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| 00:33.45 | kay2 | hi |
| 00:34.29 | kay2 | someone knows a fast and chip PPC or MIPS ? |
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| 00:49.24 | flyback | eh? |
| 00:49.31 | flyback | you mean soc? |
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| 00:51.16 | MonMotha | kay2: are there any criteria other than fast? |
| 00:54.51 | kay2 | MonMotha: a MAC core |
| 00:55.15 | kay2 | MonMotha: am looking at something I just add a ROM + RAM + PHY eventually |
| 00:56.31 | davidc__ | kay2: ARM doesn't work? |
| 00:58.37 | flyback | most spiders |
| 00:58.37 | flyback | you really have to fuck with |
| 00:58.37 | flyback | to get them to bite |
| 00:59.18 | flyback | excempt mabye black widow |
| 00:59.40 | flyback | dammit |
| 00:59.41 | flyback | wrong channel |
| 00:59.42 | flyback | sorry |
| 00:59.50 | kay2 | davidc__: too slow at 200mhz |
| 00:59.59 | davidc__ | kay2: ah |
| 01:00.02 | flyback | kay2 |
| 01:00.04 | flyback | check this |
| 01:00.04 | kay2 | i have 16 FPGA that produces data |
| 01:00.09 | flyback | www.tekgems.com |
| 01:00.15 | flyback | there is a $11 router |
| 01:00.17 | flyback | 8 meg ram |
| 01:00.19 | flyback | 8 meg flash |
| 01:00.21 | davidc__ | kay2: why not do it with an FPGA? |
| 01:00.24 | flyback | 200 mhz mips |
| 01:00.29 | kay2 | davidc__: for ethernet ? |
| 01:00.32 | flyback | 10/100 ethernet port and 10/100 switch |
| 01:00.39 | flyback | kay2 also inside has a usb port |
| 01:00.39 | ds2 | flyback: got an updated page on that? |
| 01:00.40 | davidc__ | kay2: yeah, if you're just streaming UDP, its pretty easy |
| 01:00.44 | kay2 | flyback: which one |
| 01:00.46 | flyback | and pcmcia mabye 32 bit cardbus header |
| 01:00.48 | flyback | lemme find it |
| 01:00.52 | flyback | compgeels has it also |
| 01:00.56 | davidc__ | kay2: well, not 100% easy, but its not all that bad |
| 01:00.58 | flyback | runs a gpl violated linux already :P |
| 01:01.08 | ds2 | flyback: updated one, not the one you pasted a while ago |
| 01:01.13 | flyback | updated? |
| 01:01.21 | ds2 | yeah, the guy didn't get that far |
| 01:01.25 | kay2 | flyback: am just looking for the CPU |
| 01:01.28 | kay2 | not a pci card |
| 01:01.29 | kay2 | ;) |
| 01:01.31 | flyback | kay2 I dunno sorry |
| 01:01.35 | flyback | no this is a router |
| 01:01.35 | ds2 | maybe something like bigbird's webpal page ;) |
| 01:01.37 | flyback | silly |
| 01:01.42 | flyback | you could mod it |
| 01:01.44 | flyback | for your project |
| 01:01.45 | MonMotha | kay2: there are much faster ARMs |
| 01:01.54 | kay2 | MonMotha: like which one ? |
| 01:01.57 | kay2 | MonMotha: arm9 ? |
| 01:01.57 | MonMotha | several |
| 01:02.04 | davidc__ | arm11 / xscae |
| 01:02.06 | davidc__ | *xscale |
| 01:02.09 | MonMotha | if you want lots of network bandwidth, look at the Intel IXP series |
| 01:02.22 | flyback | kay2 http://tekgems.com/Products/et-32857-net-is050t.htm |
| 01:02.44 | kay2 | davidc__: for bitbanging also its faster ? |
| 01:02.48 | MonMotha | also, there are lots of ARM926s out there |
| 01:03.01 | flyback | kay2 |
| 01:03.02 | flyback | http://www.docunext.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/snb10863.JPG |
| 01:03.06 | MonMotha | some of those can be clocked at ~300MHz |
| 01:03.15 | flyback | yeah there is intel strongarm |
| 01:03.20 | flyback | my palm uses a 416mhz one |
| 01:03.34 | ds2 | SA, AFAIK, doesn't do more then 200MHz |
| 01:03.36 | flyback | intel sold it to the nda sucking marvel company |
| 01:03.54 | MonMotha | I thought I'd heard of some 300+MHz ARM926s |
| 01:04.23 | flyback | did you guys see |
| 01:04.24 | kay2 | ?? |
| 01:04.29 | flyback | the product nvidia is selling now |
| 01:04.31 | ds2 | SA != ARM926 |
| 01:04.35 | davidc__ | kay2: bitbanging how? |
| 01:04.39 | flyback | gpu for number crunching |
| 01:04.41 | davidc__ | kay2: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:04.55 | kay2 | davidc__: well i have 16FPGA that are on a data/address bus |
| 01:05.03 | davidc__ | ok, |
| 01:05.06 | flyback | kay2 oh a full bus |
| 01:05.10 | kay2 | davidc__: and I have to select each of them quiet fast and read 4kb from each |
| 01:05.13 | flyback | then these routers probably won't be hackable for what you want |
| 01:05.16 | flyback | :/ |
| 01:05.17 | davidc__ | ok, well thats pretty easy |
| 01:05.20 | flyback | actually it might |
| 01:05.21 | davidc__ | with an FPGA |
| 01:05.23 | flyback | off the pcmcia port |
| 01:05.32 | kay2 | davidc__: yeah but after, how do you send over TCP |
| 01:05.33 | kay2 | ? |
| 01:05.36 | davidc__ | kay2: just have a state machine that generates the addresses |
| 01:05.42 | davidc__ | kay2: TCP is harder, UDP won;t work? |
| 01:05.43 | kay2 | davidc__: you need a CPU that is fast enough to send those over TCP |
| 01:05.54 | davidc__ | kay2: well, their are HW implementations of TCP |
| 01:06.04 | kay2 | davidc__: udp = adding protocol to make sure we didnt loose anything |
| 01:06.23 | kay2 | davidc__: I dont wanna bother with more ip cores |
| 01:06.25 | davidc__ | is it important to recover if you lose something? or just know you lost it? |
| 01:06.35 | kay2 | recover |
| 01:06.38 | kay2 | is important |
| 01:06.41 | MonMotha | ds2: oh I didn't see the SA mentioning |
| 01:06.44 | davidc__ | hmm, well what datarate is coming outta the FPGA? |
| 01:06.48 | davidc__ | *s |
| 01:07.01 | ds2 | MonMotha: flyback was refering to the SA |
| 01:07.09 | flyback | sa ? |
| 01:07.09 | MonMotha | ds2: oh, I have flyback ignored |
| 01:07.12 | flyback | why |
| 01:07.16 | ds2 | ah heh |
| 01:07.23 | ds2 | flyback: SA == Strong Arm |
| 01:07.28 | flyback | oh yeah |
| 01:07.29 | ds2 | maxes out at about 200MHz |
| 01:07.36 | ds2 | Xscale can do up to about 600MHz |
| 01:07.37 | flyback | xscale is around 600 now |
| 01:07.42 | flyback | that's what I mean't |
| 01:07.51 | kay2 | davidc__: total, 3Mb |
| 01:08.00 | flyback | kay2 mabye you should use a via eden |
| 01:08.01 | kay2 | davidc__: on a 32bit data bus |
| 01:08.13 | davidc__ | kay2, 3Mbit should be doable at 200mhz |
| 01:08.14 | MonMotha | 3Mb isn't that fast at all |
| 01:08.19 | davidc__ | kay2: no problem at all |
| 01:08.20 | flyback | 3 mbit? |
| 01:08.23 | flyback | or 3 mbyte |
| 01:08.29 | flyback | afaik even a 286 can handle 3 mbit |
| 01:08.33 | MonMotha | hell, you might be able to do that with a <100MHz ARM7 |
| 01:08.33 | davidc__ | kay2: I've done 3 Mbit with an SX52 @ 20mhz |
| 01:08.37 | ds2 | 3Mb doing what? |
| 01:08.38 | davidc__ | and thats 8 bit |
| 01:08.50 | kay2 | 3mb is not that fast |
| 01:08.52 | davidc__ | actually, I did 6Mbit, but that was only checking TCP, not generating it |
| 01:09.00 | kay2 | if you read from a memory |
| 01:09.07 | kay2 | but when you have to bitbang it becomes quiet fast |
| 01:09.12 | davidc__ | kay2: er, why bitbang? |
| 01:09.15 | MonMotha | you can't set up some sort of DMA thing? |
