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| 00:05.59 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 00:10.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey hey |
| 00:10.54 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey dude what's cookin? |
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| 00:18.19 | prpplague | nada |
| 00:18.27 | prpplague | too tired |
| 00:18.51 | prpplague | we have a big big big sale riding on some work getting done by mid day tuesday |
| 00:24.14 | cajaka | Normal stock or is a custom deal? |
| 00:24.44 | prpplague | custom deal |
| 00:24.51 | prpplague | hence the work that has to be done |
| 00:25.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: you working the weekend? |
| 00:25.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: probably go into the office |
| 00:26.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't see how i can finish in time without doing that |
| 00:27.45 | GPSFan | sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. |
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| 00:47.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: yep |
| 01:07.40 | prpplague | http://elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 01:07.46 | prpplague | updated with photos |
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| 01:17.47 | roxfan | cute |
| 01:29.12 | prpplague | indeed |
| 01:34.09 | prpplague | looks like we are going to bundle it with a hammer module for $189 |
| 01:34.17 | prpplague | ds2: ?? |
| 01:34.30 | ds2 | <--- bored |
| 01:35.50 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:36.32 | prpplague | i already love me nail board |
| 01:36.43 | prpplague | its perfect for devn on a laptop |
| 01:37.21 | ds2 | is the hammer going to be at ESC? |
| 01:39.03 | prpplague | no i don't think so |
| 01:39.32 | ds2 | i am safe from am impluse buy then ;) |
| 01:42.29 | prpplague | why;s that? |
| 01:44.43 | ds2 | it is a bigger temptation when the product is in front of you |
| 01:51.44 | prpplague | ds2: at esc? i didn't think they allowed you to sell product at the conference |
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| 02:33.44 | flyback- | MOTHER CANUCKING TENSION HEADACHES SUCK |
| 02:41.29 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's sweet. |
| 02:41.43 | flyback- | yo |
| 02:41.45 | flyback- | GPSFan: |
| 02:41.57 | flyback- | what did you think of the router docs I putup |
| 02:42.00 | flyback- | for that $10 router |
| 02:44.16 | ds2 | prpplague: they didn't? hmmm |
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| 02:50.05 | prpplague | flyback: please refrain from the usage of the word canuck |
| 02:50.47 | flyback- | ok |
| 02:51.01 | flyback- | prpplague: you know seagate hd's have a terminal program |
| 02:51.16 | flyback- | I am thinking of soldering one of those 4 pl2303 cables to my 160 gig |
| 02:51.19 | flyback- | and watch it in action |
| 02:51.45 | flyback- | btw you know those 2 cables I got for $10 each on clearance at radio shack? I got 2 more at another one for $5 each |
| 02:51.55 | flyback- | I was tempted to clean out the store but I figure 4 is enough for now :) |
| 02:52.21 | flyback- | I also figured out how to solder a soic20 74HC244D for a jtag if this damn headache will stop long enough |
| 02:52.32 | flyback- | sorta half dead bugging it |
| 02:52.34 | flyback- | :P |
| 02:52.51 | flyback- | and solder the resistors right to the pins |
| 02:52.57 | prpplague | flyback: asbergers(SP?) have of OCD issues? |
| 02:53.04 | flyback- | yeah :/ |
| 02:53.12 | flyback- | most annoying part |
| 02:58.52 | flyback- | http://hddguru.com/content/en/articles/2005.10.01-Seagate-RS-232-adapter-schematic/ <--- going to use one of my pl2303 usb cables I think |
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| 04:16.32 | flyback | prpplague: |
| 04:16.46 | flyback | on some juiceboxes with a sob cpu |
| 04:16.50 | flyback | you notice all the litttle holes |
| 04:17.02 | flyback | any idea if there are enough holes to use to attach a small rom |
| 04:17.20 | flyback | also if I do this and only say use 8 address lines out of 16 so I need to ground out all the other ones |
| 04:23.15 | flyback | btw vista sp1 replaces the vista kernel with 2008 kernel |
