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03:18.22MirellHmmm.
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14:47.04chouimat|workmorning
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14:51.45wmatprpplague^2: you may notice the new server is down at present. timr tried to remotely replace the fc7 install with debian.
14:54.43prpplague^2wmat: doh
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14:55.09prpplaguewmat: timr or timb?
14:55.11chouimat|workprpplague:  ok being stuck for 25 minutes in an elevator is not a good way to start the day
14:55.33prpplaguechouimat|work: depends on if its full of stripers on the way to work
14:56.04chouimat|workprpplague: only a s* &smoke smelling old hag who happens to be paranoid
14:56.27prpplaguewmat: does tim even come on irc anymore?
14:56.33prpplaguewmat: i've not spoke to him in ages
15:02.02wmatprpplague: he's in #elinux everyday pretty much
15:04.52wmatprpplague: any idea what's a better OS choice, FC7, CentOS4,or CentOS5?
15:05.05wmatprpplague: those are the choices we have when we reprovision
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15:08.01wmatprpplague: forget that question, as they offer more software around FC7
15:24.04prpplaguewmat: indeed
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15:27.30prpplagueGPSFan: greetings crack baby
15:28.00GPSFanprpplague: dude, how's trix...
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16:39.14wmatprpplague: you'll have to reset your pw on the new server again
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17:23.46prpplaguewmat: lovely
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18:00.27prpplagueMirell: so..... when's the first day at work?
18:01.02cbrakeprpplague: replacement Embedded works Atheros eval board still not responding to CMD5 .. hmm....
18:01.13prpplaguecbrake: hehe
18:01.18cbrakeprpplague: I must still be doing something wrong...
18:01.19prpplaguecbrake: thats the ar6k stuff?
18:01.23cbrakeprpplague: nod
18:01.34cbrakeprpplague: zcom modules seem to be recognized fine
18:01.51prpplaguecbrake: interesting
18:02.02prpplaguecbrake: you using the poster atheros code?
18:02.05prpplagueposted
18:02.07cbrakeprpplague: and I can't fit my Card Access board into the dev system ...
18:02.19prpplaguecbrake: doh
18:02.20cbrakeprpplague: not even worring about that yet.  Just trying to get the SDIO stack to ID the card
18:02.29prpplaguecbrake: OH
18:02.36prpplaguecbrake: i usually don;t start there
18:02.58prpplaguecbrake: i always started with a standalone driver that inits the sdio and manually polls the card for some basic info
18:03.30prpplaguecbrake: as far as the Card Access board, time to solder on a new sd slot, hehe
18:03.47cbrakeprpplague: nod, perhaps I should take a look at the ar6k driver and see if they are doing anything different on card ID
18:04.03cbrakeprpplague: odd that both WinCE and Linux stacks don't recognize the Embedded works module
18:04.05prpplaguecbrake: thts where i'd start
18:04.33prpplaguecbrake: my guess is there is probably a timing issue
18:04.40cbrakeprpplague: nod, seems likely
18:04.45prpplaguecbrake: as far as initial power up and reset
18:05.05prpplaguecbrake: the 8385 stuff had a very very specific timing sequence for init
18:05.59prpplaguesorphin: hey bud
18:06.05prpplaguesorphin: didn't see you there
18:06.11prpplaguesorphin: whats cookin today?
18:06.25cbrakeprpplague: wonder how the openmoko folks are doing with the ar6k driver?  You checked that out recently?
18:13.35Mirellprpplague: Next week, after Christmas.
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18:38.21sorphinprpplague: nothin.. waiting to go home.. lol
18:39.04prpplaguecbrake: sorry no i have not looked lately
18:39.07prpplagueMirell: good deal
18:39.39prpplagueMirell: so... you'll be the waster disposal engineer at a software development company? hehehe
18:40.37Mirello.O
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22:17.11GPSFanT0mW: hey...
22:17.20T0mWGPSFan: halo
22:17.52GPSFanT0mW: snowing there?
