| 00:00.10 | flyback | ie he talking about my router |
| 00:00.11 | flyback | cause the soc chip maker is still around |
| 00:00.32 | ds2 | but the SOC maker isn't violating the GPL |
| 00:00.45 | ds2 | unless you are following the same logic as the EPA ;) |
| 00:01.05 | flyback | eh how so? |
| 00:01.10 | flyback | they offer a linux support package |
| 00:01.38 | flyback | btw if you strings the firmware file you see "uncompressing linux" |
| 00:01.43 | ds2 | if you buy a peice of land and there was a chemical dump on there, the EPA can go after you for funds to clean it up even though you had nothing to do with it |
| 00:01.51 | flyback | yeah I know about that |
| 00:01.52 | flyback | sickos |
| 00:01.55 | flyback | ds2 no dude |
| 00:02.03 | flyback | the soc maker is OFFERING A LINUX |
| 00:02.03 | ds2 | still not sure how you can go after the SoC mfg |
| 00:02.09 | flyback | if it was only the router maker then no |
| 00:02.21 | ds2 | don't matter. are you buying the chip from them and getting a copy of THEIR version of linux? |
| 00:02.42 | flyback | they aren't allowed to distribute bin only linux drivers etc for their chip |
| 00:02.44 | flyback | afaik |
| 00:02.54 | ds2 | from what I understand the GPL, random Joe doesn't have any rights to the source unless they gave you a binary |
| 00:03.31 | ds2 | right and did they distro it to you? they are only obligated to give it to their customers |
| 00:03.31 | flyback | customers apply in the gpl |
| 00:03.31 | flyback | afaik |
| 00:04.10 | landley | ds2: he said the SOC vendor still did, which is why I mentioned it. |
| 00:04.34 | flyback | http://www.silicon-data.com/PMDS0402003-SD-LinuxBSP%5B1%5D.pdf |
| 00:04.54 | flyback | busybox |
| 00:04.54 | flyback | etc |
| 00:05.01 | ds2 | yes, and I am saying we are the routermfg's customers, not the SoC mfg's customer |
| 00:05.43 | flyback | does matter about the router mfg |
| 00:05.43 | ds2 | now if we go buy their eval board and got a Linux BSP binary, we are allowed to get the source |
| 00:05.43 | flyback | the soc is still violating the gpl seperately |
| 00:05.51 | flyback | I was just saying it solves the router issue :) |
| 00:05.54 | flyback | my fault |
| 00:33.24 | flyback | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi |
| 00:35.18 | landley | ds2: actually, anybody who gets it downstream from you can also ask you for it. |
| 00:35.47 | flyback | thx landley |
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| 00:48.39 | flyback | hey prpplague |
| 00:48.43 | prpplague | hey |
| 00:48.51 | flyback | I think we got a gpl violator and landley agrees |
| 00:48.59 | flyback | the soc maker for that defult router |
| 00:49.01 | flyback | oh |
| 00:49.02 | flyback | nm then |
| 00:49.04 | prpplague | flyback: yea i saw your post |
| 00:49.18 | flyback | my webpal died :/ I am so mad |
| 00:49.25 | flyback | I got more than $7 in the keyboard etc out of it |
| 00:49.27 | flyback | but still bugs me |
| 00:49.36 | prpplague | what died? |
| 00:49.41 | flyback | I spent $8 tonight in resistors at rs so I can build a jtag |
| 00:49.50 | prpplague | flyback: eh gads why? |
| 00:49.53 | flyback | I dunno but it stopped outputting any video or serial |
| 00:49.58 | flyback | cause I wanted to do this NOW |
| 00:50.09 | flyback | I need motivation and if it takes $8 so be it |
| 00:50.22 | flyback | in the future I will order online for any more jtags I make :P |
| 00:50.36 | prpplague | its not the $8, its the fact you slumped soooooo looooow to go to radio shite |
| 00:50.37 | flyback | those 2 pl2303 cables for $10 each got me started |
| 00:50.45 | flyback | well it's 2 mins from here so :P |
| 00:51.01 | flyback | I might visit the other 2 stores and see if they have any more cables left |
| 00:51.03 | prpplague | yea probably a crack is 2 mins away as well |
| 00:51.14 | prpplague | crack house that is |
| 00:51.19 | flyback | heh |
| 00:51.23 | landley | flyback: I dunno if we do or not. |
| 00:51.40 | landley | I've never heard of them before this. I'm just saying the SFLC can evaluate these. |
| 00:51.41 | flyback | I can use the jtag for my two di-524's, and my juiceboxes |
| 00:51.53 | flyback | yeah I know that's what I mean |
| 00:51.54 | flyback | thx |
| 00:51.57 | landley | prpplague: foul mood? |
| 00:52.14 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 00:52.20 | prpplague | landley: child process troubles |
| 00:52.34 | landley | Child process...? |
| 00:52.41 | landley | (Actual children, or programmatic children?) |
