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| 02:22.19 | malkav_ | howdy again, i am now taking apart my new VTech Language Lab Toy Laptop i got for 19.95 at radioshack on sale |
| 02:22.56 | malkav_ | it opens all phillips head, apparently nobody cared about keeping the insides from being opened |
| 02:23.30 | malkav_ | http://radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2863468&cp=2032062.2032394&parentPage=family |
| 02:24.02 | malkav_ | the external mouse uses a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a ps/2 as i originally thought |
| 02:25.01 | malkav_ | takes 3 AA batteries which are included and installed already |
| 02:26.27 | malkav_ | I'm not sure what type of memory these data carteridges are but they look like some sort of camera storage does anybody have pictures i can compare types of camera memory to these pins |
| 02:27.36 | malkav_ | id post a picture but my digital camera is in the shop on warranty :P |
| 02:30.28 | malkav_ | desoldering battery housing for better access... |
| 02:31.46 | malkav_ | i wonder if you all are actually interested. i'll blog at you anyway. |
| 02:33.21 | malkav_ | the circuit boards all have the logo ZD imprinted on a repeating pattern |
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| 02:34.15 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:34.20 | malkav_ | k, the keyboard looks no different from any other laptop keyboard on the inside |
| 02:36.31 | malkav_ | here's 2 numbers on a small 15 cm2 board that directly feeds from the battery and has the LAN connection for the mouse and the DC jack connected |
| 02:36.55 | malkav_ | 706530-6 35*65000-102-101 |
| 02:37.29 | malkav_ | prpplague hi im disassembling the vtech language laptop which i got at radio shack for basically nothing on a huge clearance |
| 02:37.37 | malkav_ | http://radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2863468&cp=2032062.2032394&parentPage=family |
| 02:38.17 | malkav_ | im blogging to here each step both because nobodys told me to shut up and because ill take these notes and use them later. |
| 02:38.50 | malkav_ | speaker is a 8 ohm 0.5 watt |
| 02:39.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:39.27 | prpplague | yea i've got a few of those |
| 02:39.34 | malkav_ | removing data slot |
| 02:39.46 | malkav_ | prpplague have any idea what these game carteridges are? |
| 02:39.58 | malkav_ | i don't know my camera memory types |
| 02:40.01 | malkav_ | it looks camera |
| 02:40.20 | prpplague | malkav_ if its the standard vtech cartridge, its not an actual memory device |
| 02:40.33 | malkav_ | is it an eeprom of some sort |
| 02:40.36 | prpplague | malkav_ simply a pcb with several pins shorted |
| 02:40.42 | malkav_ | oh |
| 02:40.57 | prpplague | the short pins tell the device which games to execute |
| 02:41.29 | prpplague | the info i'm interested in for that device is the lcd connectivity |
| 02:41.41 | malkav_ | im not quite there yet hang on hehe |
| 02:41.45 | prpplague | malkav_ does that one have the pcb for the cpu bonded to the lcd? |
| 02:41.59 | malkav_ | im not to the system board but almost there |
| 02:42.02 | prpplague | malkav_ or does the lcd connect to a seperate cpu board |
| 02:42.06 | prpplague | malkav_ ahh ok |
| 02:42.35 | malkav_ | pcb for vtech carteridge connector is 6500-006-101 706537-2 |
| 02:42.55 | prpplague | yea that really doesn't provide much info |
| 02:43.27 | prpplague | malkav_ gonna post pics of the inside? |
| 02:43.39 | malkav_ | yes i intend to |
| 02:43.43 | malkav_ | gonna have a site up. |
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| 02:43.48 | prpplague | that model run on 2 or 4 AA's? |
| 02:43.57 | prpplague | malkav_ just post on elinux.org , thats what its there for |
| 02:44.20 | malkav_ | do you already know the processor specs on this thing |
| 02:44.54 | prpplague | malkav_ all of the ones i've looked at appear to be either 8051 or z80 based |
| 02:45.06 | prpplague | malkav_ albiet newier chipsets with lcd controllers |
| 02:45.43 | malkav_ | well crud, the system board apparently is in the LCD side of the unit not the keyboard side as one might expect |
