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| 14:22.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 14:25.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day |
| 14:26.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: trying to figure out how to explain the features of the flyswatter so people under its usage correctly |
| 14:29.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: as I understand it (now) it is a multi-purpose tool, used for recovery and re-flashing during kernel development & debugging. It is also useful in it's USB-Serial role to just talk to the Hammer on a day-to-day basis. |
| 14:30.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep, problem is people are thinking that it adds jtag and rs-232 to the hammer board |
| 14:33.52 | GPSFan | prpplague: well you could use other jtag tools on the hammer, and connect a PC with just a serial cable. it's just a convienence tool. You can do without it, but it's real nice to have. |
| 14:35.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed, problem is that i'm not sure how to address the idea that the flyswatter is for the host pc not the hammer board |
| 14:36.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: maybe a block diagram |
| 14:36.07 | GPSFan | good idea. |
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| 14:36.22 | prpplague | ~lart hapchap |
| 14:36.22 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up hapchap |
| 14:36.47 | prpplague | hapchap: just made a fresh pot of coffee, better get it while its hot |
| 14:37.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
| 14:47.01 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 14:51.00 | hapchap | prpplague: coffee is already gone |
| 14:51.04 | prpplague | doh |
| 14:51.15 | hapchap | prpplague: new pot is on the way though |
| 14:51.26 | prpplague | hapchap: i assume you've looked at the schematic from your email |
| 14:51.35 | prpplague | hapchap: amazing that its STILL not finished |
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| 14:51.47 | hapchap | prpplague: yea, i did send out a couple of minor things with J3 |
| 14:52.11 | hapchap | prpplague: need a 1k res nopop between pin 1 and gnd |
| 14:52.26 | hapchap | prpplague: no reason for nbeeper connection |
| 14:52.37 | prpplague | hapchap: does this thing look "right" to you? |
| 14:52.45 | hapchap | prpplague: "NO" |
| 14:52.54 | prpplague | hapchap: me either |
| 14:54.56 | hapchap | prpplague: i like how he said he "may" rearrange the first page |
| 14:55.03 | hapchap | prpplague: i mean, hell, how can he even read it |
| 14:56.27 | prpplague | hapchap: i know |
| 14:56.35 | hapchap | prpplague: but im being kept so far out of the loop that i don't even care at this point |
| 14:56.59 | prpplague | hapchap: normally with rusty we talked on this kind of stuff |
| 14:57.18 | prpplague | hapchap: right now it seems to be just mike and mark making decisions |
| 14:57.23 | hapchap | prpplague: its not just mark, its mike too |
| 14:57.26 | hapchap | prpplague: hehe |
| 14:58.14 | prpplague | hapchap: i guess its going to have to come to complete standstill before anything is said |
| 14:59.15 | prpplague | hapchap: i looked over the schematics for the 5900, the cut over and charging is not even close to being as complicated as this schematic |
| 15:00.53 | hapchap | prpplague: i know... look at how complicated the battery detect circuits are |
| 15:01.28 | prpplague | hapchap: i count about 18 components for each circuit |
| 15:02.15 | prpplague | hapchap: same circuit on the 5900 is just 5 |
| 15:03.03 | prpplague | hapchap: btw, got your hammer xmas lights up and running? |
| 15:03.15 | hapchap | prpplague: went live last night! |
| 15:03.24 | prpplague | cool |
| 15:03.32 | prpplague | i'll have to drive by and have a look |
| 15:03.44 | prpplague | (and throw some eggs) |
| 15:03.49 | hapchap | prpplague: hammer is running 96 strings (well, some are more than one string) of christmas lights |
| 15:04.00 | hapchap | prpplague: ass |
| 15:04.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:04.48 | hapchap | prpplague: everything seems to be working great |
| 15:05.14 | T0mW | prpplague: huh? |
| 15:05.26 | hapchap | prpplague: i have everything set up where i could be running 128 channels, but the wife cut off my funds when i was building solid state relays |
| 15:06.29 | T0mW | prpplague: the new HammerLCD is together, power supplies are working... |
| 15:14.10 | hapchap | prpplague: bluetooth cradle is 5940 correct? |
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| 15:22.50 | prpplague | hapchap: 5930 is the BT |
