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| 00:39.47 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:40.23 | RobotGuy | zippity do dah |
| 00:40.50 | landley | Above I said: |
| 00:41.05 | landley | [17:22] <landley> prpplague: I might add subdirectories to the config. Haven't decided yet. |
| 00:41.06 | landley | [17:22] <landley> I'm unlikely to add subdirectories to the "toys" directory. Not leaning that way at present, anyway. |
| 00:41.17 | landley | [17:22] <landley> It's a fairly straightforward "one .c file per command". Anything shared between two commands goes in lib. |
| 00:41.17 | landley | [17:23] <landley> Yeah, I need to clean up e2fs.h. :) |
| 00:41.24 | landley | And then you wandered off. |
| 00:41.28 | landley | Now, I wander off dinnerwards. |
| 00:41.40 | landley | Ciao. (Purina cat ciao, possibly.) |
| 00:42.07 | landley | P.S. My main reason for not wanting to add subdirectories to toys is that "/bin" doesn't need subdirectories. |
| 00:42.13 | RobotGuy | My cat was stalking my RoboQuad earlier. |
| 00:42.31 | RobotGuy | landley, What are these "toys" ? |
| 00:42.33 | landley | I've had to get _two_new_ones_. |
| 00:42.39 | landley | RobotGuy: http://landley.net/code/toybox |
| 00:42.52 | landley | What I started working on after Bruce Perens made me allergic to busybox. |
| 00:42.58 | landley | And I am late for dinner. |
| 00:43.04 | landley | Back on tonight... |
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| 00:45.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Why don't you just go get a new router? |
| 00:45.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i will, just too lazy to do it today |
| 00:46.15 | Mirell | That requires...moving. |
| 00:46.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I would have been gone to get it, get back, install, way before now. :D |
| 00:46.23 | RobotGuy | Mirell, Hello |
| 00:46.26 | Mirell | RobotGuy: 'allo |
| 00:46.55 | RobotGuy | I switched back to Linux so I can work more on Hammer after I calm down. |
| 00:47.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 00:47.27 | RobotGuy | I got frustrated trying to get the servos into the brackets for the BRAT I am building. |
| 00:48.13 | RobotGuy | I need to come up with a brand new build procedure because the hardware has changed. |
| 00:49.09 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 00:49.15 | prpplague | Mirell: whats cookin this evening? |
| 00:49.25 | prpplague | Mirell: ready for a case of the "Mondays" ? |
| 00:49.34 | Mirell | prpplague: Generally good weekend, not wanting to go to work. |
| 00:49.36 | Mirell | Yep. |
| 00:49.44 | Mirell | Also realized I need to buy a real bed. |
| 00:49.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:50.10 | prpplague | Mirell: got decent credit? |
| 00:50.22 | Mirell | prpplague: I have *ridiculous* credit |
| 00:50.23 | prpplague | Mirell: if so, matress firm has pretty good deals |
| 00:50.48 | Mirell | I have $15K worth of available credit card credit, and I've probably only earned $6-8K in my entire life so far. |
| 00:51.06 | Mirell | Admittedly, that's changing now with a real job, but still! |
| 00:51.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:51.24 | prpplague | http://www.mattressfirm.com/storeLocator.aspx |
| 00:51.32 | prpplague | they also have some close out stores |
| 00:51.39 | prpplague | i.e. last years models |
| 00:51.52 | prpplague | Mirell: my ex-wife destroyed my credit |
| 00:51.56 | prpplague | Mirell: still recovering |
| 00:52.02 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 00:52.22 | Mirell | Although really, I don't want to buy anything on credit anymore. |
| 00:52.30 | Mirell | I want to pay off all my debts, |
| 00:52.50 | Mirell | And the only things that I'd allow me to incur debt, is car payment or mortgage. |
| 00:53.09 | Mirell | It's my current two year goal. |
| 00:53.09 | prpplague | Mirell: yea thats the smart thing to do |
| 00:53.25 | Mirell | I'll get everything paid off but school loans by the end of this year, |
| 00:53.26 | prpplague | Mirell: only time it makes sense is if you get 0% interest for 12 months |
| 00:53.35 | Mirell | And all of those by mid next year |
| 00:54.01 | Mirell | prpplague: True, but then that whittles away, and I'll end up buying a new motorcycle on a credit card |
| 00:54.18 | prpplague | Mirell: yea, i'd be good now if it just hadn't been xmas |
| 00:54.54 | prpplague | Mirell: instead 1st of march i'll have just my car and mortgage. with the mortgage i'll be one month ahead |
| 01:00.11 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmm, building a new rootfs does not seem to work for me. |
| 01:02.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I saw your post in PARTS. Interesting. |
| 01:03.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague, One of Robert Sheer's robots is http://www.scheerstuff.net/tarzan/ |
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| 01:15.03 | RobotGuy | He needs to add a top level index page. |
| 01:26.09 | RobotGuy | Here is another one: http://www.scheerstuff.net/conan/ |
| 01:30.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want to use my SSC-32 for this BRAT. |
| 01:31.07 | RobotGuy | I think Hammer on a small biped like the BRAT would have a very high coolness factor. |
| 01:31.27 | RobotGuy | But, W.A.L.T.E.R. must come first for Hammer. |
| 01:32.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Is buildroot going to be different on the new CD image? |
| 02:04.40 | RobotGuy | I am building a brand new buildroot |
| 02:16.57 | cajaka | Maybe.. Maybe not |
| 02:21.18 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmm |
| 02:26.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only with the small tweaks we did the other night |
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| 03:10.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Are you awake??? |
| 03:15.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep |
| 03:15.04 | prpplague | barely |
| 03:15.09 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 03:15.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ah there you are! |
| 03:15.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats up? |
| 03:16.15 | RobotGuy | I can't remember the fix for building binutils in buildroot. I am building a fresh buildroot. |
