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| 00:51.01 | prpplague | Crofton: still alive? |
| 01:02.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Stock Buildroot built the toolchain fine. However, fakeroot is not building at all. |
| 01:03.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: didn't it build ok last night? |
| 01:04.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, it did not work last night - nothing worked then. |
| 01:05.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/881981 |
| 01:05.23 | prpplague | uh i thought you build something and loaded it on your hammer? |
| 01:06.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh wait, yes, I did. That was last night and I can not remember how I built it. |
| 01:06.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't know what to tell ya |
| 01:06.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what distro are you using now? |
| 01:06.35 | RobotGuy | Kubuntu |
| 01:07.09 | RobotGuy | I got fed up with Fedora when it ate itself and self destructed. |
| 01:08.23 | RobotGuy | I installed all the packages it says to on the Wiki. |
| 01:10.17 | prpplague | hmm, i don';t have a kunbuntu install to test with |
| 01:10.29 | prpplague | i'll have a look in the morning |
| 01:10.34 | RobotGuy | OK. |
| 01:11.14 | RobotGuy | If you have an Ubuntu system, that should be just as good. Kubuntu is supposed to just be Ubuntu with KDE instead of GNOME. |
| 01:12.07 | RobotGuy | I'll be out for a bit - not feeling well at all right now. :( |
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| 01:44.40 | Dr{Wh0} | Robotguy: eval: 1: libtool_args+=: not found |
| 01:44.42 | Dr{Wh0} | thats not right. |
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| 01:46.37 | sunrunner20 | hey guys |
| 01:46.39 | sunrunner20 | I need a switch type ID |
| 01:47.21 | prpplague | sunrunner20: ??? |
| 01:47.35 | sunrunner20 | hold on |
| 01:48.02 | sunrunner20 | DAMNIT |
| 01:48.06 | sunrunner20 | explorere keeps crashing |
| 01:48.10 | sunrunner20 | bbl |
| 01:48.13 | sunrunner20 | hopefully |
| 01:48.19 | sunrunner20 | won't be suprized if my motherboard just FRIED this ram |
| 01:51.27 | Dr{Wh0} | prpplague. didnt see RobotGuys entire problem history.. Has he had any success building buildroot or is this all new stuff? |
| 01:51.58 | prpplague | Dr{Wh0}: off and on, he's trying to do way too many things at once |
| 01:52.13 | Dr{Wh0} | if it is a new build and he has never successfully had it work its most probably an issue with missing or bad versions of various standard build tools for his box. |
| 01:52.20 | Dr{Wh0} | ya. |
| 01:52.26 | prpplague | yea i suspect as much |
| 01:52.37 | Dr{Wh0} | i just see that error and think its a libtools problem or something simmilar. |
| 01:52.37 | prpplague | GPSFan has built under unbuntu iirc |
| 01:52.42 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:52.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: correct |
| 01:52.54 | GPSFan | 6.06 and 7.10 |
| 01:54.18 | Dr{Wh0} | ok prob does not have libtool installed then. |
| 01:54.29 | prpplague | imho 99% of embedded dev is being able to focus on one issue at a time |
| 01:54.32 | Dr{Wh0} | is it apt-get on ubuntu? |
| 01:54.39 | prpplague | iirc yes |
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| 01:55.30 | Dr{Wh0} | i have been playing with kubuntu only because i am playing with LinuxMCE other than that i no exp.. i prefer suse |
| 01:55.43 | sunrunner20 | back |
| 01:55.44 | sunrunner20 | http://powergamingparts.com/nintendo-ds-shoulder-button-switch.html |
| 01:55.50 | sunrunner20 | any of ya'll know its name/type |
| 01:56.03 | sunrunner20 | i am NOT going to pay $8 for that part |
| 01:56.09 | sunrunner20 | even WITH shipping |
| 01:56.17 | sunrunner20 | unless its like express be there in a hour |
| 01:56.28 | prpplague | .me lookx |
| 01:56.37 | Dr{Wh0} | i have a few micro switches like that. good to have. |
| 01:56.43 | sunrunner20 | its common, I just don't what ot call it |
| 01:56.50 | Dr{Wh0} | try digikey |
| 01:56.58 | sunrunner20 | tried |
| 01:57.17 | Dr{Wh0} | hmm |
| 01:57.28 | sunrunner20 | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=US&keywords=micro+switch&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:58.01 | prpplague | actually i think we might have some at the office |
| 01:58.07 | prpplague | sunrunner20: remind me tomorrow |
| 01:58.16 | Dr{Wh0} | i know its a momentary |
| 01:58.18 | sunrunner20 | kk you'll get me a PN#? |
| 02:00.14 | sunrunner20 | ROTFLMAO |
| 02:00.17 | sunrunner20 | mouser catalog |
| 02:00.19 | sunrunner20 | 160meg |
| 02:00.22 | sunrunner20 | zipd |
| 02:00.52 | sunrunner20 | and fyi, it acctually has wings on the side to solder to the pcb for more support |