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| 05:19.54 | Mirell | 'lo landley |
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| 05:30.47 | RobotGuy | Is anyone using a build environment for Hammer OTHER than Buildroot?? |
| 05:38.16 | RobotGuy | I think I will finish setting Open Embedded up and see what I can do with that. |
| 05:40.05 | landley | RobotGuy: yeah, me. |
| 05:40.12 | landley | http://landley.net/code/firmware |
| 05:40.37 | landley | Although it'll need a different kernel .config to build a bootable kernel, but it creates its own cross compiler and root filesystem. |
| 05:41.06 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I know you do landley, but I don't know if I am up to working that way right now. |
| 05:42.25 | landley | :) |
| 05:42.28 | landley | Well you asked. |
| 05:42.38 | landley | Still haven't tried it, I take? |
| 05:43.02 | RobotGuy | I'd have to mount my thumb drive as / to get everything where buildroot wants to put it. :( |
| 05:43.18 | RobotGuy | landley: No, not yet. Still trying to get buildroot to work for me. |
| 05:48.52 | RobotGuy | What would cause tmpfs to not get mounted? |
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| 05:50.18 | ds2 | do it by hand |
| 05:50.25 | ds2 | no need for a stinkin build system :P |
| 05:50.32 | RobotGuy | I tried and the mount fails. |
| 05:50.43 | ds2 | not compiled in? |
| 05:50.45 | ds2 | =) |
| 05:50.58 | RobotGuy | What not compiled in? tmpfs? |
| 05:51.08 | ds2 | you specifying everything by hand or using fstab? |
| 05:51.11 | ds2 | yes, tmpfs |
| 05:51.16 | ds2 | happened to me yesterday |
| 05:51.20 | RobotGuy | I don't think there is a compile option to compile it in. |
| 05:51.25 | ds2 | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 05:51.28 | ds2 | see if tmpfs is listed |
| 05:51.43 | ds2 | if not, check your config. it is under filesystems, pseudofilesystems... I think it is the first one |
| 05:51.56 | RobotGuy | tmpfs is there |
| 05:52.33 | ds2 | then what is your mount command? |
| 05:52.46 | RobotGuy | mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp |
| 05:53.05 | ds2 | what is the exact error? |
| 05:53.32 | RobotGuy | mount: mounting tmpfs on /tmp failed |
| 05:53.38 | ds2 | hmm |
| 05:53.52 | RobotGuy | I will check file ssytems in my kernel |
| 05:54.04 | ds2 | does "ls -ld /tmp" look like a directory to you? (drwx...) |
| 05:54.18 | ds2 | if it is listed in /proc/filesystems, it is there |
| 05:55.49 | ds2 | oh and is / rw? |
| 05:56.08 | RobotGuy | drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Feb 8 2008 /tmp |
| 05:56.48 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.55 | RobotGuy | writable |
| 05:57.12 | ds2 | final check, any hints from the output of "dmesg"? the last few lines are of interest |
| 05:57.33 | ds2 | sorry, one other thing is / full? |
| 05:58.32 | RobotGuy | ds2: http://www.pastebin.ca/897091 |
| 05:58.51 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.56 | ds2 | hmmmm no reason why it should fail |
| 06:02.08 | ds2 | type it again and try in case you had some ^H's or ^? hidden in there? |
| 06:02.17 | RobotGuy | That's my thought also, which is why I don't understand it. |
| 06:02.28 | RobotGuy | Just spaces. |
| 06:02.37 | ds2 | backspaces sometimes get taken care of by the terminal but not by the shell |
| 06:02.49 | RobotGuy | Failed |
| 06:03.10 | ds2 | got strace installed? |
| 06:03.35 | RobotGuy | No |
| 06:03.35 | ds2 | anyone else feel free to step in |
| 06:03.40 | ds2 | oh |
| 06:04.17 | ds2 | I wonder if there is something weird with your mount |
| 06:04.19 | ds2 | try this - |
| 06:04.25 | ds2 | mount -t tmpfs /dev/null /tmp |
| 06:05.43 | RobotGuy | Is that supposed to be /dev/null/tmp ?? |
| 06:05.51 | ds2 | no |
| 06:06.02 | ds2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.06 | RobotGuy | It did not work. |
| 06:06.54 | ds2 | what's 'pwd' say? |
| 06:07.30 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.04 | ds2 | do you have enough memory? |
| 06:08.26 | RobotGuy | # free |
| 06:08.26 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.26 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.26 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.26 | RobotGuy | Total: 30552 11788 18764 |
| 06:08.58 | ds2 | just for kicks, try this "mount -n -t tmpfs /dev/null /tmp" |