| 01:09.21 | MonMotha | or memory map the FPGA devices? |
| 01:09.26 | davidc__ | kay2: why not just stick the FPGA's on a address bus so you can see em mem mapped |
| 01:09.41 | davidc__ | hell, just tweak your FPGA core such that it fits the micro |
| 01:09.49 | flyback | uh yeah davidc__ |
| 01:09.50 | ds2 | 3Mb doing data is one thing, 3Mb reading a PCM stream and compressing it down to a MP3 stream in RT might be a bit more demanding |
| 01:09.51 | flyback | good point |
| 01:09.52 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 01:09.57 | kay2 | davidc__: could do that |
| 01:09.58 | flyback | you could probably use a embedded x86 to handle them all |
| 01:10.04 | flyback | if you mem mapped them |
| 01:10.12 | davidc__ | kay2: pretending to be an SRAM is pretty easy |
| 01:10.18 | flyback | kay2 |
| 01:10.21 | davidc__ | kay2: esp if the micro supports wait states |
| 01:10.25 | MonMotha | ds2: I guess I'm assuming from context that s/he simply wants to transmit the data via TCP |
| 01:10.28 | flyback | davidc__ |
| 01:10.31 | flyback | no need |
| 01:10.35 | flyback | he can get PSRAM |
| 01:10.41 | kay2 | PSRAM ? |
| 01:10.42 | flyback | it's all the rage |
| 01:10.49 | flyback | even winbond was pumping it out like a mofo |
| 01:10.50 | flyback | it's dram |
| 01:10.52 | MonMotha | PSRAM is just DRAM made to look like SRAM |
| 01:10.54 | flyback | but has a sram interface |
| 01:10.58 | davidc__ | flyback: no need to add extra parts |
| 01:11.06 | ds2 | unless the other end needs back to pack packets, TCP can tolerate a lot of delay |
| 01:11.07 | flyback | davidc__ this doesn't |
| 01:11.12 | davidc__ | flyback: besides, he wants the FPGA's to look like SRAM |
| 01:11.16 | davidc__ | flyback: so he can directly address em |
| 01:11.18 | flyback | oh the fpga |
| 01:11.25 | flyback | thought you were talking about a buffer |
| 01:11.29 | flyback | and dram was too hard to deal with |
| 01:11.30 | flyback | my bad |
| 01:11.35 | ds2 | 3Mb serial... might be able to use the SPI engine to cut the figure down by a factor of 8...then there is the DMA |
| 01:11.46 | davidc__ | well, is he compressing PCM? |
| 01:11.48 | MonMotha | ds2: he's said it's a 32bit bus |
| 01:11.58 | davidc__ | kay2: are you just reading and shoving it out TCP? |
| 01:12.02 | davidc__ | kay2: no other processing? |
| 01:12.21 | flyback | hey davidc__ |
| 01:12.26 | flyback | did you see what I pasted about last night |
| 01:12.32 | davidc__ | probably not |
| 01:12.36 | kay2 | davidc__: yeah |
| 01:12.37 | flyback | analog devices still sells a codec it's even rohs now |
| 01:12.40 | ds2 | MonMotha: Hmmmmm then the actual processing rate is 3Mb/32 or about 100Kb |
| 01:12.42 | flyback | parallel port |
| 01:12.43 | flyback | :) |
| 01:12.46 | flyback | 16 bit 44 khz |
| 01:12.48 | ds2 | that's pretty trivial slow |
| 01:12.49 | flyback | can be dma or pio |
| 01:13.01 | flyback | comes in a plcc package option also :) |
| 01:13.07 | MonMotha | ds2: yeah, like ARM7 slow |
| 01:13.10 | MonMotha | or less |
| 01:13.24 | davidc__ | ok... dunno what you're all talking about about PCM - where did he say he needed PCM? |
| 01:13.31 | kay2 | davidc__: so your suggestion is to use a FPGA that would go take all the values, store it in a ram, and that is seen as a SRAM by the ARM9 ? |
| 01:13.43 | MonMotha | davidc__: I think ds2 was just giving an example to state that the problem description was incomplete |
| 01:13.46 | ds2 | MonMotha: yep... no OS, bare ARM7 |
| 01:14.18 | MonMotha | kay2: depending on the architecture of what's on the FPGA, there may need to even use a RAM on the FPGA. Just memory map all the registers and such |
| 01:14.18 | davidc__ | kay2: no, just make the FPGA look like an SRAM.. I assume your data is already in a dual port ram or something? |
| 01:14.27 | ds2 | don't mind me, trying to debug a USB driver in another window and reading web pages in yet another so I probally sound a bit scattered brained ;) |
| 01:14.53 | MonMotha | hum....what to do for dinner... |
| 01:15.11 | kay2 | davidc__: no my values are stored in 4kb in each FPGA |
| 01:15.19 | kay2 | davidc__: when ready I have to go fetch them |
| 01:15.20 | davidc__ | kay2: how are they stored in the FPG |
| 01:15.22 | davidc__ | er, FPGA? |
| 01:15.23 | kay2 | and send them over ethenet |
| 01:15.30 | kay2 | internal ram |
| 01:15.41 | MonMotha | so just put that RAM on the CPU bus |
| 01:15.52 | MonMotha | you'll need dual port RAMs potentially, but most FPGAs have that feature |
| 01:16.12 | flyback | so go salvage some old video cards |
| 01:16.12 | flyback | :P |
| 01:16.25 | MonMotha | if you don't have DPRAMs available, you'll have to let the internal RAM be arbitrated between the internal stuff and the CPU using wait states and such |
| 01:16.28 | MonMotha | but that's also doable |
| 01:17.46 | davidc__ | kay2: what MonMotha said ;) |
| 01:18.46 | kay2 | it is spartan3 so has dual port ram |
| 01:18.55 | MonMotha | then I'd say take option A |
| 01:19.00 | MonMotha | just put that RAM on the CPU bus |
| 01:19.03 | davidc__ | kay2: yeah, just drop it on the bus |
| 01:19.09 | ds2 | softcore ;) |
| 01:19.12 | davidc__ | just need a bit of address decoding |
| 01:19.15 | jbevren | mmm |
| 01:19.18 | jbevren | softcore |
| 01:19.22 | jbevren | oh, not porn. I get it |
| 01:19.24 | davidc__ | lot easier than bit banging, thats for sure |
| 01:19.32 | jbevren | mmm banging.. |
| 01:19.35 | jbevren | ok I'll stop |
| 01:20.45 | MonMotha | kay2: actually, ds2 is right |
| 01:20.55 | MonMotha | you could potentially chuck the CPU right on the FPGA if there's room |
| 01:21.03 | kay2 | no room |
| 01:21.53 | MonMotha | well, then stick with option A |
| 01:22.10 | davidc__ | yeah, even a cheapo arm7 should be able to do it |
| 01:22.17 | davidc__ | if its memmapped |
| 01:22.49 | kay2 | davidc__: so I could use a cpld to demultiplex some of the address line and connect each of the signal to the ChipSelect of each fpga ? |
| 01:23.05 | kay2 | like that they would be seen as a sram |
| 01:23.09 | MonMotha | heck, you could use a 74HC138 or similar if you want to |
| 01:23.14 | davidc__ | kay2: no, do the demultiplexing in the fpgas |
| 01:23.25 | davidc__ | just have all the addy lines run to all, and put a slightly different core on each |
| 01:23.26 | MonMotha | or yeah, if you have the IO on the FPGA, do it that way |
| 01:23.49 | ds2 | I am wondering if you are not better off making it serial and just make it look like an I2S interface |
| 01:24.01 | ds2 | lots of procs have hardware support for I2S |
| 01:24.04 | MonMotha | this is audio? |
| 01:24.04 | davidc__ | ds2: that sounds like a complex solution |
| 01:24.14 | ds2 | I2S is just a serial bus |
| 01:24.17 | davidc__ | ds2: even more have memory busses :P |
| 01:24.21 | ds2 | audio uses it but is so simple |
| 01:24.26 | MonMotha | true |
| 01:24.34 | MonMotha | though at that point you could just use SPI |
