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| 17:33.59 | prpplague | landley: new GPL case? |
| 17:37.40 | prpplague | lovely |
| 17:38.06 | prpplague | i'm wondering if version is going to pull a mattel by say they just resale the device |
| 17:41.59 | prpplague | interesting |
| 17:42.53 | SpeedEvil | Is there anywhere a list of CPU chips that can run linux, available in small quantities? |
| 17:43.19 | landley | prpplague: so I'm told. |
| 17:43.44 | landley | Would anyone on _here_ like to volunteer to analyze code releases for the SFLC? |
| 17:44.14 | landley | They keep asking me to do it, and I've done 2 or 3, but it's fairly time consuming and I feel bad about the backlog of ~5 I've been asked to do but haven't gotten to yet. |
| 17:44.40 | landley | The SFLC lawyers can't confirm "yes, you can rebuild this binary from this source", because it's not what they do. |
| 17:46.09 | SpeedEvil | SDLC? |
| 17:46.13 | SpeedEvil | F |
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| 17:48.39 | prpplague | landley: i'm a little backed up at the momment, bu i might be able to help in the comming weeks |
| 17:48.59 | prpplague | landley: just need to see if the provided source actually compiles and runs? |
| 17:49.48 | landley | Software Freedom Law Center. |
| 17:49.58 | landley | The organization enforcing the GPL on busybox. |
| 17:50.23 | landley | prpplague: ideally that it reproduces the binary, but compiles and runs is a good start. |
| 17:50.44 | landley | I tended to identify a base version as closely as I could, find the diff in the patch, and see what they'd actually changed. |
| 17:51.02 | landley | Usually they give a tarball rather than a patch. |
| 17:51.07 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 17:51.25 | landley | Sometimes against INSANELY old versions that I can't reproduce because they last built on Red hat 7.2. |
| 17:51.27 | prpplague | you said you had +5 to be done? |
| 17:51.35 | landley | Yup. |
| 17:51.38 | landley | Lemme see... |
| 17:52.30 | landley | Zyxel, Gateworks, Acronis, LaCie/Unibrain, A-link are old ones. |
| 17:52.56 | landley | And then the new one from High Gain Antenna. |
| 17:53.39 | prpplague | landley: the verizon/actiontec firmware, i see the basics for the linux kernel, but i didn't see off hand a header for the type of rootfs |
| 17:53.53 | prpplague | landley: that a initrd or initramfs ? |
| 17:54.37 | landley | I already did hauppage and cowon. I can send you those reports if you want a frame of reference. |
| 17:55.03 | landley | initramfs can be linked into the kernel image. |
| 17:55.06 | landley | No handoff. |
| 17:55.41 | landley | For the companies we _haven't_ sued I generally don't assume malice. |
| 17:56.05 | prpplague | landley: right, thats what i figured it was since i didn't see the header |
| 17:56.10 | landley | When they respond out of court, I assume that if the source they gave us isn't complete it's because they gave us the wrong version or forgot bits of it due to being disorganized. |
| 17:56.25 | prpplague | landley: right |
| 17:56.27 | landley | Once they've _been_ sued, the possibility of them trying to pull a fast one goes way up. |
| 17:56.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:56.42 | landley | It takes serious effort to get sued sometimes. |
| 17:57.13 | landley | File-then-settle is a waste of the SFLC's time, they want to file and then take it all the way to the supreme court to prove the GPLv2 once and for all! |
| 17:57.27 | landley | Hard to find an idiot willing to go up against 'em, though. |
| 17:57.52 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 17:58.16 | landley | prpplague: grep for an ELF header. |
| 17:58.28 | landley | May have to gunzip someof the guts first. |
| 17:58.56 | landley | I.E. grep for a gunzip signature, take that as far as it goes, and then look for ELF headers. |
| 17:59.07 | landley | Or run file against what you gunzipped and see if it's a known filesystem type. |
