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| 00:30.25 | prpplague | any word from cosmic? |
| 01:12.13 | prpplague | "Um - wow. I just saw the head for an instant. We haven't started to push yet, but apparently the baby is very low." |
| 01:12.28 | prpplague | leave it to cosmic to post to his blog from the hospital |
| 01:16.18 | ds2 | bio_fork()? |
| 01:16.27 | prpplague | indeed |
| 01:16.39 | prpplague | http://crouse-house.com/ |
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| 01:27.01 | prpplague | Jordan and Stacee are overjoyed to welcome Lynzee Jo Crouse to the world. Born 5:21 PM on January 30, 2008. 7.3 ounces and 19 inches long. Mom and daughter are doing excellent. Much love to everybody. |
| 01:32.17 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 01:56.32 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 02:03.47 | Mirell | prpplague: The one advantage to this current job is I get to really learn SQL. |
| 02:05.16 | Mirell | Eh? |
| 02:05.29 | prpplague | yea the one good thing about be a POW is you get to learn about torture |
| 02:05.36 | Mirell | Eh. |
| 02:05.39 | Mirell | I like SQL. |
| 02:05.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:05.55 | Mirell | Better than seeing what Rob does with flat-text files and a Python script when you have to maintain it. |
| 02:06.01 | prpplague | Mirell: just a joke, many different areas of software |
| 02:06.02 | Mirell | Since landley thinks SQL is stupid. |
| 02:06.12 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 02:06.35 | Mirell | It's definitely a good resume booster. |
| 02:06.37 | prpplague | i'm a sqlite fan, most of the benefits of sql with the familiarity of using a flat files |
| 02:06.54 | Mirell | prpplague: Yah, but landley wants to do it in hashes in Python. |
| 02:07.10 | Mirell | Despite how many people have tried to convince him this utterly would not scale, he's oblivious. |
| 02:07.38 | prpplague | sometimes its like that |
| 02:08.24 | prpplague | thats the beauty of open coding environments, you get to see what other people prefer |
| 02:08.32 | Mirell | True, true. |
| 02:08.44 | prpplague | Mirell: go ahead, ask me what i'm reading and learning about |
| 02:09.00 | Mirell | But you can hire Joe Smith who's a SQL expert easily, and put him to work really soon, whereas his method, not so much. |
| 02:09.03 | Mirell | prpplague: Wazzat/ |
| 02:10.08 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL/S |
| 02:10.35 | prpplague | <Mirell> It's definitely a good resume booster. |
| 02:10.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:10.52 | prpplague | riiiiigggghhhhttt |
| 02:11.23 | prpplague | no sir, i don;t have any experience with .NET, but i do know how to programs HAL/S for the space shuttle...... |
| 02:12.17 | Mirell | Uh. |
| 02:12.25 | Mirell | That comment by me was in regards to SQL. |
| 02:12.38 | prpplague | Mirell: i was using it as a joke with regards to the hals |
| 02:12.43 | Mirell | I know. |
| 02:12.48 | Mirell | I'm not that dense. ;) |
| 02:13.03 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe sorry, i'm very tired |
| 02:13.13 | Mirell | One thing I've noticed about a day job doing boring programming, |
| 02:13.25 | Mirell | I don't have any enthusiam to do any coding when I get home. |
| 02:14.10 | Mirell | Or at least not currently. |
| 02:14.19 | Mirell | I get so tired translating manager-speak at work. |
| 02:14.39 | Mirell | When you go from developer -> Manager -> SysAdmin, bad things happen. |
| 02:14.46 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:15.01 | prpplague | Mirell: i'm freaky that way |
| 02:15.25 | Mirell | prpplague: Not really, I did boring programming at UT, just different schedule. |
| 02:15.25 | prpplague | Mirell: the space related coding is as far from every day coding as i can get |
| 02:15.42 | prpplague | Mirell: but still interesting |
| 02:15.52 | Mirell | prpplague: Ayup. |
| 02:16.56 | prpplague | we've had some mangerial changes at AML in the last 6 months or so, and things are pretty tense today |
| 02:19.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Howso? |
| 02:20.31 | prpplague | Mirell: previosly at AML, the EE was basically the Engineering manager |
| 02:20.38 | prpplague | Mirell: but without the title |
| 02:20.50 | Mirell | I'm still amused at my title. |
| 02:20.53 | prpplague | Mirell: and as long as we respected the EE, that worked well |
| 02:20.56 | Mirell | "System Development Specialist" |
| 02:20.58 | Mirell | Ahh. |
| 02:21.22 | prpplague | Mirell: problem is that the EE we have now, is not respected, so the entire engineering department is pretty much leaderless right now |
| 02:21.36 | prpplague | Mirell: and the current project is headed for certain disaster |
| 02:21.41 | Mirell | Oh dear. |
| 02:21.52 | Mirell | prpplague: I think that way now with a new contract ACS signed. |
| 02:22.24 | Mirell | They're going to do EDC (Electronic Disbursement Card, a la checkcard albeit without a bank account) for Social Security. |
| 02:22.37 | Mirell | They have 60ish days to develop a brand new system to do this. |
| 02:22.39 | prpplague | oh lordy |
| 02:22.55 | Mirell | I'm staying the hell away from it. |
| 02:23.11 | prpplague | SS scams are pretty darn inventive about circumventing that kind of stuff |
| 02:23.20 | Mirell | Well, geeze. |
| 02:23.27 | prpplague | 60 days isn't enough to secure that |
| 02:23.40 | Mirell | It's not secured now for EBT/EDC |
| 02:23.59 | prpplague | lovely |
| 02:24.00 | Mirell | Managers want reports with SSNs and whatnot, and don't understand anything more complex than a passworded ZIP file. |
| 02:24.21 | Mirell | Oh, EBT/EDC bank/whatnot, is secured at least with SSH/SFTP |
| 02:24.24 | Crofton | prpplague, you mean 7.3 lbs? |
| 02:24.27 | Mirell | But internally? |
| 02:24.33 | Mirell | Passworded ZIP files. |
| 02:24.38 | prpplague | lovely |
| 02:24.50 | prpplague | Crofton: that was a quote from cosmic |
| 02:25.09 | Mirell | I wish I could make them implement an internal keyserver with PGP, linked to the Exchange LDAP server. |
| 02:25.13 | Crofton | yeah, I went to the blog, he said lbs |
| 02:25.36 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, probably updated it since i just did a c-n-p |
| 02:25.42 | prpplague | Crofton: evening btw |
| 02:25.46 | Crofton | heh |
| 02:25.57 | Mirell | prpplague: But the thing that keeps pretty much all of the people from doing SSN theft and whatnot, |
| 02:26.08 | Mirell | prpplague: The people whose numbers we could get, have little to no money. |
| 02:26.37 | Mirell | prpplague: And their credit is shot to hell |
| 02:27.16 | Mirell | prpplague: Thank god we don't do EFT/ACH stuff. |
| 02:27.21 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed, i meant that alot of the SS and food stamp scammers develop ways to get cards/money for people who are dead , or in the hospital comotose |
| 02:27.44 | Mirell | prpplague: Basically all we do is manage real-time transactions. |
| 02:28.03 | Mirell | prpplague: It's not our problem if the state screws up with who should get food stamps or whatnot. |