| 01:24.40 | ds2 | davidc__: lot of the smaller ARM7s have no external memory bus (i.e. lot of the ADI stuff) |
| 01:24.50 | davidc__ | ds2: yup - but you can get ones that do |
| 01:24.58 | MonMotha | many ARMs have very fast SPI controllers |
| 01:25.02 | ds2 | you could use SPI but nice thing about I2S is they are usually setup do DMA or DMA like |
| 01:25.11 | MonMotha | lots of ARMs have DMA for SPI, too |
| 01:25.15 | ds2 | davidc__: but more pins, more complex layout and.... |
| 01:25.24 | MonMotha | I know the SAM7X series from Atmel does |
| 01:25.36 | davidc__ | ds2: heh, if he has 16 FPGAS, don't think he's worried about layout ;) |
| 01:25.40 | ds2 | hmmm never had to do high speed SPI, interesting |
| 01:26.08 | ds2 | <--- learned to min. external wiring after wire wrapping a few boards |
| 01:26.32 | MonMotha | ds2: yeah, I've seen 80MHz SPI before |
| 01:26.32 | MonMotha | heh, you can't wire wrap 80MHz signals :) |
| 01:26.40 | MonMotha | well, you can, but I'd recommend coax cable |
| 01:27.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 01:27.42 | ds2 | 32bit bus, each line is a coax cable... 16 entities on the bus... Hmmmmm |
| 01:27.51 | ds2 | you volunteering? ;) |
| 01:27.59 | MonMotha | ds2: no, this is why we have PCBs |
| 01:28.03 | jbevren | wrapping the shields would be nightmarish |
| 01:28.35 | MonMotha | I've found that buying wire wrap sockets and wire is almost as expensive as cheap proto PCBs |
| 01:28.42 | MonMotha | so I just have boards made |
| 01:28.43 | jbevren | nod |
| 01:28.55 | MonMotha | it may cost an extra $10, but it's worth it in reduced hassle and build time |
| 01:29.03 | ds2 | unless you are using your 15year old pile of random parts |
| 01:29.11 | MonMotha | ah, my pile isn't 15 years old |
| 01:29.13 | jbevren | like me? :D |
| 01:29.31 | jbevren | I still play with 5v logic |
| 01:29.33 | ds2 | still got quite a few DIP WW sockets around |
| 01:29.39 | MonMotha | jbevren: oh, so do I |
| 01:29.45 | MonMotha | I point to point wire it on perfboard :) |
| 01:29.47 | ds2 | jbevren plays with 'high voltage' ;) |
| 01:29.51 | jbevren | hehe |
| 01:29.57 | jbevren | no, not ECL :) |
| 01:29.59 | MonMotha | well, I've also been known to build power supplies |
| 01:30.21 | MonMotha | got a 25W flyback model at work right now |
| 01:30.24 | MonMotha | 24-200VDC input |
| 01:30.29 | MonMotha | or 24-120VAC input |
| 01:30.42 | MonMotha | it's mostly working |
| 01:30.42 | jbevren | fun :) |
| 01:30.52 | jbevren | Ive been hit by 25kv in the hand |
| 01:30.55 | jbevren | once is enough |
| 01:30.57 | MonMotha | CRT? |
| 01:31.01 | jbevren | nod |
| 01:31.06 | MonMotha | yeah, this is only putting out 24V |
| 01:31.08 | jbevren | 37" tv |
| 01:31.14 | jbevren | bruised my hadn badly |
| 01:31.15 | flyback | ow that hurts |
| 01:31.17 | jbevren | broke the case |
| 01:31.17 | MonMotha | it will |
| 01:31.26 | jbevren | in the end we gave the guy a new tv heh |
| 01:31.28 | MonMotha | that's why you discharge them before fscking around with the anode |
| 01:31.34 | flyback | yeah |
| 01:31.35 | jbevren | I -was- discharging :) |
| 01:31.37 | flyback | STUPID CANUCK |
| 01:31.38 | jbevren | the resistor was open :X |
| 01:31.41 | MonMotha | hah |
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| 01:31.44 | flyback | YOU WALWAYS CHECK |
| 01:31.46 | flyback | geez |
| 01:31.48 | flyback | even I know this |
| 01:31.56 | flyback | when dealing with voltagesa that can stop your heart |
| 01:31.58 | flyback | as in you die |
| 01:32.03 | flyback | YOU ALWAYS CHECK THE GEAR FIRST |
| 01:32.03 | MonMotha | a lot of people don't even bother with the series resistor |
| 01:32.04 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:32.06 | jbevren | flyback |
| 01:32.06 | flyback | WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU |
| 01:32.07 | flyback | geez |
| 01:32.09 | jbevren | let me explain something |
| 01:32.09 | ds2 | could be worse, you could've had 2 hands in there on that part ;) |
| 01:32.15 | jbevren | electricity does worse things than death |
| 01:32.18 | jbevren | paralisys |
| 01:32.23 | flyback | yeah I know |
| 01:32.26 | MonMotha | uh yeah |
| 01:32.28 | jbevren | brain damage |
| 01:32.31 | flyback | I lost feeling in my finger for a while |
| 01:32.33 | jbevren | (leading to mental issues) |
| 01:32.33 | flyback | from a atx psu |
| 01:32.35 | MonMotha | electricity can be very dangerous |
| 01:32.37 | flyback | few weeks |
| 01:32.40 | jbevren | I'm well aware :) |
| 01:32.47 | flyback | yeah still my point is the same |
| 01:32.49 | MonMotha | you can kill yourself with a 9V battery if you want to |
| 01:32.53 | jbevren | I studied electrical safety in college. No need to lecture |
| 01:32.57 | flyback | when you are dealing with shit that can bit your ass hard |
| 01:33.02 | flyback | you need to be extra paranoid |
| 01:33.04 | jbevren | so yeah |
| 01:33.08 | jbevren | click your mute button |
| 01:33.11 | jbevren | so we can continue :) |
| 01:33.13 | flyback | I like you |
| 01:33.17 | flyback | I hate to see you die |
| 01:33.25 | flyback | we need more smart people :P |
| 01:33.26 | MonMotha | I do work on monitors, but I'm very respectful of them |
| 01:33.37 | MonMotha | I discharge them unnecessarily and avoid risky adjustment while they're turned on |
| 01:33.53 | flyback | then again I am so cynical at this point |
| 01:33.54 | MonMotha | I have a nice setup for discharging them that pretty well eliminates risk if you're not a total idiot |
| 01:33.56 | jbevren | flyback: also |
| 01:34.02 | flyback | i'd welcome a fatal jolt from one of my crt's |
| 01:34.03 | jbevren | if youre checking the HV output for proper voltage.. :) |
| 01:34.14 | jbevren | you cant have it off and discharged |
| 01:34.15 | MonMotha | oh that's a fun operation... |
| 01:34.26 | jbevren | lol we had a 24" long HV probe for that |
| 01:34.27 | flyback | yeah but then you wear arm length gloves etc |
| 01:34.38 | ds2 | isn't that a job for the fresh interns? ;) |
| 01:34.41 | flyback | actually |
| 01:34.42 | flyback | damn |
| 01:34.46 | flyback | that would be a good product |
| 01:34.48 | flyback | jbevren |
| 01:34.50 | flyback | humor me |
| 01:34.55 | flyback | what about this |
| 01:34.56 | jbevren | MonMotha: Monitors bleh |
| 01:35.02 | jbevren | they must have to have strong drivers |
| 01:35.03 | flyback | a circuit that switches on/off a ac socket |
| 01:35.07 | flyback | you attach a wire to yourself |
| 01:35.12 | jbevren | one of mine does 160hz 1600x1200i |
| 01:35.13 | flyback | and if it detects any kinda of current leakage |
| 01:35.16 | jbevren | er 120hz |
| 01:35.16 | flyback | *CLICK* |
| 01:35.22 | MonMotha | yeah, they get up there |
| 01:35.31 | MonMotha | I've got a 27" that does 800x600p60 |
| 01:35.36 | flyback | jbevren basically a wearable gfic |
| 01:35.44 | jbevren | MonMotha: I used to drool over Destination 31" displays |
