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| 00:10.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 00:36.29 | RobotGuy | mup oh oh |
| 00:40.16 | prpplague | well, the first nail board powered up without smoking |
| 00:41.09 | MonMotha | that's always a good thing |
| 00:41.20 | MonMotha | even more of a good thing when building power supplies :) |
| 00:42.24 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:42.49 | prpplague | should be shipping the beta's later this week |
| 00:46.11 | Mirell | RobotGuy: Seen this? http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/02/hexateuthis_robotic_hexap.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 |
| 00:48.27 | prpplague | saw that this morning, didn't see any real info about the electronics though |
| 00:48.48 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 00:52.13 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:52.31 | Mirell | I got to deal with poorly maintained/documented shell scripts today |
| 00:52.59 | prpplague | Mirell: fun fun |
| 00:53.01 | prpplague | http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G13752 |
| 00:53.11 | prpplague | got a bunch of those to test with the hammer |
| 00:53.25 | Mirell | Some of them written by people who didn't have a clue how to shell script, |
| 00:53.48 | Mirell | And others by my technically savy co-worker, but who never documents what he's doing in the scripts, and uses quite effecient, but esoteric hacks. |
| 00:54.22 | ds2 | heh... they been selling that thing forever |
| 00:54.23 | prpplague | oh i love those |
| 00:54.34 | prpplague | i love the challenge of figureing out what the hell its doing |
| 00:55.01 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 00:56.23 | ds2 | shell scripts are fun like that |
| 00:56.35 | Mirell | Eh. |
| 00:56.53 | ds2 | cat and echo bunch of stuff, change IFS around, then eval it ;) |
| 00:56.58 | Mirell | I tend to make mine quite, quite straight forward. |
| 00:57.13 | ds2 | <-- likes to write shell scripts w/o needed external command support |
| 00:57.49 | Mirell | It's different when you're doing stuff to manage ACH files that needs to be transferred to a bank via ConnectDirect, |
| 00:57.57 | Mirell | And only one guy knows what the hell this script does. |
| 00:58.45 | MonMotha | prpplague: did you get a funbox made up or anything? |
| 00:59.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, started collecting the parts today |
| 00:59.48 | MonMotha | neato |
| 01:00.16 | MonMotha | the new AVR is the ATMEGA324, btw |
| 01:00.29 | MonMotha | single qty price is only $6.21 for 32k flash |
| 01:00.38 | MonMotha | er $6.02 |
| 01:00.43 | ds2 | prpplague: you got the fb wish list written up yet? |
| 01:01.06 | prpplague | ds2: i've solved that issue |
| 01:01.12 | ds2 | ah okay |
| 01:01.12 | prpplague | ds2: testing in the morning |
| 01:01.20 | prpplague | http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G13752 |
| 01:01.20 | ds2 | prpplague: drive in DS mode? |
| 01:01.29 | prpplague | ds mode? |
| 01:01.37 | ds2 | dual scan mode instead of TFT mode |
| 01:01.41 | prpplague | no |
| 01:01.45 | prpplague | regular tft |
| 01:01.49 | ds2 | as i recall, you believe you lack the right signals |
| 01:02.04 | prpplague | for some high end tft's |
| 01:02.16 | prpplague | the main issue was the lcd data lines |
| 01:02.22 | ds2 | what about only having one set of color lines brought out? |
| 01:02.25 | prpplague | we only have the 8 red datalines |
| 01:02.56 | prpplague | the linux kernel framebuffer api has a set of variables that are normally set to format the data |
| 01:03.09 | ds2 | okay |
| 01:03.10 | prpplague | each color has an offset along with a lenght |
| 01:03.24 | ds2 | has anyone really used that? ;) |
| 01:03.35 | prpplague | yea, its used in all drivers |
| 01:03.47 | ds2 | no, I mean used that for unconventional layouts |
| 01:03.56 | prpplague | ahh, i have no clue |
| 01:04.15 | prpplague | if they have, i doubt it would ahve been accepted into the kernel |
| 01:04.20 | prpplague | ds2: no its pretty simple |
| 01:05.06 | prpplague | ds2: normally for a 24bpp config, its red.offset=0, red.length=8, blue.offset=8, blue.length=8, green.offset=16, green.offset=8 |
| 01:05.33 | ds2 | from the one time I messed with directfb, apps can get very picky on that sort of stuff |
| 01:05.34 | prpplague | ds2: so when the frame gets the color values it knows in what format to place it into memory |
| 01:05.44 | prpplague | ds2: uh they shouldn't |
| 01:05.52 | prpplague | ds2: they shouldn't know anything on that layer |
| 01:06.41 | prpplague | ds2: so for the hammer we still use 24bpp color |
| 01:06.43 | ds2 | prpplague: it knows enough to just exit silently |
| 01:06.52 | ds2 | YMMV |
| 01:07.19 | prpplague | ds2: well i can only speak of what the kernel is suppose to do, and no user space app should know about color control at that level |
| 01:08.17 | prpplague | anywayf |
| 01:08.30 | prpplague | all i did was for 24bpp change the values to |
| 01:08.41 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 01:08.51 | ds2 | just pointing out stuff I've noticed |
| 01:09.11 | prpplague | ds2: normally for a 24bpp config, its red.offset=0, red.length=3, blue.offset=3, blue.length=2, green.offset=5, green.offset=3 |
| 01:09.24 | prpplague | ds2: well if directfb is doing that, they are _wrong_ |
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| 01:10.04 | ds2 | if it works, great |
| 01:10.10 | ds2 | btw, any other open bounties? |
| 01:10.15 | prpplague | nope |
| 01:10.33 | prpplague | i've had alot of trouble getting people to do bounties in a timely manner, so that horse is dead |
| 01:10.40 | ds2 | heh |
| 01:12.16 | ds2 | as a general defense, a "board" is somewhat hard to beta test |
| 01:12.32 | prpplague | uh, no |
| 01:12.41 | ds2 | how does one beta test a board? |
| 01:12.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy has 10 times as much testing and feedback that all but GPSFan |
| 01:13.05 | prpplague | s/that/than |
| 01:13.43 | ds2 | but how does one test a board? not what info you want back |
| 01:13.56 | prpplague | ds2: plug it in and make it work |
| 01:14.13 | prpplague | ds2: very very very basic stuff |
| 01:14.34 | prpplague | ds2: i.e. what problems do you have using buildroot on ubuntu or debian |
| 01:14.37 | ds2 | prpplague: for something like the hammer, if there isn't an immediate application, I don't see how useful it is |
| 01:14.45 | prpplague | i disagree |
| 01:15.00 | prpplague | there are many very basic items that could be tested |
| 01:15.13 | ds2 | let me clarify, I don't see how useful as in how useful the hammer is. not the beta test results |
| 01:16.32 | Dr{Wh0} | seems like the reverse problem exists. too man possible uses.. |
| 01:16.50 | ds2 | prpplague: I wonder if it would have been better if you started with a qualification questioniare asking what for a usage proposal before hand |
| 01:18.08 | Dr{Wh0} | s/man/many |
| 01:18.12 | prpplague | ds2: yea we did |
| 01:19.02 | prpplague | ds2: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_HOWTOS |
| 01:19.13 | prpplague | ds2: thats the kind of stuff we were looking for |
| 01:19.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy has provided a ton of information on what breaks and whats not clear |
| 01:19.52 | ds2 | hmm |
| 01:26.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 01:29.11 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 01:29.15 | prpplague | that too |
| 01:29.23 | Mirell | I need to figure out how to VPN properly into work.. |
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| 01:32.32 | Dr{Wh0} | mirell.. define properly? |
| 01:35.46 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: Really, get the thing to work. |
| 01:35.49 | Dr{Wh0} | anyway.. i did help contribute some code to openswan i may be able to help. just yell. |
| 01:35.58 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: I haven't really read up on it, I just got a PCF file |
| 01:36.08 | Dr{Wh0} | pcf so its a cisco client? |
| 01:36.18 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 01:36.23 | Dr{Wh0} | lovely.. |
| 01:36.25 | Mirell | Theoritically I can make vpnc do it. |
| 01:36.57 | Dr{Wh0} | well just be warned some clients installed on windows can cause parts of the windows tcp stack to fail |
| 01:37.06 | Dr{Wh0} | or cause other vpn clients to fail. |
| 01:37.15 | Mirell | Uh. |
| 01:37.19 | Mirell | I don't run Windows. |
| 01:37.27 | Dr{Wh0} | good. |
| 01:38.40 | Mirell | I just wish someone had reverse-engineered MAPI by now and made a Thunderbird plug-in. |
| 01:38.49 | Mirell | Because, alas, Exchange server, without IMAP. |