| 03:16.30 | RobotGuy | I didn't get it written down.\ |
| 03:17.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, you gotta copy that 100-makeinfo patch into the toolchain/binutils/2.17.50.0.17 dir |
| 03:17.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm commit the patch into our repo in the morning |
| 03:18.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Good. Now I just need to find it on the wiki. I remember that file now. |
| 03:19.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software |
| 03:20.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh wait |
| 03:20.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not there |
| 03:20.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://buildroot.busybox.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/trunk/buildroot/toolchain/binutils/2.18/100-makeinfo-version.patch?rev=20086 |
| 03:20.58 | prpplague | i'll put it up on the wiki too |
| 03:21.11 | cajaka | You beat me by .5 seconds |
| 03:21.14 | RobotGuy | Good. It would be easier to find it there. |
| 03:24.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software |
| 03:24.40 | prpplague | updated |
| 03:28.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague, You sure that is the right dir to put it? |
| 03:29.08 | prpplague | landley: yea should be on your box /src/hammer/buildroot/toolchain/binutils/2.17.50.0.17 |
| 03:29.36 | landley | what? |
| 03:29.38 | prpplague | oops |
| 03:29.44 | prpplague | landley: sorry that was for RobotGuy |
| 03:29.57 | prpplague | landley: go back to sleep, hehe |
| 03:30.08 | landley | Saying "it breaks for me" would convey no information, because everything does. |
| 03:30.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea thats the right dir |
| 03:30.15 | landley | But when it breaks, I can't _fix_ it. |
| 03:30.18 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 03:30.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hmmmmm. |
| 03:30.32 | RobotGuy | I do not grok buildroot. |
| 03:30.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats up? |
| 03:30.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 03:30.59 | RobotGuy | Still can't get it to build. I started out with a fresh buildroot from the CD |
| 03:31.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what trouble you having now? |
| 03:31.39 | RobotGuy | binutils |
| 03:31.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: same problem as before? |
| 03:32.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you got the patch copied to the right dir? |
| 03:33.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if so , you need to cd to /src/hammer/buildroot/toolchain_arm/ |
| 03:33.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and remove the binutils dir |
| 03:36.01 | RobotGuy | I think that's the piece I was missing. |
| 03:36.13 | RobotGuy | Yes, the patch is where it is supposed to be |
| 03:36.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea if you've already started the build you have to delete the binutils dir so the patch gets applied |
| 03:37.14 | RobotGuy | It's just confusing. All these different dirs you have to do stuff to. |
| 03:37.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: this isn't normal |
| 03:37.45 | RobotGuy | In other build systems, the patches always are with the package info. |
| 03:37.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we've got some tweaking we have to do for this |
| 03:38.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ah, OK. I hope I am helping rather than causing more problems. |
| 03:38.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: try this |
| 03:38.23 | prpplague | Ro tomorrowbotGuy: yea, i'll post the update one |
| 03:38.46 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, he gave me a new nick.. :P |
| 03:39.00 | prpplague | hehe, touch pad giving me trouble |
| 03:39.25 | RotomorrowbotGuy | Hee hee |
| 03:40.12 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 03:42.16 | prpplague | landley: for toybox are we trying to write as much code from scratch as possible? |
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| 03:45.26 | prpplague | cajaka: hehe |
| 03:46.05 | RobotGuy | If all patches and such were with each package they pertain to, this would be so much easier. |
| 03:46.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: they are, hehe, just have to understand the the structure |
| 03:47.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague, The structure is where I get lost. |
| 03:47.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: buildroot has two sets of directories, first is the source directories, i.e. packages and toolchain |
| 03:47.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the other is build directories |
| 03:48.12 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 03:48.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are building an arm system, you'll get a set of directories such as toolchain_arm |
| 03:48.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: where the source gets built |
| 03:48.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you build mips, you get toolchain_mips |
| 03:49.52 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 03:49.56 | landley | prpplague: it's not a _primary_ goal, but it's likely to be the case anyway. |
| 03:50.06 | landley | For toybox, I'm trying to write the smallest simplest implementations of each command. |
| 03:50.14 | landley | This involves heavily leveraging the shared infrastructure. |
| 03:50.26 | landley | And my shared infrastructure is very different from busybox's. |
| 03:50.48 | landley | Busybox also tried to heavily leverage its shared infrastructure, originally. |
| 03:51.00 | landley | And then all sorts of applets got added that made no use of the shared infrastructure at all. |
| 03:51.05 | landley | Certainly weren't designed with it in mind. |
| 03:51.16 | landley | Generally you could rewrite one of those and get at least a 20% shrink, usually more like 50% (or more). |
| 03:51.43 | prpplague | landley: indeed, as i look over alot of the busybox code i'm seeing alot code that isn't shared and has lots of copyright notices |
| 03:51.43 | landley | But the existence of the "bolted on" applet prevented most people from even looking at doing a better job. |
| 03:51.49 | prpplague | landley: i.e. the env command |