| 01:35.53 | MonMotha | heh, this is an arcade monitor :) |
| 01:35.58 | jbevren | flyback: you cant groudnfault without a ground reference |
| 01:36.01 | MonMotha | one of the few applications of CRTs left |
| 01:36.24 | flyback | jbevren |
| 01:36.25 | MonMotha | zero lag, high contrast, and perfect black are something that is almost impossible to achieve with other technologies |
| 01:36.33 | flyback | I didn't say it had to necessarily have to be a ground fault |
| 01:36.35 | ds2 | actually GCFI's can work w/o a ground |
| 01:36.35 | MonMotha | though some of the new Samsung LCDs are impressive |
| 01:36.37 | flyback | I was just saying rhe same idea |
| 01:36.40 | jbevren | MonMotha: nodnod |
| 01:36.42 | flyback | yeah they can ds2 |
| 01:36.54 | jbevren | ds2: they can |
| 01:36.58 | jbevren | measure load across hot |
| 01:37.01 | jbevren | as well as load across neutral |
| 01:37.10 | jbevren | if those loads are unequal, the circuit is center-grounded |
| 01:37.11 | jbevren | interrupt |
| 01:37.13 | flyback | jbevren I seen circuitx using a mosfet and a piece of wire |
| 01:37.17 | flyback | to detect static charges |
| 01:37.40 | ds2 | or put it another way, if the differential voltage exceeds threshold, there is a fault |
| 01:37.40 | jbevren | that said, lets resume from before flyback's tangent :) |
| 01:37.47 | jbevren | ds2: right |
| 01:37.56 | flyback | so why can't that idea be modding to trip off any sense of power off self |
| 01:38.00 | flyback | modded |
| 01:38.35 | flyback | there was a neat tv/monitor repair class on youtube |
| 01:38.39 | flyback | I love stuff like that |
| 01:38.52 | flyback | jbevren since you work on them |
| 01:39.07 | jbevren | used to. I dislike analogue hehe |
| 01:39.09 | flyback | what causes a black line on the screen that moves around not movement like analog |
| 01:39.12 | jbevren | its such a pita :) |
| 01:39.19 | flyback | it almost looks like a osd error |
| 01:39.21 | jbevren | in crt's? |
| 01:39.28 | flyback | yeah someone gave me a nice 19 inch philips |
| 01:39.31 | flyback | beautiful |
| 01:39.37 | flyback | but that damn line just pops up |
| 01:39.45 | flyback | almost looks like a ram error ona vid card |
| 01:39.54 | jbevren | is it stationary? |
| 01:39.57 | flyback | no |
| 01:40.01 | flyback | it jumps at random |
| 01:40.07 | flyback | but no oscillation |
| 01:40.13 | flyback | power cycle clears it |
| 01:40.15 | flyback | for a bit |
| 01:40.16 | jbevren | always a full line? |
| 01:40.19 | flyback | yes |
| 01:40.33 | jbevren | have you turned up the sub bright to see if its an analogue glitch? |
| 01:40.46 | flyback | both are maxed out already |
| 01:40.57 | flyback | sub bridght? is that brightness control? |
| 01:41.00 | jbevren | you need to turn up the sub bright so you can see overscan |
| 01:41.11 | jbevren | you'll know when youve got it cause black will be grey with angled bands :) |
| 01:41.13 | flyback | hmm |
| 01:41.19 | jbevren | the angled bands are horiz retrace during vertical refresh |
| 01:41.23 | jbevren | er vertical blank |
| 01:41.29 | jbevren | the OSD wont be able to do that :) |
| 01:41.33 | flyback | ah |
| 01:41.41 | jbevren | sub bright is a factory setting |
| 01:41.46 | flyback | problem is with this monitor cause I thought about using a washdown on it |
| 01:41.52 | flyback | it has a full metal cage under the cover |
| 01:41.54 | jbevren | get your little plastic screwdriver out and find the pot inside :) |
| 01:42.06 | jbevren | naw, dont wash HV electronics unless theyre arcing |
| 01:42.12 | jbevren | leave well enough alone in that arena |
| 01:42.22 | flyback | I did it when my envision 19 was too filthy to tweak :P |
| 01:42.27 | flyback | it loved it |
| 01:42.51 | flyback | :/ |
| 01:43.01 | flyback | when I was walking thru that 6 inches of water |
| 01:43.12 | flyback | literally a pc power supply cord ws in the water |
| 01:43.16 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:43.21 | flyback | 3 inches from my toes in flip flops |
| 01:43.24 | jbevren | and you lecture me :) |
| 01:43.28 | flyback | I was like "oh so this is how it ends" |
| 01:43.39 | flyback | hey I didn't know I came home to a bunch of water in the basement |
| 01:43.45 | jbevren | oddly, if ou keep your distance, youc an avoid all but some numbing in your feet |
| 01:43.53 | jbevren | I speak by relative experience |
| 01:43.59 | flyback | well I jumped on a chair pretty fast |
| 01:43.59 | jbevren | I grew up in a family of fishers |
| 01:44.00 | flyback | :P |
| 01:44.03 | jbevren | this means we need lots of worms |
| 01:44.15 | jbevren | so you take a lamp cord, put two 24" metal stakes on the end of it |
| 01:44.20 | jbevren | stick em in the ground about 3 feet apart |
| 01:44.23 | jbevren | plug it in |
| 01:44.24 | flyback | yeah I know the worms go WTF and pop up |
| 01:44.27 | jbevren | worms sprout like weeds |
| 01:44.39 | flyback | sounds like a bad horror movie |
| 01:45.00 | jbevren | if you stand right in the middle your feet go numb |
| 01:45.01 | jbevren | hehe |
| 01:45.17 | flyback | :p |
| 01:45.39 | flyback | there is this lady in the electronics channel |
| 01:45.45 | flyback | in some ass backwards part of alabama |
| 01:45.58 | flyback | neighbords dogs harass her and the judge sideed with her |
| 01:46.10 | flyback | and she's in a wheelchair |
| 01:46.23 | flyback | I told her she should rig u p something like a shock system |
| 01:46.27 | flyback | tough shit if the dogs cross |
| 01:46.39 | flyback | err sorry |
| 01:46.46 | flyback | the judge sided with the hicks with the dogs |
| 01:46.53 | jbevren | fi she can use her arms, give her a tazer |
| 01:47.39 | flyback | funny she says the hicks cite being religious and got off with the judge that way |
| 01:48.01 | flyback | last time I checked the bible says "if you have a animal that has a history of killing people and you let it get loose, IT'S YOUR ASS" |
| 01:48.09 | flyback | :p |
| 01:48.38 | flyback | BUT ANYWAYS |
| 01:48.47 | flyback | what do you suspect is wrong with the monitor |
| 01:48.50 | flyback | and is it worth fixing |
| 01:48.58 | jbevren | last time I checked the bible, I found no reference about cats |
| 01:49.03 | jbevren | have you ever noticed that? :) |
| 01:49.09 | jbevren | theyre the only animal completely left out |
| 01:49.33 | ds2 | unless god is a cat... |
| 01:49.43 | jbevren | ds2: Youre egyptian?! |
| 01:49.44 | jbevren | lol |
| 01:53.27 | flyback | bah you are all probably too young to remeber that |
| 01:55.27 | flyback | jbe |
| 01:55.36 | flyback | the black line appears to be 1 pixel wide btw |
| 01:55.55 | jbevren | didnt you reply yes to the full width question? :) |
| 01:56.07 | flyback | no I mean high |
| 01:56.08 | flyback | sorry |
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| 04:44.42 | MonMotha | hey, anyone still in? |