| 01:39.38 | Dr{Wh0} | ya. OWA is scary too. |
| 01:39.58 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 01:40.26 | Dr{Wh0} | so where you stuck at on your vpn |
| 01:41.08 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: I tried using nm-applet-vpnc, and it just totally crashed trying to connect properly. I haven't really tried that hard. |
| 01:41.19 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: I'm not on call yet, and won't be for another month. |
| 01:41.34 | Mirell | So I'm just more or less "Eh, eventually I'll poke at it" |
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| 01:41.42 | Dr{Wh0} | should just need a tun and tap device in the kernel |
| 01:42.16 | Mirell | I was just hoping Ubuntu had a click-click *foop* done for it. ^^ |
| 01:42.19 | Mirell | Which apparently does not. |
| 01:42.38 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 01:42.41 | Dr{Wh0} | prob has openswan built in and openvpn |
| 01:42.43 | Dr{Wh0} | so it s |
| 01:42.49 | Dr{Wh0} | should have tun / tap drivers |
| 01:42.55 | Dr{Wh0} | but check that first. |
| 01:43.04 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 01:43.30 | Dr{Wh0} | that makes most of the rest of the code run in userspace so the rest is just starting the daemon |
| 01:43.43 | Mirell | I still find it amazing they use the Cisco VPN stuff, |
| 01:43.51 | Mirell | But the portmapper is a Linux box running iptables |
| 01:43.58 | Dr{Wh0} | heh |
| 01:44.23 | Mirell | I like iptables, but my typical philosophy for networking, is throw a bunch of Cisco gear at it. |
| 01:44.31 | Mirell | And it all just works. |
| 01:44.33 | Dr{Wh0} | ya most people dont want to touch vpn's they feel safer with a brand name.. |
| 01:45.11 | Dr{Wh0} | personaly once you get the basics down its not too bad. openvpn is very simple but not as secure |
| 01:45.16 | Mirell | I just wish they had a secured box with SSH. |
| 01:45.29 | Dr{Wh0} | i still prefer openswan but its a bit of a steep learning curve. |
| 01:45.30 | Mirell | Because all I ever need to do off-site is SSH into other machines. |
| 01:45.43 | Mirell | Ahh. |
| 01:46.41 | Dr{Wh0} | well if you need to go over logs or debug a problem just email me drwho at f34r dot com |
| 01:46.55 | Dr{Wh0} | i can prob figure out the logs and get it going |
| 01:47.33 | Dr{Wh0} | a cool thing you may try is to have them plant a box at there location for your work |
| 01:48.03 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: Sure, when I actually take a serious look at it. As I said, I just poked at it once, it didn't work, haven't bothered since. |
| 01:48.04 | Dr{Wh0} | this box will dial out a tunnel to you bypassing all firewall rules as its outbound that gives you a direct connect to the network |
| 01:48.26 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: Heh, doubtful. The security guy there is an idiot. |
| 01:48.49 | Dr{Wh0} | : c ) |
| 01:48.51 | Mirell | Dr{Wh0}: I'm only at my current place since they were the first that hired me out of college. Not planning on staying that long, just enough for resume booster. |
| 01:49.32 | Mirell | They still don't do internal DNS. |
| 01:49.34 | Mirell | Sigh. |
| 01:49.39 | Dr{Wh0} | wow. |
| 01:49.55 | Mirell | Yah, we have issues keeping host files up to date. |
| 01:50.01 | Mirell | It makes me cry sometimes. |
| 01:50.11 | Dr{Wh0} | i bet.. what a pita |
| 01:50.32 | Mirell | Only 23 more months to go for resume! |
| 01:51.06 | Dr{Wh0} | most of what i do for customers is a linux appliance with firwall dns vpn and oftin connect remote offices to each other via vpn's |
| 01:51.30 | Mirell | Ahh |
| 01:51.46 | Mirell | See, VPNs are great if you want to access everything a la internal, |
| 01:51.59 | Dr{Wh0} | ya good way to bridge offices. |
| 01:52.00 | Mirell | But I don't see why they don't have a simple Linux box, very secure, very minimal, |
| 01:52.15 | Mirell | That I can SSH into, then from that, ssh into all the other machines. |
| 01:52.53 | Dr{Wh0} | honestly ssh has had fewer vulnerabilities than say pluto or vpn daemons |
| 01:53.01 | Mirell | Yah. |
| 01:53.08 | Dr{Wh0} | kiss. |
| 01:53.13 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 01:53.42 | Dr{Wh0} | although like openvpn ssh tunnels can be cracked. where as ipsec can not |
| 01:53.50 | Mirell | Oh? |
| 01:54.02 | Dr{Wh0} | ya man in the middle is possible with ssh but not with ipsec |
| 01:54.19 | Dr{Wh0} | because the packet is checked for modifications |
| 01:54.32 | Mirell | That's what SSH keys are for...? |
| 01:54.45 | Dr{Wh0} | you can still be in the middle and subvert a key |
| 01:55.14 | Mirell | Not if you have it stored in known_hosts |
| 01:55.52 | Dr{Wh0} | you can receive the key passing packets and modify them and you would never know |
| 01:56.20 | Mirell | So even if I got the SSH public key from work, copied it to known_hosts and tried to SSH in, |
| 01:56.24 | Mirell | They could do a MiM? |
| 01:57.00 | Dr{Wh0} | yep. |
| 01:57.21 | Mirell | ...huh. |
| 01:57.24 | Dr{Wh0} | because i can receive your request to validte with your athority and modify that packet and send you by what i want you to see |
| 01:57.52 | Mirell | Oh, so you could hijack the session.. |
| 01:58.03 | Dr{Wh0} | correct |
| 01:58.26 | Dr{Wh0} | with ipsec you cant because the packet has checksums inside so if the outside ethernet packet is modified the inside devalidates itself |
| 01:58.37 | Mirell | Interesting. |
| 01:59.21 | Dr{Wh0} | Authentication in the VPN context involves “signing” every packet with a secure hash, so that the recipient can prove that it originated from a legitimate source. |
| 01:59.49 | Dr{Wh0} | agian this is only for the very paranoid.. to do this again you have to be direclty in the middle |
| 02:00.00 | Dr{Wh0} | and have full control of your packets.. |
| 02:00.41 | Mirell | Yah, but I've seen what ettercap can do. |
| 02:00.58 | Dr{Wh0} | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_middle_attack |
| 02:01.03 | Dr{Wh0} | look at teh substituion attack |
| 02:01.25 | Dr{Wh0} | A man-in-the-middle attack, where the attacker replaces the public keys of the sender and receiver by his/her own public key is sometimes referred to as a bucket brigade attack. |
| 02:02.03 | Dr{Wh0} | tools to do this are publicly available. |
| 02:02.22 | MonMotha | that only works if you blindly type "yes" to the prompt |
| 02:02.35 | prpplague | hehe nelson posted this on his blog |
| 02:02.43 | prpplague | I saw a bumper sticker today saying "If you're not OUTRAGED, you're not paying attention". This was on a Toyota Prius, the official automobile of the "Let's Ignore Economics and Do The Right Thing" crowd. I remarked to my wife "I'm outraged, too, but probably not about the same thing. I just want more control over my life." She quipped "Oh, no, they want the same thing as you: more control over your life." |
| 02:07.50 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 02:11.06 | prpplague | i'm so sick both sides of the isle telling me what i can adn can't do |
| 02:11.26 | Mirell | ADN? |
| 02:11.28 | Dr{Wh0} | option 3 : c ) listen to me..... |
| 02:12.02 | ds2 | prpplague: didn't know they allowed priuses in TX... thought they would all be rounded up with a shotgun and burned in a big pile ;) |
| 02:13.09 | Mirell | Eh. |
| 02:13.13 | Mirell | Austin is nice. |
| 02:13.19 | Mirell | It's not Texas. |
| 02:14.21 | Dr{Wh0} | i have a 2001 prius its ok low maintenance its a toyota.. but i still think i will build an EV and go all electric.. i just dont like putting money in oil company's already bulging pockets.. |
| 02:14.28 | Dr{Wh0} | sorry tex.... |
| 02:15.29 | prpplague | Mirell: ADN? |
| 02:15.38 | prpplague | Mirell: oh |
| 02:15.46 | prpplague | Mirell: typo of course |
| 02:15.53 | Mirell | Heh |
| 02:16.04 | Mirell | I've been reading the Daily WTF. |
| 02:16.07 | prpplague | ds2: why is that? |
| 02:16.08 | Mirell | It makes me feel better. |
| 02:16.32 | prpplague | <ds2> prpplague: didn't know they allowed priuses in TX... thought they would all be rounded up with a shotgun and burned in a big pile ;) |
| 02:16.39 | prpplague | ds2: why would you think that? |
| 02:17.07 | ds2 | prpplague: they are such pests out here |
| 02:17.17 | ds2 | seemed like the sensible thing to do |
| 02:17.26 | prpplague | ds2: sorry i don't understand that |
| 02:17.27 | Dr{Wh0} | http://www.evadc.org/build_an_ev.html |
| 02:21.05 | prpplague | ds2: i'm curious as to what you meant though |
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| 02:21.58 | ds2 | prpplague: traffic issues resulting from the combined package of driver + prius |
| 02:22.27 | prpplague | ds2: i'm totally not understanding what you are refering to |
| 02:22.58 | ds2 | might be a CA thing |