| 06:09.21 | RobotGuy | Failed |
| 06:10.06 | ds2 | what's the output of "mount" by itself? |
| 06:11.10 | RobotGuy | http://www.pastebin.ca/897101 |
| 06:11.50 | ds2 | while you are doing paste bins, dump the output of /proc/filesystems |
| 06:12.50 | RobotGuy | http://www.pastebin.ca/897102 |
| 06:15.31 | ds2 | you got me. everything looks as it should |
| 06:15.38 | RobotGuy | Dang |
| 06:15.43 | ds2 | one more just for kicks experiment - |
| 06:15.48 | RobotGuy | Maybe I am not so crazy afterall. |
| 06:15.49 | ds2 | mount -t tmpfs /dev/null /mnt |
| 06:16.04 | RobotGuy | Failed |
| 06:16.28 | ds2 | hmmmmmmm |
| 06:16.42 | RobotGuy | Interesting |
| 06:17.16 | ds2 | normally, I'dcheck with strace to see what is failing |
| 06:18.44 | ds2 | unless you are show on memory... |
| 06:19.10 | ds2 | try this: "mount -t tmpfs -o size=1M /dev/null /tmp" |
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| 06:22.47 | RobotGuy | I am including strace in my next filesystem build |
| 06:23.07 | RobotGuy | Failed |
| 06:23.51 | flyback | http://www.nxp.com/package/SOT163-1.html <--- DEVIL |
| 06:25.23 | ds2 | you have an impressive failure there |
| 06:25.34 | RobotGuy | Gee, thanks.. :P |
| 06:25.47 | RobotGuy | I get that a lot |
| 06:27.11 | RobotGuy | It's nearly impossible for me to create a filesystem for /usr that has everything it needs. |
| 06:28.52 | ds2 | with strace, I'd build it once, save it aside and turn it off |
| 06:28.57 | ds2 | then copy it on as needed |
| 06:31.54 | RobotGuy | Say what? |
| 06:32.15 | RobotGuy | Care to say that in English? ;) |
| 06:32.30 | ds2 | build it, copy the strace binary off to somewhere else |
| 06:32.33 | ds2 | turn off |
| 06:32.38 | ds2 | then copy it onto the board as needed |
| 06:32.46 | RobotGuy | WHy turn it off? |
| 06:33.01 | RobotGuy | I also do not have /mnt/flash |
| 06:34.22 | ds2 | build it |
| 06:34.41 | ds2 | do a find for 'strace' and cp it to another directory |
| 06:34.58 | ds2 | built it again w/o strace |
| 06:35.20 | ds2 | use that image until you need strace, then copy it onto the board via USB net from that directory you stashed it |
| 06:36.27 | ds2 | flyback: dead bug it |
| 06:39.19 | flyback | na |
| 06:39.22 | flyback | I am sorta dead bugging it |
| 06:39.32 | flyback | soldering the pins that get grunded to the pcb |
| 06:39.39 | flyback | and soldering the resistors to the pins bent up |
| 06:39.45 | flyback | dead bug would be a disaster for me |
| 06:39.52 | flyback | because of my spacial defects in my brain |
| 06:40.01 | flyback | that is extremely painful tot hink of it being upside down |
| 06:40.04 | flyback | in terms of where wires go |
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| 06:55.36 | RobotGuy | I can't deal with this anymore. |
| 06:55.42 | RobotGuy | Not right now |
| 06:56.25 | flyback | what? |
| 06:56.27 | flyback | need some help? |
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| 07:58.17 | Mirell | Hmmm... |
| 08:19.21 | flyback | <flyback> hey |
| 08:19.23 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.25 | flyback | <pepsi_> hello |
| 08:19.27 | flyback | <flyback> they used a hc244 for the cross between +3.3 and +5 |
| 08:19.29 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.31 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.20 | ds2 | uh |
| 08:29.23 | ds2 | no |
| 08:29.36 | ds2 | that's TTL input |
| 08:29.41 | ds2 | back to sleep |
| 08:31.28 | flyback | actually |
| 08:31.37 | flyback | the inputs are ttl from the parallel port |
| 08:32.11 | flyback | but there is 1 pin that comes from the +3.3 device |
| 08:32.14 | flyback | so I guess that won't work |
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| 10:43.32 | SpeedEvil | AIUI - probably not |
| 10:43.48 | SpeedEvil | The library calls on't be what's taking the time. |
| 10:43.53 | SpeedEvil | It's the simple computation. |
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| 14:15.43 | RobotGuy | G'Morning |
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| 14:45.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: problems? |
| 14:45.48 | RobotGuy | When do I not have problems? |
| 14:46.09 | RobotGuy | Damn length error again. My initrd shrank a bit. |