| 03:52.12 | landley | Denis has been doing a decent job, but his focus is more on adding functionality. |
| 03:52.20 | RobotGuy | Is there an alternative way to build software for Hammmer?? |
| 03:52.20 | landley | It's understandable given what busybox _is_ these days. |
| 03:52.37 | landley | When i was maintainer, I was swamped with feature requests. |
| 03:52.44 | landley | RobotGuy: wanna try my firmware linux project? :) |
| 03:52.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: literally hundreds of ways, but buildroot tends to be the easiest at the momment |
| 03:52.58 | landley | The armv4l target should work fine. You'll have to build your own kernel using their .config... |
| 03:53.05 | SpeedEvil | I've wondered idly about rewriting much of the busybox tools in busybox awk |
| 03:53.07 | landley | http://landley.net/code/firmware |
| 03:53.23 | landley | Alas, awk is a language I dont' particularly speak. |
| 03:53.30 | landley | SpeedEvil: you want a small interpreted language, look at LUA. |
| 03:53.44 | landley | I haven't played with it much myself, but it comes highly recommended by several people whose judgement I trust. |
| 03:53.45 | SpeedEvil | I was just picking on awk as it's in there already |
| 03:53.53 | landley | (Such as the tomsrtbt guy who introduced me to busybox in the first place.) |
| 03:54.11 | landley | Might be possible, but I don't do awk. |
| 03:54.22 | landley | I plan to write a good shell so you can do more with shell scripts. Toysh. |
| 03:54.33 | landley | But that turns out to be amazingly time consuming, getting it right, and I've been distracted... |
| 03:54.43 | prpplague | landley: one item that i'd like to see in toybox that always got shot down by the bb guys is a small base converter tool |
| 03:54.44 | landley | (I spent most of a year _researching_ shells before I wrote my first line of code in toysh.) |
| 03:54.54 | landley | prpplague: sure. |
| 03:55.01 | landley | Doesn't printf do that? |
| 03:55.08 | prpplague | landley: i.e. something like bc but only for converting between dec/hex/bin |
| 03:55.24 | landley | Its UI is mysterious and opaque... |
| 03:55.25 | prpplague | landley: to some extent |
| 03:56.52 | RobotGuy | It finished. |
| 03:57.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: buildroot grows on you, its basically what we are support for now |
| 03:57.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we'll be adding fwl support soon as well |
| 03:57.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I am really trying to learn it. |
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| 03:58.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: don't worry, embedded linux dev tends to take some time to get used to |
| 03:58.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I see that now. I am going to get it though. This is extremely important to me. |
| 03:58.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i've been doing it for 10 years and still learn something new every day |
| 04:00.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Well, it sort of worked, but my welcome and prompt did not get set right. |
| 04:00.15 | RobotGuy | No login prompt |
| 04:01.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague, All I did was change the welcome banner, project name, and hostname |
| 04:01.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats odd, can you email me a copy of your rootfs image? |
| 04:03.08 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 04:03.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 04:04.19 | Mirell | Part of me told myself I wasn't going to buy anymore DVDs, solely Blu-Ray now. |
| 04:04.26 | Mirell | But I couldn't resist the 4-pack DVD collection of the Tremors movies for $10 |
| 04:05.09 | prpplague | Mirell: oh good by |
| 04:05.20 | Mirell | Tremors: Dune for Rednecks. |
| 04:05.36 | prpplague | Mirell: i just can't see myself buying blu-ray discs yet |
| 04:05.40 | prpplague | Mirell: HA |
| 04:05.47 | prpplague | Mirell: never heard that before |
| 04:06.06 | flyback- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90DptQxHBUQ&feature=related# |
| 04:06.29 | joe_bleau | Tremors is ok, but it's no Dune! |
| 04:06.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Sent |
| 04:07.07 | Mirell | prpplague: It was first said by a Miller. |
| 04:09.38 | prpplague | hmm some of the dirs didn't get populated properly |
| 04:09.42 | prpplague | looks |
| 04:10.06 | RobotGuy | The hostname and welcome message (/etc/issue) did get set right |
| 04:10.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, but several other things didn't |
| 04:10.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hmmmm, is it something I did or didn't do? |
| 04:11.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no i suspect there is a bug with the clean function for populating the root |
| 04:11.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hmmm, OK. |
| 04:12.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: under project_arm, what do you have there? |
| 04:12.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sorry, project_build_arm |
| 04:13.17 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 31 linuxguy staff 1536 2008-01-06 19:53 busybox-1.6.1 |
| 04:13.17 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 12 linuxguy staff 312 2008-01-06 19:54 root |
| 04:13.17 | RobotGuy | [root@intrepid WALTER]# |
| 04:13.56 | RobotGuy | Well, that's actually the project I created for WALTER |
| 04:14.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, |
| 04:14.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: cd to root |
| 04:14.28 | RobotGuy | root of buildroot? |
| 04:14.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should have a etc dir there |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 2 linuxguy staff 1920 2008-01-06 19:54 bin |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 6 linuxguy staff 2552 2008-01-06 19:54 dev |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 3 linuxguy staff 152 2008-01-06 19:54 etc |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | drwxrwxrwx 3 linuxguy staff 72 2008-01-06 19:54 home |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 2 linuxguy staff 800 2008-01-06 19:54 lib |
| 04:14.47 | RobotGuy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 linuxguy staff 11 2008-01-06 19:53 linuxrc -> bin/busybox |