| 02:28.26 | Mirell | Get the data from the state, do real-time transactions, and send a batch file to the bank at the end of the day. |
| 02:29.09 | prpplague | yea, the question is, how much authentication is actually being done on the transaction |
| 02:29.30 | Mirell | EBT is PIN-based transaction. |
| 02:29.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:30.17 | Mirell | EDC is piggy-backed off the MC/Visa networks, but still gets to us. |
| 02:30.18 | prpplague | although there are ways around that, hehe |
| 02:30.25 | Mirell | prpplague: Of course. |
| 02:31.06 | Mirell | prpplague: Most of the reports I've had to run this week are for fraud investigations. |
| 02:31.17 | prpplague | fun |
| 02:31.18 | Mirell | Especially for one little Wal-Mart in Ohio. |
| 02:31.28 | Mirell | Some shady folks there, apparently. |
| 02:31.58 | Mirell | But yah, for a fresh-out-of-college job, I could definitely have worse. |
| 02:32.14 | prpplague | Mirell: interesting thing, alot of POS terminals have the cc data transmitted from the pin device to the POS encrypted, but from the POS to the server are clear text |
| 02:32.23 | Mirell | prpplague: I know. |
| 02:32.29 | Mirell | prpplague: I set up merchant processing for Linucon. |
| 02:32.32 | MonMotha | that's intelligent |
| 02:32.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 02:32.58 | Mirell | prpplague: The Tranz330 sends things using the VisaNet or whastever protocol plain-text, albeit for the PIN pad. |
| 02:33.18 | Mirell | prpplague: The PIN pad we had, had a built-in private key, that was only decrypted at Visa/MC/whoever's servers. |
| 02:33.36 | prpplague | oh thats nice |
| 02:33.42 | MonMotha | and my bathroom now smells like a swimming pools |
| 02:33.45 | Mirell | prpplague: And had hardware-level anti-tampering stuff. A la, you take it apart, it goes boom. |
| 02:33.49 | MonMotha | but there's no more mold/mildew |
| 02:33.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
| 02:33.54 | MonMotha | or at least very little |
| 02:34.04 | Mirell | prpplague: So for PIN based transactions, it was pretty secure. |
| 02:34.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: stop letting the hookers shower there and it wouldn't stink |
| 02:34.14 | MonMotha | well, it had been a while since I'd seriously cleaned the thing |
| 02:34.31 | MonMotha | prpplague: heh, naw, just a matter of not having done a good cleaning job in several months |
| 02:34.36 | MonMotha | it actually didn't smell |
| 02:34.40 | MonMotha | just very dirty |
| 02:35.14 | prpplague | Mirell: whats cookin in austin this week? |
| 02:36.36 | prpplague | Mirell: for kicks i used to be part of an IBM unix feedback group |
| 02:36.56 | prpplague | Mirell: they'd pay for us to come to austin , eval the products and provide feedback |
| 02:37.08 | prpplague | Mirell: kind of like a mini vacation hehe |
| 02:37.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: you read over that plastics url i sent?? |
| 02:37.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: I did |
| 02:37.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: hehe |
| 02:37.50 | prpplague | MonMotha: helpful? |
| 02:37.56 | MonMotha | yeah, to an extent |
| 02:38.22 | prpplague | its mainly a guick start with gotcha's listed |
| 02:38.24 | MonMotha | doesn't really give much of a hint as to things like "well, if you do that you can't get it out of the mold", but lots of other useful info |
| 02:38.43 | MonMotha | unfortunately, we don't have any 3d CAD programs at work and aren't likely to buy any |
| 02:39.04 | prpplague | yea that's a big draw back |
| 02:39.16 | prpplague | allebra will work but solid works is the standard |
| 02:39.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: hey, question, how big is your engineering section? |
| 02:40.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: hardware or software, or both? |
| 02:40.07 | prpplague | both |
| 02:40.46 | MonMotha | combined, 5 |
| 02:40.51 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:41.10 | prpplague | you have either a engineering manager or project manager? |
| 02:41.47 | MonMotha | we tend to have both a project and a tech lead |
| 02:41.59 | MonMotha | both of which are usually founders of the company |
| 02:42.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:42.17 | prpplague | no ambiguity there |
| 02:42.23 | prpplague | or question of leadership |
| 02:42.28 | MonMotha | heh |
| 02:42.48 | MonMotha | well, basically the two of them both have some sort of management/lead function |
| 02:43.08 | MonMotha | one tends to tackle technical issues while the other tackles the "project" related issues like scheduling, budget, tec. |
| 02:43.11 | MonMotha | "etc." |
| 02:43.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:44.11 | prpplague | things just aren't like they used to be |
| 02:44.26 | MonMotha | well, we are small enough that those kinds of issues don't normally come up |
| 02:44.49 | prpplague | yea well i thought we were too |
| 02:45.30 | prpplague | but the new EE, i say new he's been there 7 months, basically goes in his office, doesn't check with any, and spends alot of time getting free meals from vendors |
| 02:45.52 | MonMotha | well, then perhaps he needs a talking to |
| 02:46.10 | MonMotha | I mean, you can't have 100% productive/billable time, but things need to get done |
| 02:46.18 | prpplague | thats the problem, no one has the authority to talk to him but the president of the company |
| 02:46.31 | Crofton | um free food |
| 02:46.39 | prpplague | traditionally at our company the EE has been the lead of the engineering department |
| 02:46.42 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 02:46.46 | Crofton | must have graduated with a MS or higher |
| 02:47.10 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe, naw |
| 02:47.24 | Crofton | grad school trains you to seek free food |
| 02:48.00 | MonMotha | undergrad was good enough at that for me |
| 02:48.09 | prpplague | Crofton: funny thing though, he asked a bunch of the other engineers yesterday if they wanted to go to lunch with this vendor, and i was acted totally flabergasted that no one was interested |
| 02:48.27 | Crofton | hahaha |
| 02:48.28 | prpplague | s/i/he |
| 02:48.32 | Crofton | free food man |
| 02:48.49 | prpplague | hehe not one of 10 engineers went |
| 02:49.06 | Crofton | we have talks and they hand out pizza so people show up |
| 02:49.17 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:49.18 | Crofton | the bold guys grab pizza and leave :) |
| 02:51.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea i know you can't have 100% billable time, thats not really my point, it seems he's more interested in using parts from vendors that he's getting free lunches from, than designing a product that works well for aspects of the engineering department |
| 02:52.09 | prpplague | just ignore me this evening, i'm terrible bitter and depressed |
| 02:52.22 | Crofton | I think you should go for the fod |
| 02:52.29 | MonMotha | prpplague: ah, that's bad |