| 14:47.00 | RobotGuy | I already recalculated the nearest 256K boundary size for Platform Settings, recompiled APEX, and reflashed. |
| 14:48.09 | prpplague | why do you keep changing it? |
| 14:48.32 | RobotGuy | To see if it will fix the stupid error. |
| 14:48.42 | prpplague | set it to a max value and then leave it along until you are done tinkering |
| 14:49.08 | RobotGuy | I'll just set it to 4 MB then |
| 14:50.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:53.12 | RobotGuy | I still don't like the way buildroot does things. Puts some stuff in /lib, some stuff in /usr/lib, etc. |
| 14:56.26 | RobotGuy | Why are some drivers not selectable for ARM? Is it because they might use assembly code which needs to be rewritten for ARM? |
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| 15:03.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i doubt it, its more likely that the driver option was added by someone doing x86 and just din't think about it for arm platforms |
| 15:09.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: as far /lib and /usr/lib those are functions of the individual packages |
| 15:09.05 | RobotGuy | I guess I will have to take my USB wi-fi adapter back then. I got it for Hammer, but no driver for it. Works with my PC Linux though. |
| 15:09.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you want then in different directories, simple change the package install script |
| 15:09.32 | prpplague | if it works for your pc it works for the hammer |
| 15:09.54 | prpplague | usb is usb is usb |
| 15:11.21 | RobotGuy | Hammer recognizes it but there is not a driver for it. |
| 15:12.31 | prpplague | if there is a driver for your pc there is a driver for the hammer |
| 15:12.34 | prpplague | usb is usb is usb |
| 15:12.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what chipset is it? |
| 15:13.17 | RobotGuy | RaLink |
| 15:14.29 | RobotGuy | http://www.ralinktech.com/ |
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| 15:18.54 | SpeedEvil | Anyone played with squashfs? |
| 15:19.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm having the unsquashfs tool seg-fault on me |
| 15:20.02 | RobotGuy | You should not have squashed it then. |
| 15:20.29 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't. |
| 15:20.32 | SpeedEvil | Dynamode did |
| 15:20.51 | SpeedEvil | It's a flash image I got off their router. |
| 15:20.56 | SpeedEvil | well - my/their router |
| 15:39.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats supported under arm, we use it on several arm devices |
| 15:39.27 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 15:40.59 | RobotGuy | Why can't I select the driver then??????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 16:13.10 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 17:06.36 | adyer | how does that song go? "If wishing made it so..." |
| 17:10.57 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 17:11.18 | prpplague | adyer: the frustrating part is i have no clue whats not working |
| 17:11.29 | prpplague | too many variables |
| 17:26.50 | prpplague | hmm |
| 17:26.59 | prpplague | should be getting atleast garbage on the screen |
| 17:46.21 | adyer | hmm, time to check connections, clocks, and voltages :-( |
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| 18:24.47 | prpplague | adyer: indeed |
| 18:24.51 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 18:25.05 | prpplague | landley: http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board updated |
| 18:29.24 | landley | prpplague: very nice. :) |
| 18:29.58 | landley | Yeah, I definitely think I can use this. |
| 18:30.17 | landley | Out of sheer curiosity I wonder what a photo of the other side would look like, but that side's going to be bolted to the plastic in the case, right? |
| 18:30.27 | landley | Seems kind of flat from the later pictures anyway. |
| 18:32.17 | prpplague | landley: yea its pretty flat |
| 18:32.36 | prpplague | landley: there are a coupld components on that side, but they are flat |
| 18:36.15 | prpplague | landley: look like you expected? |
| 18:39.54 | landley | Closer than the first version, certainly. :) |
| 18:41.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:41.51 | landley | It still looks like there are about as many components on this side of the board as there is space on the other side of the board. |
