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| 00:03.17 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 00:03.22 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 00:03.39 | prpplague | the ups driver backed into my car |
| 00:04.42 | flyback- | *CANUCKED* |
| 00:05.23 | flyback- | prpplague: last week I started a dban disc on a customer laptop hd so windows would stop complaining about existing crap when it was installing |
| 00:05.42 | flyback- | forgot the usb external drive we use for site vists was also still attached |
| 00:05.51 | flyback- | it started overwriting several $1000 in customer files |
| 00:06.28 | flyback- | I got some back already but I was ready to quit cause I felt bad |
| 00:06.55 | flyback- | it only got about 500 meg into a 160 gig hd before I pulled the plug |
| 00:08.11 | flyback- | at least 3 people there have even said it was dumb to have all that stuff in one place only anyways |
| 00:09.00 | flyback- | so feel better :P |
| 00:10.39 | flyback- | I need a nap |
| 00:11.48 | prpplague | dban? |
| 00:31.12 | joe_bleau | I think it's a disk wiper. |
| 00:32.02 | flyback | it's not windows |
| 00:32.06 | flyback | it's a linux disc |
| 00:32.11 | flyback | dan boot and nuke |
| 00:32.21 | flyback | we started using it when we decommision customer pc's |
| 00:32.27 | flyback | I been using it for yrs |
| 00:37.36 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:37.58 | prpplague | flyback thats not IT stuff, i don;t do much of that anymore |
| 00:38.21 | prpplague | s/not/more |
| 00:38.41 | flyback | you should |
| 00:38.52 | flyback | I do it to every flash or hd I own between os installs |
| 00:38.56 | flyback | or when tossing something |
| 00:39.02 | flyback | I also found as a side benefit |
| 00:39.10 | flyback | ut's a good way to thrast the hell out of a drive |
| 00:39.13 | flyback | and shake out the bad sectors |
| 00:39.15 | prpplague | flyback i haven't tossed a system in years |
| 00:39.26 | flyback | well I got a bin |
| 00:39.28 | flyback | of 52+ hd's |
| 00:39.34 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 00:39.35 | flyback | going to iomage them and toss < 8 gig ones |
| 00:39.39 | flyback | which is 99% of them |
| 00:39.54 | flyback | thx to dd_rescue I now have a way to get off as much data as I can |
| 00:40.04 | flyback | and with vmware I can boot up those old windows installs to get out passwords etc |
| 00:40.09 | flyback | this is great |
| 00:40.17 | flyback | I have 500 floppies and 500 cdr's to go thru though :/ |
| 00:40.28 | flyback | long story |
| 00:40.41 | flyback | i'd die for the data on those media |
| 00:40.50 | flyback | as in get into a shooting match with police etc |
| 00:41.02 | flyback | old irc logs, etc pieces of my past as I went thru depression etc |
| 00:41.07 | flyback | :/ |
| 00:41.22 | flyback | i'd only wound anyone though :P |
| 00:42.00 | flyback | in a few months I want to have it all down to a few life long archival grade dvd+r or -r |
| 00:42.04 | flyback | and be done with it |
| 00:50.53 | flyback | http://louisville.edu/~wchall01/diyprojector/pictures.htm |
| 00:50.56 | flyback | wanna do this |
| 00:50.59 | flyback | badly |
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| 00:57.08 | prpplague | landley: greatings austin texanite |
| 00:57.44 | prpplague | landley: digging thru that firmware image from verizon |
| 00:58.05 | landley | How goes it? |
| 00:58.08 | prpplague | landley: actiontec has posted what they say is the current busybox |
| 00:58.14 | landley | I presume that the FSF guys already did this. |
| 00:58.15 | prpplague | landley: busybox 0.50 |
| 00:58.20 | landley | Quite possibly. |
| 00:58.27 | prpplague | landley: yea, just an excercise for me |
| 00:58.40 | prpplague | landley: want to sharpen my skills doing this kind of thing |
| 00:58.56 | prpplague | landley: busybox 0.50 is years old |
| 00:59.01 | landley | I did two, then it stopped being an exercise and became work. :P |
| 00:59.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:59.22 | prpplague | landley indeed i can see how that happens |
| 01:00.46 | prpplague | landley probably need to create an app that scans an image for initrd and initramfs markers |
