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| 00:09.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hows the build? |
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| 00:14.03 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:15.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague, It could not download fakeroot_1.7.1.tar.gz |
| 00:15.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague, 404 error |
| 00:22.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: doh |
| 00:22.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: let me check on that |
| 00:26.37 | prpplague | what the heck |
| 00:26.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its gone, even from the archive |
| 00:27.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can edit the fakeroot.mk file and change the version to 1.8.10 |
| 00:29.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK |
| 00:29.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: package/fakeroot/fakeroot.mk |
| 00:30.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just change the version from 1.7.1 to 1.8.10 |
| 00:30.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Just did that and restarted make |
| 00:31.03 | RobotGuy | Note even |
| 00:31.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:34.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: completed? |
| 00:35.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Yes |
| 00:35.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague, etc looks better too. |
| 00:36.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OMG, it worked! |
| 00:36.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:36.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok so now the test is if you change the project name and banners |
| 00:37.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or did you do that already? |
| 00:38.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I just did that and started a new build. |
| 00:39.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, i also added a new clean option |
| 00:39.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: rootclean |
| 00:39.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do a make rooclean |
| 00:39.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: make rootclean |
| 00:39.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I will try it later. :) |
| 00:39.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, |
| 00:40.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats if you need to rebuild just the root filesystem and nothing else |
| 00:40.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Gotcha. |
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| 00:43.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague, W.A.L.T.E.R. welcomes you to The Dynaplex Network |
| 00:43.36 | RobotGuy | walter login: |
| 00:44.16 | prpplague | lovely |
| 00:44.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Oh, you don't know just HOW lovely that is! |
| 00:52.42 | prpplague | hehe thats what its there for |
| 00:53.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague, If there is a bug anywhere, I most likely WILL trip over it eventually. |
| 00:54.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:55.23 | RobotGuy | Building Python now. |
| 00:55.38 | RobotGuy | What is needed to add Squeak to buildroot? |
| 00:56.31 | prpplague | no clue what squeak requires |
| 00:56.51 | RobotGuy | Dave Hylands is supposed to be making a buildroot package for gumstix. |
| 00:58.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: actually he's making it for buildroot in general |
| 00:58.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nothing specific between the gumstix and hammer buildroot |
| 00:59.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague, That is good~ |
| 00:59.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hopefully his buildroot package will be all that is needed. |
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| 01:00.41 | RobotGuy | If this works, I will have all the languages on my Hammer except microperl. |
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| 01:04.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I had to send my bot board II and Atom PRO back to Lynxmotion, so I will have opportunity to do other things, such as connect my SSC-32 to Hammer and the BRAT.. |
| 01:06.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Here is another build problem, but with ruby: |
| 01:06.09 | RobotGuy | make[1]: ruby: Command not found |
| 01:06.09 | RobotGuy | make[1]: *** [rbconfig.rb] Error 127 |
| 01:06.09 | RobotGuy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/src/hammer/buildroot/build_arm/ruby-1.8.2' |
| 01:06.10 | RobotGuy | make: *** [/src/hammer/buildroot/build_arm/ruby-1.8.2/ruby] Error 2 |
| 01:06.12 | RobotGuy | linuxguy@intrepid </src/hammer/buildroot> |
| 01:07.28 | RobotGuy | I just took ruby out of my build. |
| 01:08.12 | prpplague | it should be |
| 01:08.55 | RobotGuy | It shouldn't be trying to call ruby though. I don't have ruby on my PC. |
| 01:10.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh what? |
| 01:10.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague, The build of ruby is trying to call ruby to do something. It should not be trying to call ruby because this is for an embedded system being cross compiled. |
| 01:11.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I think something in the Makefile needs to be removed. |
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| 01:12.04 | prpplague | hmm |
| 01:12.10 | prpplague | just notice something |
| 01:12.22 | prpplague | i lost my wireless connection when my wife started using the cordless phone |
| 01:12.31 | SpeedEvil | 2.4? |
| 01:12.40 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:13.20 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea |
| 01:13.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats that about ruby in your buildroto |
| 01:16.51 | RobotGuy | ruby: Command not found |
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| 01:17.22 | RobotGuy | make[1]: ruby: Command not found |
| 01:17.25 | RobotGuy | make[1]: *** [rbconfig.rb] Error 127 |
| 01:17.39 | RobotGuy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/src/hammer/buildroot/build_arm/ruby-1.8.2' |
| 01:18.13 | GPSFan_ | prpplague, you around? |
| 01:18.39 | prpplague | no i've always been a square |
| 01:18.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you just added ruby? |
| 01:19.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: whats up? |