| 18:42.04 | landley | Still, this is fine. |
| 18:42.20 | prpplague | landley: i'm sorry, i didn't understand your statement |
| 18:42.49 | landley | Way back when I was thinking of a thicker, less long version that would be double sided. |
| 18:43.02 | landley | But that's before it developed a "tether" usb cable. |
| 18:43.18 | landley | Wasn't there a schematic that had little arrows pointing to the components with names? |
| 18:43.31 | prpplague | landley: ahh yea, this is a first rev to test the electronics as well as the whole functionality |
| 18:43.52 | prpplague | landley: well it wasn't a schematic, it was a board profile |
| 18:44.10 | prpplague | landley: i've removed that and our media guy is doing a real picture with the arrows |
| 18:44.18 | landley | prpplague: a more squished might appeal more to software people, but would be a pain in the ass for hardware people. |
| 18:44.33 | landley | I suspect this all one one side version is the best balance for both kinds of hobbyists. |
| 18:44.36 | prpplague | landley: indeed, thats kinda why we went with this |
| 18:44.37 | landley | (Wild guess.) |
| 18:44.45 | landley | Not complaining. :) |
| 18:44.49 | prpplague | landley: hehe, np |
| 18:45.36 | prpplague | landley: if there is indeed demand we might go with a more fixed version for software developers that would be much smaller and have virtually no hardware hacking features |
| 18:45.57 | landley | Looking at the "hammer with pen" side view and the mock up of the case right above it... what's the clearance on the sides of the case? |
| 18:46.57 | prpplague | landley: the case was designed for a very tight fith |
| 18:46.58 | prpplague | fit |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | landley: so the plastic basically holds the board in place |
| 18:47.23 | landley | ok |
| 18:47.44 | landley | I wonder how much whacking it can take in operation? |
| 18:47.52 | landley | (It is all solid state, but it's on a dangly cord...) |
| 18:47.56 | landley | How long's the dangly cord again? |
| 18:49.12 | prpplague | landley: the cable is a standard USB cable, so you can get it as short or as long as you want |
| 18:49.27 | prpplague | landley: the device is pretty solid |
| 18:49.48 | prpplague | landley: vibration and "banging" should be a problem |
| 18:50.06 | landley | prpplague: I was wondering how long you wanted to package it with. |
| 18:50.33 | prpplague | landley: ahh, yea i think we had a line on 1.5 foot cables |
| 18:50.44 | landley | My laptop is currently on a table with maybe ~3 inches clearance between the USB connectors and the edge. |
| 18:51.39 | landley | A cable that could bend 90 degrees within that space could lay the nail along the right edge of the laptop and stay on the table. |
| 18:52.07 | landley | Or it could be longer and bend around behind the laptop. |
| 18:52.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:52.14 | landley | In between, it would dangle off the edge as a tempting cat toy. |
| 18:52.25 | prpplague | landley: we stock a six foot cable, but thats way too long - http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16137&cat=249&page=1 |
| 18:52.59 | prpplague | landley: let me think about the usb cable issue and get back with you on it in a day or so |
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| 19:06.44 | landley | prpplague: short is fine for me. Remember I was originally advocating it plug straight in like a USB key, except the weight might damage the slot and the length makes it too much of a lever if it's brushed against. |
| 19:06.58 | landley | Long cables would make it hard to throw in a pocket. |
| 19:07.30 | landley | I suspect "about as long as the rest of the board" is fine, if its flexible enough. |
| 19:10.01 | prpplague | yea |
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| 19:52.32 | GPSFan | prpplague: did you have any success in getting 2.6.24 patched for the hammer? |
| 19:59.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, the core is real easy |
| 19:59.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: just been too swamped to get out a release |
| 20:00.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: gonna try for it thursday of next week |
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