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| 03:26.43 | Mirell | ? |
| 03:28.39 | agaffney | flyback: you know, there's this big building called a hospital |
| 03:32.31 | flyback | dude |
| 03:32.35 | flyback | I am sick of being in there on/off |
| 03:33.14 | agaffney | then don't complain that you can't breathe :P |
| 03:38.07 | jbevren | flyback: my niece is tired of having to inject insulin into her stomach twice a day. It's heartless to say so, but live with it. |
| 03:40.32 | flyback | in her stomach wtf for? |
| 03:40.59 | jbevren | not into her stomach directly |
| 03:41.05 | jbevren | she's insluin dependent |
| 03:41.13 | jbevren | has been since 8 |
| 03:41.33 | jbevren | I dont understand by experience, but I know it sucks to have a bad condition that just doesnt go away |
| 03:41.59 | jbevren | I'm sorry you suffer (and at times I really genuinely feel for you), but this isn't #complain :) |
| 03:42.18 | jbevren | on another note |
| 03:42.26 | jbevren | $30 for a 150ft cat5 usb2.0 extender |
| 03:42.30 | jbevren | I'm VERY tempted |
| 03:42.30 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:43.15 | jbevren | anyone have experience with theM? |
| 03:43.18 | agaffney | hmm |
| 03:45.26 | jbevren | lol I could put my flyswatter onto my crossbuild pc with that |
| 03:45.38 | jbevren | not that building in an nfsdir doesnt help with that |
| 03:47.27 | jbevren | newegg reviews indicate that the packaging incorrectly claims 2.0 |
| 03:47.31 | jbevren | its apparently 1.2 |
| 03:47.45 | jbevren | still, thats good for a console extender |
| 03:48.31 | jbevren | it has the hi-speed logo even |
| 03:49.57 | agaffney | there's a 1.2? |
| 03:51.10 | jbevren | 1.0 is the -real- slow usb |
| 03:51.13 | jbevren | 1Mbps isnt it? |
| 03:51.16 | jbevren | 1.2 is 12Mbps |
| 03:51.26 | jbevren | 2.0 is NOT hi-speed heh |
| 03:51.35 | jbevren | its a protocol change, not a data rate change |
| 03:51.54 | jbevren | people were demanding USB2.0 on their motherboards before hi-speed was available on motherboards |
| 03:52.03 | jbevren | so they redefined "2.0" to be 12Mbit |
| 03:52.13 | jbevren | instead of satisfying demand lol |
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| 03:54.49 | flyback | jbevren: |
| 03:54.52 | flyback | they have a inhaler insilin now even |
| 03:54.58 | flyback | they can't find wtf is wrong with me :/ |
| 03:55.21 | jbevren | flyback: nod, the human body is still largely unknown :( |
| 03:55.28 | flyback | espically the mind :/ |
| 03:55.33 | flyback | hey mabye you can help |
| 03:55.38 | jbevren | heh do i want to? :) |
| 03:55.41 | flyback | since I am sucidal so I decided to do a electronics project |
| 03:55.46 | flyback | :P |
| 03:55.50 | flyback | I got a sony lcd |
| 03:55.52 | jbevren | keeping busy is good |
| 03:56.00 | flyback | 90% sure it has the same pinout as another model |
| 03:56.09 | jbevren | I was never suicidal but I was deep in depression until I jsut got so tired of being that way :P |
| 03:56.11 | flyback | takes +3.3 for it's vio so I assume the serial bus is +3.3 |
| 03:56.22 | jbevren | youre sure its serial? |
| 03:56.24 | flyback | what do I need using shit around the house |
| 03:56.25 | jbevren | most lcd's are parallel |
| 03:56.32 | flyback | to connect it to a parallel port which is +5 ttl |
| 03:56.35 | flyback | no it's serial |
| 03:56.40 | flyback | sdata sclck :P |
| 03:56.43 | jbevren | around the house? that's challenging really |
| 03:56.48 | flyback | not in my house |
| 03:56.54 | flyback | I have a TON of old isa cards |
| 03:56.59 | flyback | 74xxx series logic etc |
| 03:57.00 | jbevren | yeah, theyre all 5v :) |
| 03:57.02 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 03:57.09 | jbevren | so those arent useful |
| 03:57.17 | jbevren | but for level translation, |
| 03:57.23 | jbevren | look up how to do it with transistors |
| 03:57.36 | jbevren | if youre not expecting to recieve data back, you can just switch 5v to 3.3v with a transistor |
| 03:58.22 | flyback | anyways what can I do |
| 03:58.34 | flyback | I wanna try one last time to get this xmas tree hack done :) |
| 03:59.36 | flyback | got a bunch of old motherboards too |
| 03:59.45 | flyback | wonder if they have any insteresting voltage level translators |
| 03:59.46 | flyback | hmm |
| 04:00.19 | jbevren | maybe on the bus transcievers between southbridge and isa slot |