| 04:44.58 | MonMotha | I'm looking to where I might get some "usb key" type enclosures that I can mount a custom board in |
| 05:11.37 | SpeedEvil | there are stupid solutions. |
| 05:11.49 | SpeedEvil | dealextreme,com |
| 05:12.02 | SpeedEvil | find the cheapest usb thing |
| 05:17.50 | MonMotha | yeah, that would be kinda stupid, though I guess remotely acceptable for low volume |
| 05:18.05 | MonMotha | though many of those are impossible to take apart without breaking them |
| 05:18.54 | SpeedEvil | I've found the opposite. |
| 05:19.10 | SpeedEvil | most of them IME snap apart with a fingernail |
| 05:19.47 | MonMotha | really? all of them seem to break clips when you do that |
| 05:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - the ones I've seen anyway. |
| 05:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, I remember seeing these a while back on some site. |
| 05:28.40 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly as I don't recall the URL |
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| 09:24.19 | davidc__ | MonMotha: have you checked polycase? |
| 09:25.59 | davidc__ | nm, they don't seem to have it... odd. |
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| 15:22.24 | prpplague | jimp: still here? |
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| 17:16.48 | prpplague | dijenerate: hows the island today? |
| 17:17.20 | prpplague | dijenerate: been hearing that alot of people are still feeling sick from yesterday? |
| 17:31.48 | dijenerate | well it seems back to normal todya |
| 17:53.24 | sunrunner20 | yesterday? |
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| 19:08.32 | prpplague | davidc__: greetings, finally heard from nathan |
| 19:08.53 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 19:09.04 | prpplague | chouimat|away: greetings earthling |
| 19:09.16 | prpplague | oops wrong nick compeletion |
| 19:13.12 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 19:13.43 | prpplague | chouimat|work: so used to irc'n with you with the word "work" associate with your nick hehe |
| 19:14.00 | prpplague | s/with/without |
| 19:14.08 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hehe |
| 19:15.30 | prpplague | ho ho ho, merry freakin friday |
| 19:15.37 | Crofton | bah humbug |
| 19:15.52 | CosmicPenguin | how are the islands doing? |
| 19:16.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: everything seems back to semi-normal |
| 19:16.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just some minor damages |
| 19:16.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.nationnews.com |
| 19:19.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from what i can tell there have been some phone/net outages, but otherwise things are ok |
| 19:20.59 | CosmicPenguin | good |
| 19:22.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: donna was almost hysterical for about 3 or 4 hours yesterday |
| 19:22.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: worrying about her family |
| 19:22.11 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - earthquakes are scary |
| 19:22.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: left hand today? |
| 19:22.47 | CosmicPenguin | not to be fiippant though, I would expect that people on the island are used to these sorts of emergencies |
| 19:23.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: first earthquake in 40 years |
| 19:23.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for barbados |
| 19:23.40 | CosmicPenguin | well - sure |
| 19:23.46 | CosmicPenguin | but hurricanes, tidal waves, etc... |
| 19:24.05 | prpplague | no recorded tidal wave for barbados |
| 19:24.07 | CosmicPenguin | the entire east coast is one big earthquake in Africa away from badness |
| 19:24.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but hurricanes yea |
| 19:24.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:24.32 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:24.47 | CosmicPenguin | Lets take Denver for example |
| 19:24.55 | CosmicPenguin | we're not really prepared for major natural disasters, because we don't get them |
| 19:25.00 | CosmicPenguin | no chance of hurricanes |
| 19:25.07 | prpplague | ahh i see your point |
| 19:25.09 | CosmicPenguin | little earthquake chance |
| 19:25.21 | CosmicPenguin | we get tornados and blizzards |
| 19:25.33 | CosmicPenguin | the first is localized in a very small area, and here next to the monutains we don't get big ones |
| 19:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | and blizzards suck, but they're not exactly killer storms |
| 19:25.59 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 19:26.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: left hand today? |
| 19:26.15 | CosmicPenguin | So if, say, Yellowstone exploded, we would be in trouble |
| 19:26.24 | CosmicPenguin | but I guess if Yellowstone exploded, the entire planet would be in trouble |
| 19:26.27 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: hnmm - maybe |
| 19:26.49 | CosmicPenguin | I have a bomber of Avery barleywine and a bomber of Avery Czar imperial stout at home |
| 19:26.58 | CosmicPenguin | probably should drink those |
| 19:27.09 | CosmicPenguin | I also still have two cans of Ten Fiddy |
| 19:27.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: avery brew doesn't jump out for me |
| 19:27.25 | CosmicPenguin | it doesn't for me either |
| 19:27.28 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure why I bought it |
| 19:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | Well - I know why I bought the czar - it gets good reviews |
| 19:27.47 | CosmicPenguin | everybody says it should be cellared for a few years |
| 19:27.58 | CosmicPenguin | so I thought I should try it, and if it was decent, I would buy a few for the basement |
| 19:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | And I think I was just craving a barleywine for some reason |
| 19:28.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i mean i'd drink it over AB stuff any day, but i have a choice between avery and some other quality brew, avery would lose |
| 19:28.37 | CosmicPenguin | Agreed |
| 19:29.00 | CosmicPenguin | I could go get some lefhand snowbound |
| 19:29.02 | CosmicPenguin | I suppose |
| 19:29.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was thinking of some good winter ales |
| 19:29.44 | CosmicPenguin | I had a bottle of Rogue Santas Private Reserve last weekend |
| 19:29.58 | prpplague | oh nice |
| 19:30.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i just went to ratebeer.com and what do i see on the front page, me! hehe |
| 19:30.24 | CosmicPenguin | Can you get New Belgium Frambozen there? |
| 19:30.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:30.42 | CosmicPenguin | Best part of christmas.. :) |
| 19:32.01 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 20:04.09 | SpeedEvil | I prefer the other one. |