| 04:14.49 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 3 linuxguy staff 72 2008-01-06 19:54 mnt |
| 04:14.51 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 2 linuxguy staff 1008 2008-01-06 19:54 sbin |
| 04:14.53 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 2 linuxguy staff 48 2008-01-06 19:54 sys |
| 04:14.55 | RobotGuy | drwxrwxrwt 2 linuxguy staff 48 2008-01-06 19:54 tmp |
| 04:14.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 04:14.57 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 4 linuxguy staff 96 2008-01-06 19:53 usr |
| 04:15.01 | RobotGuy | [root@intrepid root]# |
| 04:15.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, cd to etc |
| 04:15.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats in there? |
| 04:15.32 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 linuxguy staff 7 2008-01-06 19:34 hostname |
| 04:15.32 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 linuxguy staff 52 2008-01-06 19:34 issue |
| 04:15.32 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 linuxguy staff 526 2008-01-06 19:54 ld.so.cache |
| 04:15.32 | RobotGuy | drwxrwxrwx 6 linuxguy staff 168 2008-01-06 19:54 network |
| 04:15.32 | RobotGuy | [root@intrepid etc]# |
| 04:15.42 | prpplague | yea, there is the issue |
| 04:16.01 | prpplague | cd back up and remove that root dir |
| 04:16.11 | prpplague | then do a make again |
| 04:16.19 | prpplague | then recheck that etc dir |
| 04:16.26 | RobotGuy | The root in the WALTER project? |
| 04:16.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:16.33 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 04:16.48 | RobotGuy | Done |
| 04:17.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok whats in the etc dir now? |
| 04:17.30 | RobotGuy | I just nuked root, so nothing. |
| 04:17.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh ok, back up to the buildroot dir and do a make |
| 04:18.09 | RobotGuy | Working |
| 04:18.49 | RobotGuy | Done |
| 04:19.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok cd back to the etc dir and see whats there |
| 04:19.15 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7 2008-01-06 20:17 hostname |
| 04:19.16 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52 2008-01-06 20:17 issue |
| 04:19.16 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 2008-01-06 20:17 ld.so.cache |
| 04:19.16 | RobotGuy | drwxrwxrwx 6 root root 168 2008-01-06 20:17 network |
| 04:19.16 | RobotGuy | [root@intrepid etc]# |
| 04:19.44 | prpplague | hmm something definetly broken |
| 04:19.45 | RobotGuy | Shouldn't there be more there? |
| 04:19.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:20.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Remember, this is off the broken CD.. |
| 04:21.13 | RobotGuy | Any way I can dl an image of the current CD as it should be sent? |
| 04:21.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh, shoot, silly me, when you removed the root dir, you need to remove the stamp as well |
| 04:21.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: cd back to project_build_arm/walter |
| 04:21.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i'll post the stuff tomorrow from the office |
| 04:22.16 | RobotGuy | Ok |
| 04:22.29 | RobotGuy | What stamp? |
| 04:22.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: go ahead and remove that root dir again |
| 04:22.46 | RobotGuy | Done |
| 04:22.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: buildroot keeps track of what items have been completed by making a "stamp" |
| 04:23.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do this: ls -al |
| 04:23.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, OK |
| 04:23.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you should see .root |
| 04:23.29 | RobotGuy | I see it. Nuke? |
| 04:23.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep |
| 04:23.53 | prpplague | then try to do a make again |
| 04:23.55 | RobotGuy | Back to buildroot and make |
| 04:24.03 | prpplague | yep |
| 04:24.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: most of your problems are related to fedora8 |
| 04:24.40 | RobotGuy | rw-r--r-- 1 root root 107 2007-08-21 03:15 group |
| 04:24.40 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7 2008-01-06 20:23 hostname |
| 04:24.40 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20 2007-08-21 03:15 hosts |
| 04:24.40 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 72 2008-01-06 20:23 init.d |
| 04:24.40 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1571 2007-11-01 14:26 inittab |
| 04:24.41 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1180 2007-08-21 03:15 inputrc |
| 04:24.43 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 52 2008-01-06 20:23 issue |
| 04:24.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll have the kinks worked out pretty quick though |
| 04:24.45 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 440 2008-01-06 20:23 ld.so.cache |
| 04:24.47 | RobotGuy | drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 200 2008-01-06 20:23 network |
| 04:24.49 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 489 2007-08-21 03:15 passwd |
| 04:24.51 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1702 2007-08-21 03:15 profile |
| 04:24.52 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:24.53 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1191 2007-08-21 03:15 protocols |
| 04:24.55 | prpplague | good deal |
| 04:24.55 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 88 2007-08-21 20:55 securetty |
| 04:24.57 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10873 2007-08-21 03:15 services |
| 04:25.01 | RobotGuy | -rw------- 1 root root 321 2007-08-21 03:15 shadow |
| 04:25.03 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8 2007-08-21 03:15 TZ |
| 04:25.06 | RobotGuy | [root@intrepid etc]# |
| 04:25.08 | RobotGuy | You want to test against FC8 though, right? |
| 04:25.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: indeed |
| 04:25.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: your image should work this time |
| 04:26.42 | RobotGuy | OK, great. I am only staying with FC8 if it helps you. |
| 04:26.55 | prpplague | yep |
| 04:27.22 | RobotGuy | OK, then I won't reinstall Linux for awhile. :D FC8 stays as long as it helps you. |