| 00:53.01 | prpplague | landley: my son decided he'd play with one of those sticky rat traps we had in the garage for field mice |
| 00:53.08 | flyback | oil |
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| 00:53.12 | flyback | vegtable oil |
| 00:53.17 | prpplague | landley: then he decided he'd get it on his sister |
| 00:53.17 | flyback | I didn't know you had kids wow |
| 00:53.43 | prpplague | so i just spent the last hour and half cleaning super nasty stick glue of the kids |
| 00:53.52 | prpplague | s/of/off |
| 00:54.10 | flyback | i'm willing here in the near future |
| 00:54.18 | flyback | once I figure out how to isolate it from my lan |
| 00:54.26 | landley | Yeah, that'd do it. |
| 00:54.31 | flyback | to setup a linux box shell with that router hooked to it |
| 00:54.35 | flyback | so people can probe the cpu etc |
| 00:54.40 | landley | My father used turpentine to undo a similar situation when I was on kwaj. |
| 00:54.46 | prpplague | landley: and i've come to realize i've raised a total nerd |
| 00:54.54 | flyback | I like the fact that you can tftp fimware into ram only for testing |
| 00:54.56 | flyback | without flashing |
| 00:55.23 | flyback | I tell you prpplague they ain't no ftdi but these pl2303's aren't bad |
| 00:55.27 | flyback | brb dinner |
| 00:55.35 | landley | (Downside of a small town tropical environment: no traffic, so kid sitting in the middle of the road playing is safe, when the tropical sun _melts_the_road, kid can get road tar on them.) |
| 00:55.36 | prpplague | landley: he hates taking baths, doesn't come his hair, stays on the computer all the time, knows everything you ever didn't want to know about the SR-71 blackbird, and ohhhh the shame..... |
| 00:55.59 | prpplague | landley: he became a script kiddie on saturday and ping flooded his sisters windows laptop |
| 00:56.13 | flyback | HYAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 00:56.16 | flyback | OMGMISSLES |
| 00:56.32 | landley | prpplague: yeah, sounds about right. |
| 00:56.41 | landley | Why is his sister using windows? |
| 00:57.08 | prpplague | landley: hehe, she's me step daughter and her father purchased the laptop |
| 00:57.14 | prpplague | landley: didn't want linux on it |
| 00:57.24 | landley | Ah, that explains it. |
| 00:57.28 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:57.51 | landley | "Don't ping flood your sister's laptop" sounds like a perfectly reasonable parental admonition to me... |
| 00:58.38 | prpplague | he'd tried to ping flood me too, but i ssh'd in and did a shutdown with a wall message "YOU'RE GROUNDED" |
| 00:59.14 | prpplague | i have to go get a shower, bbiab |
| 01:00.11 | flyback | sorry prpplague |
| 01:39.11 | prpplague | holy cow 0.3v cpu |
| 01:39.32 | prpplague | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/02/05/228206.shtml |
| 01:39.42 | flyback | yeah I saw that |
| 01:39.49 | flyback | the yields must suck worse than my sex life |
| 01:41.00 | flyback | I wonder if that has to be halnifum gates to get that low |
| 01:57.39 | ds2 | Hmmm we need more efficient bucking regulators for 1 AA systems ;) |
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| 02:27.33 | flyback | man prpplague I got eight of these 16 meg usb flash drives |
| 02:27.38 | flyback | they were $7 for 4 |
| 02:27.50 | flyback | I opened one up hoping I would get a nand source for the juicebox |
| 02:27.54 | flyback | the nand is cob ugh :P |
| 02:28.08 | flyback | I could remove the tsop controller and tap the pins but that's too painful in tsop |
| 02:29.31 | prpplague | flyback: yea i tried doing that |
| 02:29.35 | prpplague | flyback: its a real pain |
| 02:30.22 | flyback | it's got a bunch of holes for several of the cpu pins |
| 02:30.30 | flyback | I might try a small nor rom just for bootloader |
| 02:30.47 | flyback | the only thing I am not sure of is if I only use 8 of16 addrress lines |
| 02:30.52 | flyback | so I need to ground out the remaining ones |
| 02:30.58 | flyback | if I have to then I might as well not bother |
| 02:31.17 | flyback | i'm building a jtag first |
| 02:31.21 | flyback | so I can play as is etc |
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| 02:31.52 | flyback | i salvaged a bunch of 330uf 6.3v sanyo oscon's from old ppro boards |
| 02:32.10 | flyback | and 5 820uf ones which was perfect to replace the 5 defective electrolytic caps on a celeron 2.6 board |
| 02:32.23 | flyback | but the caps needed are narrow spaced leads :/ |
| 02:32.29 | flyback | still these will be useful |