| 02:46.18 | prpplague | malkav_ yea, i suspect you will find that the lcd is bonded to the cpu board |
| 02:46.36 | prpplague | malkav_ or atleast alot of the vtech models are done that way |
| 02:46.48 | prpplague | malkav_ be pretty interesting to find out |
| 02:46.57 | prpplague | that model run on 2 or 4 AA's? |
| 02:47.01 | malkav_ | 3 |
| 02:47.07 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:47.21 | prpplague | 4 is better, but 3 would do |
| 02:47.31 | prpplague | have to get some high mAh bats |
| 02:47.33 | malkav_ | 4.5 volt |
| 02:47.48 | prpplague | 1.2 x 3 for rechargables |
| 02:48.33 | malkav_ | im just reading the batteries themselves |
| 02:48.39 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:48.50 | prpplague | malkav_ how much did you pic it up for? |
| 02:49.41 | malkav_ | 19.95! |
| 02:50.03 | prpplague | nice, its hard for me to go to the ray shack these days |
| 02:50.03 | malkav_ | big sale at radio shack |
| 02:50.08 | prpplague | but thats a good deal |
| 02:50.27 | malkav_ | they had lots of stuff dirt cheap |
| 02:50.36 | malkav_ | i was thinking about getting the Bratz! drum kit too |
| 02:50.50 | prpplague | thats because people aren't shopping there these days |
| 02:50.59 | malkav_ | its a drum kit for girls, i'd rip it up and put photo diodes on it |
| 02:51.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:51.15 | malkav_ | turn it into a light activated alarm |
| 02:51.16 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:52.04 | malkav_ | fun times |
| 02:53.10 | prpplague | malkav_ i mainly do it to study other peoples work |
| 02:53.21 | prpplague | malkav_ so my production devices are better |
| 02:53.22 | malkav_ | cool |
| 02:53.41 | malkav_ | well i think i found the security device, the covers on the screws are glued on |
| 02:53.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:54.05 | prpplague | usually have to pry those out |
| 02:54.09 | malkav_ | xacto to the res-q |
| 02:54.46 | prpplague | yea, i usually drill a small hole in the center, and then use a screw to pull it out |
| 02:56.02 | malkav_ | the cat5 cable powering the mouse is whats drawn my attention the most |
| 02:56.22 | Mirell | I still remember 5/32" drill bit was what I used to drill out the bolt/screw on street signs... |
| 02:56.38 | Mirell | Oh, mispent youth. |
| 02:58.28 | malkav_ | i think you might be sadly correct on the screw covers here |
| 02:58.42 | malkav_ | that or soldering iron and make a big stink |
| 03:01.25 | malkav_ | prpplague im going to give the iron a try first |
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| 03:04.45 | prpplague | malkav_ well let me when you get inside |
| 03:04.53 | prpplague | malkav_ love to know if its a bonded lcd |
| 03:05.16 | malkav_ | k |
| 03:08.25 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 03:08.52 | malkav_ | im cleaning off my soldering iron first |
| 03:09.06 | prpplague | malkav_ http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2449554 |
| 03:09.07 | malkav_ | it got sloppy |
| 03:09.16 | prpplague | malkav_ that was my last hack |
| 03:09.27 | prpplague | malkav_ replace the cpu with a s3c2410 based board |
| 03:09.38 | prpplague | malkav_ has a nice color tft display |
| 03:09.38 | malkav_ | so its color? |
| 03:09.48 | malkav_ | oh cool touch too? |
| 03:09.49 | prpplague | yes 320x240 |
| 03:09.54 | prpplague | no no touch |
| 03:09.56 | malkav_ | o |
| 03:10.00 | malkav_ | still cool |
| 03:10.57 | prpplague | the oregon scientific darth vador one is pretty sweet too |
| 03:11.26 | prpplague | http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2647159 |
| 03:11.35 | prpplague | the lcd in that is pretty sweet |
| 03:11.43 | malkav_ | soldering iron was a good choice prpplague |
| 03:11.57 | prpplague | ahh i'll make a nore |
| 03:11.58 | prpplague | note |
| 03:12.00 | malkav_ | i literally just scoop pastic goo out of it |
| 03:13.25 | malkav_ | yes that came out very neatly |
| 03:13.43 | malkav_ | 2 more |
| 03:14.31 | malkav_ | on the second one i sort of bayonetted the plastic cover and yanked it out with the iron tip |
| 03:15.00 | prpplague | nice |