| 04:00.32 | jbevren | I'm going to wildly guess that the bridges are 3.3v |
| 04:00.36 | jbevren | but isa as you know is 5v |
| 04:01.02 | jbevren | specialized ICs might ahve 5v transcievers just for the isa slots though |
| 04:01.18 | jbevren | look for 74*245 or so |
| 04:01.25 | jbevren | 245s are line drivers/transcievers |
| 04:02.22 | jbevren | agaffney: I'm mistaken |
| 04:02.25 | jbevren | usb1.1 is 12Mbit |
| 04:04.33 | flyback | yes I know |
| 04:04.38 | flyback | but I can never get a straight answer |
| 04:04.45 | flyback | what versiojn of 74 series I need to do this |
| 04:04.52 | jbevren | umm |
| 04:04.57 | jbevren | I dont remember for sure |
| 04:05.02 | jbevren | let me see if I have one in my chip box |
| 04:05.07 | jbevren | I think I used alvc |
| 04:06.55 | jbevren | http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards/ml310/current/pcb/ds/sn74lvc244a.pdf |
| 04:07.01 | jbevren | thats what my homemade jtagger is made with |
| 04:07.06 | flyback | lvc |
| 04:07.14 | jbevren | vcc is 1.65 to 3.6v |
| 04:07.20 | flyback | yeah I want to make one of those soon myself |
| 04:07.20 | jbevren | it accepts 5.5v TTL input |
| 04:07.24 | flyback | ah |
| 04:07.26 | flyback | ah! |
| 04:07.28 | jbevren | theyre cheap by the bundle |
| 04:07.28 | flyback | ah! |
| 04:07.36 | jbevren | so its even 1.8vcc safe |
| 04:07.46 | flyback | so even though it can only use xxx volts it can still in and out higher? |
| 04:08.29 | flyback | wonder if AC or HC would work |
| 04:09.10 | jbevren | woah |
| 04:09.14 | jbevren | you can get them in BGA format |
| 04:09.16 | jbevren | that's GOT to be tiny |
| 04:10.33 | jbevren | it would ahve to be lv |
| 04:10.37 | jbevren | 'lv' is low voltage |
| 04:10.44 | jbevren | but once you find one, get the -specific- pdf |
| 04:10.49 | jbevren | make sure it accepts 5v inputs |
| 04:10.57 | jbevren | and "mixed signal" inputs |
| 04:11.37 | jbevren | 25 for $11 at digikey |
| 04:11.38 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:11.44 | jbevren | alvc, should work fine |
| 04:12.09 | jbevren | 244's are drivers (one direction), easier to work with ;) |
| 04:12.15 | jbevren | 245's are bidirectional |
| 04:14.41 | flyback | wait |
| 04:14.57 | flyback | how does something with a vcc of 1.x-3.3 output a 5 volt signal? |
| 04:15.00 | flyback | built in charge pump? |
| 04:19.14 | flyback | http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-e.htm |
| 04:19.26 | flyback | ugh problem with that chip is |
| 04:19.28 | flyback | it's directional |
| 04:19.40 | flyback | so Iguess I will need 2 chips if I don't want to have to toggle it? |
| 04:20.53 | flyback | actually I am an idiot |
| 04:20.59 | flyback | if I just reverse the wires |
| 04:21.08 | flyback | then they are all "going the same direction" |
| 04:21.28 | flyback | if the pins I am dealing with are hard wired 1 direction |
| 04:26.14 | jbevren | you'll have to toggle it anyway on the parallel pot |
| 04:44.59 | flyback | http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-decimator-e.htm |
| 04:45.07 | flyback | jbevren: why |
| 04:48.38 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.19 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tklHLRDiAbU&feature=related# <--- wtf hahahahahaah |
| 05:58.46 | flyback | man I haven't heard this song in yrs I love it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLmOHfjLVWM# |
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| 06:09.04 | Mirell | o.O |
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| 10:33.37 | SpeedEvil | when does prpplague usually login? |
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| 16:00.14 | prpplague | ~quote scoxq.pk |
| 16:00.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:00.37 | prpplague | another fun day in the life of SCO |
| 16:00.59 | SpeedEvil | is that 33% change? |
| 16:01.20 | prpplague | SpeedEvil and delisted |
| 16:01.32 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:01.59 | SpeedEvil | What's the weight of a hammer? 10g or so? |
| 16:02.13 | SpeedEvil | And do you have published shock specs? |
| 16:02.14 | prpplague | hmm good question |
| 16:02.27 | prpplague | SpeedEvil nope |
| 16:02.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil we did very little of those types of tests |