| 02:32.40 | flyback | I saved the pII 300 boards from some old laptops cause they are all os-con |
| 02:32.41 | flyback | solid caps |
| 02:32.51 | flyback | good for a car pc when it's -30f outside |
| 02:33.34 | flyback | i'm glad to see mb and some psu makers using solid caps |
| 02:33.42 | flyback | hopefully that will drive the price down more and become the norm |
| 02:33.45 | flyback | or a combo of both |
| 02:33.55 | flyback | electrolytic where it's ok and solids for the bad spots |
| 02:34.11 | flyback | after 2 plagues I think the industry is sick of this shit |
| 02:35.03 | flyback | I still haven't figured out if the dht-walnut caps are solids or electrolytic yet |
| 02:36.16 | flyback | oh btw I got 2 wind turbine cores made now comes the problem or a rotaing support etc :P |
| 02:36.20 | flyback | dude |
| 02:36.25 | flyback | that might be a good project for your kid |
| 02:36.37 | flyback | you can make wind turbines from s*** around the house |
| 02:36.53 | flyback | and even a small dc motor or stepper will usually produce enough charge up to light a led or a small mcu |
| 02:37.00 | flyback | might keep him out of trouble for 10 mins or so :P |
| 02:37.08 | flyback | hang ong |
| 02:37.50 | flyback | I did prop ones for now only cause I had some fan props that happen to fit stepper shafts near perfect |
| 02:37.59 | flyback | but I eventually want to do this type |
| 02:38.00 | flyback | http://www.picoturbine.com/ |
| 02:44.34 | flyback | I won't need more than 1/2 watt resistors for jtag right? |
| 02:46.57 | flyback | now I just need to go thru my piles of http://flyback.databurn.net and find a 74HC244 or equivalent |
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| 03:18.23 | flyback | it |
| 03:18.44 | flyback | is starting to look like a very small bootloader mod for the juicebox is going to be the way to go |
| 03:18.53 | flyback | given the rising price of smartmedia |
| 03:18.56 | flyback | ugh |
| 03:20.49 | flyback | IF FREAKING GOOGLE MAKES ME DO THIS STUPID TEXT BOX THING ONE MORE TIME TONIGHT (LIKE THE 12TH) I AM GOING TO GO BURN DOWN ONE OF THEIR DATACENTERS |
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| 03:25.44 | flyback | http://www.overstock.com/Bulk-Electronics/Juice-Box-Personal-Media-Player-bulk-pack-of-6/2039880/product.html |
| 03:25.44 | flyback | wow |
| 03:25.54 | flyback | oh it's old |
| 03:31.00 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 03:31.01 | flyback | http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_FLASH.shtml |
| 03:33.22 | flyback | http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_Ethernet.shtml |
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| 16:04.58 | Mirell | 'allo |
| 16:04.58 | Mirell | So sleepy... |
| 16:27.49 | RobotGuy | G'Morning |
| 16:31.15 | RobotGuy | Are there specific devices for accessing the ADCs and GPIOs, or is that just something to hand code? |
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| 17:20.53 | RobotGuy | Everybody must be working. |
| 17:27.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there are no generic device nodes assigned for gpios |
| 17:27.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or for adc's |
| 17:28.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: usually people write kernel drivers for the sepecific interface they need |
| 17:28.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or use devmem for debugging from user land |
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| 17:50.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, OK. It does not look like I am going to escape Linux device drivers then. |
| 17:50.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what is it that you need to do? |
| 17:51.08 | RobotGuy | Well, actually I can avoid Linux device drivers by using a dsPIC to handle analog inputs. |
| 17:51.21 | RobotGuy | I need more than 2 ADCs anyway. |
| 17:51.57 | RobotGuy | I need the ADCs to interface to Sharp IR Ranging sensors. |
| 17:54.00 | prpplague | still going to have to do some processing of the data |
| 17:55.25 | RobotGuy | True, but I won't have to write a Linux device driver to get the data. :) |
| 17:55.40 | RobotGuy | I can do all the pre-processing in the dsPIC. |
| 17:56.04 | RobotGuy | Ic an get 5 ADCs from each dsPIC4012. |
| 17:56.49 | RobotGuy | Plus 1 quadrature encoder module per 4012 |
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| 17:57.56 | landley | Morning all. |
| 17:58.01 | landley | (With 3 minutes to spare in this timezone...) |