| 03:20.46 | prpplague | is it open yet? is it open yet? is it open yet? |
| 03:21.41 | malkav_ | trying to get it open |
| 03:21.45 | malkav_ | all screws are off |
| 03:22.58 | prpplague | dremel baby |
| 03:23.08 | malkav_ | im wondering if this thing is glued all the way around |
| 03:24.34 | malkav_ | trying not to destroy the case... :/ |
| 03:25.02 | prpplague | malkav_ usually it has some hook and latch pieces |
| 03:25.25 | prpplague | malkav_ don't forget, there are probably some screws behind the label around the lcd |
| 03:25.41 | malkav_ | k |
| 03:26.08 | malkav_ | its behind the label. |
| 03:26.11 | malkav_ | thats where they are. |
| 03:26.48 | malkav_ | gingerly peeling back label |
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| 03:32.26 | malkav_ | open! |
| 03:32.35 | prpplague | malkav_ hehe i always just printed something to glue back |
| 03:32.39 | prpplague | malkav_ lovely |
| 03:33.15 | malkav_ | main PCB 706666-3 35-65000-1120203 |
| 03:33.37 | malkav_ | the LCD appears to be attached but i have not actually seen it to be certain... removing |
| 03:36.10 | malkav_ | it's a soldered on deal prpplague |
| 03:36.27 | flyback | oh btw major CANUCKINGS goes to all the cowards in pakistan that hid behind a gun and a bomb |
| 03:37.25 | malkav_ | yeah and fuck Ron Paul for his comments |
| 03:37.51 | malkav_ | i hate that guy, a lot |
| 03:38.05 | malkav_ | well actually prpplague the lcd is removeable |
| 03:38.24 | malkav_ | but the pins are directly on the lcd there is no input wire |
| 03:38.52 | malkav_ | lcd is part 43-00503-000-000 |
| 03:40.35 | prpplague | malkav_ hey now, we don't allow that kind of language here |
| 03:40.42 | prpplague | malkav_ key it down |
| 03:41.01 | malkav_ | k |
| 03:41.15 | malkav_ | the IC's are glued over, cant see what they are |
| 03:41.23 | prpplague | flyback and i'm not going to warn you again about using that word |
| 03:41.50 | prpplague | malkav_ so is there a pcb on the lcd? |
| 03:41.59 | prpplague | malkav_ or is the pcb also the cpu board? |
| 03:41.59 | malkav_ | there is not. |
| 03:42.08 | prpplague | yea thats what i figured |
| 03:42.09 | malkav_ | the pcb is also the cpu board |
| 03:42.24 | prpplague | thats pretty standard |
| 03:42.33 | malkav_ | the lcd came off effortlessly and it will be a pain in the... 'butt' to align it on again |
| 03:42.46 | prpplague | malkav_ it will never work again, hehe |
| 03:42.49 | malkav_ | lol |
| 03:45.14 | malkav_ | whatever i bet i can get it back right |
| 03:48.48 | ds2 | wow 1" drives are as slow as CF microdrives :( |
| 03:49.44 | Mirell | ds2: CF drives can be really fast. |
| 03:55.10 | malkav_ | prpplague it has a bead on one side of the glass so you dont put the lcd in upside down, which is good because its symmetrical in every way |
| 03:56.33 | malkav_ | i can definitely see that a great deal of this was done by hand |
| 03:56.56 | malkav_ | masking tape holds some of the wires |
| 03:57.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:58.07 | malkav_ | we really need to stop this importing stuff from china garbage |
| 04:01.11 | Mirell | Damn Chinese. |
| 04:06.35 | malkav_ | prpplague are there exisiting pages on hacking devices like this |
| 04:06.46 | malkav_ | i googled, no luck |
| 04:09.30 | malkav_ | one thing i would probably do if I were designing this would be putting the carteridge slot in the top half of the "laptop" rather than in the bottom. The extra wire is very unnecessary it just makes the carteridge look sort of like a PCMCIA device on a real laptop |
| 04:09.55 | malkav_ | the bus for the card is reeeally simple |
| 04:09.58 | ds2 | Mirell: oh? know which ones? |
| 04:13.10 | malkav_ | prpplague so is this a z80 or not |
| 04:14.21 | malkav_ | i know 80386 and MIPS assembly language, however apparently if this is a z80 there's even c compilers for it |
| 04:15.27 | malkav_ | i take that back i read that wrong |
| 04:15.44 | malkav_ | welp another asm to learn |
| 04:26.16 | prpplague | malkav_ no there are no hacking pages currently as there is little hack value in the existing pcb |