| 01:19.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looks like the ruby build failed, can you pastebin.ca about 20 lines before that? |
| 01:19.44 | GPSFan_ | haha.. Just dl'd the latest buildroot for the hammer, refresh my memory if you would I just copy the hammer config to .config and run make? |
| 01:19.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: make oldconfig |
| 01:20.04 | GPSFan_ | yep did that too. |
| 01:20.46 | prpplague | GPSFan_: yep good to go then |
| 01:21.39 | GPSFan_ | it then went out and dl'd the kernel, then uclibc 0.9.29. then tried to build uclibc and I got an error: /bin/sh: /usr2/Hammer/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/usr/bin/arm-linux-uclibc-gcc: not found |
| 01:22.25 | GPSFan_ | this is a fresh install on ubuntu 7.10 |
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| 01:24.27 | prpplague | looks to be the cordless phone |
| 01:24.57 | GPSFan_ | swell, did you see my last? |
| 01:25.03 | prpplague | sorry no |
| 01:25.18 | GPSFan_ | error after it dl'd uclibc. http://pastebin.ca/847454 |
| 01:26.50 | GPSFan_ | looks like it's looking for arm-linux-uclibc-gcc before it is built. |
| 01:27.19 | GPSFan_ | line 92 |
| 01:27.26 | GPSFan_ | in the pastebin |
| 01:28.01 | prpplague | uh weird, are you sure you got the correct config file? |
| 01:28.34 | prpplague | and are you sure you deleted your old buildroot before extracting this one? |
| 01:29.53 | prpplague | GPSFan_: RobotGuy just did a fresh build ok |
| 01:29.56 | GPSFan_ | hammer-config and .config are the same and there was never a buildroot on this box before. |
| 01:30.17 | GPSFan_ | I gotta go off to dinner, I'll be back in a while.. |
| 01:30.35 | prpplague | GPSFan_: hammer-config or Hammer-config |
| 01:30.38 | GPSFan_ | sorry I thought I had more time before dinner was ready ;>P |
| 01:30.47 | prpplague | GPSFan_: np |
| 01:30.52 | GPSFan_ | Hammer-config from the root of the buildroot |
| 01:31.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea that should be correct |
| 01:31.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: what dirstro? |
| 01:36.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I will have to rebuild with ruby when I get back from the meeting. |
| 01:56.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 01:56.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: take notes |
| 01:59.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I will try |
| 02:00.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: feel better now that the buildroot is workin? |
| 02:03.18 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:04.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Oh yeah! Now I can break it again.. Muahahahahahahahahah |
| 02:04.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:05.01 | RobotGuy | That's my job! :D |
| 02:05.03 | prpplague | GPSFan_: looking at the buildroot log, it looks as though something is missing with regards curses |
| 02:05.36 | RobotGuy | OK, bye bye until later |
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| 03:03.32 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: back now. yeah it looks like curses.h was missing, I didn't have libncurses5-dev installed. Thanks. |
| 03:04.42 | prpplague | GPSFan_ ahh good deal |
| 03:04.48 | prpplague | GPSFan_: what distro |
| 03:04.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's building again. ;>) |
| 03:05.05 | GPSFan | ubuntu 7.10 |
| 03:05.47 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 03:05.58 | GPSFan | since it was a new system I was hoping I had all the neccessary building utilities installed. guess I missed curses-dev |
| 03:06.20 | prpplague | hehe np |
| 03:17.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: next error was the old missing makeinfo problem, if you dont have makeinfo installed need to patch /buildroot/toolchain_build_arm/binutils-2.17.50.0.17/missing |
| 03:17.48 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.16 | GPSFan | this seems to be a ubuntu related issue |
| 03:20.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i'll check that |
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| 03:21.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: what version of makefile do you have installed? |
| 03:21.28 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 03:21.34 | prpplague | landley: how did the phone interview go? |
| 03:21.49 | GPSFan | that's been an issue since the earliest hammer version I tried. probably a newer buildroot + missing package in ubuntu. |
| 03:21.54 | landley | hiya. |
| 03:21.59 | landley | Phone interview went pretty well. |
| 03:22.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: 3.81 |
| 03:22.42 | prpplague | hmm |
| 03:22.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: 3.81? or 4.81? |
| 03:24.24 | landley | Except that they want me to do some stuff in perl. |
| 03:24.31 | landley | (Sigh. I can, but it's not my first choice.) |
| 03:25.34 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 03:25.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: you sure makeinfo is 3.81? |
| 03:26.12 | GPSFan | make --version returns 3.81 |
| 03:26.36 | GPSFan | there is no makeinfo package. |
| 03:26.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: not make, makeinfo |
| 03:26.48 | GPSFan | there is no makeinfo package. |
| 03:26.51 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:26.57 | prpplague | thats why its complaining :) |
| 03:27.03 | GPSFan | yes |
| 03:27.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: why not just install makeinfo? |
| 03:28.10 | prpplague | i know it isn't exactly needed, |
| 03:28.18 | GPSFan | there doesn't seem to be a makeinfo package in the usual repositories for ubuntu 6.06-7.10 |
| 03:28.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: its part of texinfo |
| 03:28.52 | GPSFan | ahhh, silly me... |
| 03:29.09 | GPSFan | to think it might have a name of makeinfo... |
| 03:29.09 | prpplague | http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/text/texinfo |
| 03:29.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:29.28 | GPSFan | yes, that's ther and not installed. |
| 03:30.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, no worries |
| 03:32.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've added a new clean option: rootclean |
| 03:33.18 | GPSFan | prpplague: what does that do? |
| 03:33.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: doing a make rootclean, removes the root build directory and image files |
| 03:33.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: basically to just make sure you are getting a good root build |
| 03:33.48 | GPSFan | ok, good. |