| 02:52.44 | prpplague | it wouldn't be that bad if it had always been this way, its just that it has only been bad for like the last 3 months |
| 02:52.49 | prpplague | Crofton: hehe |
| 02:52.49 | MonMotha | I have my favorite vendors, too, but if somebody else has a part that's better, it'll get used |
| 02:52.55 | prpplague | Crofton: if it were only that simple |
| 03:02.51 | prpplague | Mirell: if you talk to landley remind him that #edev is logged on ibot.rikers.org |
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| 03:18.51 | prpplague | T0mW: hey crack daddy |
| 03:19.04 | T0mW | hello |
| 03:19.49 | T0mW | I've had it with OE |
| 03:20.08 | prpplague | Jordan and Stacee are overjoyed to welcome Lynzee Jo Crouse to the world. Born 5:21 PM on January 30, 2008. 7lbs 3 ounces and 19 inches long. Mom and daughter are doing excellent. Much love to everybody. |
| 03:20.17 | T0mW | cool |
| 03:20.18 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 03:20.22 | prpplague | T0mW: tried poky? |
| 03:21.37 | T0mW | they have a pile of "distros" in their org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro sub directory. And, I have yet to figure out who can actually use them for building anything usefull. They all seem to generate some nasty problem or other. |
| 03:22.11 | T0mW | Like the "generic.conf" distro, that sucker wants to install gnome! WTF is using gnome on a handheld?! |
| 03:22.37 | prpplague | T0mW: welcome to my complaints 3 years ago |
| 03:23.06 | T0mW | Documentation sux, IRC support sux, generally it seems to be if you are one of the people that know OE, you don't dare tell anyone else how to go about using it. |
| 03:23.30 | prpplague | T0mW: welcome to my complaints 3 years ago |
| 03:23.45 | prpplague | T0mW: you tried poky yet? |
| 03:23.58 | prpplague | T0mW: poky might be what you want |
| 03:24.07 | prpplague | T0mW: think of it as a sane OE |
| 03:24.08 | T0mW | I've built my own distro conf file and that does work, but, I would have expected to share in what others did so I don't have to re-invent things or find out "don't do it that way". |
| 03:25.04 | T0mW | maybe, I am just reluctant to change direction at this point. Almost like a wife that has her husband beating her but won't leave him: "but, he doesn't hit me as often lately..." |
| 03:25.18 | T0mW | anyway |
| 03:25.23 | prpplague | T0mW: poky is a OE based system |
| 03:25.27 | T0mW | yeah |
| 03:25.31 | prpplague | T0mW: your metadata will work |
| 03:25.47 | prpplague | T0mW: difference is that it is organized as stable system |
| 03:25.58 | T0mW | heh, what little that I've cobbled together is probably worthless anyway |
| 03:26.51 | prpplague | T0mW: its all a state of mind, and thats the problem i have with all of the build systems current in the open source arena |
| 03:26.54 | T0mW | what, PACKAGE_ARCH, PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCH, TARGET_ARCH, MACHINE_ARCH, no documentation on what those things are. |
| 03:27.36 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 03:27.46 | T0mW | then they have this wonderfull new thing called "CONFIG_DISTRO_FEED", another thing that is without documentation, but, it is important to get that set. |
| 03:28.14 | T0mW | it is total choas with those people. |
| 03:28.35 | T0mW | I don't know how they expect to attract users to OE |
| 03:28.41 | T0mW | s/users/developers/ |
| 03:29.04 | T0mW | I guess that I'll look at pokey and see. |
| 03:29.30 | T0mW | since I've thrown in the towel, I'll get your thing done tonite |
| 03:29.31 | prpplague | indeed,as divided as the US is now, the open source community is becoming as divided, difference between people are all concerned about the way "it should be done" and those who want practicality of the way things "need to be done" |
| 03:29.49 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 03:30.05 | prpplague | T0mW: you remember mallum form #elinux right? |
| 03:30.10 | prpplague | s/form/from |
| 03:30.15 | T0mW | certainly |
| 03:30.23 | prpplague | T0mW: poky is his brain child |
| 03:30.26 | T0mW | ah |
| 03:30.36 | T0mW | so is maemo, right? |
| 03:30.42 | prpplague | T0mW: to some extent yea |
| 03:30.43 | T0mW | ~maemo |
| 03:30.43 | purl | i heard maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ |
| 03:30.49 | prpplague | yep |
| 03:30.59 | T0mW | IIRC, matchbox as well |
| 03:31.15 | prpplague | T0mW: indeed |
| 03:31.24 | prpplague | T0mW: poky doesn't accept alot of patches |
| 03:31.36 | prpplague | T0mW: they keep the metadata down to a managable size |
| 03:31.37 | T0mW | haven't seen him around since he started working with / for Nokia |
| 03:31.43 | prpplague | T0mW: plus they do stable releases |
| 03:31.50 | prpplague | T0mW: they use SVN instead of monotone |
| 03:31.57 | T0mW | stable is good |
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| 03:32.01 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:32.04 | prpplague | T0mW: and they test test test test |
| 03:32.42 | prpplague | T0mW: yea he shows up in #poky sometimes, but he's a big wig this days |
| 03:33.15 | prpplague | T0mW: he started a company called openhanded |
| 03:33.33 | T0mW | I will have enough probs with apps, I don't need the metadata constantly breaking, or some A**H***E forgetting to merge his data and you end up with two datasets in the OE.mtn database. |
| 03:33.51 | T0mW | nice guy, good to see him succeed |
| 03:34.09 | prpplague | http://pokylinux.org/ |
| 03:34.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 03:34.12 | T0mW | prpplague: plus, he has mouths to feed |
| 03:34.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 03:34.46 | prpplague | T0mW: thats the thing i can't ever seem to get across to the either the buildroot or the OE folks |
| 03:34.52 | prpplague | T0mW: you need stable releases |
| 03:35.08 | T0mW | they are in their own world |
| 03:35.15 | prpplague | T0mW: you can't just scream, pull the lastest repo |
| 03:35.39 | T0mW | or, "you have to read the mailing list to find out what changed" |
| 03:36.31 | T0mW | oh, this new computer is to be dedicated to os builds |
| 03:37.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:37.53 | prpplague | i cleaned my office today, can't find anything |
| 03:37.56 | prpplague | oh oh |
| 03:38.01 | T0mW | LOL |
| 03:38.19 | prpplague | attention, anyone wanting some 3.5" tft displays, i have like 40 samples |
| 03:38.26 | prpplague | none of which we are going to use |
| 03:39.13 | T0mW | I threw a lot of sh!t out lately! Lots of stuff hit the trashcan, I got tired of stumbling over stuff and not having being able to invite friends over because I felt ashamed to let them see how I lived. |
| 03:39.27 | MonMotha | prpplague: interface on the TFTs? |
| 03:39.37 | prpplague | they are all different variations of the spark fun model http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8490 |
| 03:39.41 | MonMotha | TTL/CMOS parallel, LVDS, some form of seril? |
| 03:40.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: standard parallel stuff |
| 03:40.10 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:40.31 | prpplague | i have 2 each form 20 different companies |