| 04:26.38 | prpplague | malkav_ all of my hacks revolve around basically just using the plastic casing |
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| 07:10.01 | malkav_ | lol despite prpplague's predictions, i got it working again |
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| 15:18.25 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 18:08.20 | prpplague | ho diddy ho ho |
| 18:09.38 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 18:10.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work greetings my fine french canadian friend |
| 18:10.14 | prpplague | chouimat|work whats cookin? |
| 18:10.38 | chouimat|work | prpplague: nothing back to work ... plan to watch a lot of movies over the next 4 days |
| 18:11.23 | prpplague | chouimat|work: let me guess "lord of the g-strings" and similar movies? |
| 18:11.48 | Tokemi | haha |
| 18:13.07 | chouimat|work | prpplague: V for vendetta, 300, borat, dune (1984) etc etc ... |
| 18:13.20 | chouimat|work | oh I forgot I scored a soccer mom 4 |
| 18:14.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:14.26 | prpplague | chouimat|work nice selections |
| 18:15.04 | prpplague | chouimat|work i hope you have the extended edition of dune |
| 18:15.26 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I don't know |
| 18:15.52 | prpplague | chouimat|work i read all the books when i was about 12/13 years old |
| 18:16.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work mind warping stuff |
| 18:16.34 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I finished the 14th of the series a few weeks ago (less than a month) |
| 18:16.54 | prpplague | chouimat|work ahh so you're familar with the books then |
| 18:17.18 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I think so this computer is named sheeana :) |
| 18:17.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:18.00 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I will also watch this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0922366/ |
| 18:21.35 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:22.50 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's funny ... because the prince is doing snow white, sleeping beauty and cendrillon ... imagine when they discover it :) |
| 18:25.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:26.07 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and snow white still believe that baby are made by french kissing ... and the dwarves are a bunch of perverts :) |
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| 19:01.25 | ds2 | anyone know if uboot supports downloading uImage files over the serial port with kermit or xmodem? |
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| 20:08.17 | coreyfro | I am finding that the #elinux channel is painfully silent. I have a fairly basic buildroot question I'm not finding an answer for.rn |
| 20:08.22 | coreyfro | I have a custom kernel that I have downloaded from the vendor of my ARM Single Board Computer (sadly, not a patch) and though I have tricked Buildroot to use it as my kernel source and as my header source, I don't know how to tell buildroot to use my kernel's default module path (/lib/modules/2.6.21-ts)rn |
| 20:08.27 | coreyfro | Is there a way to do this? Or, is there a better way to use a custom kernel?rn |
| 20:08.31 | coreyfro | This is not the first bug I have encountered in this attempt, but this is the first that has stumped mern |
| 20:08.39 | coreyfro | I e-mailed the list but I have not recieved any repliesrn |
| 20:08.52 | coreyfro | http://buildroot.uclibc.org/lists/buildroot/2007-December/006658.html |
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| 23:25.53 | flyback | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=88201 |
| 23:29.59 | SpeedEvil | Considering going into porn? |
| 23:37.15 | coreyfro | Been there, done that, got the clap^H^H^H^H^H teashirt |
| 23:46.47 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 23:48.45 | coreyfro | so, like, how do I get Buildroot to put my modules where I want them? I want them in ./root/lib/modules/2.6.21-ts, it puts them in ./root/lib/modules/2.6.21.7 |
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