| 17:59.12 | landley | Standard tricks. :) |
| 17:59.17 | landley | (Or hook a jtag up to a running system and...) |
| 17:59.29 | landley | Mod chip your FIOS router! Woo! |
| 17:59.37 | landley | Play nintendo games on it. Why not. |
| 17:59.42 | prpplague | landley: yea, i was curious about looking at the firmware, i've done a few on the firmware |
| 17:59.53 | prpplague | landley: hehe, i can do the hardware hacking , hehe |
| 18:00.02 | landley | I usually start from the source code. |
| 18:00.05 | landley | Have fun. |
| 18:00.09 | prpplague | landley: i'll see waht kind of time i have available |
| 18:00.41 | landley | Cool. Email gpl@busybox.net if you want to talk to the SFLC guys. |
| 18:00.48 | landley | That address forwards directly to them. |
| 18:00.52 | landley | Thanks. |
| 18:01.54 | ohsix | hachoir can be handy for that stuff |
| 18:02.51 | ohsix | http://hachoir.org/wiki/hachoir-urwid#Screenshot |
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| 18:21.47 | key2 | hey |
| 18:22.01 | key2 | someone knows a company that does cheap assembly of prototype boards ? |
| 19:08.18 | prpplague | ohsix: oh lovely app |
| 19:08.23 | prpplague | ohsix: i'll have to grab that |
| 19:08.49 | ds2 | Hmmmm |
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| 19:42.32 | prpplague | ohsix: hmm, i must be missing something |
| 19:42.43 | prpplague | ohsix: can't see to get hachoir to work |
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| 20:38.12 | prpplague | anyone besides me ever seen "omega man" ? |
| 20:40.31 | Crofton | yes |
| 20:40.36 | Crofton | but I forget what is about |
| 20:41.23 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 20:42.13 | prpplague | Crofton: "I am legend" remake -> "Omega Man" remake -> "Last Man on Earth" |
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| 20:54.43 | hapchap | why when you say "Omega Man" I am thinking of some eddy murphy movie where he is some sort of super hero |
| 20:54.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:54.55 | hapchap | i _may_ be making this up |
| 20:56.16 | prpplague | hehe, you are thinking of that one called Pluto Nash |
| 20:56.22 | hapchap | THATS IT! |
| 20:56.47 | hapchap | i was imdb-ing trying to find it |
| 20:56.51 | hapchap | you beat me to it |
| 20:56.57 | hapchap | now THATS a movie |
| 20:57.01 | prpplague | hapchap: funny how people think "i am legend" is a completely new movie |
| 20:57.16 | hapchap | screw that, lets talk about Pluto Nash |
| 20:57.40 | prpplague | hapchap: http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/literature/9397/75009763.pdf |
| 20:59.22 | hapchap | prpplague: thats the one with the integrated touchscreen controller you have been touting? |
| 20:59.49 | prpplague | hapchap: yea, you can order it with a TS controller |
| 21:00.03 | prpplague | hapchap: don't think we;d need that |
| 21:00.09 | hapchap | prpplague: thermistor, accessory detect, battery voltage monitor... that baby has everything |
| 21:00.17 | prpplague | hapchap: indeed |
| 21:00.32 | prpplague | hapchap: already has a winblows ce driver |
| 21:00.43 | prpplague | hapchap: and linux support |
| 21:01.09 | hapchap | prpplague: it would essentially take the place of marks entire "I/O Board" schematic |
| 21:01.17 | prpplague | yep |
| 21:01.30 | prpplague | and based on my calcs, 1/2 the cost |
| 21:01.33 | hapchap | prpplague: except for the 2.3 A battery charger |
| 21:02.40 | prpplague | hmm, i could have sworn it was good up to 2.5A |
| 21:03.11 | hapchap | wait i was looking at the DC/DC not the LDOs |
| 21:04.13 | hapchap | prpplague: but im not seeing anything in that about the current in the LDOs |
| 21:05.56 | hapchap | prpplague: not that i think we need anything other than 3.3V on the 8050, but the LDOs max at 3.3V |
| 21:06.16 | hapchap | prpplague: so we would have to use one of the switchers for 5V on the 8000 |
| 21:07.09 | prpplague | hapchap: there is one buck.boost that does 5v on there |