| 03:40.35 | prpplague | from |
| 03:40.39 | MonMotha | woah |
| 03:40.49 | MonMotha | I actually may have a project for those |
| 03:41.22 | MonMotha | well, this is a project I'd get paid for :) |
| 03:41.32 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm sure your hookers don't like being refered to as junk |
| 03:41.34 | MonMotha | prpplague: any info on low volume pricing if I were to need to source them? |
| 03:41.35 | T0mW | that is a "good thing" |
| 03:41.50 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: throw them in a box, take a picture and jam on ebay? |
| 03:42.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i only have authorization to give them away |
| 03:42.14 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 03:42.26 | MonMotha | prpplague: I'd be interested in a few |
| 03:42.34 | MonMotha | I actually have a perfect use for them in mind |
| 03:42.36 | T0mW | yeah, company policy thing to reduce corruption |
| 03:42.43 | T0mW | :P |
| 03:42.43 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i can give you contact info for OEM supplies |
| 03:42.47 | SpeedEvil | I'd be interested in a couple, but don't know how shipping'd work, so possibly not. |
| 03:43.05 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what would be an issue on shipping? |
| 03:43.07 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 03:43.48 | prpplague | yikes i didn't know you were in the UK |
| 03:43.53 | MonMotha | yeah, I'm in the US |
| 03:43.58 | MonMotha | just chuck them in a Priority mail box |
| 03:44.25 | prpplague | MonMotha: send me an email danders@amltd.com |
| 03:44.34 | MonMotha | prpplague: ok |
| 03:44.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: any other goodies you looking for? |
| 03:44.42 | MonMotha | would I be able to source these in ~100-250 qty? |
| 03:44.49 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:44.49 | MonMotha | possibly as low as 50 |
| 03:44.51 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:45.02 | prpplague | one stop displays is the one i'll send ya |
| 03:45.07 | prpplague | they do low volume |
| 03:45.09 | MonMotha | ok |
| 03:45.22 | MonMotha | I have a client who wants a fancy touchscreen interface for the front of his server |
| 03:45.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: need some connectors too? |
| 03:45.29 | MonMotha | we were thinking of a PSP type LCD, but they are expensive |
| 03:45.39 | MonMotha | these seem much cheaper, at least if sparkfun's pricing is any indication |
| 03:45.46 | MonMotha | prpplague: well, I don't have a design yet :) |
| 03:45.52 | MonMotha | but yeah, I'll probably need the flex cable connector |
| 03:45.59 | prpplague | uh just a note, the samples i have do not have TS |
| 03:46.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: i say that i think i have a couple with ts |
| 03:46.39 | MonMotha | that would be nice |
| 03:46.50 | MonMotha | I presume there is a standard resistive 4 wire touchscreen available? |
| 03:47.03 | MonMotha | I don't need one at this stage. I mostly just need to get the digital interface worked out |
| 03:47.07 | MonMotha | for the display |
| 03:47.14 | MonMotha | and see if it's feasible from a pricin point of view |
| 03:47.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: indeed |
| 03:47.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: $30 range |
| 03:48.13 | MonMotha | for the display w/ or w/o TS? |
| 03:48.19 | prpplague | MonMotha: with |
| 03:48.31 | prpplague | or atleast thats what they quoted |
| 03:48.34 | MonMotha | oh, that's not bad at all |
| 03:48.39 | T0mW | hmm, seems like it would be to my advantage to install ubuntu to use poky properly |
| 03:48.41 | T0mW | ? |
| 03:48.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: send me an email with your shipping info including a phone number |
| 03:49.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll fix up a fun box |
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| 03:49.23 | MonMotha | prpplague: ok |
| 03:49.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i've head that, but my fedora box works well enough |
| 03:49.33 | MonMotha | any reason you need the ph#? |
| 03:49.43 | MonMotha | I don't have a good number to give |
| 03:49.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: usually ups/fedex likes a phone number in case they can;t find the address |
| 03:49.57 | T0mW | I've mandriva here, but, with the new box it may be time to explore to see what ubuntu is about. |
| 03:50.16 | MonMotha | prpplague: hum, can you priority it USPS? That's a LOT easier for me |
| 03:50.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: don't want it shipped to you business address? |
| 03:50.26 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can see |
| 03:50.28 | MonMotha | this isn't for the place I work |
| 03:50.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: oh ok |
| 03:50.42 | prpplague | yea, i can do USPS, just not as easy |
| 03:50.44 | MonMotha | so I'd like to not have it shipped there. They don't mind me doing side projects, but I don't like to use any work resources for it |
| 03:50.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: np |
| 03:51.06 | MonMotha | USPS is way easier for me since I'm never home to receive the package, and the local post office is easy to get to |
| 03:51.16 | MonMotha | fedex is not, and I'm not even sure where the local UPS hub is |
| 03:51.22 | prpplague | T0mW: just be aware of the sh/bash/dash bullshite |
| 03:51.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: okie dokie, i'll ask |
| 03:52.12 | MonMotha | mailing sent |
| 03:52.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: great |
| 03:52.23 | MonMotha | if you can't do USPS, FedEx will work, but it's kinda a pain for me |
| 03:52.49 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'm sure i can get our shipping girl to do it |
| 03:53.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: do any avr stuff? |
| 03:53.30 | MonMotha | lots |
| 03:53.48 | MonMotha | I keep running out of them in my project stash as they get used up :) |
| 03:54.10 | prpplague | MonMotha: any particular model? |
| 03:54.27 | MonMotha | I'm a fan of the 8515/162, but there was a new one out that was a good size and was actually cheaper |
| 03:54.45 | prpplague | okie dokie, i'll see what we have |
| 03:54.57 | MonMotha | I tend to move with Atmel on the series. I write my library code to be portable to just about any AVR |
| 03:55.13 | MonMotha | I also go through 90USB chips like crazy for some reason |
| 03:55.14 | prpplague | i'll just make you a fun box |
| 03:55.20 | MonMotha | once I got the USB firmware working, they're actually pretty nice |
| 03:55.29 | MonMotha | heh, that works |
| 03:55.35 | MonMotha | let me know if there's anythin gyou want that I may have |
| 03:55.38 | MonMotha | I have some strange old stuff |
| 03:55.48 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 03:55.50 | T0mW | MonMotha: you have probs with that signature stuff from FedEx? |