| 03:34.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: be careful that you don't do a make clean, or make dirclean, those will set you back to almost a fresh start |
| 03:34.51 | GPSFan | I often just rename that root directory and re-make so I can see if the older root and the newer root are similar. |
| 03:37.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, the make rootclean, also removes a few stamp files to make sure they all get repopulated |
| 03:37.42 | GPSFan | ah, that's wat I've missed a few times. |
| 03:38.17 | Mirell | Seriously tempted to get a Dell XPS M1330... |
| 03:39.39 | agaffney | s/dell // |
| 03:39.45 | agaffney | why would you get your kids laptops? |
| 03:39.45 | Mirell | *shrug* |
| 03:39.49 | agaffney | that's crazy :P |
| 03:39.54 | Mirell | It's the only 13" laptop I've seen with a good graphics card. |
| 03:39.58 | prpplague | Mirell: i really should have gotten them either a eee or an XO |
| 03:40.07 | prpplague | agaffney: why's that? |
| 03:40.34 | prpplague | agaffney: why wouldn't you get laptops for the kids? |
| 03:41.20 | Mirell | prpplague: Sure, for them. But for me, 13" form factor, good graphics card, and 250GB drive. |
| 03:41.20 | Mirell | prpplague: Also, for $1.4K |
| 03:41.20 | prpplague | Mirell: actually in general, not real happy with the quality |
| 03:41.23 | agaffney | prpplague: how old are your kids? |
| 03:41.30 | prpplague | 9 and 10 |
| 03:41.46 | agaffney | yeah, that's too young for an expensive piece of computer hardware that's easy to move :P |
| 03:42.15 | prpplague | agaffney: easy to move? |
| 03:42.24 | prpplague | agaffney: $350 isn't that expensive |
| 03:44.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: rats... I forgot to turn on building the c++ compiler. is there any way to build only that part without rebuilding the whole mess? |
| 03:45.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: no iirc if you enable the c++ its got rebuild a number of dirs |
| 03:45.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: you can give it a try |
| 03:45.41 | prpplague | agaffney: easy to move? |
| 03:46.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: I've had problems doing that before. I'll just rebuild it all. It will give me a chance to see if the makeinfo stuff works. |
| 03:47.30 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 03:47.38 | prpplague | just don't delete your dl dir |
| 03:47.48 | prpplague | that way you don;'t have to re-download everything |
| 03:48.05 | GPSFan | btdt got the teeshirt & scars to prove it... ;>) |
| 03:49.33 | prpplague | brb |
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| 03:51.57 | prpplague | change my ap's channel |
| 03:52.04 | prpplague | we'll see if that helps |
| 03:53.34 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: next error is it is still looking for fakeroot 1.7.1 at : http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.7.1.tar.gz and it ain't there |
| 03:53.50 | prpplague | GPSFan_: yea need to update the version number to 1.8.10 |
| 03:53.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'll have that updated in the morning |
| 03:54.07 | GPSFan | okidoki |
| 03:56.53 | GPSFan | hmmm, error from libtool. |
| 03:57.09 | agaffney | prpplague: easy to move == much easier to knock off into the floor and break :P |
| 03:57.25 | agaffney | also much easier to lose or get stolen |
| 03:57.42 | prpplague | agaffney: ahh, indeed, both my kids are very responsible about such things |
| 03:57.52 | agaffney | they must be abnormal :P |
| 03:58.03 | agaffney | most 9 and 10 year olds are anything but responsible |
| 03:59.51 | prpplague | i guess so |
| 04:00.07 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: http://pastebin.ca/847555 |
| 04:02.20 | prpplague | hmm |
| 04:02.21 | prpplague | hmm |
| 04:02.27 | prpplague | thats very odd |
| 04:03.19 | prpplague | do you have the build-essentials package installed? |
| 04:03.28 | GPSFan | yes |
| 04:05.26 | prpplague | hmm, you did a make clean before starting the build with c++ enabled? |
| 04:06.29 | GPSFan | no I haven't started the c++ rebuild yet this is just the first build |
| 04:06.37 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 04:06.48 | prpplague | looking |
| 04:06.59 | GPSFan | no changes to anything other than the 1.7.1 vs 1.8.10 |
| 04:09.10 | prpplague | nope |
| 04:09.22 | prpplague | did a fresh build on my fedora stuff with no problems |
| 04:09.37 | prpplague | hmm |
| 04:10.11 | prpplague | this is very odd |
| 04:10.21 | GPSFan | I have a libtool in /usr/bin that I didn't have on the ubuntu 6.06 boc I used before. |
| 04:10.35 | prpplague | yea, i don't think its related to that |
| 04:10.47 | prpplague | i think something as part of the build script is failing |
| 04:13.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: just for kicks, change the fakeroot build version to 1.9 |
| 04:13.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: and re-try |
| 04:14.23 | prpplague | hmm the changes to my ap seem to be working better |
| 04:14.34 | GPSFan | ok, what should I remove to make it get 1.9? |
| 04:15.45 | prpplague | nothing, if you just change the version number in fakeroot.mk file, it will go ahead and build it new |
| 04:15.53 | GPSFan | ok.. |
| 04:16.39 | GPSFan | same error |
| 04:17.07 | GPSFan | I could try 1.7.1 |
| 04:17.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: no i suspect now that you are probably missing something from your distro install |
| 04:18.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: that gets built for the host |
| 04:18.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i suspect that something is missing |
| 04:19.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: doing some tests now |
| 04:19.50 | GPSFan | prpplague: me too, that's why if 1.7.1 does the same error it will confirm it's a missing part |
| 04:20.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: if you have the tarball for 1.7.1 give it a try |
| 04:21.59 | GPSFan | it built ok |
| 04:22.05 | prpplague | interesting |
| 04:22.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: i guess something has changed in the 1.8 builds |
| 04:22.22 | GPSFan | I'll pastebin the output. |
| 04:23.03 | prpplague | hmm looks like something in ltmain.sh has changed |
| 04:23.40 | GPSFan_ | prpplague: http://pastebin.ca/847571 |
| 04:24.06 | prpplague | GPSFan_: can you email me the ltmain.sh from 1.7.1 ? |
| 04:24.59 | GPSFan | where is it in the fakeroot tree? |
| 04:25.28 | prpplague | should be in the main dir of fakeroot |
| 04:25.29 | GPSFan_ | foundit |
| 04:27.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's on its way. |