| 02:01.08 | sunrunner20 | i am NOT going to spend $150 for a new DS |
| 02:04.34 | sunrunner20 | gotcha |
| 02:05.12 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 02:05.18 | sunrunner20 | ~$2 |
| 02:06.41 | Dr{Wh0} | ok do i get a beer? |
| 02:06.43 | Dr{Wh0} | http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts-kws/light-touch |
| 02:07.34 | Dr{Wh0} | 29cents |
| 02:07.51 | Dr{Wh0} | qty avail 39k |
| 02:17.48 | sunrunner20 | your off by 90* |
| 02:19.13 | Dr{Wh0} | : c ) |
| 02:20.00 | Dr{Wh0} | didnt find an exact match that one you need has 2 posts that look rigid so they are structural. most have 2 posts for support and then the contact pins.. |
| 02:23.15 | Dr{Wh0} | nothing that a little hot glue wont fix.. : c ) |
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| 02:28.10 | Dr{Wh0} | they have a version on that page that has the orientation you need. |
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| 02:49.21 | sunrunner20 | Dr{Wh0}: I've found one that does |
| 02:51.24 | sunrunner20 | just |
| 02:51.26 | sunrunner20 | nobody stocks it |
| 02:51.30 | sunrunner20 | i'll fix that... |
| 03:00.36 | sunrunner20 | hmm |
| 03:00.39 | sunrunner20 | relative to the swithc |
| 03:00.43 | sunrunner20 | there is a big "H" on it |
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| 05:50.35 | RobotGuy | Hello Tired. :) |
| 06:00.04 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 06:00.07 | Mirell | Been up for... |
| 06:00.13 | Mirell | 40 odd-some hours |
| 06:00.18 | Mirell | Trying to fall asleep currently. |
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| 14:16.58 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:28.13 | hmmhesays | for sure it is morning |
| 14:28.23 | hmmhesays | a freaking cold one at that -23F out |
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| 14:31.10 | prpplague | ok, anyone got experience doing softfloat? |
| 14:31.13 | prpplague | on arm? |
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| 14:34.58 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague sjhill GPSFan |
| 14:35.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:35.53 | GPSFan | mornin.. |
| 14:36.43 | hmmhesays | so I'm getting some rpl_malloc undefined reference errors |
| 14:39.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: you used softfloat on arm much? |
| 14:40.27 | prpplague | hmmhesays: gotta provide alot more info for us to help. i.e. what cpu, what kernel, what build system, what c lib |
| 14:41.54 | hmmhesays | haha sorry I typed that then got to reading |
| 14:42.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: no, the only time I wanted a real fp unit was on the Z1 and doing mp3 decode had to use madlib which does all fixed point stuff. I never really understood the softfloat vs netwinder fp emulation. |
| 14:43.17 | hmmhesays | I'm using uclibc version 0.9.29rc1, building for blackfin with a hacked up version of buildroot. I'm getting undefined reference to rpl_malloc and rpl_realloc |
| 14:44.26 | hmmhesays | can I paste 3 lines in here? |
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| 14:47.29 | prpplague | hmmhesays: no use pastebin.ca |
| 14:48.56 | hmmhesays | http://www.pastebin.ca/884658 |
| 14:49.10 | hmmhesays | just pasted the whole thing about rpl_malloc and rpl_realloc |
| 14:49.16 | hmmhesays | so I know whats wrong I just don't know how to fix it |
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| 14:54.04 | hmmhesays | i'm pretty new to this |
| 15:26.36 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: reminder reminder :P |
| 15:26.47 | hmmhesays | heh |
| 15:27.33 | sunrunner20 | what? he said remind him tammrow ^_^ |
| 15:31.31 | sunrunner20 | about the buttons :) |
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| 17:00.52 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 17:03.43 | SpeedEvil | The notion that manufacturers paying patent licensors doesn't affect the user is a bit too prevalent. |
| 17:03.55 | SpeedEvil | They don't just eat the cost. |
| 17:04.21 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:04.24 | SpeedEvil | And if the market is somewhat price inelastic, it doesn't even matter that much to the makers. |
| 17:04.46 | SpeedEvil | And as a happy accident, it affects high priced makers less |
| 17:05.02 | prpplague | i just figured that kind of patent issue with 802.11 would make groklaw or slashdot |
| 17:05.03 | SpeedEvil | so in some ways they'd hope that everyone has to pay it |
| 17:05.12 | prpplague | i mean the auto-negotiation patent issue did |
| 17:05.52 | SpeedEvil | auto-negotiation? |
| 17:07.42 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: see you've made my point, hehe |