| 21:07.32 | prpplague | hmm, max is 250mA though, |
| 21:08.36 | prpplague | hapchap: that can't be the only chip though for battery management |
| 21:15.26 | SpeedEvil | nxp can have problems with small quantities. |
| 21:15.35 | SpeedEvil | dunno if that's a problem in this app. |
| 21:18.12 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: it is a concern, but last time our NXP rep was out here, he told us that on things like their power supply chips it wasnt a problem for them |
| 21:18.23 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: its their ARMs that they want 10k |
| 21:21.05 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: of course he was a salesman, so who knows... |
| 21:22.57 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. /me is in the annoying position of having no rep, and wanting unusual parts. :/ |
| 21:23.09 | SpeedEvil | (FM radio I2C part)( |
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| 21:34.09 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: an I2C FM radio would be an unusual part _these_ days |
| 21:35.20 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 21:35.42 | SpeedEvil | I mean - unusual in small volumes |
| 21:36.02 | SpeedEvil | Sure - 1/10th of the mobile phones in the world have them. |
| 21:36.24 | SpeedEvil | but it doesn't seem to be a part available from any disties in under 500's. |
| 21:36.26 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: ahh... i guess i didn't realize |
| 21:37.32 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: now that you mention it, i kind of wish my 6 year old nokia had an FM radio in it |
| 21:37.45 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: kinda makes me sad |
| 21:37.49 | SpeedEvil | I was wanting to add it to my Neo1973 |
| 21:38.01 | SpeedEvil | along with other stuff. |
| 21:41.07 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: how do you like the Neo1973? |
| 21:41.15 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 21:41.26 | SpeedEvil | The hardware - what's apparently working - is great. |
| 21:41.41 | SpeedEvil | The software development process leaves something to be desired. |
| 21:42.11 | chouimat|work | you know it's 4:45pm on friday when the engineering staff is doing a rubberband fight |
| 21:42.15 | SpeedEvil | one small team of people running around developing stuff, and not communicating plans as to what they might be doing to the community, so they can help. |
| 21:42.15 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: hopefully it will pick up... i have been wanting to look into getting one to replace my old, sad phone |
| 21:42.32 | SpeedEvil | As a phone - the current version can now make and recieve calls. |
| 21:42.53 | SpeedEvil | (snapshot) |
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| 21:45.14 | SpeedEvil | The hardware - of the GTA01 - version - does not have any un-workaroundable hardware bugs that have been confirmed, which is something. |
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| 21:46.00 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
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| 21:46.24 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey |
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| 21:51.35 | ds2 | speaking of phones, anyone know of a EDGE capable GSM module that is available in singles? the sparkfun ones are nonEDGE capable |
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| 22:05.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:14.17 | prpplague | http://opensource.actiontec.com/index.html |
| 22:14.28 | prpplague | interesting, busybox stuff was just posted a few days ago |
| 22:14.55 | CosmicPenguin | heh - I have one of those routers |
| 22:15.19 | ds2 | I like the bottom part of the page |
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| 22:30.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like actiontec is trying to comply, but verizon is being an ass |