| 16:03.14 | SpeedEvil | You said yesterday that one of the USB ports is fixed in device mode. |
| 16:03.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil i'd have to weigh a hammer board at the office |
| 16:03.22 | SpeedEvil | is this un-doable? |
| 16:03.35 | SpeedEvil | by pulling off resistors and reprogramming the port? |
| 16:03.37 | prpplague | SpeedEvil you miss understood, i said the nail board had it fixed |
| 16:03.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 16:03.52 | SpeedEvil | I see. |
| 16:04.13 | prpplague | the hammers second usb port can be used as either a host or slave device |
| 16:04.42 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I was wondering about a potential app in which it really could do with 2 host ports. |
| 16:05.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil yep you can use both as hosts |
| 16:05.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil however the default kernel we ship is configured for one host and one slave |
| 16:05.32 | SpeedEvil | Currently trying to work out a UAV. |
| 16:05.51 | SpeedEvil | And at least initially, being able to throw lots of CPU power at it would be nice. |
| 16:06.14 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:07.50 | SpeedEvil | USB2 would be lovely, but... |
| 16:08.29 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:08.41 | prpplague | very few SoC's right now have usb2 |
| 16:08.50 | prpplague | next gen SoC's will have it |
| 16:08.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 16:08.56 | prpplague | mostly arm11 based |
| 16:10.11 | SpeedEvil | What's typical write speed on an attached SD? |
| 16:11.16 | prpplague | SpeedEvil depends on how it is attached |
| 16:11.38 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board early prototype |
| 16:11.55 | prpplague | oops wrong channel |
| 16:16.45 | prpplague | SpeedEvil sd/mmc via spi controller isn't too bad |
| 16:17.05 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that, yes. |
| 16:17.07 | prpplague | SpeedEvil sdio controller is better, but using a usb->sd/mmc controller seems to be the fastes |
| 16:17.12 | prpplague | fastest |
| 16:17.41 | SpeedEvil | Right, so looking at well under a meg a second? |
| 16:18.48 | prpplague | SpeedEvil i'd have to double check, but there abouts |
| 16:18.55 | prpplague | ~quote scoxq.pk |
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| 18:00.46 | flyback | oh boy |
| 18:00.54 | flyback | looks like I finally got SpeedEvil merged into this channel |
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| 18:45.01 | malkav | hey there, i've scored, for a huge discout of 19.95 a Vtech Language Lab laptop |
| 18:45.05 | malkav | check it out http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2863468&cp=&sr=1&origkw=vtech&kw=vtech&parentPage=search |
| 18:45.38 | malkav | im going to be disassembling it when i get home from work. ive searched the web couldnt find anything on hacking it yet but it looks like it has potential |
| 18:45.59 | malkav | it has USB, a touchpad, keyboard and a small greyscale lcd |
| 18:46.14 | malkav | uses sd cards for OS |
| 18:46.28 | malkav | any thoughts on this would be very welcome |
| 18:48.19 | malkav | and if anyone else is interested in picking one up i got mine at radio shack on sale at 50% off |
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| 20:37.08 | malkav | flyback T0mW either of you seen anything on this line of vtech toys i mentioned earlier |
| 20:37.30 | malkav | i dont know yet whether it is c64 or a linux os |
| 20:37.48 | malkav | got it for 20$ and will be cracking it open tonight |
| 20:39.26 | T0mW | heh, no |
| 20:39.49 | malkav | could be exciting. |
| 20:40.03 | T0mW | I think that I saw somebody did a surgical review of that thing someplace on the web |
| 20:40.25 | malkav | you might be referring to the Hummer DTV radio shack toy |
| 20:40.35 | malkav | that was cool, it turns out that was a true c64 clone |
| 20:41.09 | malkav | there was a hack to make it work with the disk drive and everything |
| 20:41.35 | malkav | this was so cheap i knew i had to jump at ripping it open. |
| 20:42.08 | malkav | it has a keyboard, trackpad, ps/2 mouse, USB and SD carteridges |
| 20:46.13 | malkav | there was also a Bratz! drum kit for girls that i might pick up too they want like 10 bucks for on 70% off sale. i'd tear it apart and put photo diodes on instead of the touchpads |