| 17:07.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080125051610202 |
| 17:10.08 | SpeedEvil | 'We're sorry, but we could not fulfill your request for /standardsblog/article.php?story=20080125051610202 on this server.' |
| 17:11.03 | prpplague | thats weird |
| 17:11.56 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: worked for me: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080125051610202 |
| 17:13.14 | SpeedEvil | really odd. |
| 17:13.27 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: still nothing? |
| 17:13.52 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:13.56 | SpeedEvil | works on another host |
| 17:22.48 | Mirell | Unproductive morning... |
| 17:36.30 | prpplague | anyone have experience with soft float on arm? |
| 17:37.05 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: seen http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199905713 ? |
| 17:39.16 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 17:39.36 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: big difference there is that they are getting 802.11 manufacturers to license the patent |
| 17:40.09 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: WIAV want everyone to license it, including manufacturers, implementors, integrators, and end users |
| 17:40.14 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right |
| 17:40.19 | prpplague | not END USERS |
| 17:40.22 | prpplague | note |
| 17:40.42 | prpplague | they have already started hitting up bigger companies like wal-mart |
| 17:40.58 | prpplague | rumor has it wal-mart settled |
| 17:41.10 | prpplague | but i only have that as a rumor |
| 17:41.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the other issue, is that the patent they are trying to use, WIAV that is, from initial research doesn't apply to 802.11 |
| 17:42.03 | prpplague | or atleast not to 802.11a/b/g |
| 17:42.32 | SpeedEvil | On my understanding I somewhat disagree with that. |
| 17:42.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh? |
| 17:42.56 | SpeedEvil | At least some of the claims seem to be applicable to 802.11 if read in a really perverse way |
| 17:43.14 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: some, but it has to be all for it to apply |
| 17:43.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the big thing is that 802.11a/b/g never sends a message back to a central server when changing AP's |
| 17:44.36 | SpeedEvil | As I understood it, if any claim applied, you could claim - all did not have to apply |
| 17:44.48 | SpeedEvil | claim infringement that is |
| 17:45.00 | prpplague | i don't see how that is correct |
| 17:46.17 | SpeedEvil | wiav wifi reveals very, very few hits |
| 17:46.20 | SpeedEvil | google |
| 17:47.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 17:47.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: having only a portion of the patent apply, doesn't make sense |
| 17:48.14 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: special when the portion that doesn't apply is the core of the patent |
| 17:49.17 | SpeedEvil | Ok - that disagrees with me |
| 17:49.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 17:49.40 | SpeedEvil | http://www.chillingeffects.org/patent/faq.cgi |
| 17:49.49 | SpeedEvil | sorry, forgot to paste |
| 17:50.04 | SpeedEvil | And as an aside - you expect patents to make sense!!! |
| 17:50.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:50.22 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:50.39 | prpplague | just wish we could get more discussion going on about it |
| 17:51.34 | SpeedEvil | Is there anywhwhere a nice 'this is what they are doing' 'this is why I don't think it does' 'this is why it is bad' page anywhere? |
| 17:51.47 | SpeedEvil | s/does/does apply/ |
| 17:52.28 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i'm sorry i didn't understand your question |
| 17:53.02 | SpeedEvil | I mean a nice simple page showing the problem with what wiav are doing, in maybe one page |
| 17:53.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no |
| 17:53.54 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: thats part of the whole problem, wiav simple states, you are in violation of these two patents by using 802.11a/b/g |
| 17:54.29 | SpeedEvil | Might be an idea to write one - if people can point to a simple explanation, with the more complex stuff linked off them, it's more likely that they'll refer other people to it, ratehr than if it's a long blog entry |
| 17:55.18 | SpeedEvil | I mean a general comment on why each patent doesn't apply, rather than a specific response to (absent) detailed argument as to why it does. |