| 04:27.46 | prpplague | thanks |
| 04:28.14 | GPSFan_ | np, I'm off to zzz land. will be around tomorrow late in the afternoon. cul... |
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| 13:45.17 | dijenerate | hi all |
| 13:45.51 | dijenerate | anyone here know if the freescale arm11 cpusx support hardware floating point operations? |
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| 14:28.51 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 14:42.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 14:43.11 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 14:43.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day, I'll probably be around most of the day, 6-8" snow, more coming, gonna postpone my trip till tomorrow (maybe) |
| 14:43.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh ok |
| 14:43.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: where did we leave off last night? |
| 14:44.18 | GPSFan | I e-mailed you ltmain.sh and you were going to look at it to see what's different between 1.7,1 and 1.8.10 |
| 14:44.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've got a ton of work to do today, so i'll be on and off depending on time between compiles |
| 14:45.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh yea, i diff'd them and there was a change in the ltmain.sh between 1.7.1. and 1.8 |
| 14:45.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: they changed up how some of the variables were quoted |
| 14:45.19 | GPSFan | ok, I've got normal stuff going on here so I won't be around 100% either |
| 14:45.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: looks to break on ubuntu, but not on debian or fedora |
| 14:46.07 | GPSFan | interesting, that may be the bash vs dash issue. ubuntu changed to dash for the default shell in 7.04. |
| 14:46.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 14:47.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep, thats probably it |
| 14:47.37 | GPSFan | landley had complained about the change a while ago, I haven't seen any issues. but this was sort of a test to see if the hammer sutff had any issues. |
| 14:48.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: IIRC, bash is still there, its a matter of forceing its use during the buildroot build. |
| 14:49.20 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 14:49.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh ok |
| 14:49.27 | Mirell | /bin/sh is just symlinked to /bin/dash |
| 14:49.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'll look at trying out a fix later this am. |
| 14:49.55 | Mirell | My typical response was, remove than, and symlink /bin/sh back to bash. |
| 14:50.04 | Mirell | Er, that. |
| 14:50.09 | GPSFan | Mirell: me too, |
| 14:50.53 | GPSFan | but I wanted to see if there were any issues, so we could be prepared when it broke for a production customer. |
| 14:51.12 | Mirell | Ahh. |
| 14:52.41 | wmat | prpplague: wiki update - I've installed mediawiki on the new server, not much progress other then that though as I'm busy getting work done before our annual meeting next week |
| 14:53.24 | prpplague | wmat: okie dokie |
| 14:53.34 | prpplague | wmat: what about the backup? |
| 14:53.50 | wmat | prpplague: I have the movial guy awaiting my instructions |
| 14:54.10 | prpplague | wmat: okie dokie |
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| 15:34.19 | Mirell | Hmm... |
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| 15:58.03 | Mirell | Woah. |
| 15:58.11 | Mirell | My corporate e-mail address is amazing. |
| 16:03.10 | agaffney | Mirell: care to elaborate on that? :P |
| 16:03.23 | chouimat|work | Mirell: why? you got anigav.sinep@.... |
| 16:03.38 | Mirell | NoNo |
| 16:03.46 | Mirell | It's mark.miller@blah... |
| 16:03.56 | Mirell | There's like 5 Mark Millers in this company |
| 16:04.56 | chouimat|work | Mirell: ok |
| 16:09.06 | Crofton|work | I used to know a Mark Miller that played Air Warrior ... |
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| 16:37.10 | GPSFan | prpplague^2: reseting /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash fixes the problem for fakeroot 1.9, haven't tested 1.8.10, but I'm sure it will fix that too. |
| 16:37.43 | prpplague^2 | GPSFan: does that create problems for ubuntu? |
| 16:39.22 | GPSFan | prpplague^2: I don't know, there has been much (heated) discussion about the dash problem since ubuntu 7.04. I looked at changing it in fakeroot, and there are lots of things that would have to point to bash vs sh. I don't want to go there. |
| 16:40.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie |
| 16:40.59 | prpplague | GPSFan: we'll leave it as is for now |
| 16:42.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: good plan, just note that when it breaks, tell people what to do, they can always revert to dash after the build, or write a small wrapper to change it to bash, then back to dash after it's done. |
| 16:42.30 | prpplague | sounds like a plan |
| 16:43.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm sure landley will have a wry comment about the bash vs dash issue hahaha |
| 16:43.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:43.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:43.26 | CosmicPenguin | seriously prpplague - stop messing with Ubuntu |
| 16:43.33 | CosmicPenguin | what did Ubuntu ever do to you? |
| 16:50.04 | dijenerate | prpplague: happy new year |
| 16:50.22 | prpplague | dijenerate: greetings |
| 16:50.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i use fedora, hehe |
| 16:50.39 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: this isn't about which dist is "better" it's about sniffing out bugs & breakage that new folks are likely to encounter. |
| 16:50.40 | dijenerate | prpplague: how goes it? |
| 16:50.53 | prpplague | it goes |
| 16:51.20 | dijenerate | prpplague: that bad eh? |
| 16:53.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:18.03 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://movingparts.net/2008/01/08/home-remedies/ |
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| 17:54.19 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
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| 19:33.14 | Mirell | http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html |
| 19:38.28 | prpplague | Mirell: wow that is interesting |
| 19:38.45 | prpplague | Mirell: i've never looked at the quality of hd-dvd or blu-ray |
| 19:40.34 | Mirell | prpplague: It's amazing. |
| 19:42.44 | Mirell | prpplague: It's making me replace all my DVDs. The LotR ones I've been anxiously waiting for. |