| 04:27.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 04:28.16 | RobotGuy | Even though I despise RPM managed distros. :D:D |
| 04:29.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea rpm isn't the gem in fedora's crown |
| 04:29.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague, No response from Hammer. |
| 04:29.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ? |
| 04:29.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did it boot? |
| 04:30.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Doesn't look like it booted |
| 04:30.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i suspect there is a bug related to the clean build under F8 |
| 04:30.46 | RobotGuy | You want the rootfs again? |
| 04:30.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes please |
| 04:31.00 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 04:32.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Sent |
| 04:35.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, looks like a couple of libs didn't get populated |
| 04:35.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, i'll have to look at this in the morning |
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| 04:36.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK. I will let it go for now then. |
| 04:36.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i suspect one of the clean scripts is failing |
| 04:36.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: fairly common when going between new version of utils where a different command line option is added or removed |
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| 04:37.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ah, OK. Well, it will get fixed and all will be well. |
| 04:37.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i'll get it posted in the morning |
| 04:38.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague, No problem. Now I just have to figure out how to keep busy the rest of the night. |
| 04:38.53 | RobotGuy | I have a doctor appointment in the morning and have to leave around 8:30AM. |
| 04:40.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you using the openocd script to reflash the kernel and rootfs? |
| 04:40.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or are you uploading via the apex bootloader? |
| 04:40.26 | RobotGuy | I wish I could get something going where I could work from home. It would be nice to get off disability, but I am not sure I could handle a regular work thing. |
| 04:40.32 | RobotGuy | openocd |
| 04:40.41 | wmat | prpplague: what's going on, I've never seen you online so much? |
| 04:40.55 | RobotGuy | It's the weekend. |
| 04:40.58 | prpplague | wmat: hehe |
| 04:41.47 | prpplague | wmat: funny, i used to stay online 24x7 but since all the move and stuff, i've had so many other things to do getting organized |
| 04:42.05 | prpplague | wmat: now that things are settling down i can do it again |
| 04:42.17 | wmat | prpplague: no response from movial yet, i'm a little worried |
| 04:42.31 | prpplague | wmat: yea, got me worried as well |
| 04:42.39 | prpplague | wmat: i'd hate to loose all that wiki work |
| 04:43.55 | wmat | prpplague: nah, i'll get it from them eventually. I was just hoping to get it by wednesday |
| 04:44.08 | RobotGuy | I just got to see my Hammer boot completely for the first time. :) |
| 04:44.17 | wmat | prpplague: i'm leaing for florida next sunday and was hoping to have the wiki moved by then |
| 04:44.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 04:44.42 | prpplague | wmat: well keep me updated |
| 04:44.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Bet ya can't guess it's new hostname when I get a rootfs built.. |
| 04:44.56 | wmat | prpplague: will do |
| 04:45.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe walter? |
| 04:45.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Yes, of course. :D |
| 04:45.15 | prpplague | later folks |
| 04:45.16 | RobotGuy | G'Night |
| 04:45.45 | RobotGuy | I might go work on my websites. |
| 04:45.55 | RobotGuy | I installed tikiwiki on one of them. |
| 05:13.59 | flyback- | http://deesinbox.com/2007/12/15/the-kittens/ |
| 05:21.27 | RobotGuy | G'Night |
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| 14:23.37 | prpplague | hapchap: get back to work slave |
| 14:25.45 | hapchap | prpplague: yes sir |
| 14:26.15 | prpplague | hapchap: try your beer? |
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| 14:29.03 | hapchap | prpplague: loved it |
| 14:29.07 | hapchap | prpplague: thanks again |
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| 14:37.20 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:37.56 | cbrake_away | prpplague: heh, just got a 8385 device to show up as eth1 on my PXA270 board with 2.6.24-rc5 :-) |
| 14:38.56 | cbrake | prpplague: no go with 2.6.24-rc6 on the at91sam9260 though |
| 14:39.39 | prpplague | cbrake: using the stock libertas driver? |
| 14:39.59 | cbrake | prpplague: yup, the stuff in Linus' tree |
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| 14:57.37 | prpplague | cbrake: good deal |
| 14:58.04 | prpplague | cbrake: one part of the stock libertas driver i need to test is the roaming |
| 14:58.27 | cbrake | prpplague: so it must work pretty well otherwise? |
| 14:58.48 | prpplague | cbrake: yea we are still using the marvell reference driver |
| 14:59.05 | prpplague | cbrake: atleast for another couple of months |
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| 15:18.17 | Mirell | Aiee. |
| 15:18.26 | Mirell | They use Visual Basic for some things here. |
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| 15:38.55 | Mirell | 'allo RobotGuy |
| 15:41.22 | RobotGuy | Mirell, Hello! |
| 15:42.57 | RobotGuy | I am building Squeak (Smalltalk) now. |
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| 15:44.23 | dbtid | hello, is anyone here using the marvell pxa320? |
| 15:44.41 | RobotGuy | I use Hammer. |
| 15:45.57 | RobotGuy | dbtid, Are you familiar with Hammer? |
| 15:45.57 | dbtid | sorry; i don't know what Hammer is. |
| 15:45.57 | dbtid | no i don't think so |
| 15:45.57 | dbtid | what's Hammer? |
| 15:45.57 | RobotGuy | www.tincantools.com |
| 15:46.16 | RobotGuy | It's an ARM9 MCU in a 40 pin DIP that runs full Linux. It has 32 MB RAM and 16 MB Flash. |