| 20:47.05 | malkav | http://www.radioshack.com/sm-bratz-electronic-5-pad-drum-set--pi-2845787.html |
| 21:08.58 | cajaka | next time your at an RS ask if they could find a, 214-3057 in the district. Its the sku for one |
| 21:25.24 | malkav | cajaka alright. |
| 21:25.54 | malkav | now is definitely the time to pick up potentially hackable toys from radio shack and toys r us |
| 21:26.07 | malkav | 50% off sales etc |
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| 21:27.47 | malkav | cajaka what is it |
| 21:30.17 | cajaka | The hummers sku |
| 21:32.18 | flyback | I think the hummers dried up a while ago :/ |
| 21:45.10 | malkav | cajaka oh you cant get the hummers anymore |
| 21:45.15 | malkav | cajaka thats a lost cause |
| 21:45.25 | malkav | unless you find one through ebay or something |
| 21:45.49 | malkav | as soon as somebody hacked it to turn it into a c64 that dried up, and there are no more remakes |
| 21:45.57 | malkav | which in my opinion is pretty dumb |
| 21:48.20 | malkav | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV there are other versions of the same device under different names according to the game it was built for |
| 21:48.34 | malkav | maybe you will get lucky there. |
| 21:49.12 | cajaka | Around the area I moved from the hack didn't catch on they stayed in the store for like 9 months after it can out before they were gone. I know a lot of stuff at RS gets pulled from shelves just to make space for incoming items. So you never know whats it the back room with out asking |
| 21:49.38 | malkav | you can buy the c-one board for about 50 bucks here http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ |
| 21:50.02 | cajaka | nice |
| 21:52.33 | flyback | http://www.idgevents.de/fileserver/idgevents/files/123.pdf <-- check this out I just stumbled on this looking for some info on my new hd |
| 21:54.01 | malkav | you know what that file needs? to be even bigger and slower to download |
| 22:33.15 | Mirell | Matisse is snoring. |
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| 23:11.00 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 23:11.04 | flyback | I am confused to hell and back |
| 23:11.11 | flyback | mabye you can help |
| 23:11.20 | flyback | when connecting +5 to +3.3 what the heck do you use |
| 23:11.24 | flyback | I mean what's the rules |
| 23:11.38 | flyback | how do you know when to use TTL signal versions of 74 series logic etc |
| 23:11.55 | prpplague | there is no "rule" per se, but you can easily use 74ahc245's |
| 23:11.55 | flyback | mabye this is paxil damage I dunno :/ |
| 23:12.02 | flyback | what about just HC |
| 23:12.38 | flyback | I noticed that it has a "toggle" for one or the other direction |
| 23:12.40 | prpplague | hc is probably fine, i'd have to look at the datasheet, but we generally use ahc for all of our stuff since it has a wider range |
| 23:12.49 | prpplague | correct |
| 23:13.00 | flyback | if some of your pins are always 1 direction can you just swap the wires so they all face the same direction and avoid the whole toggle |
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| 23:13.13 | flyback | well I have HC lying around on old boards |
| 23:13.16 | flyback | only reason I asked :P |
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| 23:14.10 | prpplague | ~quote scoxq.pk |
| 23:14.21 | flyback | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! |
| 23:14.33 | prpplague | flyback please don't do that |
| 23:14.38 | flyback | ok |
| 23:14.43 | flyback | i'll curse them in another channel |
| 23:14.46 | prpplague | flyback hc is probably fine |
| 23:15.02 | flyback | hmm |
| 23:15.10 | flyback | mabye I will try to wire up this lcd tonight then |
| 23:16.53 | prpplague | flyback what lcd ? |
| 23:17.32 | flyback | sony ericcson |
| 23:17.40 | flyback | t300 but suspect it's the same as the t68 |
| 23:17.54 | flyback | vio/vcc is 3.2 |
| 23:17.59 | flyback | so I suspect all the signals would be also |
| 23:18.07 | flyback | sdata and sclck pins |
| 23:19.57 | flyback | whatever that means :P |
| 23:41.15 | ds2 | for 5V, nonproduction use, TTL and CMOS are mostly interchangeable |
| 23:41.37 | ds2 | nice thing about TTL inputs is they are mostly 3.3V CMOS compatable ;) |
| 23:42.06 | cajaka | Thid is a test |