| 17:58.39 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 17:59.01 | RobotGuy | I have the pyserial module installed for Python on Hammer now. That should allow me to start fiddling with control code for my robots. |
| 17:59.08 | landley | prpplague: hiya. |
| 17:59.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whatever makes you happy, but its alot easier to write code under linux than for a pic |
| 18:01.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The dsPICs are just for data aquisition and maybe some pre-processing. |
| 18:01.22 | RobotGuy | Would you go the device driver route? |
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| 18:02.07 | prpplague | without knowing more info, i'd go with the driver under linux, but maybe someone more familiar with doing robotics would be better to ask |
| 18:03.22 | RobotGuy | I could see writting a device driver for specific hardware, but not for something like a dsPIC that can be configured so many different ways. |
| 18:04.42 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: the right way is clearly a flexible device driver that takes ioctls, and emits compiled code which it uplinks to the pic. |
| 18:05.15 | landley | Might want to look at what the Cell processor guys did. |
| 18:05.47 | landley | (Not that I'm all that familiar with it, I just know that chip has 8 built-in DSPs, and that if it had shipped when it was first hyped in 2005 it might have actually mattered.) |
| 18:06.52 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I'm not seeing how the data from the driver would be accessed by the dsPIC. |
| 18:07.42 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: more seriously - you'd need to write some sort of code on the dspic to basically configure what A/D readings you wanted done, when, what processing to perform on them and when to give the readings back to the host |
| 18:08.02 | SpeedEvil | and then make it able to take those commands over I2C/SPI/UART |
| 18:08.44 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I realize this and already have much of the code I need. The dsPICs would be connected to Hammer via I2C. |
| 18:09.03 | SpeedEvil | So usermode code just says "open ADC 2 and 4 in differential mode sampled at 1Khz and filter to 10Hz giving me the samples at 20Hz |
| 18:11.52 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Yes, something like this can be done. It can be done by sending commands to the dsPIC via I2C. |
| 18:13.28 | RobotGuy | If I had an ADC chip rather than a dsPIC, I can definitely see why writing a device driver would be the correct way to go. |
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| 18:16.53 | SpeedEvil | A flexible device driver with a client program on teh dspic that supported any of a range of dspics would be lovely |
| 18:16.56 | SpeedEvil | but.. |
| 18:18.45 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: True. I'm not sure how such a driver should be done though, and I have not checked the full range of dsPICs to see if all the hardware modules are the same (resolutiin of ADCs, etc). |
| 18:18.55 | RobotGuy | resolution even |
| 18:19.34 | SpeedEvil | there are a small set of possible modules |
| 18:19.43 | SpeedEvil | it varies a little |
| 18:20.21 | RobotGuy | For instance, a dsPIC30F4012 can have up to 8 ADCs, a Quadrature Encoder Module (shares with some ADC pins), GPIOs, etc. |
| 18:20.41 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it's challenging. |
| 18:20.55 | SpeedEvil | I said it'd be cool, not easy :) |
| 18:21.36 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I'm just not sure I am up to that particular challenge right now, but it's intriguing though. |
| 18:21.55 | RobotGuy | I don't know anything about writing Linux device drivers right now. |
| 18:24.01 | RobotGuy | I do see some possibilities for having a device driver to talk to dsPICs if I make the dsPIC more general and include configuration commands. |
| 18:24.59 | RobotGuy | I've been tossing the idea around in my brain of having different generic modules for stuff like ADCs, etc. |
| 18:26.22 | RobotGuy | Something you could configure to interface in different ways, like I2C, RS-232, SPI, etc. |
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| 18:29.35 | RobotGuy | Even USB. |
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| 18:59.20 | RobotGuy | I have to switch to Windows now to work on my BRAT. Had to solder the power wires to the Bot Board II because I broke the screw terminals off. |
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| 19:23.43 | RobotGuy | Off to Windows XP, I go. |