| 02:23.42 | prpplague | ds2: must be, can you explain? |
| 02:24.33 | ds2 | let see.. driving slowly on the fast lane, not yeilding and causing columns of traffic to backup; doing sudden stops cuz they want to exit the freeway while they are not on the right lane, etc, etc |
| 02:24.45 | ds2 | and there are more of them (when scaled) then there are roaches |
| 02:25.52 | Mirell | You crazy Californians. |
| 02:26.25 | prpplague | ds2: ahh, well, i think thats more of CA thing |
| 02:26.44 | prpplague | ds2: i can't say i've been aware of any of those issue specific to prius owners |
| 02:26.56 | ds2 | prpplague: could be the volume of them here |
| 02:27.10 | ds2 | it is marketed toward a certain group and members of that group drive that way |
| 02:27.28 | ds2 | the prius is an interested embedded systems experiment but I don't see it as anything more then that |
| 02:27.30 | Dr{Wh0} | i just dont like cali drivers.. they drive to fast, they tailgate, they dont know what rain is ( im in oregon ) |
| 02:27.57 | Dr{Wh0} | and most of all they are just in too big a hurry for no good reason |
| 02:28.12 | ds2 | Dr{Wh0}, how far are you away from the boarder? |
| 02:28.21 | Dr{Wh0} | i am in portland |
| 02:28.34 | prpplague | several people have hybrids at the office |
| 02:28.56 | Mirell | I have a Mustang convertible. |
| 02:28.58 | Mirell | So..uh... |
| 02:29.00 | Mirell | Vroom. |
| 02:29.40 | Mirell | Admittedly, eight years old. |
| 02:29.44 | prpplague | "<ds2> prpplague: didn't know they allowed priuses in TX... thought they would all be rounded up with a shotgun and burned in a big pile ;)" |
| 02:29.46 | prpplague | oops |
| 02:29.49 | prpplague | wrong paste |
| 02:29.54 | ds2 | =) |
| 02:29.55 | prpplague | "Texas, long the traditional home of the oil industry in the U.S. has begun to make its presence felt in the renewable energy market as well. In 2007, more than one gigawatt of wind energy capacity has been installed in Texas and the state now accounts for nearly 30% of the nation's wind production." |
| 02:30.21 | ds2 | the birdie advocates haven't complained yet? |
| 02:30.22 | Mirell | prpplague: That's out by Abilene. |
| 02:30.25 | Mirell | ds2: Oh hell yes. |
| 02:30.40 | Mirell | ds2: One of my friends works on a wind farm to analyze the damage done to birds. |
| 02:30.52 | Mirell | ds2: Out by Abilene. |
| 02:31.14 | Dr{Wh0} | my prius will go 65 heck it will go 85 even 90 but i dont want to.. and its not necessary. is it too much to ask to go the speed limit? i hate getting pushed to go faster.. for what so you can get home 3 minutes faster? |
| 02:31.25 | Mirell | ds2: The wind farms are basically forced to hire people like her. |
| 02:31.56 | prpplague | Dr{Wh0}: indeed, i hate that too |
| 02:32.00 | prpplague | Dr{Wh0}: it drives me nuts |
| 02:32.03 | Dr{Wh0} | when i am in a hurry and i come up to someone going slower i will just chill and slow down.. |
| 02:32.28 | prpplague | Dr{Wh0}: or if they aren't doing the speed limit you look for a safe time to pass |
| 02:32.33 | Dr{Wh0} | ya im guessing we will live longer if we just try to relax and be patient. |
| 02:32.37 | MonMotha | too...many...things...to...do... |
| 02:32.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:32.39 | Dr{Wh0} | yep. |
| 02:32.53 | Mirell | I still remember US-78 |
| 02:32.56 | ds2 | but do you do that on the left most lane with a column of traffic behind you? |
| 02:32.58 | Mirell | From Memphis to Birmingham |
| 02:33.02 | Mirell | I was going about 95 |
| 02:33.07 | Mirell | And a county sheriff passed me. |
| 02:33.13 | prpplague | well its alot of things, 1) i don't like worring about getting a ticket, 2) i don't need to spend my money on a ticket |
| 02:33.14 | MonMotha | hah |
| 02:33.24 | Mirell | There is literally nothing on that road |
| 02:33.26 | MonMotha | I've been blown by on I-465 while doing 25 over |
| 02:33.29 | MonMotha | and I mean BLOWN BY |
| 02:33.34 | MonMotha | the guy must have been doing 100+ |
| 02:33.34 | Mirell | Other than Memphis and Birmingham |
| 02:33.42 | Mirell | MonMotha: Except it was a freakin' sheriff |
| 02:33.51 | Mirell | MonMotha: He could have easily pulled me over for doing 30+ |
| 02:33.52 | MonMotha | Mirell: I've been passed by local cops on 465 |
| 02:33.57 | MonMotha | doing 20 over |
| 02:33.57 | Dr{Wh0} | ds2 how fast is the driver going and what is the speed limit. |
| 02:34.14 | MonMotha | though they will nail you for 30+ in most cases |
| 02:34.20 | MonMotha | that's often enough to take your license away |
| 02:34.28 | Mirell | MonMotha: Yah, which is why I was so surprised. |
| 02:34.34 | Mirell | MonMotha: Average speed on that road was 80ish |
| 02:34.37 | Mirell | MonMotha: Speed limit was 55 |
| 02:34.45 | MonMotha | it's speeding, the 2nd tier of speeding, reckless driving, and I think some sort of endangerment thing, too |
| 02:34.52 | MonMotha | and they nail you for ALL of those in terms of license points |
| 02:35.07 | MonMotha | I think you get by with your license (and a $1000 or so fine) if you have no points |
| 02:35.12 | MonMotha | otherwise they tow your car |
| 02:35.30 | Mirell | I don't even think Arkansas does a point system... |
| 02:35.35 | Mirell | My license is still from there. |
| 02:35.44 | MonMotha | you can always just get an IDL |
| 02:35.57 | Mirell | That requires you to have a driver's license from another country. |
| 02:35.58 | Dr{Wh0} | oregon is odd. you can get your license take away but you cant go to jail for driving with no license or having 50000 tickets. |
| 02:36.25 | MonMotha | Mirell: it does now? |
| 02:36.43 | MonMotha | what I'd heard people doing in the past is getting an IDL from like Canada, which will then be honored in the USA |
| 02:36.54 | MonMotha | did they fix that loophole? |
| 02:36.56 | prpplague | yea its only good for one year |
| 02:37.09 | prpplague | or atleast in texas IDL's are only good for one year |
| 02:37.27 | prpplague | and aren't valid ID for purchasing alcohol or tobaco |
| 02:37.30 | Mirell | prpplague: It's international. |
| 02:37.34 | Mirell | prpplague: The 1 year limit |
| 02:37.48 | Mirell | prpplague: I got one when I went to Europe so I could rent like a moped or something |
| 02:38.16 | prpplague | yea texas issues a IDL |
| 02:38.30 | prpplague | you have to present your DL from another country |
| 02:38.32 | Mirell | MonMotha: You have to have a license in another country, for an IDL to be valid here. |
| 02:38.35 | Mirell | prpplague: Exactly. |
| 02:38.49 | MonMotha | Mirell: then they must have changed something in the past 5 or so years |
| 02:39.14 | MonMotha | I know I was told by a driver ed. instructor that it was possible to get an IDL and use it in the USA, despite only holding a US license |
| 02:39.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: that is incorrect |
| 02:39.34 | Mirell | Indeed. |
| 02:39.40 | MonMotha | has it EVER been correct, though? |
| 02:39.45 | Mirell | MonMotha: don't think so |
| 02:39.45 | MonMotha | that was SEVERAL years ago |
| 02:39.49 | MonMotha | it's entirely possible that things changed |
| 02:39.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: you can only get an IDL with a foreign DL |
| 02:39.54 | prpplague | MonMotha: no never |
| 02:40.10 | Mirell | A coworker of my dad's, from Belgium, got out of a speeding ticket with an IDL though |
| 02:40.22 | MonMotha | prpplague: I believe the procedure was to get an IDL in another country using your US license, then use that IDL in the USA |
| 02:40.26 | Mirell | He presented his IDL, entirely in French, and his Belgium driver's license to the officer. |
| 02:40.31 | Mirell | He was so confused, he just gave up. |
| 02:40.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: that would work |
| 02:40.41 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:40.48 | Mirell | MonMotha: You've always had to present the home country's DL |
| 02:41.07 | MonMotha | perhaps it was just due to officers being lax and/or not knowing how to handle IDLs |
| 02:41.25 | Mirell | MonMotha: Entirely possible. |
| 02:41.33 | Mirell | MonMotha: Most officers don't know what it is. |
| 02:41.33 | MonMotha | it seemed awfully weaselish |
| 02:41.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, personel with training about IDL and state ID's are rare |
| 02:42.10 | Mirell | MonMotha: I've gotten out of a few iffy campus police encounters, by only carrying my Passport. |
| 02:42.12 | prpplague | just have a look at http://www.visajourney.com forums about people trying to get their DL after they've moved to the US |
| 02:42.28 | Mirell | MonMotha: They can't look me up in the database to see if I have any warrants (I never have) or anything |