| 15:46.37 | RobotGuy | It's a full Linux system in a 40 pin DIP! |
| 15:46.42 | dbtid | that's great |
| 15:46.44 | RobotGuy | It's amazing. |
| 15:46.46 | dbtid | it's not what i need though |
| 15:46.57 | RobotGuy | What are you doing? |
| 15:46.58 | dbtid | i need something in about the 1000 MIPS range |
| 15:47.12 | RobotGuy | What kind of project are you working on? |
| 15:47.21 | dbtid | i really can't give any details out right now. |
| 15:47.25 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 15:47.30 | dbtid | i'm looking for generic information on the PXA320. |
| 15:47.35 | dbtid | i'm told it has no external interrupt pin. |
| 15:47.37 | dbtid | that seems odd. |
| 15:48.22 | RobotGuy | Yes, it would be odd to not have any external interrupt sources. |
| 15:48.36 | RobotGuy | Have you checked the datasheet? |
| 15:50.08 | dbtid | no, i haven't waded through it yet; that information came from our hardware designer. |
| 15:50.13 | dbtid | i'm looking for other input. |
| 15:50.32 | dbtid | i've got about 10 things on my plate today, and it's easier to ask in cases like this than to wade. |
| 15:50.47 | RobotGuy | Reading datasheets is very important when working with embedded computing. |
| 15:50.48 | dbtid | plus i wanted to get an idea of what it's linux performance was like in communications applications. |
| 15:51.01 | dbtid | yeah, thanks, i've been doing this 20 years. |
| 15:51.13 | dbtid | this isn't my first embedded system. |
| 15:51.16 | dbtid | more like my 15th. |
| 15:51.53 | dbtid | but i don't have a lot of time at the moment to wade through tons of docs to figure out what the real answer is. |
| 15:52.02 | RobotGuy | The first thing I do when I am considering an MCU is to read the datasheet. |
| 15:53.00 | dbtid | sigh |
| 15:53.11 | SpeedEvil | The first thing I do is to look at the price :) |
| 15:53.15 | dbtid | heh |
| 15:53.25 | dbtid | well, price isn't too much an object in this case at this point |
| 15:53.31 | dbtid | we're still doing certain marketing tasks too |
| 15:53.35 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, up to 800Mhz. |
| 15:53.47 | dbtid | but the 320 has been suggested to us as having application in this arena. |
| 15:53.58 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts that it has no inputs. |
| 15:54.00 | dbtid | but the 320 has about 6 or so heavy documents on its hardware use. |
| 15:54.05 | dbtid | SpeedEvil: i doubt the same thing |
| 15:54.45 | RobotGuy | dbtid, Do you just need to know about external interrupts? |
| 15:55.13 | dbtid | no, he had a whole list; i'm also interested in memory bus performance. |
| 15:55.33 | dbtid | i want to know what experience people have had with the chip on the whole |
| 15:55.54 | RobotGuy | Ah. OK. |
| 15:56.43 | SpeedEvil | It's got uarts, for example, which would be bloody odd if they couldn't be used to interrupt the CPU |
| 15:56.54 | SpeedEvil | the'real' datasheet seems unavailbal |
| 15:57.26 | dbtid | you have to get it from marvell, which means you have to sign up for it |
| 15:57.29 | SpeedEvil | dbtid: broadly - in here at any time you get maybe at most 2-3 people with a moderate level of clue who will actually speak. |
| 15:57.45 | dbtid | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 15:57.56 | SpeedEvil | The chance of any 2-3 random designers having used a particular chip is almost zero unless it's a _really_ common one. |
| 15:58.04 | SpeedEvil | is this a new chip? |
| 15:58.16 | dbtid | sort of new, yes |
| 15:58.41 | SpeedEvil | As to no external interrupts, I'd be willing to take a $10 bet on that being false. |
| 15:59.23 | SpeedEvil | There are on the short form datasheet listed peripherals that must provide interrupt sources, and GPIO. |
| 15:59.39 | dbtid | i'd bet about the same |
| 15:59.43 | dbtid | all right, time to dig through it |
| 15:59.47 | dbtid | sometimes he misses things |
| 16:00.11 | SpeedEvil | Also for some of the GPIO not to be enableable as nterrupt sources is very odd - unless it's an 8 bit or under processor, some of which don't do interrupts |
| 16:00.32 | dbtid | yeah |
| 16:00.40 | SpeedEvil | just search for external interrupt in the datasheet if you have it |
| 16:00.44 | dbtid | no, this i sa big time 1000 MIPs chip |
| 16:00.49 | SpeedEvil | most of the time that'll hit |
| 16:00.49 | dbtid | meant to go in all kinds of applications |
| 16:00.59 | dbtid | i've got tons of data sheets |
| 16:01.03 | dbtid | that is part of the problem |
| 16:01.21 | SpeedEvil | you want one that lists pins and describes their function |
| 16:01.25 | dbtid | it's called Monahans |
| 16:01.47 | dbtid | SpeedEvil: yeah, i know; i'm not new to this :) |
| 16:02.27 | dbtid | yeah; it can be a real PITA |
| 16:02.58 | SpeedEvil | I've decided DSPICs look like fun, but picking the exact device is annoying. Especially when cost's a factor. |
| 16:03.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you got squeak to compile? |
| 16:03.49 | dbtid | yeah, i don't have to worry about price so much; performance is big. |
| 16:04.01 | dbtid | one of the components is $900 (our cost), so it's gonna be expensive anyway :) |
| 16:04.42 | dbtid | this things got GPIO out the a##! |
| 16:04.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Yes, I just built and installed it for this PC. |
| 16:05.17 | RobotGuy | I have to leave in about 20 mins |
| 16:05.37 | dbtid | those gpio's HAVE to be configurable as interrupts. |
| 16:07.26 | dbtid | ok, there are at least 3 interrupt sources externall. GPIO<0>, GPIO<1> and GPIO<127:2> |
| 16:07.32 | dbtid | not quite sure what that last one is :) |
| 16:08.11 | dbtid | hell, "All of the GPIO signals can be configured to generate an interrupt on a risign edge, falling edge or both edges." |
| 16:08.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I am trying to find some files I supposedly need to use Squeak. |
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| 16:13.02 | RobotGuy | Well, I need to head out for now. I will be back later. |
| 16:13.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 16:14.00 | dbtid | it means ALL of those pins can be used as interrupt sources |
| 16:14.14 | dbtid | 0,1 are first level, 127:2 (126 of them) are second level. |
| 16:14.17 | dbtid | whatever that means... |
| 16:16.40 | RobotGuy | OK, got to go, see you all later! |