| 22:31.27 | prpplague | says it has busybox 0.50 |
| 22:31.32 | prpplague | which is years and years old |
| 22:31.39 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 22:31.44 | prpplague | flyback: |
| 22:31.46 | flyback | f0ound another potential hack item |
| 22:31.50 | flyback | www.compgeeks.com |
| 22:31.54 | flyback | 1.4 inch lcd with usb |
| 22:31.57 | prpplague | flyback: only post it one time |
| 22:32.02 | flyback | one of those picture frame things |
| 22:32.06 | flyback | $14 |
| 22:32.22 | flyback | I don't remeber the url from work it was on geeks though |
| 22:32.38 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: there's a gig that would be good for you |
| 22:32.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whats that? |
| 22:32.55 | CosmicPenguin | finding GPL violations |
| 22:33.03 | CosmicPenguin | you would get to hurt people |
| 22:33.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 22:33.22 | flyback | did you guys see this new law congress is trying to pass |
| 22:33.24 | flyback | copyright nazi;s |
| 22:33.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tried my hand at that back with the juicebox stuff, i'm afraid i'm not nasty enough to do that kind of work |
| 22:33.58 | flyback | I already told the folks at work I don't download stuff anyways but when they cometo my house to sieze stuff,one is us is going to end up splattered all over the walls and I don['t care who |
| 22:34.04 | CosmicPenguin | you don't have to accuse them - you get lawyers to do that |
| 22:34.07 | CosmicPenguin | you just do the detective work |
| 22:34.11 | flyback | CosmicPenguin: it's dead anyways |
| 22:34.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 22:34.17 | flyback | I think it's just a waste of energy now |
| 22:34.23 | prpplague | flyback: refering to other violators |
| 22:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | I think that would be fun |
| 22:34.30 | flyback | ah |
| 22:34.41 | flyback | I wouldnt mind getting ineq to release all the info |
| 22:34.48 | flyback | for that $11.99 router I want to order some of |
| 22:34.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed the actiontec source is the 0.50 of busybox |
| 22:35.03 | flyback | has marvel got their head out of their backside yet? |
| 22:35.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats around 4 years old |
| 22:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | my router is around 4 years old too |
| 22:35.21 | flyback | I got 2 dlink di-524's that after I repair them want to convert them to open/dd wrt |
| 22:35.26 | prpplague | flyback: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5869018570.html |
| 22:35.29 | flyback | they are marvel liberttas arm8 |
| 22:35.31 | flyback | err 9 |
| 22:35.47 | flyback | I suspect what happen is they used bad caps |
| 22:35.51 | flyback | and the routers run hot |
| 22:35.54 | flyback | and the caps die |
| 22:36.01 | flyback | then the smps can't oscillate etc |
| 22:38.57 | flyback | I really want to start the fiber tree hack this weekend |
| 22:39.09 | flyback | but I can't decixe between a 486-100 640x480 lcd 12 meg ram or the juicebox |
| 22:39.23 | flyback | as the source of the lcd to shoot images prokjected onto the fiber tree base |
| 22:39.39 | flyback | prpplague: the tsop pins on the juicebox for the rom |
| 22:39.49 | flyback | are there little holes for all those pins around the board? |
| 22:40.05 | flyback | so I wouldn't have to solder 48 wires single file |
| 22:40.15 | flyback | cause I found a junk video card with a plcc 64 meg 3.3 volt flash |
| 22:40.32 | flyback | rendition verite :P |
| 22:40.40 | flyback | basically win9x drivers only no winNT no linux |
| 22:40.46 | flyback | *CANUCKED* |
| 22:43.36 | flyback | man if I could come up with a cheap 1:1 floppy drive or even just floppy disk |
| 22:43.40 | flyback | that was 1.44 meg but flash |