| 17:55.31 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: it doesn't get more simple than "WIAV claims that the two patents they hold are essential parts of the 802.11 spec and want people to pay licenses for it" |
| 17:56.53 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: "anyone using a 802.11a/b/g mobile device, will require a license from WIAV" |
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| 18:10.24 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:10.32 | sunrunner20 | i just talked w/ somebody at my school's rocket club |
| 18:10.33 | SpeedEvil | right. I know that, you know that, but to spread the word, a nice simple page saying that, and maybe going into details as to why it's silly may be a good idea |
| 18:10.59 | sunrunner20 | I gave them the idea to put a juicebox in their rocket |
| 18:11.21 | SpeedEvil | Containing links to things explaining that all the claims of a patent must apply - the above link - links to the patents, ... |
| 18:12.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well i can't do a whole lot |
| 18:12.56 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: as i am a party to the litigation |
| 18:13.17 | SpeedEvil | You mean you can't put up a webpage like that? |
| 18:13.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure of the legalities |
| 18:13.51 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:13.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:14.21 | SpeedEvil | Can you say what money they are looking for? |
| 18:14.30 | prpplague | sorry no |
| 18:14.39 | prpplague | but its pretty hefty |
| 18:15.17 | SpeedEvil | hefty as in "we can't make x profitably'? |
| 18:16.38 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no, its reasonable in that aspect, but its not reasonable in the fact we expect the 802.11 wifi manufacturer to handle such licenses |
| 18:16.57 | SpeedEvil | Ah, I see. |
| 18:17.09 | SpeedEvil | Not them getting several bites at the same cherry |
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| 18:20.58 | SpeedEvil | http://stockgroup-frame.10kwizard.com/filing.php?doc=1&attach=ON&ipage=5035544&repo=tenk - 'terabeam sells two patents for 2.5m' |
| 18:22.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yep |
| 18:23.15 | prpplague | acutally terabeam sold 4 patents |
| 18:23.25 | prpplague | 2 are covered under LOA's from IEEE |
| 18:24.04 | prpplague | the other 2 , the ones they are asserting are essential to 802.11 , were part of the metricom network stuff |
| 18:24.13 | SpeedEvil | So are hopefully useless unless they can break the LOA |
| 18:25.07 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well that goes back to the auto-negotation article, the FTC and IEEE got a rulling, that the LOA's can't be revoked |
| 18:25.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: its just the 2 that aren't covered under LOA's that are of an issue |
| 18:26.28 | SpeedEvil | Unless they invoke the evil twin defence :) |
| 18:26.57 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 18:27.42 | SpeedEvil | 'it was my evil twin that signed the LOA' |
| 18:28.10 | chouimat|work | loa? |
| 18:28.58 | prpplague | letter of assurance, basically a promise to never enforce the patent |
| 18:29.25 | chouimat|work | ok |
| 18:29.27 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: againg that goes back to the FTC cause i posted |
| 18:30.33 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: At issue was whether a licensing promise made by a patent-owning participant in a standards development process is binding upon someone that later owns the same patent. In a split 3 ? 2 decision, the FTC has ruled that it does, when the later owner exploits the ?lock in? of the marketplace by dramatically increasing the cost to license the patent in question. |
| 18:31.10 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: basically it means the LOA can not be revoked |
| 18:32.29 | SpeedEvil | I know - I was making the silly point that if they claimed the original signing was fraudulent, and not by them... Sorry, not a serious point. |
| 18:34.43 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if the hypothetical person who must be unable to make the 'obviousness' test is your average man on the street, or someone with an appropriate IQ to the profession. |
| 18:35.06 | SpeedEvil | unable to concieve of the patents solution to a problem that is. |
| 18:35.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: you know the answer to that, most of the judges have no clue |
| 18:35.56 | SpeedEvil | A hell of a lot of the patents linked off those ones seem _deeply_ obvious to me. |
| 18:36.46 | SpeedEvil | I mean. Once you get the idea of a mesh network, the idea that you might want to optimise the mesh based on radio charachteristics falls out trivially |