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| 15:24.59 | prpplague | hapchap: the BT is the 5930 |
| 15:25.18 | hapchap | prpplague: and we lose all external rs-232 and lose two way USB? |
| 15:25.48 | hapchap | prpplague: i.e. only way the cradle functions is BT -> USB keyboard input |
| 15:25.51 | prpplague | hapchap: no, the usb is still 100% functional |
| 15:26.08 | prpplague | hapchap: you get three devices showing up, usb hub, usb hid, and the m5900 serial gadget |
| 15:26.19 | hapchap | prpplague: ahh |
| 15:26.40 | prpplague | hapchap: the rs-232 port is still connected so techincally it could be used |
| 15:27.04 | hapchap | prpplague: i thought that the shunts would be removed in 5930/40 mode |
| 15:27.08 | prpplague | hapchap: since the communication to the atmel only occurs when it needs to set up the id and pin |
| 15:27.18 | prpplague | hapchap: techincally they are suppose to be |
| 15:27.32 | prpplague | hapchap: but they could be left in |
| 15:27.43 | prpplague | hapchap: without causing any major problems |
| 15:27.52 | hapchap | prpplague: i would think it would cause more headaches than we really need and i dont think many users of this device are using rs-232 |
| 15:28.27 | prpplague | hapchap: indeed, but it can be done if we have a customer screaming for it |
| 15:29.17 | hapchap | prpplague: ok, im just writing up some options for bluetooth before the meeting at 2 |
| 15:29.34 | hapchap | prpplague: a bluetooth menu of sorts that they can just pick and choose |
| 15:30.22 | hapchap | prpplague: you were on the e-mail about it |
| 15:30.39 | prpplague | yea just found it |
| 15:30.46 | prpplague | hapchap: fun fun |
| 15:30.58 | prpplague | hapchap: i've started on the api spec |
| 15:31.01 | hapchap | prpplague: your not going to leave me alone with them are you? |
| 15:31.07 | prpplague | hapchap: hehe |
| 15:31.52 | hapchap | prpplague: basically i am going to give them this thing i am working on and say "pick one" and thats it, no discussion, no color choices, nothing |
| 15:32.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:33.05 | hapchap | prpplague: were you venting to DV earlier? |
| 15:33.18 | prpplague | hapchap: yea, was i talking too loud? |
| 15:33.42 | hapchap | prpplague: not at all, i just saw you in there when i was going to get coffee and yall were whispering |
| 15:34.05 | hapchap | prpplague: i just figured it was about the 8050 issues |
| 15:34.47 | prpplague | hapchap: general biz gossip, i.e. the HHP shake up and the fact that motorola had an upper management shake up this week |
| 15:34.52 | prpplague | hapchap: plus 8050 stuff |
| 15:35.07 | prpplague | hapchap: i'm loosing sleep over it |
| 15:35.26 | hapchap | prpplague: yea i read about the moto thing, i wonder if it will affect symbol |
| 15:35.50 | prpplague | hapchap: the new ceo is the one that pushed for the symbol buyout |
| 15:36.20 | prpplague | hapchap: and the headhunters for HHP have been everywhere lately |
| 15:37.30 | hapchap | prpplague: you looking? |
| 15:38.05 | prpplague | hapchap: nope, i enjoy aml way too much |
| 15:38.16 | prpplague | hapchap: just wondering whats going on over at HHP |
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| 15:41.30 | hapchap | prpplague: do you have any sort of protocol set up for over the BT link or is it just everything in goes out the USB? |
| 15:43.12 | prpplague | hapchap: i started out doing just all straight thru, right now its using a 0x02 as start of text and 0x03 as end of text |
| 15:44.33 | prpplague | hapchap: i might add an item for the start of the transmission to be something like: 0x00|length|0x02|text|0x03 |
| 15:45.16 | hapchap | prpplague: simple to add a reply i assume? i.e. if you received the data send an ack? |
| 15:45.42 | prpplague | hapchap: yea, just echo back a 0x06 |
| 15:48.30 | prpplague | hapchap: client sends 0x01 0x05 0x2 12345 0x03 , host checks the message length and markers, and responds back with either ack(0x06) or nak(0x15) |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | hapchap: client has a timeout, if it doesn't get a ack or nak in a specified time, consider the transmission as failed |
| 15:49.34 | hapchap | prpplague: i may want that, i just dont know how much i can trust the blue-z utils to tell if i am paired |
| 15:50.20 | prpplague | hapchap: from what i've seen, it doesn't give you good info for out of range conditions |
| 15:51.13 | prpplague | hapchap: you'll be able to send a 0x05(ENQ) and get an 0x06 back |
| 15:51.19 | hapchap | prpplague: i never really had a problem with it on the 7570, but this is a bit of a different animal since we are controlling both ends |