| 20:04.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/17/mcn_ad_gaffe/ |
| 20:04.16 | SpeedEvil | (worksafe) |
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| 20:08.06 | SpeedEvil | For the Children! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/29/telethon_donation/ |
| 20:09.06 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: hehe |
| 20:12.33 | jimp | prpplague: no i'm not :) |
| 20:12.44 | prpplague | jimp: hehe |
| 20:12.50 | prpplague | jimp: ahh ok |
| 20:13.02 | SpeedEvil | oops - mischan |
| 20:13.05 | prpplague | jimp: just hadn't seen you around, wanted to make sure you didn't have any questions |
| 20:13.29 | jimp | I think my friend who was looking at the hammer board decided to stick with his own custom board instead, actually |
| 20:13.50 | SpeedEvil | thought this was another channel. you may now get back to your normally scheduled conversation :) |
| 20:14.31 | prpplague | jimp: oh thats a shame, i'd like to find out what his decision process was |
| 20:14.40 | prpplague | jimp: be nice if he'd drop in the channel |
| 20:14.48 | jimp | well, I think it might just be momentum, they've got it mostly completed |
| 20:14.55 | prpplague | jimp: ahh |
| 20:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - if it was 1/5th of the price - it'd be an easy replacement for home-rolled 8 bit micro boards. |
| 20:15.31 | jimp | Your module seems ideal for more of a hobby-type market |
| 20:15.43 | SpeedEvil | At $150 - while it's cheaper than some comparable boards, there are many people that simply wouldn't have been spending $150 anyway. |
| 20:15.47 | jimp | but for him, making his own boards is trivial and he does it all the time anyway |
| 20:15.47 | prpplague | jimp: indeed thats what we are targeting |
| 20:15.57 | prpplague | jimp: indeed |
| 20:16.06 | prpplague | jimp: that is the case for alot of people |
| 20:16.30 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea, there are people who don't like spending that kind of money |
| 20:16.36 | SpeedEvil | IMO if you need 32 bits and small, then buying one makes sense, even if you can get the PCBs cheap. |
| 20:17.22 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: but relatively speaking, those who would be buying a generic arm dev kit are going to be paying alot more than $159 |
| 20:17.38 | prpplague | jimp: you still considering the hammer for any projects? |
| 20:17.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently engaged in the rather silly project of a camera in the range of 1.5g, so it won't suit. |
| 20:18.13 | jimp | prpplague: Not specificially at the moment, no, but I'll definitely keep it in mind. |
| 20:18.23 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: oh - I agree. it's just that if it was $30 or 40, you might attract a fair proportion of the market that might now be spending $5 on a PIC |
| 20:19.01 | prpplague | jimp: we have a standing offer for people are interesting in posting documents and/or open projects a free eval kit |
| 20:19.32 | SpeedEvil | I'd love to take that up, but realistically I have no matching funds at the moment. |
| 20:19.39 | SpeedEvil | I want to make a UAV. |
| 20:20.06 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: we are targeting the middle market, people who are used to pay $800 of an arm kit will find the hammer cheap, and those who are used to doing high end avr will find it a step up in power without going to the $800 range |
| 20:20.26 | SpeedEvil | Something like http://www.micropilot.com/prod_mp2028xp.htm - but rather cheaper. |
| 20:20.44 | SpeedEvil | which though it says it's a 'disposable autopilot' ... |
| 20:21.15 | prpplague | interesting, whats that cost? |
| 20:21.42 | SpeedEvil | click the 'uav autopilots' link on the left |
| 20:22.15 | prpplague | yikes |
| 20:23.13 | jimp | I can certainly see markets where that would seem cheap. |
| 20:23.16 | jimp | pricing is a weird thing :) |
| 20:23.17 | SpeedEvil | At that price, I'd be considering combing the downrange :) |
| 20:24.14 | prpplague | jimp: anyway we are interested in doing "fun projects", you run across anything that would be nice and cant find it, let us know, we'll whip something up |
| 20:25.19 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: what sort of displays can you connect directly to the hammer? |
| 20:25.35 | hapchap_ | SpeedEvil: i am assuming those are for "one way" transit |
| 20:26.15 | hapchap_ | SpeedEvil: as i can really only think of one industry that could pay that sum for a disposable |
| 20:26.24 | SpeedEvil | military |
| 20:26.31 | hapchap_ | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 20:26.45 | SpeedEvil | $2000 starts to look small when you've got 1000+ people involved in an op |
| 20:26.58 | hapchap_ | SpeedEvil: exactly my point |
| 20:27.16 | SpeedEvil | though there is also the other obvious industry - drugs. |
| 20:27.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd be astonished if someone hasn't been quietly doing that. |
| 20:27.41 | hapchap_ | interesting thought |
| 20:27.48 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: you can hook up several different types, either a standard 2/4/8 bit stn or you can do char lcds with a controller such as the common epson and hitachi controllers |
| 20:27.53 | hapchap_ | it would be fun to play around with one |
| 20:28.13 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: right. |
| 20:28.45 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: alot of the newier lcd;s have an spi interface |
| 20:29.13 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=569 |
| 20:29.15 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: they do? You mean for the outputs? |
| 20:29.34 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8428 |
| 20:30.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: you can output the lcd data via spi to the lcd |
| 20:30.50 | SpeedEvil | nice - not seen that. |
| 20:32.13 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the 128x128 lcd is very handy |
| 20:32.58 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm waiting on e-ink getting back to me. |
| 20:33.04 | SpeedEvil | I want some of their display film. |
| 20:33.45 | SpeedEvil | laminate with an ITO coated plastic film, and then all you need is a PCB to do logos |
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| 20:35.50 | SpeedEvil | What I really want to do is a little device 20mm*100mm. You wrap maybe 150mm of film round it. unroll and drag the cylinder to the other end and it prints electrostatically. |
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| 21:50.31 | prpplague | ds2: both are complete and pre-production units have been made |
| 21:50.45 | prpplague | ds2: just waiting on hammer sales and interest to pick up |
| 21:50.54 | ds2 | prpplague: when it is allowed to leave the building... |
| 21:51.51 | prpplague | ds2: we will have alot stricter policies on beta's next time |