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| 18:53.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nope, no time, got a ton of work to do |
| 18:53.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: maybe this evening |
| 18:53.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I guess I will just put hammer on hold for now then. |
| 18:54.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, not exactly sure why you are having so much trouble, none of the other folks have having any troubles |
| 18:55.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: GPSFan does regular builds under ubuntu |
| 18:55.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: the test for obviousness is supposed to be " must not be obvious to one skilled in the art " unfortunately the patent examiners are neither skilled in the art nor do they consult with any that are. |
| 18:55.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 18:56.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: from reading the patent, i don't dispute that it is reasonable patent, i just don't think it applies to 802.11a/b/g |
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| 18:57.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: and in the worst case, if it did, the oem 802.11 device manufacturer should be responsible for getting the license |
| 18:57.27 | GPSFan | prpplague: and even if it does apply to 802.11a/b/g or any other wireless newtwork implementation, you (aml) are not the proper target. |
| 18:59.52 | GPSFan | it's almost like if GM has a patent on the v8 and ford uses v8's in their cars, and gm wants $ for a licence. do they sue the drivers of the fords? or the ford dealerships? |
| 18:59.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Maybe I am just stupid and can't do this. |
| 19:00.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: naw, no need to beat yourself up, just need to stick with some common items and start there |
| 19:02.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am. |
| 19:03.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: maybe you should set up an ssh shell and let me log in |
| 19:07.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can do that. |
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| 21:15.39 | Mirell | You can doooo it |
| 21:36.09 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 21:36.21 | prpplague | Mirell: getting settled in at work? |
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| 22:06.01 | Mirell | prpplague: Yeo |
| 22:06.06 | Mirell | prpplague: Pretty easy. |
| 22:11.32 | landley | There's no way to read the backscroll when you're not logged on, is there? |
| 22:19.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:19.53 | RobotGuy | Here goes a new buildroot build for me.. Batten down the hatches! |
| 22:20.03 | prpplague | i guess landley didn't realize the http://ibot.rikers.org/%23edev/ is there |
| 22:20.06 | RobotGuy | Completely stock. |
| 22:21.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: two items |
| 22:22.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: make sure you change the fakeroot version to 1.9.1 |
| 22:22.26 | RobotGuy | Oh drats. OK, will do that. Didn't know you did that. |
| 22:23.24 | RobotGuy | OK, did that. |
| 22:23.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you'll also get an error for a missing root/usr/lib dir |
| 22:23.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Fatal? |
| 22:23.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just make that dir and restart make |
| 22:24.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea it will halt the build |
| 22:24.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: after it halts, just do a mkdir |
| 22:24.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and restart make |
| 22:24.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I think I already have that in my Samsung/Hammer configs. |
| 22:24.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i've already corrected it in my build |
| 22:25.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are using stock build, you won;t have your custom configs |
| 22:25.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I copied them over already. :) |
| 22:25.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then you don't have a stock build |
| 22:26.02 | RobotGuy | They are all in target/device/Samsung/Hammer |
| 22:26.15 | RobotGuy | Picky picky. ;) |
| 22:26.35 | prpplague | being picky is the difference between working and not |
| 22:29.08 | sunrunner20 | hmm |
| 22:30.03 | sunrunner20 | aww |
| 22:30.15 | sunrunner20 | dad won't let me take apart the speakers from my sisters car yet |