22:17.59T0mWnaw
22:18.32T0mW~kage
22:18.35T0mW~kabe
22:18.39GPSFanjust stopping here after about 2" since last night. a white xmas comming.
22:18.53GPSFan~kgjt
22:19.07GPSFanguess purl is asleep
22:19.26GPSFanpurl lart purl
22:19.26purldumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on gpsfan
22:19.42T0mWGPSFan: I'm not hoping for a which Christmas, my driveway is still frozen from the last sleet storm on Sunday
22:19.57T0mWpurl: ~kabe
22:20.50GPSFanT0mW: you do any more z2 stuff?
22:25.37T0mWGPSFan: nope, been working on a new s3c2410 board that I'm bringing up.
22:27.39GPSFanT0mW: how goes the new board? btw the z2 uses blob as a bootloader.
22:28.19GPSFanT0mW: did you toaster oven assemble it?
22:29.04T0mWno, I've been working totally on this new board.
22:29.28T0mWbesides, I'm just not comfortable with the terms of the linux.zipitwireless.com website
22:29.51GPSFanT0mW: I was asking if you toaster oven ASSEMBLED you NEW board.
22:30.10T0mWGPSFan: yeah, I did, um, hold on.
22:31.16T0mWGPSFan: http://www.openhardware.net/SuperMuxPad4.gif
22:32.30GPSFanT0mW: I haven't agreed to the eula either, and am going to send mike a list of issues I have with it. Also all I've done so far has been without access to the areas requiring the eula.
22:32.39T0mWGPSFan: kind of a dark photo, but you get the idea: s3c2410 @ 200MHz, 16Meg Flash, 64Meg SDRAM (32bit), enc28j60 10baseT, MMC card on SDIO i'face
22:33.02GPSFanit's didn't load
22:34.31MirellIt's 72F here.
22:35.00MirellCrazy Northerners.
22:35.05T0mWGPSFan: I haven't looked at the site, if they have a public area you can get the kernel + boot from SD card, that would be good.
22:35.51GPSFanT0mW: they do, it requires the preview username/password, but that's so you can see it before it goes live.
22:36.07T0mWGPSFan: yeah, just checked it.
22:36.10GPSFanno need to accept the eula to see that
22:36.27T0mWbut, then it drops you into the eula screen
22:36.36T0mWat least, last time it did.
22:37.29T0mWGPSFan: I'm working on three new linux designs, I just don't like their eula and don't want the hassle of passing it before my IP lawyer before I agree to it.
22:37.32GPSFanonly if you go after the hardware info or the sd card booting info, the kernel stuff is ok. although the patch to the blob sources doesn't apply. bout the others do ok.
22:37.46T0mWGPSFan: those terms are somewhat "what's yours is mine"
22:38.09GPSFanindeed. I don't like the indemnify clauses.
22:38.36T0mWneither do I, I would rather not get involved and, when I have time, reverse engineer the unit.
22:39.29ds2is reverse engineering still allowed in the US?
22:39.44GPSFanT0mW: I was curious if you had had time to look at the eula, I haven't seen you there in a few days. Thanks for the info, I'm glad I'm not alone in being concerned.
22:41.24T0mWGPSFan: I saw it about a week ago, copied it onto my home dir so I could read it offline.  My initial reaction to it was that I was uncomfortable with it.  After several more days of not thinking about it and going back to read it, I still was uncomfortable.
22:41.39roxfands2: afaik as long as you're not breaking copy protections
22:42.05T0mWds2: you can reverse engineer to add functionality
22:42.14ds2Hmmm
22:42.39roxfaneula doesn't supercede the law... whatever they write there doesn't necessarily means they can stop you
22:42.49ds2so say with the Prius, I can reverse engineer it to add a 100x bigger battery?
22:42.55SpeedEvilSure.
22:43.04SpeedEvilAll you need is a large trailer.