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| 19:44.38 | Mirell | chouimat|work: I've had one for a while. Soooo glad Blu-Ray is 80% sure going to win. |
| 19:45.07 | chouimat|work | Mirell: in my case it's because I want a 64 bit PPC to play with |
| 19:47.24 | Mirell | Well, unfortunately, trying to use the SPE cores is horribly obtuse. |
| 19:48.15 | roxfan2 | aren't last ppc macs 64 bit? |
| 19:48.44 | chouimat|work | roxfan: yes |
| 19:48.56 | chouimat|work | roxfan: I mean at a reasonable price |
| 19:49.27 | Mirell | roxfan: Depends on the PPC Mac. |
| 19:49.29 | roxfan | well, used ones shouldn't be expensive by now i'd think... |
| 19:49.56 | Mirell | For instance, my Mac Mini is PPC32 |
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| 20:39.25 | Mirell | Still no work assigned. |
| 20:39.54 | chouimat|work | Mirell: cool :) |
| 20:43.27 | Mirell | At least I've gotten corporate e-mail finally. |
| 20:43.31 | Mirell | But still no working office phone. |
| 20:47.49 | prpplague | Mirell: and thats a bad thing? |
| 20:48.11 | chouimat|work | Mirell: I have a phone here but nobody want to call me :'( |
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| 20:53.00 | Mirell | Shoot, now it works. |
| 20:53.28 | RobotGuy | G'Morning everyone. |
| 20:54.23 | Mirell | 'lo roxfan |
| 20:54.25 | Mirell | Er, RobotGuy |
| 20:56.58 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 20:59.56 | Mirell | So now I have working e-mail and phone. |
| 21:00.03 | Mirell | Soon they'll expect me to do actual work. |
| 21:01.28 | chouimat|work | Mirell: I have friend that waited for 6 weeks before they actually gave him work |
| 21:01.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 21:01.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats the scoop on last nights meeting? |
| 21:01.52 | chouimat|work | Mirell: so just look busy :) |
| 21:02.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: be back in20 minutes |
| 21:04.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Greetings. Oh, it was no less than A W E S O M E! Two hours went to 3 1/2 and then longer as some left and some stayed. I was one of the last to leave. |
| 21:09.40 | lyakh | hi, is anyone here familiar with coldfire? |
| 21:10.00 | lyakh | specifically the newer ones - with MMU |
| 21:10.28 | lyakh | a linuxdevices article from 2004 says "expect real Linux on them soon"... |
| 21:11.52 | RobotGuy | This is mostly ARM7/ARM9 based, specifically Tin Can Tools products such as Hammer. Others may have knowledge of Coldfire though. |
| 21:12.24 | RobotGuy | I have not looked at the newer Coldfire processors yet. |
| 21:13.46 | lyakh | ??? ARM? totally confused now... I read asm is m68k, isn't it? |
| 21:14.38 | RobotGuy | m68k has nothing to do with ARM7/ARM9 |
| 21:14.59 | RobotGuy | At least as far as I know. |
| 21:15.16 | chouimat|work | arm is closer in design to the 6502 :) |
| 21:15.48 | RobotGuy | Like a Core 2 Duo is closer to an 8008.. :P |
| 21:15.51 | lyakh | RobotGuy: sure, that's why I'm surprised you mentioned ARM in reply to my question about coldfire? |
| 21:16.06 | lyakh | or you meant this channel is more about ARM? |
| 21:16.39 | RobotGuy | lyakh, This channel is mostly ARM7/ARM9, Tin Can Tools products like Hammer. Sorry for any confusion. |
| 21:16.59 | lyakh | aha, ok, ic now |
| 21:17.34 | lyakh | yeah, I heave to learn to read topic before posting... |
| 21:17.40 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 21:28.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a note, this channel is for embedded dev in general, just tends to be more about arm |
| 21:31.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/485967082.html |
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| 21:32.34 | prpplague | chouimat|work: cute |
| 21:32.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats the scoop on last nights meeting? |
| 21:34.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK on the channel. |
| 21:34.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Greetings. Oh, it was no less than A W E S O M E! Two hours went to 3 1/2 and then longer as some left and some stayed. I was one of the last to leave. |
| 21:34.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: any conversation about the hammer? |
| 21:34.51 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, we urge you to talk about x86 here |
| 21:34.54 | CosmicPenguin | we _dare_ you |
| 21:34.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:35.13 | Mirell | Embedded x86 processor! |
| 21:35.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Of course there were conversations (and questions) about Hammer. :D:D |
| 21:35.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I think I did pretty good on the questions and such. |
| 21:35.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: mind giving me a short summary of anything related to the hammer? |
| 21:36.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Robert Sheer actually prompted some of the conversation on Hammer. ;) |
| 21:36.24 | GPSFan | and occasionally some of us do a bit of PPC, while others have done MIPS. |
| 21:36.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Mostly it was about processor speed and memory capacity, which of course I know well. |
| 21:36.55 | chouimat|work | and some of us did pic ... |
| 21:36.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague, We also talked about how Squeak might fit Hammer, and I was happy that the entire Squeak environment will fit, with a remote to my PC X display. |
| 21:37.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Robert again mentioned his desire to use Hammer on Tarzan before he goes to the x86. |
| 21:38.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Got to make Hammer Squeak. ;) |
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| 21:38.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I am going to go with Squeak also. :) |
| 21:38.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Or at least I want to go with Squeak. |
| 21:39.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Speaking of buildroot.. Hmmm, where should I start? |
| 21:41.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I won't be able to get ethernet for Hammer until next month though. :( |
| 21:42.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Andrew Black, a professor at Portland State University was the main speaker last night and his presentation was very interesting. He's very easy to talk to also, and I got a few minutes with him.' |
| 21:43.22 | RobotGuy | www.squeakbyexample.org I have Squeak running on my PC now. |