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| 21:01.20 | landley | Somebody here mentioned the early printk stuff, is there a reference I should go read? |
| 21:01.48 | landley | (I want to print out a "hello world" message to serial as early in the boot as possible, I'm wondering how early that is...) |
| 21:02.12 | SpeedEvil | depends how hacky you're feeling. |
| 21:02.24 | SpeedEvil | You could even put it in the bootloader |
| 21:02.31 | SpeedEvil | oh - missed the first line |
| 21:02.47 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. I almost remember where I saw such. |
| 21:03.02 | SpeedEvil | I can't help other than it was on LKML |
| 21:03.10 | SpeedEvil | which probably is not much help. |
| 21:19.15 | landley | Somebody on here mentioned it, I think. |
| 21:19.59 | landley | I want to compile a bootable kernel, from the linux source, that does nothing but print "hello world" to the serial port via a printk(). |
| 21:20.20 | landley | Strip out everything else. Block layer, vfs, memory management, process scheduler, the works. |
| 21:20.37 | landley | So that when I add stuff back, I know what's required and how to build it. |
| 21:20.42 | landley | (Preferably, how to build it with tinycc. :) |
| 21:25.39 | ds2 | any luck doing it, landley? and on what platform/hw? |
| 21:26.16 | landley | ds2: no, and qemu. |
| 21:26.31 | landley | I'm bashing away as usual, but the early_printk() stuff looks like the way to do the printing. |
| 21:26.46 | landley | I just want to confirm that the 32-bit C code is running. (start_kernel() I think). |
| 21:27.05 | ds2 | could you just replace the exec of init with a printk loop? |
| 21:27.10 | landley | The setup stuff before there switching into 32 bit mode and initializing the mmu and such all has to run before it can go to C. |
| 21:27.23 | landley | ds2: by the time it's done the exec of init it's brought up a dozen subsystems. |
| 21:27.27 | landley | I want to remove those subsystems. |
| 21:27.39 | ds2 | hmmmm |
| 21:27.47 | landley | No vfs, no block layer, no buddy allocator, no process scheduler... |
| 21:28.01 | landley | I just want it to boot to 32 bit C code and say "hello world". |
| 21:28.03 | landley | That's step 1. |
| 21:28.23 | Mirell | Managers hate it when I tell them certain things need to be run by QA first. |
| 21:28.25 | landley | Then I can add the other subsystems back in one at a time and see what they _do_. |
| 21:28.34 | landley | Mirell: such as? |
| 21:28.49 | ds2 | might be easier to do it with 1.0 or 1.2 |
| 21:29.20 | landley | Nah, defeats the purpose. |
| 21:29.25 | landley | I want to build the kernel with tinycc. |
| 21:29.43 | ds2 | with a modern kernel? |
| 21:29.44 | landley | Eventually unmodified, probably using the original kernel makefiles. |
| 21:29.51 | landley | Yup, 2.6.24 or newer. |
| 21:30.06 | landley | And to start with, I want to build just enough to say "hello world" and make sure tinycc can handle that. |
| 21:30.14 | landley | But first, I need to make gcc handle that... |
| 21:30.20 | prpplague | landley: still tweaking the nail |
| 21:30.27 | landley | prpplague: cool. |
| 21:30.28 | Mirell | landley: Anything that modifies the database, alters tables, et cetera. |
| 21:30.30 | prpplague | landley: ran into a problem today with the hub |
| 21:30.57 | landley | prpplague: fixable? |
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| 21:39.38 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 21:39.54 | landley | Good to hear. |
| 21:40.05 | landley | I'm heading starbucks-wards in a minute or so... |
| 21:40.06 | prpplague | landley: the ft2232 was reporting it needed 200mA, and the hub was saying it could only provide 100mA |
| 21:40.09 | prpplague | landley: later |
| 21:40.17 | landley | Was the hub lying? |
| 21:54.53 | ds2 | is the hub being powered through its "external"/"self" powered pins? |
| 21:57.17 | prpplague | ds2: no |
| 21:57.26 | prpplague | ds2: it was correct in reporting 100mA |
| 21:57.36 | prpplague | ds2: the ft2232 was incorrect in reporting 200mA |
| 21:57.52 | prpplague | ds2: we were using the same eeprom config as the flyswatter |
| 21:58.17 | prpplague | ds2: which has a much higher current draw since it has several level shifters and leds |
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| 23:06.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh the joys of night time feeding |
| 23:06.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was pretty darn lucky |