22:43.08ds2:)
22:43.17roxfanthere might be some patents there though
22:43.49ds2*nod* but the patents just prevents me from selling the results. I can still publish a paper on it
22:44.07T0mWDMCA is a nasty peice of legislation where Trade Secret is supposed to be covered under it.  This has been a radical departure regarding trade secret.  In the past, trade secret was only a secret if nobody else found out, once they did, there was no legal recourse.  Now trade secret falls into the grey-area.
22:44.08GPSFanT0mW: the only "new" info I see there at the moment is possibliy the connector pinnout and the "how to boot off the SD card". Well the pinnout can be RE'd quite easily, and if it contains jtag pins it will be eaisy to re-flash without brickage.
22:44.24ds2sigh
22:44.31GPSFanI've really seen neither, just the project titles.
22:44.59T0mWGPSFan: is there a "barrier" to their proprietary data?
22:45.19GPSFanbarrier?
22:45.31T0mWGPSFan: I mean, you have to click on a reminder of your eula terms
22:46.37T0mWGPSFan: something like that.  I was afraid that if I registered, that there would be no barrier / logging of your entry into the proprietary areas.  Thus, they could claim that I viewed data that I had not looked at.
22:46.39GPSFanT0mW: you can't see the "new" info if you don't fill out the eula form, which includes all your data.
22:46.52T0mWoh, ok
22:47.37GPSFanT0mW: the site seems well set up (as far as I saw) but is VERY slow.
22:48.33GPSFanT0mW: it also supposedly has all the Z1 info as well, but the link goes nowhare.
22:48.44T0mWnod
22:49.13T0mWGPSFan: right now, I am taking a pass on their offer.  Too much at stake right now at my end.
22:49.50T0mWcurious that they still haven't opened the public data side up...
22:49.58GPSFanT0mW: indeed, I'll probably pass as well, but mike has said that they would revise it if people were unhappy with it.
22:50.41GPSFanT0mW: part is the "slowness" issue, and they just did a big rollout of their text messageing service.
22:51.09GPSFanand the xmas holidays.
22:52.05T0mWGPSFan: they lump together the third-party developer + open source developer agreement into one lump you have to swallow.  I am not interested in developing apps to sell or help them out with their projects.  I feel that by agreeing to their terms that you and I cannot do the kind of work that we did on the Z1.
22:53.02T0mWGPSFan: anyway, I will send a comment to mike about it.
22:53.06GPSFanT0mW: exactly, infact it is expressly forbidden. So then what's to do? halp them develop their service business?
22:53.40T0mWGPSFan: what it reads to me is that they welcome any unpaid help in helping them build a better produce.
22:53.47T0mWs/produce/product
22:54.19GPSFanproduce is more like it
22:54.29T0mWGPSFan: but, you cannot tell anyone about what you did for them, take credit for it only on their wiki, and they can remove anything they find "offensive", censure the site.
22:54.53T0mWGPSFan: they want their cake and eat it too.
22:55.23T0mWGPSFan: bah, go away, you got me worked up about this. heh
22:55.24GPSFanT0mW: that's about it.
22:55.36GPSFansorry. Merry xmas...
22:55.51T0mWGPSFan: haha, Merry Christmas Ken
22:55.55GPSFan;>))
23:00.17roxfanwhat are you guys discussing btw?
23:01.02T0mWZipit Z2 End User License agreement to view various data about the Zipit
23:02.44jbevrenT0mW: so its like apple's site?
23:02.51jbevrenif they dont like what you post, it disappears :)
23:02.56roxfansend me one, i'm not in the us :)
23:03.11roxfani can reverse whatever i want :)
23:04.40jbevrenwhat about the interoperability clause in the dmca ;)
23:08.16T0mWwtf does perl's regex accept: 's/[ ,]+/ /g' but sed is completely clueless about what that expression means?
23:10.51ds2busybox sed?
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23:41.07MirellMmm.
23:43.33T0mWds2: no, normal sed
23:43.53T0mWon an x86_64 box
23:46.13T0mWroxfan: you have an email?
23:46.42roxfan@gmail.com
23:49.45T0mWroxfan: you have mail

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