| 21:43.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what do you need ethernet on the hammer for? |
| 21:43.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just doing squeak dev? |
| 21:44.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I need to be able to remote connect to my PC X display once I get Squeak onto Hammer. |
| 21:44.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can enable the usbnet driver in the kernel and just connect via usb |
| 21:44.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I found some more buildroot problems early this morning and have two rootfs images you might want to check out. |
| 21:45.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 21:45.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Direct USB between Hammer and my PC? |
| 21:45.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: drop me an email with some notes as to the issues |
| 21:45.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 21:45.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ok, I will. |
| 21:46.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK, then I don't need to get a separate ethernet dongle. That would be good! |
| 21:47.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep |
| 21:47.35 | RobotGuy | I really like Squeak from what I saw last night. :) |
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| 22:02.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I am putting together an archive of the rootfs images and text of the problems. |
| 22:03.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looks like someone from circuit cellar was at the meeting last night |
| 22:04.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hmmmmm, I don't know who that was. I did not get to meet everyone though. |
| 22:04.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: other than the config scripts for squeak not being cross compile friendly it doesn't look bad |
| 22:04.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague, There were definitely some heavy hitters from the Squeak/Smalltalk world there though. |
| 22:05.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I have some notes on Squeak for that. |
| 22:06.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague, http://davehylands.com/linux/gumstix/squeak/ |
| 22:07.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh nice, all the hardwork has been done |
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| 22:09.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I thought you would like that. |
| 22:10.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I want to put the complete Squeak environment on Hammer. I plan to have it remote connect to my PC X display. :D |
| 22:10.52 | RobotGuy | I was told there would be no problem fitting everything on Hammer. |
| 22:13.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Archive is sent. |
| 22:14.04 | prpplague | okie dokie i'll have a look |
| 22:17.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea the executable looks to be about 1mb |
| 22:17.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so no problems there |
| 22:19.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh how big was the attachment? |
| 22:21.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe you've got my yahoo accout locked up hehe |
| 22:25.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Uh oh, sorry. |
| 22:25.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how big was the attachment? |
| 22:25.57 | RobotGuy | -rw-r--r-- 1 linuxguy staff 4.4M 2008-01-09 14:08 walter-buildroot.tar.bz2 |
| 22:26.37 | prpplague | hmm, that should have been fine |
| 22:28.25 | RobotGuy | I compressed it as good as I could too. |
| 22:31.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, looks like it was yahoo creating problems |
| 22:31.51 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhh |
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| 22:35.22 | RobotGuy | I'm looking at the Carrier Board schematic.. It looks like I could tap in at TP1 and TP2 and add a two terminal block for battery power. That's before the regulator if I am looking at things right. |
| 22:36.47 | RobotGuy | I need to get something small and lightweight I can carry with me when I take Hammer out so I can console to it. Should run full Linux with X and KDE. |
| 22:37.23 | RobotGuy | I would have liked to have been able to really demo Hammer last night. |
| 22:37.48 | flyback- | you know what would be neat |
| 22:38.03 | flyback- | just enough code on a juicebox to act as a lcd display thru it's serial port |
| 22:38.07 | flyback- | and attach to hammer |
| 22:38.25 | RobotGuy | What is a juicebox? |
| 22:38.42 | flyback- | hang on :P |
| 22:38.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea the email you sent didn't go thru |
| 22:38.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: send me a short summary of the issues without the attachment |
| 22:38.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Drats. How do I get this to you? |
| 22:39.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK |
| 22:41.10 | RobotGuy | Sent |
| 22:41.14 | flyback- | http://elinux.org/JuiceBox |
| 22:41.56 | flyback- | wonder if the hammer has sdio |
| 22:43.00 | RobotGuy | Juicebox doesn't seem to be available now. |
| 22:43.57 | RobotGuy | It has to be small enough that I can carry it and my Hammer stuff on my wheel chair. |
| 22:44.16 | RobotGuy | Perhaps in a backpack. |
| 22:45.11 | prpplague | flyback-: the hammer does not have sdio, it only has sd acces via SPI |
| 22:45.31 | prpplague | <flyback-> just enough code on a juicebox to act as a lcd display thru it's serial port |
| 22:45.35 | prpplague | thats already doable |
| 22:45.58 | RobotGuy | I think I am confused about that |
| 22:46.52 | prpplague | flyback-: http://www.elinux.org/Display_Jbox |
| 22:46.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: about what? |
| 22:47.33 | RobotGuy | The Juicebox thing and getting something small I can easily pack with me so I can console to hammer and have full Linux and X on. |
| 22:48.10 | RobotGuy | An OLPC might work for that, but I hate that keyboard. |
| 22:48.24 | flyback- | woot |
| 22:48.26 | flyback- | I KNEW IT! |
| 22:48.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh, no, we can work something out for that |
| 22:48.42 | RobotGuy | Actually, I think an OLPC would work if I could use an external keyboard and trackball of my choosing. |
| 22:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | why wouldn't you be able to? |
| 22:48.56 | flyback- | I KNEW IT! |
| 22:48.58 | RobotGuy | I really enjoy showing Hammer off. |