| 03:56.02 | MonMotha | T0mW: the issue is that I'm never home when they want to deliver |
| 03:56.09 | MonMotha | so I have to pick it up in person |
| 03:56.15 | MonMotha | and that's way easier with USPS |
| 03:56.27 | T0mW | right, I had to sign a wavier with them so they would drop-off when I wasn't home |
| 03:56.36 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 03:56.47 | MonMotha | usually, when I order stuff fedex or ups, I have them ship it to work, since that's easier |
| 03:56.48 | T0mW | but, I am in a rural area |
| 03:56.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: know any nympho's that like are totally shell script freaks? |
| 03:56.54 | MonMotha | but for this, I specifically don't wnt to do that |
| 03:56.59 | T0mW | prpplague: LOL |
| 03:57.01 | MonMotha | hum, not shell |
| 03:57.06 | MonMotha | I know a perl fanatic |
| 03:57.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: perl+nympho? |
| 03:57.19 | MonMotha | no |
| 03:57.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:58.08 | T0mW | prpplague: looking to make the work atmosphere more "entertaining"? |
| 03:58.27 | prpplague | woman |
| 03:59.31 | prpplague | and after almost 4 years of trying to get a visa, i've invested way toooooo much time to trade her in on another model |
| 04:06.49 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=547546&id=745584921 |
| 04:06.57 | prpplague | T0mW: is that pic viewable? |
| 04:08.13 | T0mW | no, i have to login and don't have an account |
| 04:08.17 | prpplague | doh |
| 04:08.22 | prpplague | one sec |
| 04:10.57 | prpplague | T0mW: http://imagebin.ca/view/TI4C1dl.html |
| 04:12.35 | T0mW | prpplague: you offering her to me? 8) |
| 04:12.35 | prpplague | T0mW: only if i can trade up |
| 04:12.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:12.35 | T0mW | lol |
| 04:12.50 | T0mW | naw, keep her, you have her trained |
| 04:13.02 | prpplague | T0mW: so the other night i come home, i figure i'd play a joke on donna |
| 04:13.15 | prpplague | T0mW: so i go and set this up in the bath room - http://imagebin.ca/view/vpyNWmrd.html |
| 04:13.22 | prpplague | T0mW: she fainted |
| 04:13.43 | prpplague | had to use smelling salt to wake her up |
| 04:14.10 | T0mW | lol, voodoo |
| 04:14.19 | prpplague | needless to say, i didn't get any loving that night |
| 04:14.37 | T0mW | yeah, you had some 'plaining to do, Lucy |
| 04:14.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:15.28 | prpplague | T0mW: too bad you don't live in canada, donna has like 500000000 cousins there |
| 04:15.55 | T0mW | yeah, I like it here. warmer |
| 04:16.21 | prpplague | hehe yea well from the looks of these "cousins" you'd have plenty to be warm with |
| 04:16.58 | T0mW | maybe some of them are looking for a poor American boy to take care of? |
| 04:17.15 | T0mW | I am sure that there are |
| 04:18.31 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:27.44 | prpplague | T0mW: you've got spam |
| 04:27.50 | GPSFan | T0mW: ping |
| 04:28.03 | GPSFan | prpplague: evening dude.. |
| 04:28.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: greetings |
| 04:28.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: how's like on the back 40? hehe |
| 04:28.21 | prpplague | life |
| 04:28.32 | prpplague | ok i'm way tooo tired to be on irc |
| 04:28.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: snowy, you need some zzzz's |
| 04:29.04 | T0mW | GPSFan: scrollback and read my rant |
| 04:29.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed, i'm dreading going in to work tomorrow |
| 04:29.16 | prpplague | :( |
| 04:29.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm sure of the canadian girls would be interested in you |
| 04:30.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: have a look at the pick of what i scared donna with, hehe |
| 04:31.19 | prpplague | T0mW: check your email |
| 04:31.23 | T0mW | k |
| 04:31.35 | prpplague | cute canadian chicks |
| 04:32.00 | T0mW | fucj |
| 04:32.03 | T0mW | fuck |
| 04:32.15 | T0mW | that's gross |
| 04:32.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:32.50 | T0mW | somebody has entirely too much time on their hands |
| 04:32.55 | prpplague | indeed |
| 04:33.01 | T0mW | s/time/free time |
| 04:36.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:36.18 | prpplague | i just found a pic of donna in 1988 |
| 04:36.37 | T0mW | I put the 8Gig under test and I hit a failure, now I am trying to winnow it down to which set is bad |
| 04:36.42 | T0mW | it is new RAM |
| 04:36.54 | T0mW | prpplague: post it |
| 04:38.25 | prpplague | http://imagebin.ca/view/uFEbA-E.html |
| 04:38.47 | T0mW | Ahhhhh.... |
| 04:39.06 | T0mW | prpplague: so, my question to you is this |
| 04:39.28 | T0mW | prpplague: how did such a good looking woman ever get hooked up with you? |
| 04:39.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:39.41 | prpplague | i was typing the same exact question |
| 04:39.53 | T0mW | pretty woman seem to want to choose the ugly dudes |
| 04:40.02 | T0mW | must be a contrast thing |
| 04:40.07 | prpplague | answer, non US women have a whole different set of values when it comes to men |
| 04:40.14 | T0mW | nod |
| 04:40.45 | prpplague | if you don't go out parting every night of the week, add one point |
| 04:40.55 | prpplague | if you don't sleep around, add one point |
| 04:41.09 | prpplague | if you have a stable job, add 10 points |
| 04:41.10 | T0mW | well, they do say that aussie gals like american men because we treat them differently than the aussie men do |
| 04:41.18 | prpplague | if you own a house add 90 points |
| 04:41.46 | T0mW | prpplague: you must have the "nest" for her |
| 04:41.54 | prpplague | oh yea, donna freaked out about how american men generally open the door for women |
| 04:41.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:42.07 | T0mW | prpplague: none of this temporary abode stuff |
| 04:42.13 | prpplague | indeed |
| 04:42.26 | T0mW | women are fun |
| 04:42.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:42.57 | prpplague | well atleast from outside the US they are |
| 04:43.01 | T0mW | I was joking with my friend Patty one day and she said "Boys with their Toys" |
| 04:43.16 | prpplague | inside the US i'd have trouble getting a girl in the morgue |
| 04:43.27 | T0mW | I asked her, "what do girls like to play with", she immediately responded with "boys" |
| 04:43.39 | prpplague | places like like honduras, i might as well be tom cruise |
| 04:43.57 | T0mW | nod, but you can get seriously hurt in Honduras |
| 04:44.26 | prpplague | indeed, the only reason i know about such things is i always worked there when i was with abcs |
| 04:44.32 | prpplague | ~emulate abcsinc |
| 04:44.33 | T0mW | prpplague: I would think that a gal from Honduras would find it un-nerving not to hear gunfire at night |
| 04:44.42 | prpplague | ~emulate abcs |
| 04:44.42 | purl | if we can't sell it for 500% markup we aren't interested! |
| 04:44.47 | T0mW | heh |
| 04:44.52 | prpplague | indeed |
| 04:44.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: which rant? EE, OE, EE... ;>) |