| 01:01.39 | landley | Somebody mentioned hackior-urvid earlier, or something with an equally bad name. |
| 01:01.46 | prpplague | landley freakin UPS drive backed into my car at the office |
| 01:01.56 | landley | I hope they have insurance. |
| 01:01.59 | prpplague | landley yea i dl'd that an gave it a try |
| 01:02.13 | prpplague | landley indeed, they fired him on the spot when the supervisor arrived |
| 01:02.21 | prpplague | landley felt bad for the guy |
| 01:02.45 | landley | Sigh. I need to test the new uClibc development branch. |
| 01:02.47 | prpplague | landley if we used hachoir parser we;d need to add a new magic info |
| 01:02.55 | landley | Need to update my wrapper script. |
| 01:02.57 | prpplague | landley its always something |
| 01:03.15 | landley | I got my tinycc fork to build itself from source today. |
| 01:03.21 | landley | Yay path logic being mostly ironed out now. |
| 01:03.22 | prpplague | oh coooool |
| 01:03.34 | landley | On i386, mind. x86-64 host still has some interesting issues. |
| 01:03.50 | landley | Such as "./i386-tinycc -run" segfaulting, which makes sense if you stop and think about it. |
| 01:03.57 | landley | Create a 32-bit function, call it from a 64 bit program. |
| 01:03.59 | landley | Segfault! |
| 01:04.13 | landley | Need to teach it that -run only applies to a fully native compiler. |
| 01:04.15 | prpplague | landley interesting compiler issue work well as a sedative for most poeple, hehe |
| 01:04.27 | landley | Not gcc issues. |
| 01:04.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:04.39 | prpplague | landley i think my wife would disagree, hehe |
| 01:04.40 | landley | I can't go in and fix those, because gcc will never take my patch, so I don't try. |
| 01:04.43 | landley | Instead I get mad about them. |
| 01:04.50 | prpplague | see thats the thing |
| 01:05.14 | landley | Most recent issue I had with gcc: they #define i386 1 |
| 01:05.17 | prpplague | i'm soooo frustrated with patch submissions, i don't even do it much anymore |
| 01:05.18 | landley | A built-in define. |
| 01:05.28 | prpplague | yea i read that |
| 01:05.35 | landley | Meaning the paths I was feeding it and stringifying? Every mention of the host gets turned into a 1 before it's stringified. |
| 01:05.53 | landley | I always test __i386__ because just "i386" is too dangerous to #define, but gcc does it anyway. |
| 01:05.55 | flyback | I heard amd really blew it with quads |
| 01:06.01 | flyback | it's CANUCKED |
| 01:06.17 | landley | Haven't got to play with hammer in ~2 days, but probably this weekend... |
| 01:06.30 | flyback | loh |
| 01:06.31 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 01:06.33 | flyback | how are sales |
| 01:06.39 | landley | Once I get tinycc x86 ironed out, it _does_ generate arm code... :) |
| 01:06.52 | landley | flyback: amd quads... quad core processors? |
| 01:06.59 | flyback | yeah |
| 01:07.02 | flyback | they canucked the TLB |
| 01:07.04 | prpplague | landley hehe |
| 01:07.16 | flyback | so the workaround in bios/os is like 20% performance hit |
| 01:07.17 | landley | Canucked... sent their engineering team to canada? |
| 01:07.21 | prpplague | landley indeed i'm really interested in the results of tinycc |
| 01:07.41 | prpplague | landley flyback has an abnormal issue with canadians |
| 01:07.45 | flyback | yeah |
| 01:08.00 | flyback | they must pay for william shatner's greatest hits and other acts of terrorism |
| 01:08.00 | landley | The next thing I need to do with hammer is replace the kernel with one with ipv4 support. |
| 01:08.04 | prpplague | landley and as a side note, he has some serious issues with withdrawal from antidepresants |
| 01:08.06 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if tinycc will build linuxbios |
| 01:08.16 | flyback | prpplague: done with that for now :) |
| 01:08.19 | landley | CosmicPenguin: eventually, I hope. :) |
| 01:08.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin should |
| 01:08.26 | flyback | doc said to stay at 5mg for now |
| 01:08.27 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 01:08.32 | landley | I want to get it to build the _kerrnel_, which is the hard part. |