| 22:49.04 | flyback- | YOU KNOw if this keeps up |
| 22:49.17 | flyback- | the girl from hs is going to come here tell me her marriage is over and she wants to be with me |
| 22:49.20 | RobotGuy | I don't know that much about OLPC yet, but I think it could work for what I want to do. |
| 22:49.22 | flyback- | but I been here before |
| 22:49.27 | flyback- | seems like just when things start to look up |
| 22:49.29 | flyback- | crap happens |
| 22:49.58 | flyback- | hehe he already thought of using a jtag hack |
| 22:49.59 | flyback- | cool |
| 22:50.45 | flyback- | 2 new in package and I think 2-3 beat up |
| 22:50.46 | RobotGuy | If I could have plugged into the projector last night, I could have really shown Hammer off. |
| 22:50.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok can you email me just the rootfs with python? |
| 22:50.55 | flyback- | thx prpplague |
| 22:51.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK |
| 22:51.36 | flyback- | wait |
| 22:51.41 | flyback- | I think I know the dude that did that hack |
| 22:51.49 | flyback- | I bet I might have helped give him the idea :P |
| 22:51.55 | flyback- | guess I am good for something :P |
| 22:52.46 | flyback- | wonder if we can use a buffer overrun without the pic |
| 22:53.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: actually, when the nail is available , that would work pretty well for what you want to do |
| 22:53.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Sent |
| 22:53.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague, As a terminal running full Linux and X? |
| 22:53.46 | flyback- | j4k3 http://www.elinux.org/Display_Jbox |
| 22:53.48 | RobotGuy | What about display? |
| 22:53.57 | flyback- | whoops |
| 22:53.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, just plug it into a laptop and use the display and keyboard from there |
| 22:54.00 | flyback- | doh! |
| 22:54.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I do not have a Laptop. |
| 22:54.37 | RobotGuy | That's why I am looking at the OLPC. |
| 22:54.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you were just talking about getting an olpc |
| 22:55.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok as i suspected the rootfs you generated is larger than the default configuration for the hammer |
| 22:55.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Yes, I am looking at OLPC. |
| 22:55.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you'll need to tweak some values to use an image that large |
| 22:55.25 | CosmicPenguin | well - were looking |
| 22:55.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague, How can we add stuff to Hammer then? |
| 22:55.30 | CosmicPenguin | that ship has sailed |
| 22:55.44 | RobotGuy | What ship? |
| 22:55.44 | prpplague | ahh right |
| 22:55.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: XO isn't available in the US anymore |
| 22:56.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you have to change the values based on the size of image you want to use |
| 22:56.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Hmmmmm. Robert Sheer recently got one. |
| 22:56.19 | CosmicPenguin | except on ebay - but don't pay 500 bucks for one of those things |
| 22:56.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ah OK. |
| 22:56.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or simpy copy it to the jffs2 directory |
| 22:56.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague, The rootfs? |
| 22:56.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no, the application you want to use |
| 22:57.03 | flyback- | oprpp |
| 22:57.09 | flyback- | quick question about that hack |
| 22:57.10 | flyback- | or if you are one of the few with a fatjbox just put display.bin on your sd card and run. |
| 22:57.20 | flyback- | how can do you do that if the nand for linux is taking up the slot |
| 22:57.54 | prpplague | flyback-: i don't understand your question |
| 22:57.57 | flyback- | oh |
| 22:57.57 | flyback- | nm |
| 22:58.01 | flyback- | fatjbox is a hack |
| 22:58.07 | flyback- | I thought it mean't the 8 meg versions |
| 22:58.08 | flyback- | nm |
| 22:58.10 | flyback- | makes sense now |
| 22:58.27 | RobotGuy | OK, learning time.. 1) I build a rootfs with the applications I want on Hammer. 2) Tweak values for size of image (what values and where are they?). |
| 22:58.53 | RobotGuy | 3) Load rootfs to Hammer. |
| 22:59.17 | prpplague | yep thats it |
| 22:59.42 | flyback- | prpplague: I have a burned out flash reader module has a xd socket |
| 22:59.48 | flyback- | any reason I can't weld it to the jb? |
| 22:59.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague, With the first rootfs, I could not change passwords. Said it could not update /etc/shadow |
| 23:00.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sounds like the rootfs was mounted read only |
| 23:00.36 | flyback- | wait wtf |
| 23:00.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the big question is why do you need to change the password via that interface? |
| 23:00.49 | flyback- | does fatjbox eliminate the need for a xd/sm? |
| 23:00.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the password will be reset when you reboot |
| 23:01.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I am just twinking around seeing what may be broken. |
| 23:01.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: have a look at linux-2.6.22/arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-tct_hammer.c |
| 23:01.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I thought I could change the passwd permanently |
| 23:02.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only if you edit the passwd file on the root image before you upload it |
| 23:02.30 | flyback- | oh well |
| 23:02.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Ah, OK. |
| 23:02.37 | flyback- | looks liek I got of reading to do |
| 23:03.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in the mach-tct_hammer.c you'll see a struct for the flash layout |
| 23:03.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can see the current space for the "system" is 0x24000 |
| 23:03.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Can I tap into TP1 and TP2 and add a terminal block for battery power and expect everything to work right? |
| 23:03.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can see the current space for the "system" is 0x240000 |
| 23:03.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK, looking |
| 23:04.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: as long as the voltage is between 4v and 6v |
| 23:05.39 | RobotGuy | Found it |