| 04:45.05 | prpplague | T0mW: big thing for them is owning a home |
| 04:45.28 | T0mW | prpplague: me too, maybe I can do it this year |
| 04:46.25 | T0mW | prpplague: credit score is 746..793, I have some good paying jobs right now, maybe interest rates will go down some more... |
| 04:46.41 | prpplague | yea, my ex wife trashed my credit |
| 04:46.57 | prpplague | i was lucky to get the deal i did |
| 04:47.03 | prpplague | right before the home bust |
| 04:47.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
| 04:47.41 | prpplague | T0mW: any time you are ready to take a summer visit to barbados, let me know |
| 04:48.00 | T0mW | I was reading over on a forum with my credit monitoring service about paying in full at the statement close to pop your credit score upwards. I always PIF on my credit cards and carry 0 balance |
| 04:48.04 | prpplague | i'm sure donna can get you a different cousing every night of the week to go out with |
| 04:48.50 | T0mW | but, I pay at the wrong time of the month, so my credit score takes a hit becuase it looks like I am carrying several thousand $$$ in debt each month |
| 04:49.05 | prpplague | yea, its all a game |
| 04:49.09 | T0mW | nod |
| 04:49.26 | prpplague | my debit card is the best thing that ever came along |
| 04:49.32 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe after I get my house. women are expensive to own |
| 04:49.37 | T0mW | heh |
| 04:49.39 | prpplague | indeed |
| 04:49.56 | prpplague | ok, well i'm beat |
| 04:50.00 | prpplague | heading to bed |
| 04:50.01 | T0mW | "honey, if you are going to live with me, you have to keep your job" |
| 04:50.02 | prpplague | later folks |
| 04:50.07 | T0mW | later |
| 04:50.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 04:50.13 | GPSFan | night |
| 04:50.21 | prpplague | T0mW: and pay for your own car note and insurance |
| 04:50.34 | T0mW | naw, I can handle that |
| 04:50.53 | T0mW | she has to feel that I'm taking care of her |
| 04:51.06 | prpplague | and hair appointment and nail appointment and boob job and lipo and....... |
| 04:51.24 | prpplague | and on that note |
| 04:51.25 | T0mW | RIIIIGHT, she has to keep her job to buy her own clothes! |
| 04:51.31 | prpplague | later |
| 04:52.49 | T0mW | GPSFan: I am just fed up with the chaos surrounding OE |
| 04:53.48 | T0mW | GPSFan: several days of work trying to use their Angstrom distro, and some others, and hitting these nasty errors in the build. Or, just not getting anything but a blank filesystem. |
| 04:53.54 | GPSFan | T0mW: I never tried to get any support from their community, I figured if I couldn't figure it out myself it was too complex. I haven't given up yet though. |
| 04:54.07 | T0mW | GPSFan: nobody seems to want to help you or answer questions. |
| 04:55.15 | GPSFan | that's why I stuck with it the other day when you were helping me out, it was great, and thanks again, However, I didn't see any one else lending a hand. |
| 04:55.55 | T0mW | I've built stuff with OE, but I've always had to poke around and try try try until it works. That was for command line stuff, building a gui is more complex as it involves more packages, but HTF you go about it, and make it build cleanly, is beyond me. |
| 04:56.16 | GPSFan | T0mW: I got a buildroot environment set up and compiling stuff for the Z2, it's loosely based on the hammer buildroot stuff, but using more recent tools. |
| 04:56.16 | T0mW | it looks like I would have to write my own distro.conf |
| 04:57.19 | T0mW | yeah, but buildroot breaks down when you start adding new packages that don't already exist. I do like the way OE does it and they do have a lot of packages. |
| 04:57.26 | GPSFan | I still haven't scratched the surface of figuring out what all the conf stuff does. |
| 04:57.38 | T0mW | maybe after I cool off a while and have time to sulk, I'll give it another try. |
| 04:58.12 | GPSFan | no question that the OE way is "better" than the buildroot way, but... |
| 04:58.48 | GPSFan | seeing your problems, and you have built OE projects before, I'm a bit discouraged. |
| 04:58.57 | T0mW | I have a new dev box here that I am bringing up, I'll install ubuntu then poky and see how poky does things. |
| 04:59.22 | GPSFan | 7.10? |
| 04:59.26 | T0mW | yeah |
| 04:59.40 | T0mW | It is time to take a look at ubunto |
| 05:00.06 | T0mW | heh, "ubunto", was thinking gentoo when I typed that |
| 05:00.29 | GPSFan | be carefull of the dash/bash issue. It comes with sh=dash which breaks a lot of stuff. I switched to sh=bash and haven't had any issues. |
| 05:00.59 | T0mW | too many people have asked me if I've tried ubuntu, even a Ham Radio buddy has installed it just to do PSK, RTTY and slow scan |
| 05:01.13 | T0mW | ah, ok |
| 05:02.10 | T0mW | well, I am hungry and there is no food in the house... |
| 05:02.29 | GPSFan | I have a 6.07 box that I set up when 6.06 was new, and just set up a 7.10 box, both are fairly solid, adn I've been able to update some of the 6.06 packages that aren't current. ie svn |
| 05:02.34 | T0mW | I still have a few cans of beans, some bacon and an onion... |
| 05:02.54 | GPSFan | have a good dinner, cul... hope we don't get too much more snow |
| 05:03.37 | GPSFan | T0mW`food: btw did you agree to the zipit eula? |
| 05:03.53 | T0mW`food | no |
| 05:03.59 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 05:04.23 | GPSFan | night... |
| 05:29.35 | ds2 | anyone tried adding a mic to the zipit thing? |
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| 06:11.49 | landley | Bwahahahahaha! |
| 06:11.55 | landley | The distcc trick I mentioned speeds up native compiles under qemu by a factor of _seven_. |
| 06:12.13 | landley | Make 2.81 went from 2 minutes 40 seconds to compile, to 24 seconds to compile. |
| 06:12.22 | landley | Er, 2 minutes 50 seconds. |
| 06:12.29 | landley | Running ./configure is 2 minutes 40 seconds. |
| 06:12.42 | landley | Of course ./configure is slow either way, but with larger packages it shouldn't dominate quite so much. |
| 06:13.06 | landley | Still: factor of 7. Yay. |
| 06:27.17 | MonMotha | what gets me are people who use autoconf for packages that consist of a single .c/.h pair |
| 06:27.26 | MonMotha | hell, you don't even need a makefile for that |
| 06:29.19 | landley | MonMotha: I'm trying to work out how to build _the_linux_kernel_ withotu a makefile. |
| 06:29.32 | landley | Shouldn't be _too_ hard... |
| 06:29.44 | MonMotha | that might be a bit complicated, actually... |
| 06:29.51 | landley | Nah. |
| 06:29.57 | MonMotha | I'm surprised they havne't come up with their own system, though |
| 06:30.00 | landley | It boils down to a list of gcc invocations. (and ld, as, and a few other toys.) |
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| 06:30.07 | MonMotha | true |
| 06:30.09 | landley | Plus a packaging step at the end to make a vmlinux and zImage. |
| 06:30.31 | landley | I'm trying to do it in context of building the linux kernel with tinycc, which is the real stumbling block. |