| 02:43.09 | prpplague | Mirell: well in the state of texas, a passport or green card are no acceptable forms of ID |
| 02:43.22 | Mirell | prpplague: Yes they are. |
| 02:43.23 | prpplague | Mirell: you must have a state issued ID card |
| 02:43.26 | Mirell | prpplague: No. |
| 02:43.27 | prpplague | Mirell: no they are not |
| 02:43.30 | Mirell | prpplague: I looked up that law. |
| 02:43.33 | ds2 | prpplague: that includes a US passport? |
| 02:43.45 | Mirell | prpplague: The mandatory Identification law? |
| 02:43.45 | prpplague | ds2: yep |
| 02:43.52 | Mirell | prpplague: You must provide name, DOB, and address. |
| 02:43.54 | MonMotha | I cannot believe a passport wouldn't be considered satisfactory ID |
| 02:44.02 | Mirell | prpplague: Nowhere does it state you *MUST* have a PHYSICAL form of ID |
| 02:44.04 | prpplague | Mirell: that is correct |
| 02:44.10 | MonMotha | a passport is pretty much the SUPREME form of ID |
| 02:44.17 | prpplague | Mirell: but if you want to do any thing else you have to have other ID |
| 02:44.24 | prpplague | MonMotha: no |
| 02:44.27 | Mirell | prpplague: Not if a cop stops you. |
| 02:44.33 | Mirell | prpplague: Assuming you're not driving. |
| 02:44.34 | prpplague | Mirell: that is correct |
| 02:44.42 | Mirell | prpplague: Heck, you don't even have to have any physical form of ID |
| 02:44.57 | prpplague | Mirell: if a cop stops you, all you have to provide is the information you just stated |
| 02:45.02 | Mirell | prpplague: Indeed. |
| 02:45.05 | MonMotha | the point of a passport is to prove both identity as well as citizenship or other nationality |
| 02:45.10 | Mirell | prpplague: Then what are you referring to? |
| 02:45.11 | prpplague | Mirell: however to do ANYTHING else you must have a state issued ID |
| 02:45.14 | MonMotha | that's just silly that they wouldn't accept it |
| 02:45.16 | Mirell | prpplague: Anything else? |
| 02:45.19 | Mirell | prpplague: Such as? |
| 02:45.46 | prpplague | purchase alcohol, tobacco, fill perscriptions, get a bank account |
| 02:45.52 | MonMotha | so it's now illegal to not maintain a permanent address in the state of Texas? |
| 02:45.55 | Mirell | Done. Done. Done. And Done. |
| 02:45.59 | Mirell | All with just a Passport. |
| 02:46.04 | MonMotha | I know it's frowned upon in most states, but wow |
| 02:46.24 | prpplague | Mirell: if you did all of those with a passport the people who did it just didn't know |
| 02:46.49 | Mirell | prpplague: I'm curious as to this law |
| 02:47.12 | prpplague | Mirell: if my wife purchase a pack of cigarettes without a state issued ID she'd be deported |
| 02:47.25 | Mirell | o.O |
| 02:47.41 | prpplague | and it happens |
| 02:47.54 | prpplague | alot |
| 02:48.02 | Dr{Wh0} | wow. |
| 02:48.24 | Mirell | Heh, *shows US Passport* SIR WE REQUIRE STATE ID...YOU ARE HERBY DEPORTED...wait... |
| 02:48.28 | MonMotha | what is the penalty for citizens of the US who are state residents who successfully manage to do one of those things without producing state ID, but rather producing, say, a passport |
| 02:48.40 | Mirell | MonMotha: Which I would be. |
| 02:48.45 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 02:48.49 | MonMotha | I've used my passport as ID before |
| 02:49.07 | Mirell | MonMotha: It comes in *really* handy when you go to places that requires two forms of ID |
| 02:49.16 | MonMotha | wasn't a problem, but Indiana doesn't have a law like that to my knowledge (if they passed such a law, they did it really quietly) |
| 02:49.22 | MonMotha | yeah, no kidding |
| 02:49.48 | Dr{Wh0} | night all.. |
| 02:49.55 | Mirell | "Well, we take a driver's license, or social secu...*plops down DL and Passport*...that'll work" |
| 02:50.16 | prpplague | Dr{Wh0}: later |
| 02:50.40 | MonMotha | what's great is that an SS card in no way proves identity |
| 02:50.47 | MonMotha | it shows citizenship, in theory |
| 02:50.47 | Mirell | MonMotha: Ayup |
| 02:50.50 | Mirell | MonMotha: Nope. |
| 02:50.54 | MonMotha | but in no way does it prove identity |
| 02:51.08 | Mirell | MonMotha: Doesn't prove citizenship as far as other countries are concerned. |
| 02:51.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: you'd be surprised, most states do have that type of regulation |
| 02:51.21 | Mirell | MonMotha: Not even Canada/Mexico |
| 02:51.29 | MonMotha | Mirell: true, only works to show that within the USA |
| 02:52.00 | MonMotha | prpplague: I know I've never heard of any case in Indiana of that coming up. I have heard about it in many other states |
| 02:52.08 | MonMotha | yes, many states do have such las |
| 02:52.29 | MonMotha | what's great is that when they were first passed, people questioned the constitutionality of them. Now they just say "ah, whatever" |
| 02:52.50 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:53.09 | prpplague | problem is they don't work and just make life hard for people trying to follow the law |
| 02:53.21 | MonMotha | I'm not even sure what the point of them is |
| 02:53.43 | MonMotha | other than to give officers with a bone to pick (which, fortunately, is not most of them) something to hassle people over when they have no other reason to do so |
| 02:55.02 | prpplague | indeed |
| 02:55.49 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 02:56.06 | Mirell | In other news, the Daily WTF makes me feel a lot less stupid. |
| 02:56.24 | MonMotha | hah |
| 02:56.25 | MonMotha | I love that website |
| 02:56.34 | MonMotha | it used to be better, but it's still decent |
| 02:56.54 | Mirell | I've been reading the Interview stories. |
| 02:58.50 | MonMotha | those are some of the funnier things, yes |
| 02:58.58 | MonMotha | though some of the older code WTFs are good |
| 02:59.44 | prpplague | Mirell: yea i just checked, a US passport is acceptable for purchasing those items in the US |
| 02:59.50 | Mirell | prpplague: Aha! |
| 02:59.53 | prpplague | Mirell: foreign passports are not |
| 02:59.59 | Mirell | prpplague: There ya go. |
| 03:00.31 | prpplague | Mirell: yea i think of everything from my wife's point of view |
| 03:00.38 | prpplague | Mirell: since thats what we have to deal with |
| 03:00.44 | Mirell | prpplague: Ahh |
| 03:00.47 | MonMotha | gunna say |
| 03:01.01 | MonMotha | I'm guessing the feds would have something to say about states not honoring passports as a valid form of ID |
| 03:02.03 | prpplague | yea like i said, my bad, it's just that i was thinking of it from the point of a foreign passport |
| 03:02.16 | prpplague | i always forget and use my barbados passport |
| 03:02.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:03.30 | prpplague | as do both of our kids |
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| 03:06.49 | prpplague | at one point when we thought we weren't getting anywhere with my wife's visa i considered giving up my US citizenship |
| 03:08.17 | Mirell | Mmm |
| 03:10.31 | prpplague | Mirell: you are pretty new to the channel |
| 03:10.41 | prpplague | Mirell: so you probably don't know the history |
| 03:10.50 | Mirell | prpplague: Well, I've been here a few months... |
| 03:11.06 | prpplague | Mirell: took us 3 years and 8 months to get my wife to come to US legally |
| 03:11.13 | Mirell | prpplague: ...ow? |
| 03:11.43 | prpplague | Mirell: average wait for a US citizen to bring a foreign born spouse to the US is 2 to 3 years |
| 03:12.04 | prpplague | its not like they make it out on TV |
| 03:12.24 | prpplague | just because you marry a US citizen doesn't mean you automatically get a greencard |
| 03:12.37 | Mirell | Interesting. |
| 03:13.21 | prpplague | Mirell: here is another kicker, i had to extra taxes while living outside the US |
| 03:13.40 | prpplague | Mirell: so they didn't want us in the US, but charged us extra for not being in the US |
| 03:13.45 | Mirell | Genius. |
| 03:13.54 | prpplague | alot people give up |
| 03:14.14 | prpplague | and whats bad, the ones that don't care about the law, just come here anyway |
| 03:15.03 | prpplague | Mirell: http://americanfamiliesunited.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=83&Itemid=1 |
| 03:16.24 | prpplague | Mirell: here is the fun list - http://americanfamiliesunited.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=1 |
| 03:16.37 | prpplague | Mirell: describing all the errors that can create problems |
| 03:19.10 | prpplague | the immigration system is a pet peave of mine |
| 03:19.32 | agaffney | I think it's beyond a pet peave :P |
| 03:19.37 | prpplague | indeed |
| 03:20.21 | prpplague | US Soldiers who's spouse is foreign born, are deported in 48 hours after the spouse dies in combat |
| 03:20.25 | prpplague | now is that right? |
| 03:21.26 | prpplague | http://my.digis.net/webnews/wed/cc/Ayb109916437.RL8h_HlV.shtml |