| 21:52.38 | ds2 | prpplague: why not ask for a hold on a CC equal to the value of the part? |
| 21:52.58 | prpplague | ds2: good idea |
| 21:54.27 | ds2 | it is a good thing the hammer lite is being throttled back... too many other tempting things coming up like the price reduce N800's |
| 21:54.58 | CosmicPenguin | I know |
| 21:55.04 | CosmicPenguin | I need to figure out an "accident" for my 770 |
| 21:55.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:55.25 | CosmicPenguin | the 810 looks like fun |
| 21:55.31 | CosmicPenguin | the GPS really interests me |
| 21:55.38 | prpplague | i have to finish my howto for converting a vtech kids laptop with the hammer board |
| 21:55.52 | ds2 | wonder if I can legitimately write off a N800 purchase given I am working with OMAPs... |
| 21:56.22 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: the 810 is a tad bit overpriced at the moment |
| 21:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | it will come down - right before they introduce the next wizbang |
| 21:56.48 | CosmicPenguin | darn mallum - stop working so hard! |
| 21:56.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:56.54 | ds2 | oh and I am glad ASUS raised the price on the eePC... good excuse not to get that ;) |
| 21:57.09 | prpplague | what? they raised the price???? |
| 21:57.18 | ds2 | they were going to sell it for $200 |
| 21:57.35 | prpplague | oh |
| 21:57.38 | ds2 | but just before full release, they said suppliers can't give them the originalprice so the going price now is $300-$400 |
| 21:57.42 | prpplague | ds2: yea, it retails for about $350 |
| 21:57.54 | prpplague | ds2: thought you meant it was even higher than $350 |
| 21:58.01 | ds2 | $399 for some models |
| 21:58.18 | ds2 | I met someone who bought it for $200 at a trade show in TW |
| 21:58.23 | prpplague | yea, i thought about getting one |
| 21:58.33 | prpplague | (as well as some XO's) |
| 21:58.37 | ds2 | XO's? |
| 21:58.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin talked me out of getting the XO's |
| 21:58.49 | prpplague | aka OLPC laptop |
| 21:59.07 | ds2 | I just want something that is similar to the old HP200LX"s but can run protected mode stuff |
| 21:59.12 | ds2 | ah... the OLPCs are huge |
| 21:59.50 | prpplague | size isn't really the issue |
| 21:59.59 | ds2 | what did you want it for? |
| 22:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | the olpc is as big as the eeepc |
| 22:00.32 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: did they shrink it? the same units I saw at shows were as big as the old eMates |
| 22:00.43 | ds2 | (larger then most normal laptops and with odd colors) |
| 22:00.53 | CosmicPenguin | larger then most normal laptops? |
| 22:01.04 | ds2 | yes |
| 22:01.06 | CosmicPenguin | for the keebler elves, maybe |
| 22:01.28 | prpplague | ds2: my kids |
| 22:01.33 | ds2 | no, larger then your typical Compaq/HP/etc stuff...this was at LinuxWorld up in SF this year |
| 22:01.42 | CosmicPenguin | its larger then a pda |
| 22:01.46 | CosmicPenguin | but its a third the size of my HP |
| 22:02.06 | ds2 | well, that must have been some really old proto they had at the booth |
| 22:02.21 | CosmicPenguin | I think you may have seen something that wasn't an xo |
| 22:02.34 | ds2 | probally |
| 22:05.55 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: what's your argument against it? |
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| 22:24.52 | CosmicPenguin | It depends on your needs |
| 22:36.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: have you done any bluetooth? on the hammer or other platform? |
| 22:37.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, done usb and modules |
| 22:37.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Bluetooth |
| 22:37.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: oooh I missed that... |
| 22:38.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: added a new section called "i want to use the hammer with:" |
| 22:38.21 | GPSFan | what did you use for donggles? |
| 22:38.49 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board#Interface_Options |
| 22:39.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: just generic CSR dongles |
| 22:39.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: most of the dongles that are sold at geeks.com are CSR |
| 22:40.33 | GPSFan | ah, CSR, I bouht 2 from geeks.com, one was broadcom and one was KY-BT100 from Integrated System Solution Corp. |
| 22:41.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea the CSR definetly is quality stuff |
| 22:41.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: you need one? |
| 22:42.20 | GPSFan | yep, I just don't have much luck with geeks.com stuff being what I really want. |
| 22:42.36 | prpplague | yea, takes practice, hehe |
| 22:42.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll see if can get some from inventory |
| 22:42.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: any thing else you need? |
| 22:43.10 | GPSFan | indeed, I read that their Cyber-Blue donggle was CSR, it wasn't. ;>( |
| 22:43.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: gold bars, yes several of the 10 or 50 pound type will do ;>) |
| 22:43.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:45.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: let me know before monday mid day if you need any other test hardware |
| 22:48.17 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks, I've bbeen trying to get a bt headset working on xubuntu 7.10 for a while, just beating my head against the wall. I had figured that it was the lack of a CSR radio, so I ordered what I thought was one. no dice..... If I've ever seen a can of worms before it is linux bluetooth. |
| 22:48.43 | prpplague | yea, i've not done audio, only the uart |
| 22:49.59 | GPSFan | I've got the uart & rfcomm working with a bt gps, it's the SCO (why do I have this bad feeling) headset support that seems to only be in CSR radios. |
| 22:50.13 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: I have one of the CyberBlue ones in front of me and it is CSR |
| 22:50.53 | prpplague | hapchap_: that the clear blue one? |
| 22:51.03 | prpplague | hapchap_: what were the others we got from geeks.com? |
| 22:51.03 | hapchap_ | yea |
| 22:51.09 | prpplague | hapchap_: i.e. the ones laura has? |
| 22:51.28 | hapchap_ | prpplague: the current ones we are using are CyberBlue, they are clear blue |
| 22:51.31 | GPSFan | hapchap_: the box mine came in says Cyber-blue & Bluetooth 2.0, and supports voice data, and inside is a kbt100. only figured that out from lsusb. |
| 22:52.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can't see the actual chip thru the plastic? |
| 22:52.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: no it's black plastic. |
| 22:52.46 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:52.47 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: different one |