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| 18:01.48 | prpplague | anyone know what the bogomips rating is for the gumstix boards? |
| 18:02.05 | Mirell | 1.21 BoboMIPS?! |
| 18:02.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:05.01 | prpplague | hmm looks to be close to 400 |
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| 18:20.23 | prpplague | oh man, it would be cool of the nail board could do something like this - http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2007/08/09/dual-music-player-that-plays-your-mp3-collection-your-cds/ |
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| 18:21.51 | wmat | that looks dangerous |
| 18:22.41 | prpplague | wmat: indeed, its not intended for constant usage |
| 18:22.49 | prpplague | wmat: just for ripping the cd |
| 18:23.03 | wmat | prpplague: ahh, is it just a concept? |
| 18:23.28 | prpplague | wmat: not sure |
| 18:32.30 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:36.12 | wmat | welcome to the club |
| 18:36.36 | prpplague | wmat: hows thing going there at codesourcery? |
| 18:36.59 | wmat | prpplague: awesome |
| 18:37.10 | prpplague | good deal |
| 18:37.24 | wmat | prpplague: yep! want to join? |
| 18:37.30 | wmat | prpplague: i will, soon, soon |
| 18:37.41 | prpplague | wmat: naw, i like AML too much |
| 18:39.31 | wmat | heh |
| 18:39.59 | prpplague | wmat: why is codesourcery hiring? |
| 18:42.22 | chouimat|work | if any of you want a great job as a mindless java/flex/php developer :) |
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| 18:59.58 | wmat | prpplague: always |
| 19:14.40 | prpplague | wmat: anyone recommend a good project for project planning besiders Planner ? |
| 19:14.54 | prpplague | anyone recommend a good program for project planning besiders Planner ? |
| 19:15.12 | ds2 | prpplague: do you still need the bogomips number for gumstix? |
| 19:15.29 | prpplague | ds2: yea if you can confirm that its around 400 |
| 19:15.40 | ds2 | prpplague: I can do that tonight |
| 19:15.48 | prpplague | ds2: ok thanks |
| 19:15.55 | ds2 | but this is on the 255 gumstix not the current 270 |
| 19:16.37 | prpplague | np |
| 19:17.55 | wmat | prpplague: check out Mingle |
| 19:18.05 | wmat | http://studios.thoughtworks.com/mingle-project-intelligence/a-quick-tour |
| 19:18.09 | prpplague | wmat: open source? |
| 19:18.28 | wmat | prpplague: i don't think so |
| 19:18.33 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:19.04 | prpplague | i just need to do some gantt charts and calendar stuff |
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| 19:19.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was beginning to think you were dead |
| 19:20.28 | CosmicPenguin | ? |
| 19:20.59 | CosmicPenguin | I've been here the whole time |
| 19:21.12 | CosmicPenguin | the only time you've talked to me since Christmas was to lament not getting XO |
| 19:22.01 | Mirell | You don't talk to him enough, you sadist! |
| 19:22.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh ok, wasn't sure if you were actually online or just logging |
| 19:27.38 | CosmicPenguin | This is why I hate vacation - I forgot what I was doing before I left |
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| 19:34.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't you usually say that every day? |
| 19:34.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i do indeed regret getting dell laptops instead of the XO's |
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| 19:57.28 | hapchap | ls |
| 20:01.55 | prpplague | hapchap: no |
| 20:03.03 | Mirell | ls -l | grep prpplague | awk '{print $5}' |
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| 20:07.53 | dbtid_ | sorry i got disc'd |
| 20:08.23 | Mirell | 'sall good |
| 20:37.45 | chouimat|work | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=storage&articleId=9055681&taxonomyId=19&intsrc=kc_top |
| 20:39.10 | prpplague | wow |
| 20:40.07 | chouimat|work | prpplague: exactly ... now I just need the price |
| 20:44.56 | hapchap | prpplague: finally got bluez compiling... i hate dbus... |
| 20:45.04 | prpplague | hapchap: hehe |
| 20:45.07 | prpplague | hapchap: me too |
| 20:46.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I have some xml parsing code here ... the "proofofconcept code" work great ... but the "production" one doesn't ... and it's the same code at 99% |
| 20:58.17 | ds2 | anyone know what chipset this card is - |
| 20:58.21 | ds2 | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MINI-SDIO-WLAN-CARD&cat=PDA |
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| 21:29.39 | prpplague | JonHylands: hey, saw you brother ordered a kit |
| 21:29.41 | JonHylands | Hey prpplague, got a Hammer question for you |
| 21:29.56 | JonHylands | yeah, he's basically being nice to me and helping |
| 21:30.22 | JonHylands | he's setting up with buildroot for me, and is going to get Squeak running on it |
| 21:30.26 | JonHylands | so I can use it |
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| 21:30.58 | JonHylands | Can I run the serial port at 921 kbps? |
| 21:31.49 | prpplague | JonHylands: you know we already have buildroot working for the hammer, just don't have squeak added |
| 21:31.55 | JonHylands | yeah, I know |
| 21:32.12 | prpplague | JonHylands: i don't believe you can run the onboard uarts at that speed |
| 21:32.18 | JonHylands | he's got the buildroot installed on his linux machine, and in fact updated the wiki page |
| 21:32.20 | prpplague | JonHylands: give me a second to check the specs |
| 21:32.41 | JonHylands | if not, I can probably use an FT232 |
| 21:33.04 | JonHylands | although that would then require a hub, since I would have two of them |
| 21:33.39 | JonHylands | I know on the gumstix you can run the HWUART at that speed |
| 21:35.23 | prpplague | JonHylands: no the max on the uarts is 230.4k |
| 21:35.31 | JonHylands | okay |
| 21:35.51 | prpplague | JonHylands: my suggestion is if you need a high speed uart to use a maxim spi based uart |
| 21:36.05 | JonHylands | USB is easier |
| 21:36.21 | prpplague | JonHylands: hehe, the spi uart is pretty easy |
| 21:36.31 | JonHylands | I'll be running the FT-232 for the bioloid bus at 1.0 mbps |
| 21:37.21 | JonHylands | My brother updated this page: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_buildroot with his notes |
| 21:38.53 | prpplague | JonHylands: yea was jsut reading it |