| 03:21.30 | agaffney | prpplague: no, but it's not surprising |
| 03:22.14 | prpplague | agaffney: yea |
| 03:22.41 | prpplague | and what pisses me off the most is the illegals here |
| 03:23.06 | prpplague | car wrecks with no issurance, free health care at the ER, pay no taxes |
| 03:23.15 | Mirell | prpplague: And being a legal pedantic nitpicking guy is a pet peeve of mine. ^^ (Hence eventually I keep saying I'll pursue a law degree) |
| 03:23.16 | prpplague | get food stamps and welfare |
| 03:23.28 | Mirell | Mmm, food stamps. |
| 03:23.44 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed i was like that for a long time as well |
| 03:23.50 | Mirell | Voila! |
| 03:23.53 | Mirell | Problem solved, prpplague. |
| 03:23.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:24.13 | prpplague | my kids school is over run with illegals |
| 03:24.24 | prpplague | and whats worse, the school accomodates them |
| 03:24.59 | prpplague | parent letters in spanish, special openhouse just for spanish speaking parents |
| 03:25.27 | prpplague | the billboard infront of the school only has announcements in spanish |
| 03:25.41 | prpplague | to me thats plain wrong |
| 03:25.56 | Mirell | There's a difference between bilingual, and Spanish-only. |
| 03:26.04 | Mirell | I have no issue with bilingual signs. |
| 03:26.49 | Mirell | Meh. |
| 03:27.11 | prpplague | if i were to move to spain or italy, i'd learn the language |
| 03:27.28 | Mirell | What about Switzerland? |
| 03:27.33 | Mirell | Which has three national languages. |
| 03:27.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:27.48 | Mirell | Or Canada which has two. |
| 03:28.00 | prpplague | well, the US should only have one official |
| 03:28.04 | Mirell | Why? |
| 03:29.42 | prpplague | having a common language and some common basis is important to unity of the country. although the US has always been a melting pot of cultures, the vast major of people blended their culture with others, not acting as a seperate culture |
| 03:29.54 | prpplague | Mirell: wasn't aware of that |
| 03:30.00 | Mirell | Ahh. |
| 03:30.26 | Mirell | I beg to differ on that, by the way, on seperate culturs. |
| 03:30.30 | Mirell | Er, cultures. |
| 03:30.34 | Mirell | NYC being a prime example. |
| 03:30.43 | Mirell | You have the Bronx, China Town, et cetera. |
| 03:30.49 | prpplague | Mirell: even with two languages, canada is a prime example of how divisive it can be |
| 03:31.02 | Mirell | prpplague: Eh, the Quebecians are insane. |
| 03:31.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:31.18 | Mirell | prpplague: Switzerland, on the other hand, has German, French, and Italian. |
| 03:31.28 | Mirell | prpplague: Belgium has Flemish and Blegium. |
| 03:32.18 | prpplague | i personally attribute the new found "multi-culturalism"(sp) a prime factor in increased tensing between different groups inside the US |
| 03:33.08 | Mirell | prpplague: Eh. that's past the language stuff. |
| 03:33.23 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe, its part of the language issue |
| 03:33.54 | Mirell | prpplague: True, but it's been proven having multiple languages is not a barrier to still being able to get along. |
| 03:34.12 | Mirell | prpplague: If nothing else, the dialectal issues as well. |
| 03:36.01 | prpplague | Mirell: i would agree speaking different languages doesn't exclude peaceful co-existance, but it doesn't always induce a sense of unity either |
| 03:36.51 | prpplague | Mirell: actually iirc, just recently a beauty contest winner was booed off the stage for not speaking one of the local languages |
| 03:37.21 | prpplague | Mirell: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22301522/ |
| 03:37.43 | prpplague | Mirell: so your belgium point doesn't hold |
| 03:37.50 | prpplague | Mirell: language is dividing there as well |
| 03:38.08 | Mirell | prpplague: Huh. |
| 03:39.16 | prpplague | Mirell: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4545433.stm |
| 03:40.13 | prpplague | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6087356.stm |
| 03:41.32 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 03:42.15 | prpplague | Mirell: i like a good debate, one with logical arguments, so don't get offended, i just like discussing it :) |
| 03:42.51 | Mirell | prpplague: Heh, no worries. |
| 03:43.13 | prpplague | Mirell: some people can't handle a good debate, hehe |
| 03:43.15 | Mirell | prpplague: I will point out my evident lack of knowledge on this particular thing, with that I specialized in CompLing. |
| 03:43.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:43.56 | Mirell | prpplague: I know phonetics, phonology, and Computational Linguistics, but I mostly absolved myself on political issues. |
| 03:44.14 | prpplague | ahh |
| 03:44.52 | prpplague | language is important to a unified culture, the first emporer of china realized that |
| 03:44.57 | prpplague | hundreds of different dialects |
| 03:45.06 | prpplague | those of different symbols for the same word |
| 03:45.17 | Mirell | Oy vey. |
| 03:45.25 | Mirell | China is...a whole different ballgame. |
| 03:45.45 | Mirell | That vast a country, with geographical boundaries, |
| 03:45.52 | prpplague | dare i say that even in roman , many many conquered lands and languages, but all had to do business in roman with the same language |
| 03:45.58 | prpplague | indeed |
| 03:46.58 | Mirell | prpplague: Lingua Franca, is the term you're wanting to use. |
| 03:47.40 | prpplague | ahh indeed |
| 03:47.47 | prpplague | learn something new every day |
| 03:47.59 | Mirell | Indeed! |
| 03:48.19 | Mirell | I learned the group by BLAH having FOO = MOO today in SQL |
| 03:49.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:49.40 | MonMotha | eh, I prefer "#define struct union" |
| 03:49.44 | MonMotha | troubleshoot THAT |
| 03:49.45 | prpplague | ha |
| 03:49.50 | Mirell | I'm slowly becoming a SQL guru. |
| 03:49.53 | MonMotha | it saves space! |
| 03:50.03 | Mirell | Given that the other option is Java, |
| 03:50.07 | Mirell | I'm okay with that. |
| 03:50.32 | prpplague | <Mirell> I'm slowly becoming a SQL guru. |
| 03:50.50 | prpplague | kinda like a woman saying she's slowly becoming a hooker |
| 03:51.27 | Mirell | prpplague: Stripper. |
| 03:51.31 | Mirell | prpplague: Strippers earn good money. |
| 03:51.36 | prpplague | indeed |
| 03:52.12 | prpplague | i have the dubious honnor of actually getting a woman to start working at a nudie bar |
| 03:52.25 | prpplague | hot chick in the shipping office was going through a divorce |
| 03:52.27 | Mirell | Woot! |
| 03:52.42 | prpplague | she was always complaining of being broke and that she was going to get a second job |
| 03:52.55 | prpplague | i joked that the local nudie would do well for her |
| 03:53.00 | prpplague | she laughed |
| 03:53.11 | prpplague | a week later she told me she was quiting |
| 03:53.42 | prpplague | when i asked why, she said she'd gotten a job at the nudie bar and was bringing home 10 times her monthly pay in just one week |
| 03:54.06 | MonMotha | hum, anybody know a good deal on some 17" LCDs with DVI, SXGAish res? |
| 03:54.12 | MonMotha | like $100-150 range |
| 03:54.23 | prpplague | not i |
| 03:55.25 | prpplague | ahh the good old single days |
| 03:55.39 | Mirell | Heh |
| 04:00.54 | prpplague | later folks |
| 04:03.50 | Mirell | 'night purl |
| 04:03.52 | Mirell | Er |
| 04:03.58 | Mirell | Ohwell. |
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| 04:20.00 | axscode | anyyone alive? i need a hand. |
| 04:21.39 | davidc__ | axscode: ask your question, not if you can ask a question. |
| 04:22.13 | axscode | ok.. about buildroot actually, ive compiled everything fine, with grub on it. |
| 04:22.22 | axscode | problem is i dont know how to make the image bootable |
| 04:22.38 | axscode | im about to use USB |
| 04:23.10 | axscode | and whats the purpose of initramfs and do i need initrd? |
| 04:26.09 | davidc__ | axscode: what platform are you targeting? |
| 04:26.19 | axscode | x86 |
| 04:26.20 | davidc__ | axscode: and how does that platform normally boot? |
| 04:26.40 | davidc__ | axscode: embedded x86, or standard? |
| 04:26.41 | axscode | it can handle usb bootup |
| 04:26.47 | axscode | mini itx |
| 04:27.07 | davidc__ | erm, in that case, just partition as you'd partition any bootable USB stick |
| 04:27.28 | davidc__ | aka, such that the on-board bios recognizes it + boots from it |
| 04:27.43 | davidc__ | IIRC, its the same as you'd setup a regular HD |
| 04:28.15 | axscode | yes.. now whats the purpose of initramfs and initrd |
| 04:28.42 | axscode | coz i have initramfs_list on the binaries output but i dont have initrd. i wanted to use grub on usb. |