| 06:30.31 | MonMotha | if you don't need to worry about configuration, you can basically run "make" but just have it output the set of commands it would run (which there's an option for, IIRC) |
| 06:30.33 | MonMotha | then script that |
| 06:30.44 | landley | I encounter some other thing tinycc cant handle, go beat on that for a bit, get back to the kernel later. |
| 06:32.10 | landley | The linux kernel has apparently gotten 859 changsets since... tuesday? |
| 06:32.22 | landley | Yeah, sounds about right for a -pre1. |
| 07:06.29 | ds2 | yes, configure is very very very very evil only libtool tops that |
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| 14:53.57 | prpplague | hmm, i've run every float test i can think of |
| 14:54.10 | prpplague | everything looks good, but squeak still fails on fp tests |
| 14:54.12 | prpplague | :( |
| 14:55.08 | prpplague | anyone know of some good FP test apps?\ |
| 14:58.00 | GPSFan | prpplague: does it fail on unsupported functions or on fp accuracy? |
| 14:58.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: not sure yet, the squeak people are totally un friendly |
| 14:58.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: still looking |
| 14:59.27 | GPSFan | sqweek/squeak... |
| 15:01.17 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:01.36 | prpplague | its a whole different realm of programmer |
| 15:01.40 | prpplague | programming |
| 15:02.20 | GPSFan | OO |
| 15:06.03 | chouimat|work | hmmmm smalltalk :) |
| 15:08.41 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you like smalltalk? |
| 15:08.58 | chouimat|work | prpplague: used to like it ... |
| 15:09.04 | prpplague | oh |
| 15:09.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: but didn't use it since university |
| 15:09.37 | prpplague | can't quite figure out whats wrong with the fp |
| 15:17.19 | prpplague | oh well, gotta put it on the back burner |
| 15:33.53 | prpplague | nail boards shoud be here tomorrow |
| 15:34.30 | chouimat|work | prpplague: cool |
| 15:34.40 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | incase anyone missed it - http://crouse-house.com/ |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | cosmic is a daddy |
| 15:38.45 | Crofton | he's been blogging from the hospital |
| 15:38.52 | Crofton | why no narrative on irc |
| 15:39.16 | chouimat|work | Crofton: :) |
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| 15:41.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.00 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:44.07 | sunrunner20 | blogging |
| 15:44.08 | sunrunner20 | every |
| 15:44.13 | sunrunner20 | few minuets hahaha |
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| 16:03.34 | chouimat|work | those specs are boring |
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| 16:21.08 | chouimat|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.30 | SpeedEvil | I wish I could laugh. |
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| 19:37.49 | ds2 | has anyone tried adding a mic to the zipit 1? |
| 19:41.36 | prpplague | ds2: microphone? |
| 19:42.52 | ds2 | prpplague: yep |
| 19:43.34 | prpplague | ds2: its been awhile since i looked at the z1, but it should be doable |
| 19:44.20 | ds2 | prpplague: so you do not know of anyone that has done it and documented it? |
| 19:44.36 | ds2 | prpplague: it seems like a nice little toy platform to test out some voip stuff |
| 19:44.37 | prpplague | sorry no, what did you have in mind? |
| 19:44.44 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:44.59 | ds2 | it is cheap, I happen to have it. 2 important factors |
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| 19:45.13 | ds2 | heh I like this post - |
| 19:45.14 | ds2 | Broadcom is legendarily difficult to deal with unless you are a mass- |
| 19:45.14 | ds2 | producer. They keep their chipset information closely guarded and do |
| 19:45.15 | ds2 | not sell to the hobbyist channel. You will extend your lifespan and |
| 19:45.15 | ds2 | sanity by choosing a different vendor. |
| 19:45.44 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 19:46.24 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:46.32 | prpplague | thats goes for marvell as well |
| 19:47.02 | ds2 | wonder how much lawsuite flak would there be if someone create a wiki page listing the big bad vendors |
| 19:47.43 | Madsy | Nah. |
| 19:48.00 | Madsy | But the vendors would perhaps take it to heart. |
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| 19:49.13 | chouimat|work | yay! the stupid phone resetted again |
| 19:50.51 | ds2 | just thought of a crazy experiment to try - 2.6 linux running in 4M RAM, no XIP, with basic support for a SIP client |
| 19:51.00 | ds2 | oh and either WiFi or some other networking |
| 20:05.08 | prpplague | ds2: thats doable, but it takes alot of work |
| 20:05.30 | prpplague | ds2: what kind of non volitale storage? |
| 20:05.36 | prpplague | ds2: standard flash? |
| 20:06.36 | prpplague | ds2: i have 2.6 running on the pixte-mm http://www.elinux.org/Pixter_Multimedia |
| 20:11.22 | ds2 | prpplague: yes |
| 20:11.34 | ds2 | prpplague: the host I was thinking of to try this is the zipit |
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| 20:42.32 | landley | prpplague: I got the distcc trick checked in last night. |
| 20:42.44 | landley | Sped up make under qemu by a factor of 7. :) |
| 20:43.00 | landley | Did absolutely nothing for ./configure, but we knew that... |
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| 21:37.41 | ds2 | HMmmm I think I see the catch with the pixter... no MMU |
| 21:44.22 | RobotGuy | No MMU = uCLinux |
| 21:46.39 | prpplague | landley: hehe coool |
| 21:46.52 | prpplague | landley: just a note: purl is ibots twin |
| 21:47.09 | prpplague | landley: this channel is logged over on ibot.rikers.org |
| 21:47.35 | RobotGuy | I got a buildroot built last night. |
| 21:47.36 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the good or the evil twin? |
| 21:47.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 21:48.09 | prpplague | ds2: yea the pixter doesn't have mmu, but the pixter-mm does |
| 21:50.54 | landley | prpplague: cool. I should read the backscroll then. :) |
| 21:51.17 | landley | How goes nail? |
| 21:51.38 | prpplague | landley: boards just arrived, we are doing assembly now |
| 21:51.51 | prpplague | landley: probably won't have anything to report untill tuesday |
| 21:51.58 | prpplague | landley: basically doing tests |
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| 21:52.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Adding my custom stuff into Samsung/Hammer now to see if it still works. |
| 21:53.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 21:53.34 | landley | cool. |
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| 21:55.54 | RobotGuy | I made a backup of Samsung/Hammer before I added my custom stuff back in. |
| 21:58.15 | ds2 | prpplague: so that puts the pixter in the same ball park as the JuiceBox |
| 21:58.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:58.28 | ds2 | now if I can only get a wireless interface on the webpal... |