| 23:06.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: my son would sleep all night long, we'd have to wake him up to feed |
| 23:07.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: probably should change your poll too |
| 23:07.41 | ds2 | wonder when did we as a spieces moved from parents having to feed the offspring instead of the off spring just getting some as needed like other critters |
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| 23:20.53 | prpplague | ds2: mammals in general feed their young |
| 23:21.53 | prpplague | i would assume it became a methodology to improve the chances of an offsprings survival |
| 23:22.23 | prpplague | and as most mammals don't produce as often or in the same numbers as say reptiles |
| 23:22.44 | prpplague | the importance of the survival on smaller numbers became important |
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| 23:22.47 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, I am not seeing anything from ds2. |
| 23:23.13 | prpplague | <ds2> wonder when did we as a spieces moved from parents having to feed the offspring instead of the off spring just getting some as needed like other critters |
| 23:24.02 | ds2 | prpplague: that's not what I mean |
| 23:24.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: any new threads on the robotics mailing lists regarding the hammer? |
| 23:24.07 | prpplague | ds2: oh |
| 23:24.12 | prpplague | ds2: must have miss understood |
| 23:24.16 | ds2 | with things like cats, rats, etc, the offspring goes to the mother for food |
| 23:24.27 | ds2 | we seem to be the only mammal we goto the offspring instead |
| 23:24.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If you mean PARTS and the Seattle lists, nothing new other than what I post from time to time. |
| 23:24.40 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 23:24.49 | RobotGuy | Now I see ds2 |
| 23:25.11 | ds2 | it seem to make sense for the mother and offspring to sleep together and for the offspring to feed on demand |
| 23:25.40 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 23:26.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: heard anything from scheer or the hylands? |
| 23:26.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am ready to try connecting Hammer to my SSC-32, but I don't have any servos I can connect to it besides those on W.A.L.T.E.R. already. |
| 23:27.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh |
| 23:27.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Just stuff I mostly don't quite understand, like why they don't see a need to go to the latest Squeak for the Hammer port. |
| 23:27.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 23:27.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: indeed i read |
| 23:28.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: cutting edge versions aren't always the best |
| 23:28.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, I do have the BRAT (6 servo biped), but I have to keep that connected directly to the Atom PRO. |
| 23:28.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: 3.9 is stable though. 3.10 would be cutting edge. |
| 23:28.40 | prpplague | stable isn't what i meant though |
| 23:28.50 | prpplague | its also in terms of features and size |
| 23:29.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: True, but I won't be needed all of its features, starting with a small image and adding what I need. |
| 23:30.21 | prpplague | yea well thats between you and those squeak guys |
| 23:31.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I already have Python with the PySerial module on Hammer, so may stick with that for now. I have this thing about not having the latest versions of software. |
| 23:32.02 | RobotGuy | Unless the latest versions break something major. |
| 23:34.42 | RobotGuy | Right now, my head hurts from dang buggy IDE software for the Atom PRO. One major command does not work right, and of course I need to use it. |
| 23:37.20 | prpplague | later |
| 23:37.38 | RobotGuy | flyback-: WHY do you do this on every channel you are on? |
| 23:37.47 | flyback- | cause I am insane |
| 23:38.02 | RobotGuy | I'll just ignore you. |
| 23:38.15 | flyback- | that's ok I ignore myself all the time |
| 23:38.26 | flyback- | espically when I get into shouting matches |
| 23:43.22 | flyback- | http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ2MCw5LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== <--- how to be a c*** sucking power supply maker in 5 easy steps |
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