| 04:29.15 | davidc__ | you likely don't need either |
| 04:29.35 | axscode | ahh ic |
| 04:30.03 | axscode | but it will boot as fast as with initramfs_list and initrd right? |
| 04:30.07 | davidc__ | initrd is the ability to pass a memory address at which a ram disk resides to the kernel on bootup |
| 04:30.18 | davidc__ | and initramfs is the ability to compile a root disk into the kernel |
| 04:30.54 | davidc__ | depends on your HW |
| 04:31.09 | davidc__ | I really don't think there would be any difference, but someone correct me if I'm wrong |
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| 04:37.23 | axscode | ok.. |
| 04:38.11 | axscode | i have an image created by buildroot, the vmlinux is already inside.. how im i supposed to boot that image? |
| 04:43.27 | axscode | can you help me please? |
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| 07:23.53 | axscode | hi everyone, howd you tell buildroot to re`make` grub? |
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| 08:51.15 | axscode | what bootloader that is capable of silentboot + slashimage + progressbar |
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| 14:26.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey |
| 14:27.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day, |
| 14:28.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G13752 |
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| 14:31.50 | GPSFan | nice, simple interface, no mucking around with timing, on the other hand the serial interface is a bottleneck for higher speed operation, fut for lots of stuff that's not a requirement, you aren't looking to play Doom on the hammer! |
| 14:36.17 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 14:36.24 | SpeedEvil | It ran fine on my 486/75 |
| 14:37.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, doom plays fine on the GBA, should be good on the hammer |
| 14:37.42 | GPSFan | prpplague: oops I was looking at the wrong data sheet. |
| 14:37.49 | GPSFan | ;P |
| 14:37.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: on the hammer it'd be limited to 256 colors though |
| 14:38.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: 9bpp tft interface |
| 14:38.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: we'd do 3bit red, 3bit green, 2bit blue |
| 14:39.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: fine for lots of stuff. |
| 14:39.24 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 14:39.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've got a couple arriving today for testing |
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| 14:43.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: don't mind me this morning. late night, no beer. |
| 14:43.56 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:43.59 | sjhill | lo' prpplague |
| 14:44.01 | sjhill | hi chouimat|work |
| 14:45.44 | chouimat|work | hi sjhill |
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| 15:10.24 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings |
| 15:10.30 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin? |
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| 15:12.43 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 15:18.49 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:19.08 | prpplague | landley: hey, we got the first nail board up and running |
| 15:19.13 | prpplague | landley: still testing and debugging |
| 15:19.27 | prpplague | landley: should be able to ship you one by thursday or friday |
| 15:27.12 | landley | prpplague: morning. |
| 15:27.16 | landley | Woot. |
| 15:27.26 | landley | So what do you think of it? |
| 15:28.29 | chouimat|work | prpplague: how much for the nail board? |
| 15:29.13 | prpplague | landley: looks good so far |
| 15:29.18 | prpplague | landley: we are tweaking some of the values |
| 15:29.30 | prpplague | landley: had some reset issues on the 4-port hub chip |
| 15:29.39 | prpplague | landley: but other than that its looking good |
| 15:30.08 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i think we are going to go with $199 , which includes a usb cable, the nail board, and the hammer module |
| 15:30.20 | chouimat|work | nice |
| 15:30.35 | prpplague | i'll get some photo's up as soon as i can |
| 15:31.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: any place with the specs? |
| 15:31.14 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 15:34.12 | prpplague | landley: i'm like you, i always think about submitting papers, but never do |
| 15:36.51 | Mirell | landley is still awake? |
| 15:36.52 | Mirell | Gasp. |
| 15:37.55 | landley | No, just got up. |
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| 15:38.20 | Mirell | GASP |
| 15:38.41 | landley | prpplague: they just extended the deadline to the 15th, so I guess I'll submit anyway. |
| 15:38.51 | landley | Doesn't mean I'm obligated to go, and who knows... |
| 15:39.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:39.11 | landley | Think the reset issues can be addressed in software? |
| 15:39.29 | prpplague | landley: no thats a hardware issue, we've already resolved that |
| 15:39.39 | prpplague | landley: minor change in the pcb/components |
| 15:40.24 | landley | The one you're sending me won't have this issue, then? |
| 15:40.24 | prpplague | landley: that kind of stuff is expected on first rev of the board, so we generally place extra pads and areas to do modifications |
| 15:40.32 | landley | Ah. |
| 15:40.42 | prpplague | landley: the one we send you will have been corrected |
| 15:41.05 | landley | All I can say about a hardware issue is "I'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue". |
| 15:41.09 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 15:41.15 | landley | Which always seems like such a cop-out... |
| 15:41.42 | landley | Makes a loud humming noise? Throws sparks across the room? Interferes with TV reception in neighboring buildings? |
| 15:41.48 | prpplague | landley: when you do prototyping correctly, you left lots of room for tweaks |
| 15:41.52 | landley | Maybe if we tweaked a few registers and redid the bus timing... |
| 15:42.04 | prpplague | landley: i.e. put in 0 Ohm resistors were none is needed |
| 15:42.24 | prpplague | landley: that way if you need to rewire something or if you need to change the value you can |
| 15:42.30 | adyer | landley: at least you have some shame about it. A lot of pure s/w types happily blame hardware for all ills without any qualms :-) |
| 15:42.33 | landley | I've occasionally cut traces to get some piece of hardware to shut up, but that was a long time ago... |
| 15:43.06 | prpplague | landley: indeed, if a 0 Ohm resistor was there, all you'd have to do is remove it |
| 15:43.08 | landley | adyer: Never bet against the cheap plastic solution. |
| 15:43.13 | landley | It's almost a personal motto. |
| 15:43.24 | landley | If there's a way to do it with cheap plastic crap, I'm all for it. |
| 15:43.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.00 | landley | Making $250k worth of hardware do something doesn't impress me. |
| 15:44.13 | landley | Solving the same problem with electronics that came out of a cracker-jack box impresses me. |
| 15:44.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:44.25 | prpplague | indeed |
| 15:44.43 | landley | (Well, I'd be impressed with the $250k solution if the previous best effort cost several million...) |
| 15:44.50 | prpplague | landley: prototyping designs is a real art |
| 15:44.56 | landley | Yea beowulf clusters! |
| 15:45.06 | landley | prpplague: one I respect from a distance. |
| 15:45.21 | prpplague | landley: alot of EE's have the attitude that the design should be perfect on the first rev |
| 15:45.33 | landley | Nothing's ever perfect on the first rev. |
| 15:45.39 | landley | You don't know what it should _do_ on the first rev. |
| 15:45.40 | prpplague | landley: problem is that if it isn't perfect, its a beoych to debug and correct |
| 15:45.48 | landley | I design by exploration. |
| 15:45.58 | landley | I usually figure out what I _should_ have been doing about 3/4 of the way through doing it. |
| 15:46.06 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 15:46.10 | prpplague | same here |
| 15:46.14 | landley | Make one to throw away. |
| 15:46.32 | prpplague | landley: ol' dave didn't sound happy about the OLS paper submissions |
| 15:46.34 | landley | Except if you take that too seriously you just wind up throwing that one away too... |
| 15:46.40 | prpplague | landley: i guess they got very little |
| 15:46.46 | prpplague | landley: hence their extension |
| 15:46.47 | landley | prpplague: the kernel summit moved. |