| 22:53.05 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: yup, they have a new one now, i jsut found it on their site |
| 22:53.23 | GPSFan | hcitool features says all sorts of nice things about 3mbit data rate etc. |
| 22:53.31 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: im sure CyberBlue is just buying reference designs on the cheap from chinese manuf. |
| 22:53.56 | GPSFan | new... I just got this yesterday. must have bought the wrong Cyber-Blue. |
| 22:54.25 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: we had to go through 3 different types before we found the one we have |
| 22:55.13 | ds2 | prpplague: seems geek.com changed their part number from the one you gave me a while back to something new |
| 22:56.22 | GPSFan | I got this one: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-USBCYBERBLUE-BT&cpc=SCH I bet I should have gotten: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CB-BT2-USB-DONGLE&cpc=SCH |
| 22:56.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 22:56.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: we'll pull one of ours from inventory monday and have it shipped to you |
| 22:57.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: if you need anything else nows the time to let me know |
| 22:57.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: :>)) boy, what a pal!!! |
| 22:57.17 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: i dont know if the second one is CSR |
| 22:57.18 | GPSFan | thanks. |
| 22:58.00 | GPSFan | hapchap_: neither do I the only transparent blue one I see is a Formosa Teletek |
| 22:58.39 | hapchap_ | GPSFan: they dont seem to have the ones we have in stock any more... which sucks because that means we will have to go through the buying a bunch to find a CSR again |
| 22:59.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: add your info to the BT page for "working" and "not-working" |
| 23:00.40 | GPSFan | prpplague: the dongles work, they are just not CSR. I wanted to get a reference system running so I could move stuff over to the hammer a bit at a time. the webcam was one, the bt headset audio was the other. |
| 23:00.54 | GPSFan | I'll add something to the hammer bt page this weekend. |
| 23:01.05 | hapchap_ | prpplague: its 5:00... im out... |
| 23:01.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie doke thanks |
| 23:01.11 | prpplague | hapchap_: me too |
| 23:01.15 | prpplague | hapchap_: tomorrow |
| 23:01.20 | GPSFan | hapchap_: prpplague bye |
| 23:01.37 | hapchap_ | have a good weekend |
| 23:02.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.technologydepot.net/WIRELESS_NETWORK-Cyber_Blue_Bluetooth_USB_Dongle_256MB_Flash_Drive.html |
| 23:02.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats the one we have |
| 23:02.52 | prpplague | http://tekgems.com/Products/et-25137-net-cyberblu-usb-don100.htm |
| 23:02.54 | prpplague | another page |
| 23:03.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: AH -HA - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ADPBTHPN&cat=NET |
| 23:04.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: doesn't come up on a blue tooth search |
| 23:04.07 | GPSFan | buying this chineese stuff can be a real pita. they never tell you what's really inside, you always need a native guide. |
| 23:04.50 | GPSFan | well crap.. !@#$!@#$... |
| 23:05.26 | GPSFan | I going to go outside and walk around in the rain for a while. cul |
| 23:05.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: think of anything else you need hardware wise before monday |
| 23:05.35 | prpplague | later |
| 23:06.14 | CosmicPenguin | Its raining over there? |
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| 23:21.07 | flyback | tekgems own your "canuck" |
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| 23:21.26 | flyback | prpp |
| 23:21.30 | flyback | I was going to get one of those |
| 23:21.36 | flyback | I think I checked and it's fully linux supported |
| 23:21.45 | flyback | I might get one or w of those intel gige nics for $15 too :) |
| 23:22.11 | flyback | shame my palm is only 144kbit bt max :/ |
| 23:22.23 | flyback | but class 1 will extend the range at least |
| 23:22.36 | flyback | going to get one of those $12 mips routers |
| 23:22.42 | flyback | slap a bt usb module on it's usb port |
| 23:22.45 | flyback | and serve up bt |
| 23:35.41 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: yeah, been drizzling here on & off all day, San Juans supposed toget up to 5' from this storm. |
| 23:38.28 | CosmicPenguin | We have been hearing rumors of snow |
| 23:38.39 | CosmicPenguin | its in the 20s here right now |
| 23:38.52 | CosmicPenguin | not super cold, but bitter enough for bones not yet ready for it |
| 23:39.00 | CosmicPenguin | 5 feet is good |
| 23:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | Telluride should be happy |
| 23:39.55 | GPSFan | been in the 20's in the mornings for the last week, today is was 40 at 7:am, looked like snow, but got rain instead. |
| 23:51.57 | flyback | <flyback> speaking of lcd's |
| 23:51.57 | flyback | [18:48] <flyback> still debating between using a juicebox or that old 486-100 12 meg of ram with a 640x480 lcd |
| 23:51.57 | flyback | [18:48] <flyback> to drive a fiber optics tree for effects |
| 23:51.57 | flyback | [18:48] <flyback> the 486 would have the advantage of being pc based so I could use existing code etc |
| 23:51.57 | flyback | [18:48] <flyback> I dunno if the back of the lcd is clear though |
| 23:51.59 | flyback | [18:49] <flyback> so I might not be able to project thru it to a fiber tree base |
| 23:52.01 | flyback | [18:50] <flyback> see |
| 23:52.03 | flyback | [18:50] <flyback> if you take a lcd |
| 23:52.05 | flyback | [18:50] <flyback> and shine bright light thru it |
| 23:52.07 | flyback | [18:50] <flyback> and throw moing images on it |
| 23:52.09 | flyback | [18:51] <flyback> it will show up on the tips of the fibers in a fiber optics tree |
| 23:52.11 | flyback | I am debating between using this or the juicebox |
| 23:52.22 | flyback | the 486 has the advantage of being pc based so I am very familiar with hacking up hw |
| 23:52.30 | flyback | the juicebox is smaller though |
| 23:52.50 | flyback | if the 486 lcd can't have a clear back (electronics not blocking) then the juciebox wins regardless :P |
| 23:53.09 | flyback | i'm wondering about mabye salvaging nand from some flash thing around the house |
| 23:53.20 | flyback | or mabye solder a tsop nor from something to the juicebox |
| 23:53.33 | flyback | even a 32kb one just enough code to load the rest of linux from sd/mmc or something |
| 23:54.25 | flyback | I got one apart the lcd is clear |
| 23:55.00 | flyback | I need to buy a led drop in replacement for a mr11 halogen bulb in the tree base |
| 23:55.10 | flyback | the halogen will tend to boil the juicebox lcd :P |