| 22:31.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This is JUST the stuff from Samsung/Hammer I am talking about. |
| 22:32.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe, every item like that adds another reason for failure, you should always start from a known good condition |
| 22:33.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I fail to see how the stuff in the Samsung/Hammer dir is going to affect the build of a toolchain. |
| 22:34.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok your call |
| 22:35.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, if there is a problem, tell me what it is. |
| 22:35.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats just it, you don't know if it is a problem |
| 22:36.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Just telling me it can affect something is NOT good enough - you have to tell me HOW it can affect something. |
| 22:36.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: again, you don't know if it will or not, let me give you an example |
| 22:36.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you start with a stock build |
| 22:37.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it builds, you load it on the hammer , and everything works |
| 22:37.57 | sunrunner20 | cmon mouser |
| 22:38.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you then do a few things, you turn on python, you add a couple of libraries, you add some shell scripts, and change the size of the initrd |
| 22:38.02 | sunrunner20 | give me my special order... |
| 22:38.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you do the build, load it on the hammer, it doesn't work |
| 22:38.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: now, which of the items you added has created the problem? |
| 22:38.48 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 22:39.26 | RobotGuy | Give me an example of how something in Samsung/Hammer can affect buildroot, which is what I am doing at the moment. |
| 22:39.31 | sunrunner20 | LOL |
| 22:39.36 | sunrunner20 | its as bad as I thought |
| 22:39.55 | RobotGuy | I am just building the buildroot, nothing else. |
| 22:40.05 | sunrunner20 | the repair site wants $9 for the switch, order it from quest components... $.09 |
| 22:41.41 | sunrunner20 | oh god |
| 22:41.47 | sunrunner20 | I have to order $5 worth of them |
| 22:41.48 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 22:41.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i can't give you a specific example for that directory, but thats not really the point i'm making |
| 22:42.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are making a point that does not apply to what I am doing right now - building the toolchain and buildroot. |
| 22:42.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 22:43.55 | RobotGuy | When I am building software to go on Hammer, I only add one package at a time. Otherwise I would not know what broke the build if there was a problem. |
| 22:44.13 | ds2 | take a chance, add them all at once... it may even work! |
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| 23:08.07 | sunrunner20 | hey |
| 23:08.13 | sunrunner20 | is there flux thats conductive? |
| 23:09.14 | SpeedEvil | sort-of |
| 23:09.25 | SpeedEvil | non no-clean flux may be sort-of conductive |
| 23:09.41 | SpeedEvil | especially in high humidities |
| 23:36.49 | cajaka | ~ping |
| 23:36.49 | purl | pong |
| 23:37.47 | sunrunner20 | hmmm |
| 23:38.15 | sunrunner20 | the only can of freez spray I have is R12 >_> (big CFC) |
| 23:39.02 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 23:39.09 | sunrunner20 | I can flip my can of air upside down |
| 23:39.27 | ds2 | dry ice chips? |
| 23:39.55 | sunrunner20 | way to small |
| 23:42.07 | sunrunner20 | hmmm |
| 23:42.20 | sunrunner20 | how to protect a joint |
| 23:42.21 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 23:42.22 | sunrunner20 | i know |
| 23:42.25 | sunrunner20 | steak knife |
| 23:42.31 | sunrunner20 | solder just HATES steel |
| 23:43.21 | SpeedEvil | Not really that badly |
| 23:43.32 | SpeedEvil | if you use flux, build up a blob, and then scrub it a bit |
| 23:43.41 | SpeedEvil | It _really_ hates stainless |
| 23:43.51 | sunrunner20 | well, this is stainless |
| 23:43.52 | sunrunner20 | which |
| 23:43.59 | sunrunner20 | is why i'm goinging to use it to prevent a short |
| 23:44.01 | sunrunner20 | but |
| 23:44.02 | sunrunner20 | first |
| 23:44.06 | sunrunner20 | put DS back together and use |
| 23:47.04 | Mirell | Sweet, lovely home. |
| 23:53.35 | sunrunner20 | thats f'd up |
| 23:53.37 | sunrunner20 | the switch |
| 23:53.40 | sunrunner20 | seems ot be working now |
| 23:53.44 | sunrunner20 | if it gets flaky again |
| 23:53.49 | sunrunner20 | i'll replace it |