| 15:51.31 | hapchap | prpplague: perfect |
| 15:52.48 | prpplague | hapchap: i'm getting everything setup now to some testing and write it up |
| 15:53.00 | prpplague | hapchap: only items that aren't set in stone are the ones for exchanging ID and pins |
| 15:53.04 | prpplague | hapchap: via the rs-232 |
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| 17:15.49 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 17:17.54 | landley | prpplague: hiya. |
| 17:18.05 | landley | Not at home today, can't really poke at the hammer board. |
| 17:18.16 | prpplague | landley: np, just being friendly :) |
| 17:18.26 | landley | Although I'm pondering setting up a qemu instance that attempts to more closely emulate the hammer board... |
| 17:19.06 | landley | My next major step with the thing is probably re-flashing it with a kernel that understands the USB ethernet adapter I plugged into it. |
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| 17:27.49 | hapchap | prpplague: if you were changing an existing product manual to use with a new model number, wouldn't the first thing that you would do would be to use the "Find and Replace" feature that every text editor has to locate all instances of the old model numer? |
| 17:28.07 | prpplague | hapchap: yep |
| 17:28.24 | prpplague | landley: sounds like a plan |
| 17:28.31 | hapchap | prpplague: i swear... every time marketing gives me a manual to review before publication, it always has at least 100 instances of the old model number |
| 17:28.53 | hapchap | prpplague: they don't even read it before they give it to me |
| 17:29.19 | hapchap | prpplague: /rant |
| 17:30.22 | prpplague | hapchap: hehe, np, i've been in rant mode for a week now |
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| 17:42.20 | prpplague | hapchap: is a max of 256 chars per message ok with you on the bt option? |
| 17:42.45 | hapchap | prpplague: thats fine |
| 17:43.17 | hapchap | prpplague: so when did they start the bible study in the conference room on thursdays during lunch? have i just never noticed it or is this a new thing? |
| 17:43.32 | prpplague | hapchap: uh what? |
| 17:43.49 | prpplague | hapchap: who is in there besides mark? |
| 17:43.58 | hapchap | prpplague: yup... i noticed it last week and i just heard tina saying that she needed to go pick up food before bible study |
| 17:44.15 | hapchap | prpplague: i am assuming this is a mark thing |
| 17:44.29 | prpplague | interesting |
| 17:44.59 | prpplague | hapchap: he better not ask me to attend |
| 17:45.13 | hapchap | prpplague: he wouldnt ask me... he doesnt like me very much |
| 17:45.42 | prpplague | hapchap: he doesn't like me either |
| 17:50.16 | landley | Are you allowed to admire the binding, spent five minutes staring at it and go "yup, that's a bible", and then leave? |
| 17:51.07 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 17:51.13 | landley | Or just bring a copy of "ken's guide to the bible"... |
| 17:51.17 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 17:51.19 | landley | Marvelous book, that. |
| 17:51.48 | CosmicPenguin | ahh - life in Texas |
| 17:51.50 | CosmicPenguin | isn't it grand? |
| 17:52.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, this isn't a texas thing |
| 17:52.17 | landley | I'm in Austin. |
| 17:52.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: definetly not |
| 17:52.23 | landley | Austin isn't really a part of Texas. |
| 17:52.36 | landley | It's a part of upstate New York that broke off and made its way to texas by way of California. |
| 17:53.09 | landley | We're the Designated Liberal Zone. |
| 17:53.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:54.16 | hapchap | hehe |
| 17:54.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you often hear people say that Austin is basically New York except cleaner and friendlier |
| 17:54.52 | CosmicPenguin | I never get that impression |
| 17:55.37 | landley | It used to be more so. The state government being here has had a corrosive effect ever since Ann Richards left. |
| 17:56.00 | landley | The greenspace laws got repealed and they cut down half the trees and put a wal-mart over the aquifer recharge zone. |
| 17:56.04 | landley | The city's now ringed with toll roads. |
| 17:56.06 | landley | That sort of thing. |
| 17:56.25 | landley | Sad, really. |
| 17:56.43 | landley | It's why i was willing to spend a year in Pittsburgh. |
| 17:56.59 | landley | But Pittsburgh gives you perspective. Even a diminished Austin's better than that... |
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| 17:57.44 | hapchap | Rick Perry is a shyster... just look at him... |