| 21:58.43 | ds2 | there is always just one thing missing from these devices |
| 21:58.45 | prpplague | ds2: thats easy enough to do |
| 21:58.59 | ds2 | Oh? you know a ISA wireless card? |
| 21:59.06 | prpplague | ds2: you can get an isa to pcmcia adapter |
| 21:59.25 | ds2 | don't the webpal slot lack some functionality for the PCMCIA bridges? |
| 21:59.31 | RobotGuy | It got my Gadget Ethernet configured. :) |
| 21:59.55 | prpplague | ds2: i was able to run an isa adapter with no problems |
| 21:59.58 | ds2 | RobotGuy: does it work though? |
| 22:00.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: great sounds like you are starting to get the hang of things |
| 22:00.22 | RobotGuy | I do not have anything in /proc/bus/usb though. |
| 22:00.23 | ds2 | prpplague: I had problems with some NE2K cards and wind up getting the Kingston one that others have used |
| 22:00.32 | ds2 | RobotGuy: that's normal for gadget mode |
| 22:00.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't have the Gadget configured on the host side yet. |
| 22:01.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: shouldn't have to, most distro's have the support already in there |
| 22:01.36 | ds2 | plug it in and do 'ifconfig -a' if you see usb0, you are good |
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| 22:04.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Now to see if I can get my thumb drive mounted.. |
| 22:12.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't get the g-ether module loaded - says no such device. |
| 22:12.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: (On the host side) |
| 22:13.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you don't load g-ether on the host side |
| 22:13.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: g-ether is only for the gadget side |
| 22:17.18 | ds2 | wow I am surprise you got that far |
| 22:17.33 | ds2 | didn't know there was a suitable x86 device controller you can compile in |
| 22:18.44 | ds2 | iirc, you just need usbnet.ko on the host end |
| 22:19.54 | prpplague | usbnet and cdc_ether |
| 22:20.52 | RobotGuy | usbnet and cdc-ether are both loaded |
| 22:21.08 | prpplague | you should be good to go then |
| 22:21.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: assumming you applied the udc patch on your kernel |
| 22:21.35 | RobotGuy | There is no usb0 device. |
| 22:21.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you apply the udc patch? |
| 22:23.04 | RobotGuy | I am talking host side though. I have the gadget ethernet on the Hammer configured. |
| 22:23.57 | RobotGuy | I think I forgot the udc patch. |
| 22:24.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you don't have the udc patch, the host side won;t know the driver is on |
| 22:24.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, that is the problem then. Applying patch now. |
| 22:24.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are you going to include the udc patch into the main kernel patch? |
| 22:25.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 22:25.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, good. :) |
| 22:25.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm getting ready for updated buildroot and kernel in a few days |
| 22:26.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What new stuff will we have? |
| 22:26.11 | prpplague | not thing new, just fixes |
| 22:26.19 | RobotGuy | OK. |
| 22:26.31 | RobotGuy | We going to get the latest 2.6.24.* kernel? |
| 22:27.48 | RobotGuy | I saw the new info on the hammer devices [led(s), button(s), buzzer]. New toys. :) |
| 22:28.09 | RobotGuy | Robots must be able to annoy people. :D |
| 22:28.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no, we are sticking with 2.6.22 for now |
| 22:28.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. If that is solid, then good. |
| 22:28.44 | prpplague | yep, moving to .24 doesn't provide any benefit at the momment |
| 22:29.25 | prpplague | i'll be submitting patches for the hammer into the main line, once the core is in there, probably 2.6.26, then i'll move up |
| 22:29.45 | RobotGuy | Which core do you mean? |
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| 22:29.55 | prpplague | core support for the hammer |
| 22:30.09 | RobotGuy | We don't have all that now? |
| 22:30.30 | prpplague | ~lart RobotGuy |
| 22:30.30 | purl | hits RobotGuy with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 22:30.45 | RobotGuy | Hey, stop that! :P |
| 22:31.05 | RobotGuy | ~lart prpplague |
| 22:31.05 | purl | calls prpplague on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 22:31.10 | prpplague | i'll be submitting patches for the hammer into the main line, once the core is in there, probably 2.6.26, then i'll move up |
| 22:31.29 | RobotGuy | I saw that. I don't understand about the core for hammer though. |
| 22:31.51 | prpplague | if you download a linux-2.6.24 kernel, there is no support for the hammer |
| 22:32.07 | prpplague | i'll submit patches to the main linux tree, which if added, will be in 6 months |
| 22:32.18 | prpplague | when you download 2.6.26 it will already have hammer supprot |
| 22:32.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That would be true also of a vanilla 2.6.22, wouldn't it? |
| 22:32.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that is correct |
| 22:33.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, so the core hammer stuff won't be into the distribution kernel until 2.6.26 then. |
| 22:33.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: at the earliest |
| 22:34.14 | RobotGuy | It will be nice when we can just pull vanilla kernel sources and have full hammer support there. |
| 22:34.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: because it has to go thru so many hands to be approved |
| 22:34.31 | RobotGuy | Will the kernel go into buildroot at that point also? |
| 22:35.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in addition, there are alot of items that are not acceptable to some of the kernel guru's that live in ivory towers |
| 22:35.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the kernel will be added to buildroot soon |
| 22:35.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Sounds like some of those gurus need to be knocked down a notch or two then. :) |
| 22:35.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea well thats not going to happen |
| 22:36.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I guess Linux is not what it used to be. |
| 22:36.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats why alot of hardware vendors never submit patches |
| 22:36.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no its pretty much always been that way |
| 22:36.46 | RobotGuy | I guess I have just not been affected by it before. |
| 22:38.05 | RobotGuy | Not that I am really affected by it now either. |
| 22:38.22 | RobotGuy | Other than that hammer stuff doesn't get 'approved' soon enough. |
| 22:42.54 | ds2 | if you know the right people, things get in pretty quick ;) |
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