| 22:43.52 | flyback | I could $$$$$ many of our customers |
| 22:44.00 | flyback | cause they have robots that run on dos boxes etc |
| 22:44.23 | flyback | although with vmware's emulation getting better and better this might be less of an issue |
| 22:44.36 | flyback | if the box can be emulated but it will still be valiable for the ones that can't |
| 22:45.20 | flyback | i'd just have to figure out how to make the mcu emulate all the analog aspects |
| 22:45.26 | flyback | head moving = advance to sector blah blah |
| 22:46.43 | SpeedEvil | no IDE? |
| 22:46.54 | flyback | I love that takedown notice we smacked the mpaa with on their little snitch kit |
| 22:47.05 | flyback | SpeedEvil: the idea is for devices that REQUIRE a floppy |
| 22:47.21 | SpeedEvil | there are flash-floppy converters. |
| 22:47.23 | flyback | the software is from 1986 and can't be changed etc |
| 22:47.30 | flyback | not true 1:1 ones |
| 22:47.32 | flyback | from what I seen |
| 22:47.34 | SpeedEvil | I seem to recall some smartmedia-floppy |
| 22:47.43 | flyback | nope |
| 22:47.49 | flyback | that one requires special host os drivers |
| 22:48.06 | flyback | i'm talking about somethign where no bios, os etc could tell it's not a real floppy |
| 22:48.26 | SpeedEvil | I was sure it supported booting from the card |
| 22:49.05 | flyback | nope |
| 22:49.11 | flyback | I checked into this for months |
| 22:49.34 | flyback | i'm goin to emulate a floppy with a pc for my hx20 and c128 assuming I ever get a keyboard etc for it |
| 22:52.31 | SpeedEvil | It may be easier to emulate a floppy drive |
| 22:55.12 | flyback | yeah but I am thinking non pc 1.44 |
| 22:55.23 | flyback | might be best to have a disk option also |
| 22:55.31 | flyback | actually |
| 22:55.41 | flyback | I guess a lot of pc floppys have jumpersto emulate non pc modes |
| 22:55.46 | flyback | so I guess a drive emulator could also |
| 22:57.19 | ds2 | emulating a floppy? heh |
| 22:57.37 | ds2 | would you like the map to the insane assylum on paper or on a stone tablet? ;) |
| 22:58.22 | flyback | BITE MY "CANUCK" |
| 22:58.34 | flyback | didn't you hear what I said |
| 22:58.43 | flyback | for legacy pc based factory equipement |
| 22:58.46 | flyback | such as cnc machines etc |
| 22:58.53 | ds2 | I know what you said |
| 22:58.59 | flyback | obviously anything you can just swap out the pc for with a new dell with flash etc |
| 22:58.59 | ds2 | but do you know how the interface is setup? |
| 22:59.01 | flyback | that's best |
| 22:59.09 | flyback | yeah it's a analog mess |
| 22:59.17 | flyback | I would have to figure out how to emulate that with a mcu |
| 22:59.29 | ds2 | yes, you'll end up bald, and in a strait jacket shortly after starting to look at it |
| 22:59.39 | flyback | wonder if reusing the controller chip on a flioppy drive + mcu would be easier |
| 23:00.03 | ds2 | might be easier to emulate the FDC instead |
| 23:00.11 | ds2 | bit less nasty of an interface, IMO |
| 23:00.12 | flyback | fdc? |
| 23:01.03 | ds2 | Floppy Disk Controller |
| 23:01.22 | flyback | you mean what's on the motherboard? |
| 23:01.25 | flyback | not an option |
| 23:01.34 | flyback | this has to be a direct flug in replacement |
| 23:01.37 | ds2 | sure it is |
| 23:01.48 | ds2 | most mother boards have a dipswitch or a CMOS setting to disable the onboard one |
| 23:01.59 | flyback | still too iffy |
| 23:02.01 | ds2 | then just have a ISA card answer to the same IO address |
| 23:02.08 | flyback | but I do like your idea :P |
| 23:02.25 | flyback | won't work though |
| 23:02.30 | flyback | with legacy gear with pci only |
| 23:02.41 | ds2 | legacy PCI gear? HE HE HE HE HE HE |
| 23:02.50 | flyback | yeah yeah I know :P |
| 23:02.52 | flyback | stupid canuck |
| 23:03.12 | ds2 | virtually all "legacy" class PCI cable gear have ISA slots, might be just 1 or 2 but there is one |
| 23:04.40 | flyback | brb switchin gto another pc |
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