| 01:08.36 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 01:08.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin what i know linuxbios doesn't support any problems |
| 01:08.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin evening btw |
| 01:08.56 | landley | tccboot built a linux kernel once, but it was A) a modified subset of the kernel, B) 2.4. |
| 01:08.57 | flyback | this tree walmart and homedepot are selling $150-$200 |
| 01:08.58 | flyback | is sso cool |
| 01:09.22 | CosmicPenguin | Linux bios gets a kick out of abusing compilers |
| 01:09.25 | CosmicPenguin | its what it does for fun |
| 01:09.32 | flyback | hehehe |
| 01:09.38 | prpplague | hapchap has 96 strings of xmas lights music sync'd running the hammer |
| 01:09.39 | landley | CosmicPenguin: Bring it. |
| 01:09.54 | flyback | prpplague: this is basically that :P |
| 01:09.59 | landley | Although last I checked I couldn't get linuxbios to build with gcc. |
| 01:10.08 | landley | last I checked being a year and a half ago. |
| 01:10.25 | flyback | prpplague: did you see that youtube video I pasted |
| 01:10.28 | flyback | about smartboard |
| 01:10.29 | landley | Linuxbios is one of those things that's hard for a software person like me to configure or test. |
| 01:10.33 | flyback | lets you do bga even at home |
| 01:10.37 | flyback | with a normal iron |
| 01:10.48 | CosmicPenguin | we have gadgets to help with that |
| 01:10.57 | CosmicPenguin | and eventually, a new version that will be more kconfig ish |
| 01:10.58 | flyback | they even offer a free sample |
| 01:10.59 | flyback | CosmicPenguin: |
| 01:11.00 | flyback | home |
| 01:11.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin you looked at firmware linux? |
| 01:11.10 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 01:11.12 | flyback | not "oh I have 50000 master series 5 robot bga solder at work" |
| 01:11.30 | CosmicPenguin | flyback: I am not at all interested in what you have to say, nor am I talking to you |
| 01:11.55 | landley | Binary Gate Array? |
| 01:12.04 | prpplague | landley ball grid array |
| 01:12.05 | landley | I hear bga and thing "graphics adapter from 1984" |
| 01:12.17 | prpplague | landley hehe |
| 01:12.24 | prpplague | landley my sons initials are CGA |
| 01:12.27 | landley | Some kind of executive desk toy? |
| 01:12.41 | prpplague | landley hehe package type for SoC's |
| 01:12.49 | landley | Ah. Ok. |
| 01:12.57 | landley | Oh yeah, them things. |
| 01:13.06 | landley | (I have heard of them, I just don't have context for a lot of this.) |
| 01:13.11 | prpplague | landley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array |
| 01:13.40 | landley | I've worked with lots of embedded hardware people, but them going on about hardware to me is like me going on about cache updating strategies at them. |
| 01:13.41 | prpplague | landley it;s what has basically kept the homebrew computer people out of the dev environment for the last 10 years |
| 01:13.52 | prpplague | landley hehe indeed |
| 01:14.08 | prpplague | landley BGA packages is why we did the hammer |
| 01:14.26 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 01:14.31 | landley | hmmm? |
| 01:14.31 | prpplague | landley the hammer has .1" prototype pins which is what most home brew people have and can do by hand |
| 01:14.44 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bga+solder&search=Search |
| 01:15.00 | prpplague | landley we do all the bga work, so they can do the rest by hand |
| 01:15.00 | flyback | CosmicPenguin: that's a shame cause I thnk you area pretty smart guy |
| 01:15.03 | flyback | just a bit too stuck up |
| 01:15.34 | prpplague | flyback: now would be a good time to ease on back into the background |
| 01:15.49 | landley | prpplague: I'm quite happy with getting a board that "just works" and has the option for me to stick paperclips into it to light up a flashlight bulb like I did when I was 7 years old. |
| 01:15.54 | flyback | ok I am takihg a nap anyways :) |
| 01:16.04 | prpplague | landley hehe |
| 01:16.33 | prpplague | landley indeed, but when you get the bite of embedded its hard to get rid of it hehe |
| 01:16.51 | flyback | landley: |
| 01:17.00 | flyback | you should get a juicebox or one of these $11.99 routers I found |
| 01:17.05 | landley | prpplague: I'm mostly immune to the lure of hardware. |