| 21:39.27 | prpplague | JonHylands: question, is there a prefered reason onusing the rs-232 verses spi? |
| 21:39.48 | JonHylands | because the camera module I just bought uses RS-232 (well, TTL) |
| 21:40.26 | prpplague | JonHylands: url? |
| 21:40.29 | JonHylands | I can also run it at 115200, which is what I will most likely do in the beginning |
| 21:40.42 | JonHylands | http://www.electronics123.com/s.nl/it.A/id.2027/.f?sc=8&category=241 |
| 21:41.10 | JonHylands | It says it can only do 115200, but if you look at the data sheet for the module they use on the board, you can also set it for 921k |
| 21:42.17 | prpplague | nice looking module, pretty pricy though |
| 21:42.24 | JonHylands | realistically, thinking about it, I probably don't have enough CPU to do much image processing at 921k |
| 21:42.48 | JonHylands | $50 for a module that outputs JPG format over serial is pretty good in my book |
| 21:43.15 | prpplague | yea i guess on the hobby end thats pretty good |
| 21:43.48 | JonHylands | With 100 MIPS, there's not a lot of CPU available for vision anyways, so I will probably only be doing 1 fps |
| 21:43.58 | JonHylands | simple stuff, like the AVRcam |
| 21:44.17 | JonHylands | or more complex stuff on "still images" |
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| 21:46.01 | prpplague | JonHylands: oh, there is something i'd like to point out about the mips rating |
| 21:46.26 | prpplague | JonHylands: for instance the gumstix board thats pxa255 based is about 400 mips |
| 21:46.40 | prpplague | JonHylands: the hammer s3c2410 is about 100 mips |
| 21:46.44 | JonHylands | well, 400 MHz |
| 21:46.48 | prpplague | JonHylands: but those numbers are very misleading |
| 21:47.28 | JonHylands | Squeak has a pretty nice little benchmark feature, so it will be interesting to compare the numbers (taking into account the MHz diffs) between the gumstix and the Hammer |
| 21:47.41 | prpplague | JonHylands: the pxa255 is xscale based which has a 8 stage pipe |
| 21:48.16 | prpplague | JonHylands: the 8 stages allows it to run at a faster clock cycle that the s3c2410 which is arm9 based and has a 5 stage pipe |
| 21:48.22 | prpplague | JonHylands: but here is the catch |
| 21:48.43 | prpplague | JonHylands: it takes more clock cycles to fill up the pipe, sometimes as many as 6 clocks |
| 21:48.54 | prpplague | JonHylands: more than the arm9 |
| 21:49.28 | prpplague | JonHylands: so generally speaking, and arm9 running at 200mhz will generally get about the same performance as a 400mhz xscale |
| 21:49.37 | JonHylands | cool |
| 21:50.07 | prpplague | JonHylands: in order to get any real performance advantage with the xscale, the code has to be extremely optomize to do predictive loads of the pipeline |
| 21:50.41 | prpplague | JonHylands: which can be difficult when do things like vision, where there just isn't that much predicability |
| 21:50.46 | JonHylands | Interestingly, I did a benchmark comparison between my 600 MHz gumstix and my laptop (2.1 Mhz core 2 duo) |
| 21:50.56 | prpplague | JonHylands: oh? |
| 21:51.07 | JonHylands | the laptop runs Squeak about 10x faster, and it only uses one core (one OS process) |
| 21:51.28 | prpplague | JonHylands: yea that sounds about right |
| 21:51.30 | JonHylands | of course, it has a much larger cache |
| 21:51.39 | prpplague | JonHylands: i'll be interested in seeing how it runs on the s3c2410 |
| 21:51.45 | JonHylands | yeah, me too |
| 21:52.44 | prpplague | JonHylands: i'm finishing up a new cd for to ship with the hammer kit, so your brothers kit won't go out until tomorrow |
| 21:53.17 | JonHylands | okay - anything new on the CD? |
| 21:53.26 | JonHylands | or just newer versions of the same stuff? |
| 21:53.39 | prpplague | JonHylands: mostly just bug fixes |
| 21:53.45 | prpplague | JonHylands: fix the 8.3 problems |
| 21:53.55 | prpplague | JonHylands: add some patches to help build with fedora8 |
| 21:53.55 | JonHylands | good |
| 21:54.08 | JonHylands | is the new version on the web? |
| 21:55.05 | JonHylands | If it is, I would just ship it today, because he'll just pull the new version in |
| 21:55.25 | JonHylands | he doesn't care about having stuff on CD or not |
| 21:55.40 | JonHylands | gumstix doesn't even ship a CD with their boards |
| 21:56.27 | prpplague | JonHylands: already missed shipping deadline for today |
| 21:56.31 | JonHylands | oh well |
| 21:56.38 | prpplague | JonHylands: but yea, it will be up on the web |
| 22:00.49 | prpplague | JonHylands: still going to put the hammer in the microraptor? |
| 22:00.55 | JonHylands | yep |
| 22:01.16 | JonHylands | as soon as my brother gets Squeak running on it (the Hammer), since I basically suck at Linux |
| 22:01.30 | JonHylands | well, more like I suck at C |
| 22:01.51 | prpplague | cool deal |
| 22:02.12 | prpplague | JonHylands: feel free to ask questions here or on the forum |
| 22:02.46 | JonHylands | I just machined the chassis for it over the weekend - http://www.huv.com/MicroRaptor-Chassis.jpg |
| 22:02.51 | prpplague | JonHylands: GPSFan , jbevren , samuelr, landley, tomw all have hammer kits |
| 22:03.14 | prpplague | oh very very nice |
| 22:03.22 | JonHylands | 1/4" Delrin plate |
| 22:04.52 | prpplague | wmat: i was thinking of mentioning the nail board to tim bird |
| 22:04.58 | prpplague | wmat: what do you think? |
| 22:05.24 | JonHylands | I posted my first blog entry about the Hammer kit, btw - http://www.huv.com/blog/index.html |
| 22:05.55 | prpplague | JonHylands: ahh yea, read that already |
| 22:23.54 | prpplague | JonHylands: your brother going to do a bot too? |
| 22:24.01 | JonHylands | No idea |
| 22:24.21 | JonHylands | he has a couple on the go, but he's more of an experimenter than I am |
| 22:24.29 | prpplague | JonHylands: ahh ok |
| 22:24.34 | JonHylands | I like to build stuff |
| 22:26.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:27.29 | prpplague | i'm more of an experimentor as well |
| 22:32.22 | flyback- | heh |
| 22:36.54 | prpplague | brb |
| 22:53.42 | ds2 | hmmm no one willing to hazard a guess at that miniSD wifi card's chipset? |
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| 22:58.38 | CosmicPenguin | probably tough to narrow down |
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| 22:58.44 | CosmicPenguin | there are quite a few vendors that do only b |
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