22:59.06 | prpplague | flyback: you on some new meds? |
| 22:59.14 | flyback | actually getting off paxil |
| 22:59.18 | flyback | down to 10mg from 40mg |
| 22:59.31 | flyback | the last 2 week change 20 to 10 went badly but better 2nd week |
| 22:59.41 | flyback | probbaly tomarrow going to cut again to 5 |
| 22:59.46 | flyback | then in 2 weeks nill |
| 22:59.54 | flyback | I don't looking forward to 0 entirely |
| 23:00.04 | flyback | paxil is a bitch for withdrawl |
| 23:00.08 | prpplague | flyback: well don't let it spoil your status here |
| 23:00.16 | flyback | i'll try not to :) |
| 23:00.32 | flyback | I gotta start surgery mabye tomarrow night |
| 23:00.37 | flyback | my dad's laptop went poof |
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| 23:03.28 | flyback | friend at work who had the same laptop gave him her hd and it's a perfect match |
| 23:03.28 | flyback | so going to try a board swap then head swap |
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| 23:03.29 | flyback | hopefully get it twitching long enought to sector dump |
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| 23:04.26 | flyback | actually it runs it can read about 50 meg into either end |
| 23:04.26 | flyback | past that though ick |
| 23:04.26 | flyback | if it's the problem this recovery noted dealing with the same family |
| 23:04.26 | flyback | then hitachi either fouled up the motor or the platter material |
| 23:04.26 | flyback | and I can't recovery from that :/ |
| 23:04.32 | flyback | recovery company noted |
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| 23:06.33 | flyback | man did flash get cheap |
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| 23:06.36 | flyback | it's wonderful |
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| 23:07.06 | flyback | it's like the hell with a hard drive for anything I don't need a lot of space or write cycles |
| 23:08.15 | flyback | ya know I bet the hammer would run off one of my wind gens :P |
| 23:11.20 | flyback | need a nap later |
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