| 01:17.10 | prpplague | landley hehe |
| 01:17.12 | flyback | you might enjoy hacking them up |
| 01:17.27 | prpplague | flyback landley has much better things to do, hehe |
| 01:17.39 | landley | It's hard to revert to a backup of hardware. |
| 01:17.51 | flyback | ok :P |
| 01:18.05 | landley | I dunno about "better", I just have a couple hundred "other" things to do. |
| 01:18.08 | prpplague | landley: its a small space, being able to do hardware and software, most people are comfortable with one or the other |
| 01:18.14 | landley | One of which is job search. :P |
| 01:18.28 | prpplague | landley problem is if you are in the middle like me, you are ok with both, but great at neither |
| 01:18.32 | landley | The interesting jobs are usually the ones that people track you down and offer to you, but those don't come on command... |
| 01:18.41 | landley | I'm like that in software. |
| 01:18.47 | landley | I dabble at the kernel, but I'm not a kernel developer. |
| 01:19.02 | landley | I dabble at userspace, but haven't done serious GUI development in... 8 years? |
| 01:19.32 | landley | My approach to CGI is a python program with a little calculation at the top and then one big print """blah""" % dictionary |
| 01:19.43 | landley | (Python makes it sooooo easy to write cgi.) |
| 01:20.12 | landley | The thing is, I tend to become "the expert" at things nobody else knows because I break whatever it is by accident in passing anyway and then have to put it back together. |
| 01:20.20 | landley | I look like an expert in comparison. |
| 01:20.45 | landley | Until somebody else actually learns whatever it is. |
| 01:21.21 | flyback | http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/12/11/top-10-christmas-project-ideas/ |
| 01:21.25 | prpplague | landley exactly |
| 01:21.41 | prpplague | landley hehe, you look up and there isn't anyone around, hehe |
| 01:22.10 | landley | It's also important to actually _use_ stuff. |
| 01:22.51 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 01:23.06 | landley | Lots of stuff almost works, but nobody's ever done $X with it and there are Pointy Bits. |
| 01:23.12 | prpplague | didn't fade have a pic gallery up? |
| 01:23.22 | landley | Pictures of what? |
| 01:24.15 | prpplague | hehe, of you and her, my wife was curious what you guys look like |
| 01:27.17 | prpplague | landley ho ho hum, trying to write up some docs for the flyswatter |
| 01:28.12 | prpplague | i guess cosmic went for some beer |
| 01:29.27 | landley | Sorry, distracted. |
| 01:29.35 | prpplague | np meeee tooooo |
| 01:29.38 | landley | There's video of me throwing liquid nitrogen into a swimming pool a couple years back... |
| 01:29.40 | joe_bleau | Any benchmarks on the flyswatter download speed? |
| 01:30.25 | prpplague | joe_bleau yea its a standard ft2232 chipset so the specs are posted in the openocd docs |
| 01:31.03 | landley | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo |
| 01:31.45 | prpplague | landley hehe yea, i had that one book marked |
| 01:31.56 | prpplague | landley seems like fade had a pic up with blue hair |
| 01:32.08 | landley | And http://landley.net/ols/ols2006/busybox-initrd.mov is me giving a presentation at OLS in 2006. |
| 01:32.28 | prpplague | ahh didn't have that one |
| 01:33.20 | prpplague | joe_bleau quick test shows about 1mb/s |
| 01:33.33 | joe_bleau | Wow, that's fast. Cool. |
| 01:33.44 | landley | http://landley.net/todo/babydollworn.jpg |
| 01:33.57 | landley | http://landley.net/todo/fadesmile.jpg |
| 01:34.02 | landley | Neither of which is a remotely recent picture... |
| 01:34.37 | landley | There are some truly embarassing wedding photos. |
| 01:34.46 | landley | Something about the lighting in the room, NOBODY there looked good in the pictures. |
| 01:34.53 | landley | Still, http://flickr.com/photos/mirell/sets/72157600112335835/ |
| 01:35.06 | landley | That's Steve Jackson conducting the ceremony. Eric Raymond was best man. |
| 01:35.09 | landley | Yeah, that kind of wedding. |
| 01:35.32 | prpplague | ahh wedding photos |
| 01:36.45 | prpplague | landley ok so i had to slap my wife for you |
| 01:37.07 | prpplague | landley she asked if fade's maiden name was "Away" |