| 15:46.51 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 15:46.53 | landley | They extended it last year too. |
| 15:47.01 | prpplague | landley: that pretty much killed OLS imho |
| 15:47.03 | landley | The kernel summit moved, took half the prestige of the event with it. |
| 15:47.09 | landley | Linus doesn't even attend anymore. |
| 15:47.28 | landley | The big gathering is now the Australian thing, which is too far away for me to go. |
| 15:47.33 | prpplague | and me |
| 15:47.40 | prpplague | and expensive |
| 15:47.43 | landley | (Driving to australia presents certain intellectual challenges.) |
| 15:48.22 | prpplague | landley: well, we knew it wasn't going to be in the US, but i'm surprised they moved it out of canada |
| 15:49.02 | prpplague | the US has seen 75% drop in international conferences being held in the US |
| 15:52.58 | prpplague | landley: we got softfloat working properly for the s3c24xx stuff |
| 15:53.11 | prpplague | landley: and squeak running with float-point working |
| 15:53.17 | prpplague | landley: so the robotics guys are happy |
| 15:53.38 | prpplague | landley: i was pretty suprised at the results |
| 15:53.56 | prpplague | landley: i got about a 15% increase in fp operations over hard float emulation |
| 15:57.11 | Mirell | Mmm, found the manager with the breakfast tacos. |
| 15:57.15 | Mirell | Morning goal accomplished. |
| 15:58.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:58.53 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 15:59.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work: thoughts on the nail board? |
| 15:59.25 | prpplague | landley: oh, did you hear, google order a bunch of hammer kits |
| 15:59.35 | prpplague | s/order/ordered |
| 16:00.27 | landley | prpplague: I heard, for the android project. |
| 16:00.40 | landley | Congrats. |
| 16:00.42 | prpplague | landley: well we don't know for sure |
| 16:00.46 | prpplague | landley: we suspect |
| 16:01.03 | landley | It sounded like android to me. |
| 16:01.46 | landley | prpplague: did you get soft float working with gcc 4.2.2? |
| 16:01.54 | landley | I've only gotten it working with 4.1.2. Still fighting with 4.2.2... |
| 16:02.31 | landley | prpplague: hard float involves a trap and a context switch for every floating point instruction. |
| 16:02.40 | landley | The suckage of that cannot be overstated. |
| 16:04.45 | prpplague | landley: just 4.1.2 |
| 16:04.57 | prpplague | landley: 4.2.2 seemed to be creating bogus code |
| 16:05.41 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 16:05.42 | prpplague | landley: yea i didn't realize how much over head was involved |
| 16:05.42 | prpplague | wmat: just checking with you on a couple of things |
| 16:05.42 | prpplague | wmat: wiki move? |
| 16:05.42 | prpplague | wmat: hammer hacking? |
| 16:06.11 | wmat | prpplague: i'll be prepping the new host this aft. for the wiki move and pinging the Movial guy as well |
| 16:06.38 | wmat | prpplague: hammer hacking hasn't begun yet :(, but it's on my list to begin by Weds. |
| 16:06.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: look nice ... |
| 16:07.01 | chouimat|work | and interesting |
| 16:07.26 | prpplague | wmat: okie dokie |
| 16:07.30 | prpplague | wmat: on both |
| 16:07.56 | landley | prpplague: we may be using the same patch. I think I pointed robotguy at it weeks ago. :) |
| 16:08.16 | prpplague | wmat: you seen the info on the nail board? maybe after you get hammer support , the nail might be a nice show piece/training tool |
| 16:08.18 | landley | (I got it by combining two other patches.) |
| 16:08.23 | wmat | prpplague: sorry for taking so long, but sadly i'm just that busy these days |
| 16:08.36 | wmat | prpplague: i haven't yet, but i'll look now |
| 16:08.43 | landley | I'll let you know if I get it working in 4.2.2. |
| 16:08.44 | prpplague | wmat: np, no rush, just wanted to keep uptodate |
| 16:09.05 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I'm a few days ahead on my estimate so I'm trying to do more stuff before I get down on thursday for the operation ... |
| 16:09.09 | wmat | prpplague: it's not on tincantools.com? |
| 16:19.32 | prpplague | wmat: sorry, phone, no we have the info up on the wiki right now: http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 16:23.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: it's not so much that ALL EEs believe that something should be perfect on the first try. It is an attitude that some EEs (untalented/poor/unimaginative) inherit from PHBs who think that it MUST be perfect the first time (or it will overrun the already underestimated budget). |
| 16:28.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed, i didn't mean to imply all were that way |
| 16:28.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: jsut some |
| 16:28.58 | prpplague | chouimat|work: operation? |
| 16:29.09 | prpplague | chouimat|work: going for a labotomy? |
| 16:30.25 | Mirell | http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg |
| 16:32.50 | chouimat|work | prpplague: no just decided to go have my teeth fixed in 2 operations so I will be 5 hours at the dentist under sedation :) |
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| 16:39.35 | prpplague | Mirell: hehe |
| 16:40.40 | chouimat|work | Mirell: and all the variations ... I mean in french for me :) |
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| 16:53.10 | landley | Off to the wireless chick-fil-a, back on from there... |
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| 17:25.09 | flyback | gotta run to work |
| 17:25.15 | flyback | just wanted to get the info out there |
| 17:25.16 | flyback | peace |
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| 17:27.10 | yakov | hey |
| 17:27.37 | yakov | guys, what would you suggest as MIPS system emulator in order to practice in "raw" assembler for that arch? |
| 17:48.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, being an EE that had to deal with PHB's I'm a bit sensitive. np good for a laugh now and then. |
| 17:52.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe indeed |
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| 17:54.50 | landley | And back. :) |
| 18:14.22 | Mirell | Lunch time! |
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| 18:57.44 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:57.56 | prpplague | can't seem to find a reference schematic for the timming asic :( |
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| 19:04.22 | ds2 | reading the bluez list is irritating... |
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| 19:32.26 | Mirell | Man, I just want to go take a nap outside today. |
| 19:32.57 | roxfan | what's stopping you? |
| 19:35.30 | chouimat|work | some weird concept called work :) |
| 19:56.19 | chouimat|work | prpplague: at work we have this nice combinaison lock on the washroom door and close a nice red button for the disabled people ... and the button simply bypass the lock :) |
| 19:56.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:57.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: seems the homeless peoples didn't find this one yet |
| 19:59.04 | adyer_ | chouimat|work: I'm sure canadian homeless people are polite enough to keep the seat clean ;-) |
| 19:59.41 | chouimat|work | adyer_: lol |
| 20:12.09 | CosmicPenguin | when are those due? |
| 20:16.35 | Crofton | CosmicPenguin, congrats! |
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| 20:35.23 | Mirell | Hmm.. |
| 20:44.59 | landley | CosmicPenguin: today. :) |
| 20:45.12 | landley | The OLS deadline got bumped to the 15th, but the CELF one hasn't moved (yet?) |
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| 22:07.40 | ds2 | I hate GCC. repeat ad inf. |
| 22:14.34 | agaffney | don't we all? :P |
| 22:15.21 | chouimat|work | agaffney: I don't hate gcc just it's developers :) |
| 22:15.40 | agaffney | heh |
| 22:16.20 | ds2 | I don't see why they have to go around breaking everything with gcc4 #@%#!@#@ |
| 22:16.53 | chouimat|work | ds2: it's because your code isn't standard code ... |
| 22:17.03 | ds2 | chouimat, this is qemu |
| 22:17.07 | ds2 | ain't my code |
| 22:17.24 | chouimat|work | ds2: use gcc3.4.6 for qemu |
| 22:17.41 | ds2 | I am trying to cross compile qemu but my cross tools are all gcc4 |
| 22:18.22 | chouimat|work | ds2: qemu won't compile with gcc4 ... they tell you this in the README :) |
| 22:19.43 | ds2 | chouimat: that's what started the I hate gcc rant! |
| 22:20.03 | ds2 | i'm forcing it to see what happens |
| 22:21.19 | chouimat|work | ds2: the reason is qemu use something that is an error or a bad behavior in gcc3 ... I think opensuse has some gcc4 patches but I'm not sure it they work on all kind of hosts |