| 23:05.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague, 6.0V batter pack @ 2800 mAH |
| 23:06.41 | RobotGuy | So 7.2V would be out of the question then. |
| 23:06.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looking at the schematic, you wont be able to use the usb host port |
| 23:06.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 23:07.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: best thing to do is use a 7805 to regulate to 5v |
| 23:07.12 | RobotGuy | Why not use USB host? |
| 23:07.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it requires 5v regulated |
| 23:07.45 | flyback- | RobotGuy: there's no conversion on the usb power pins |
| 23:07.50 | flyback- | it's straight off the jack |
| 23:07.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague, I can do that. So if I run the battery pack into a 7805, then to TP1 and TP2.. |
| 23:07.52 | flyback- | so it assumes +5 |
| 23:07.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yep |
| 23:08.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: anyway you'll need to change that value to increase the size of rootfs image |
| 23:09.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you'll also need to change the size in the bootloader |
| 23:09.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK, that's easy to do! Then I could even use my current 7.2V battery pack. |
| 23:09.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll write up some info on how to do that |
| 23:09.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 23:10.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Cool! I need to be able to figure out how big to make that value for each rootfs. Can't it be made easier to do this rather than having to change one of the .c files? |
| 23:10.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, thinking about how to do that now |
| 23:10.42 | RobotGuy | I'll pick up some 7805's and terminal blocks tomorrow. |
| 23:11.33 | flyback- | http://nooly.marshals.cz/dat/mp3/nooly&dusty_-_withmyfinalbreath.mp3 |
| 23:11.44 | flyback- | dude you can probably find a 7805 around the house :p |
| 23:12.39 | RobotGuy | All I have is a LM2937ET |
| 23:12.49 | RobotGuy | That is already allocated to fix a broken bot board. |
| 23:13.39 | flyback- | what about a 7905 |
| 23:13.49 | flyback- | someone told me once y ou could use them if you wire the circuit the other way |
| 23:14.02 | RobotGuy | I'll go with the 7805. |
| 23:14.05 | flyback- | I dunno though |
| 23:14.21 | RobotGuy | I don't want to mess with tricky wiring. KISS principle. |
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| 23:14.43 | RobotGuy | Welcome back CosmicPe1guin |
| 23:14.45 | flyback- | I understand :) |
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| 23:16.30 | RobotGuy | When I get Squeak onto Hammer, that is really going to get some looks from the SmallTalk folks, if I can get something I can console to Hammer with and have remote X display. |
| 23:17.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what specific version of the 2937 do you ahve? |
| 23:18.22 | RobotGuy | LM2937ET |
| 23:18.40 | flyback- | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/09/ces_usb_3_revealed/ |
| 23:18.42 | flyback- | nicely done |
| 23:18.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should have an extension number, i.e. LM2937ET-5 |
| 23:19.54 | flyback- | prpplague: |
| 23:20.02 | flyback- | mabye the industry is finally growing up |
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| 23:20.27 | flyback- | great prpplague this keep sup |
| 23:20.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: re |
| 23:20.39 | flyback- | pretty soon you and I are going to be like the volons and shadow |
| 23:20.47 | flyback- | and just drive off into the sunset |
| 23:20.48 | flyback- | :P |
| 23:21.13 | RobotGuy | LM2937ET-5.0 |
| 23:21.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that should work fine |
| 23:21.30 | flyback- | RobotGuy: |
| 23:21.35 | flyback- | that might even be more efficient |
| 23:21.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its limited to 500mA, but that should be plenty for you to tinker with |
| 23:21.44 | flyback- | some of the newer ldo's only need about 100mv |
| 23:21.48 | flyback- | headroom voltage |
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| 23:22.11 | RobotGuy | Curses |
| 23:22.32 | RobotGuy | OK, I will get some more of those then. |
| 23:23.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague, If I understand you, could I just copy the Python stuff to /mnt/flash ? |
| 23:24.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: as long as you copy all of the related items, yes, but for python there are lots of dependencies, so i'd just do a larger rootfs |
| 23:25.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK, how about if I just make the .size as large as it can be and leave it at that? |
| 23:25.03 | flyback- | http://presscue.com/node/38286 <--- I knew this would happen too! |
| 23:25.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that leaves you no storage space |
| 23:25.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Durn, that's right. |
| 23:25.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: setting it to something like 4096k for the rootfs should be fine |
| 23:25.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll get it all configured for you and post it tomorrow |
| 23:26.05 | flyback- | prpplague: read that |
| 23:26.06 | flyback- | pretty cool |
| 23:26.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll probably not online tonight |
| 23:26.13 | flyback- | 100 mbits over 300 feet of plastic fiber |
| 23:26.14 | flyback- | :) |
| 23:26.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague, OK. |
| 23:26.25 | prpplague | flyback-: ok , enough urls for today |
| 23:26.29 | prpplague | flyback-: don't post any more |
| 23:26.47 | flyback- | www.prppalguesux.com |
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| 23:28.24 | prpplague | later folks |
| 23:28.28 | g1powermac | cya prpplague |
| 23:28.29 | RobotGuy | Bye |
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| 23:29.11 | g1powermac | dang, he give me ops after he kicks/ban flyback, oh well |
| 23:29.17 | RobotGuy | Durn, and I have more questions |
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| 23:40.58 | RobotGuy | It did not work. :( |
| 23:52.15 | RobotGuy | Hee hee.. |
| 23:52.19 | RobotGuy | W.A.L.T.E.R., the Wheeled Autonomous Learning Terrain Exploring Rover |
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| 23:52.19 | RobotGuy | walter login: |
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