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| 18:56.43 | landley | Has anybody played with that TI davinci chip thing LWN just linked to a review of? |
| 19:00.01 | prpplague | landley: iirc there is a davinci channel |
| 19:00.37 | prpplague | landley: the chips are nice, however due to TI's distro policies it is very very difficult to purchase chips in smaller qty |
| 19:00.45 | prpplague | landley: i.e. less than 10k units |
| 19:01.06 | prpplague | landley: so alot of smaller companies don't even consider using TI OMAP stuff |
| 19:02.18 | landley | Sounds like a business opportunity for a redistributor... |
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| 19:03.48 | prpplague | landley: yea, what i've heard TI makes you sign an agreement not to sell off the items in smaller qty |
| 19:11.27 | landley | prpplague: ok, that's actively stupid. |
| 19:11.28 | landley | Why? |
| 19:11.47 | landley | They won't sell them in smaller quantity, and they won't let you resell them. That actually might be illegal. |
| 19:12.12 | prpplague | landley: basically they want to keep the quality of the products use their chips high, so they have a hands on policy about working with the customer |
| 19:12.14 | landley | It's certainly discriminatory against small businesses. |
| 19:12.34 | prpplague | landley: and only the larger companies can afford to buy in the qty they want to pay for that quality |
| 19:12.50 | landley | I suspect a good lawyer could cause TI massive headaches over this policy. |
| 19:13.31 | ds2 | the linux omap lists hints that might be changing |
| 19:14.34 | landley | Back in a bit... |
| 19:16.38 | prpplague | ds2: oh? |
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| 19:29.18 | ds2 | prpplague: yeah, not clear which OMAPs though |
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| 19:31.21 | ds2 | I'd find the post but there is so much volume :/ it wasn't a direct statement just a hint |
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| 19:51.41 | hapchap | anyone know about setting up bluez as an HID bluetooth device? (i.e. building a bluetooth keyboard running linux that should connect to a master as a HID) |
| 19:52.26 | hapchap | ive been google-ing for half and hour and all i get is noise... is it even possible with bluez? |
| 19:52.34 | landley | prpplague: there is such a thing? |
| 19:53.01 | prpplague | hapchap: not sure if its possible with bluez |
| 19:53.08 | landley | N800 or iPhone or some such... |
| 19:53.30 | landley | Add in VNC and you've got yourself a portable system with half-decent UI... |
| 19:53.38 | prpplague | landley: indeed, when your heart starts skipping beats, you might have had too much |
| 19:53.46 | hapchap | prpplague: is there another open sourced bluetooth stack? |
| 19:53.50 | landley | Ah, syncopation. |
| 19:54.00 | prpplague | hapchap: one sec, looking at my notes |
| 19:55.03 | ds2 | interesting you should ask about this - |
| 19:55.09 | ds2 | see this one: http://www.geocities.com/saravkrish/progs/bluemote/ |
| 19:55.20 | hapchap | prpplague: i see a lot of proprietary ones off of linuxdevices.com |
| 19:56.12 | ds2 | hapchap: affix is (was?) the other free stack |
| 19:56.46 | hapchap | ds2: the bluemote looks interesting, but my device will primarily be interacting with windose |
| 19:57.05 | hapchap | ds2: so i need the actual device to say it is HID |
| 19:58.13 | prpplague | hapchap: i'm not seeing anything like that for bluez |
| 19:58.26 | prpplague | hapchap: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:58.34 | prpplague | hapchap: this for the 5930? |
| 19:58.54 | prpplague | hapchap: or the 5900 with bluetooth? |
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| 22:31.20 | landley | It turns out there are some Core 2 duo processors that don't have the VT extensions kvm needs. |
| 22:31.25 | landley | And the T5300 in my laptop is one of them. |
| 22:31.28 | landley | http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm |
| 22:31.29 | landley | Sigh. |
| 22:32.23 | T0mW | prpplague: ping |
| 22:33.06 | prpplague | T0mW: pong |
| 22:36.30 | MonMotha | prpplague: pong |
| 22:36.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: np, had a question i answered myself |
| 22:37.35 | MonMotha | ok |
| 22:56.30 | CosmicPenguin | must kick vpn |
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| 22:56.58 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 23:05.27 | *** part/#edev landley (n=landley@adsl-76-197-33-46.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
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