| 01:37.52 | prpplague | landley nothing personal, she's just humor challenged |
| 01:38.06 | landley | Then there's photos from OLS which again don't look much like us, just in a different direction. |
| 01:38.12 | landley | http://flickr.com/photos/mirell/922018897/in/set-72157601082719410/ and the one before it. |
| 01:38.44 | landley | Fade holding a kitten: http://flickr.com/photos/mirell/488075248/in/set-72157594437279434/ |
| 01:38.46 | landley | I'll stop now. |
| 01:38.56 | prpplague | was that at that bar, lets see ... was it called "the cellar" or something like that? |
| 01:39.29 | landley | The blackthorn? |
| 01:39.32 | landley | Dunno, might have been. |
| 01:39.38 | landley | I think it was at one of the sponsored parties before that. |
| 01:39.47 | landley | Either the Intel one or the PPC one. |
| 01:39.57 | prpplague | naw there is one in the square that's called the cellar or something |
| 01:40.07 | prpplague | chouimat|away will know |
| 01:40.11 | prpplague | he's in ottawa |
| 01:41.05 | prpplague | landley thats for the photos that keep my wife busy, i have to go do some soldering, got a robot to work on |
| 01:41.07 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 01:41.43 | landley | ok |
| 01:41.56 | landley | About to -HUP my webserver, if large video downloads abort, now you know why. |
| 01:42.01 | landley | (Trying to install wordpress for Fade.) |
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| 01:51.44 | prpplague | ok i lied too tired to solder this evening |
| 01:51.52 | prpplague | office politics has me worn out today |
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| 04:41.27 | wmat | prpplague: office politics eh, that sucks |
| 04:47.35 | landley | Trying to set up wordpress. |
| 04:47.49 | landley | Two hours trying to get "mysqladmin version" to say something other than "Access denied for user root@localhost". |
| 04:48.06 | landley | Postgresql was a breeze compared to this. |
| 04:50.56 | landley | There's probably a very simple fix for whatever's wrong, but it's totally opaque. I can't see what I'm doing. |
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| 05:21.55 | SpeedEvil | you've tried the idiots last resort? strace, and look at all the open calls? |
| 05:40.47 | landley | SpeedEvil: I ran it under strace. Didn't help. Called in a friend who fixed it for me. |
| 05:50.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 05:50.47 | SpeedEvil | I basically mean that gives you one way to fix it - as it must be in one of the referenced files, or in one of the things it connects to over the internet. |
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| 18:46.00 | adyer | lol |
| 18:56.02 | flyback- | prpplague: |
| 18:56.15 | flyback- | I am finally convinced that the juicebox's rom is too CANUCKED to replace |
| 18:56.18 | flyback- | pinout standard wise |
| 18:56.28 | flyback- | unless I just soldered wires to all the cpu lines and that looks too painful |
| 18:56.57 | flyback- | I just wish I could find a local source of smartmedia or xd really cheap |
| 18:57.21 | flyback- | could I solder a socket from a sm or xd reader to the juicebox cart port? |
| 18:58.02 | flyback- | I wanna get something going in the next day or so |
| 18:58.07 | flyback- | so I can do the xmas tree hack thing |
| 19:03.11 | ds2 | check cheap USB thumbdrives |
| 19:03.18 | ds2 | I believe one guy was pulling NAND's off them |
| 19:05.47 | flyback- | heh I have 2 256 meg ones that are shot |
| 19:05.53 | flyback- | have like 8 intel bga chips |
| 19:06.02 | flyback- | and considering they start with R I suspect they were made for rom only |
| 19:06.05 | flyback- | explains why they crapped out |
| 19:25.40 | flyback- | omg |
| 19:25.52 | flyback- | these people want me to login and stuff to get the datasheet for a canucking gige phy? |
| 19:25.55 | flyback- | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE |
| 19:27.22 | flyback- | TALK ABOUT paranoid |
| 19:31.56 | joe_bleau | OMG: I just realized I can't remember the last time I did any useless (no work relevance), trivial hobby programming. |
| 19:32.27 | flyback- | haha |
| 19:32.30 | flyback- | I know that feeling |
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