| 22:22.16 | ds2 | chouimat: hmmm |
| 22:22.29 | ds2 | doesn't make me hate gcc less though |
| 22:23.20 | Crofton | that is more a qemu issue |
| 22:23.44 | ds2 | i just want a qemu usermode in ARM to test something and rebuilding a tool chain is not really an acceptable option |
| 22:26.13 | chouimat|work | ds2: I'm sure you can find prebuild toolchains somewhere |
| 22:27.03 | ds2 | the ones i found were OABI |
| 22:27.09 | ds2 | i'll just see what breaks |
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| 22:44.40 | landley | ds2: did you try my firmware linux project? |
| 22:44.49 | landley | I'm poking at doing EABI for the armv5l one. |
| 22:44.59 | landley | Not checked in yet. Working on armeb first. :) |
| 22:45.11 | landley | Spent the weekend distracted by gcc 4.2.2. :P |
| 22:45.53 | landley | chouimat: they're _finally_ fixing that in qemu cvs. |
| 22:46.17 | landley | hint is putting in an actual code generator. |
| 22:52.11 | ds2 | landley: try? eh? did I miss soemthing? |
| 22:52.38 | ds2 | scratch qemu...blow up at link with gcc4 :( |
| 22:52.51 | landley | ds2: qemu doesn't like building with gcc 4 yet. |
| 22:52.59 | ds2 | landley: so I have noticed :( |
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| 22:53.06 | landley | Work is going into cvs now. (By "now" I mean... started last thursday, I think.) |
| 22:53.08 | landley | Not finished yet. |
| 22:53.19 | ds2 | i'll hack at the problem from another angle |
| 22:53.36 | landley | What target are you trying to get qemu running under? |
| 22:53.39 | ds2 | suspecting a armv6 vs v5 issue was hoping qemu would whitewash the difference |
| 22:53.49 | ds2 | target is arm, host is arm. usermode only |
| 22:53.59 | landley | qemu 0.9.1 is emulating armv7 now, I think. |
| 22:54.14 | ds2 | host is armv6, I want qemu to emulate a armv5 |
| 22:54.15 | landley | What's the issue you're hoping to whitewash? |
| 22:54.28 | landley | Older versions of qemu only do v5. |
| 22:54.31 | ds2 | not quite sure, I been tasked with getting some binaries to execute |
| 22:54.43 | landley | Unfortunately, last I checked qemu didn't have the ability to emulate _older_ processors. |
| 22:54.55 | landley | No "i586 only" for its x86 mode, for example. |
| 22:55.09 | landley | I made puppy eyes at the developers, but to no avail last I checked... |
| 22:55.12 | ds2 | armv5 is sufficient... last I checked it did the arm926 on the versatile |
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| 23:35.09 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.34 | flyback | $10 inexq router the company violated the gpl multiple times and is dead now but the soc maker also seems to be pissing on the gpl |
| 23:35.53 | flyback | man these pl2303 cables I got from radio shack on clearance for $9.99 each are the shit |
| 23:36.01 | flyback | +5 or +3.3 serial to usb |
| 23:36.26 | ds2 | got writeup on where the console connectors are on the board? |
| 23:36.47 | flyback | you mean the serial |
| 23:36.51 | ds2 | yes |
| 23:36.52 | flyback | doesn't appear to have a jtag |
| 23:37.06 | ds2 | console is usually on serial |
| 23:37.08 | flyback | ok I am spacially challanged so bear with me |
| 23:37.11 | flyback | j123 |
| 23:37.12 | flyback | 12 |
| 23:37.14 | flyback | 34 |
| 23:37.14 | flyback | 56 |
| 23:37.48 | flyback | 2 = tx |
| 23:38.25 | flyback | 6 = rx |
| 23:38.45 | flyback | 1, 4, 5 = grd |
| 23:38.56 | ds2 | 3 is not used? |
| 23:39.03 | flyback | btw I was using the wrong grn and serial grd isn't chassis or power ground |
| 23:39.11 | flyback | getting data from the unit worked but not sending to |
| 23:39.14 | flyback | till I fixed it |
| 23:39.18 | flyback | don't think so |
| 23:39.30 | flyback | hang on I have to physically turn the board |
| 23:39.36 | flyback | I have spacial issues sorry |
| 23:40.06 | ds2 | I think you have enough info that the orientation can be backed out |
| 23:40.34 | flyback | dunno yet if the pcmcia header is cardbus also for sure |
| 23:40.40 | flyback | and usb might be 1.1 or 2 |
| 23:40.48 | flyback | 1 meg flash 8 meg ram |
| 23:41.19 | ds2 | if the USB port works in host mode, it would make a nice bluetooth gateway |
| 23:42.12 | flyback | that's exactely what I got mine for :) |
| 23:42.21 | ds2 | =) |
| 23:42.23 | flyback | going to get another once I confirm the first works |
| 23:42.26 | flyback | one for home one for work |
| 23:42.32 | ds2 | it is too bad there is no quick and _CHEAP_ way of getting BT on the webpal |
| 23:43.03 | flyback | mines gone |
| 23:43.11 | ds2 | you got the datasheet on the proc? |
| 23:43.11 | flyback | I put it out of it's misery with a hammer last night |
| 23:43.16 | flyback | something fried |
| 23:43.29 | flyback | never even got a chance to finish flashing to linux :/ |
| 23:43.41 | flyback | it's a mips r3000 compatible all the vendor will really say |
| 23:43.43 | flyback | btw |
| 23:43.56 | flyback | I flashed with firmware from a 9218 soc and it works fine on my 9148 soc |
| 23:44.26 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 23:45.28 | flyback | what's cool is |
| 23:45.32 | flyback | their serial bootloader |
| 23:45.34 | flyback | you can load to ram |
| 23:45.37 | flyback | load to ram and exec |
| 23:45.43 | flyback | load to ram and flash |
| 23:45.51 | flyback | so you can test all kinds of stuff without brickage |
| 23:46.03 | flyback | and they have something called linuxBSP and no source etc |
| 23:46.08 | flyback | so we need to knock on their door |
| 23:46.15 | flyback | the soc maker is silicon data |
| 23:46.20 | ds2 | Hmm |
| 23:46.22 | flyback | woot |
| 23:46.32 | flyback | I just remembers I can also use the jtag to flash the 2 di-524's to linux |
| 23:46.34 | flyback | once I recap them |
| 23:46.44 | ds2 | the only advantage of this is the price; otherwise an ASUS WL500 is less hassle |
| 23:46.59 | flyback | yeah |
| 23:47.22 | flyback | I saved the wireless keyboard, mouse/remote, 8052 with 8kb flash, and 1 meg flash tsop on a 72 pin simm from the webpal |
| 23:47.27 | flyback | there's $7 value right there |
| 23:47.31 | flyback | so it wasn't much of a loss |
| 23:47.49 | ds2 | webpals are simple enough to be interesting for many things |
| 23:48.12 | flyback | yeah shame I can't get any more |
| 23:48.15 | flyback | I have 6 juiceboxes |
| 23:48.17 | flyback | well 5 now |
| 23:48.46 | flyback | 2 new in package 3 kinda beat up and scratched one has lcd scratches due to stupidity the others are just scratches on the cheap plastic outside |
| 23:48.51 | flyback | all 8 meg units |
| 23:49.00 | ds2 | I am sick of the juiceboxes |
| 23:49.15 | ds2 | might turn one into a picture frame and try to get rid of the other |
| 23:49.55 | flyback | dude did you see the display mod |
| 23:49.58 | flyback | someone did my idea |
| 23:50.03 | flyback | seems to be the most value |
| 23:50.04 | ds2 | display mod? no |
| 23:50.07 | flyback | turn it into a serial diaplay |
| 23:50.10 | flyback | for a mcu etc |
| 23:50.23 | flyback | hang on |
| 23:50.25 | ds2 | but how do you jump into your code? |
| 23:50.41 | flyback | you need to attach nand to the cart slot |
| 23:50.44 | flyback | smartmedia or xd card |
| 23:52.50 | flyback | http://elinux.org/Display_Jbox |
| 23:54.01 | ds2 | ah you are not running Linux but a little bare metal program |
| 23:54.12 | flyback | yeah probbaly best for them |
| 23:54.22 | ds2 | hmmm. |
| 23:54.44 | ds2 | another project on the list for when I get time :( |
| 23:54.56 | flyback | well I was looking at my 8 meg units |
| 23:55.04 | flyback | at it appears there are little holes for a lot of the cpu pins |
| 23:55.33 | flyback | can I use a small nor rom wired the right way or am I going to have to ground all the unused address pins on the cpu when using a smaller rom |
| 23:55.55 | flyback | cause you really only need like a 64kb 3.3 nor flash chip |
| 23:56.04 | flyback | just enough code to jump to sd/mmc slot for the rest |
| 23:56.59 | landley | And lo, I hath emailed a presentation proposal to CELF. |
| 23:57.22 | flyback | ds2 I am hoping we can wrestle programming info for that SOC |
| 23:57.32 | flyback | I can see several nice projects using a $10 router |
| 23:57.38 | flyback | add a usb sound chip = audio server |
| 23:57.38 | flyback | etc |
| 23:58.31 | landley | flyback: the SFLC takes any and all gpl violation reports for BusyBox and uClibc. |
| 23:58.34 | landley | gpl@busybox.net |
| 23:58.46 | flyback | anyone on irc I can chat to first |
| 23:58.52 | flyback | to make sure I don't have my facts wrong |
| 23:59.32 | ds2 | landley: from what I understand, these folks went under already |
| 23:59.37 | ds2 | can't chase a dead horse |
| 23:59.57 | flyback | actually ds2 |
