| 00:20.40 | Mirell | Yay, I get a new bed tomorrow. |
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| 01:44.32 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 01:44.51 | prpplague | flyback: one of you is more than enough |
| 01:45.58 | prpplague | wmat: any idea who glen is on the wiki? |
| 01:46.01 | prpplague | he's been very busy |
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| 02:31.57 | T0mW | prpplague: wassup? |
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| 02:45.34 | Mirell | OT, Cat Surfing: http://www.webpark.ru/comments.php?id=32446 |
| 02:46.16 | Mirell | Calling any Russian speakers to figure out WTF is going on. ^^ |
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| 02:52.41 | T0mW | Who says that the cats do fear water? Cat Nikolasha together with their friend Domingo are regularly occupied by serfingom on San- Bartolo beach |
| 02:53.58 | T0mW | Mirell: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr |
| 02:58.05 | MonMotha | does anybody happen to know much about capacitive touchscreens? |
| 02:58.23 | MonMotha | I'm looking for resources if one were to want to build their own controller |
| 02:58.37 | MonMotha | either that or a reasonably priced one capable of multiple touch sensing |
| 03:02.22 | T0mW | all I have worked with is resistive screens. |
| 03:06.33 | flyback- | yo T0mW |
| 03:06.38 | flyback- | webpal died :( |
| 03:06.54 | MonMotha | which can't really be made multiple touch capable |
| 03:07.03 | flyback- | MonMotha: |
| 03:07.06 | flyback- | how old are you |
| 03:12.06 | Mirell | T0mW: True, but Babelfish really sucks. ^^ |
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| 04:40.48 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 04:40.50 | Mirell | So am I. |
| 04:41.02 | Mirell | But I need to go to work tomorrow after taking a sick day today. |
| 04:43.01 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 04:43.08 | Mirell | At least I showed up for two hours, declared I was sick, then went back home. |
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| 15:39.34 | hapchap | anyone know of a decent PoE capable ethernet chip? |
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| 15:43.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure none are |
| 15:43.29 | SpeedEvil | the POE bit is always outside it |
| 15:43.51 | hapchap | i see |
| 15:43.52 | SpeedEvil | If the POE bit were inside it, it'd have to integrate the transformers too. |
| 15:44.49 | hapchap | makes sense |
| 15:48.49 | hapchap | SpeedEvil: know of any decent PoE reference designs? |
| 15:52.57 | SpeedEvil | Nope |
| 15:53.18 | SpeedEvil | I'd search POE on analog.com, ti.com internationalrectifier.com and such |
| 15:53.24 | SpeedEvil | looking for SMPS app-notes |
| 15:53.31 | hapchap | yea, im looking at a ti design right now |
| 15:53.36 | hapchap | thanks |
| 15:53.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:31.00 | wmat | prpplague: no, I don't know who Glenn is. Wow, he has been busy. |
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| 19:22.17 | ds2 | CrUnCh |
| 19:22.32 | LyosNorezel | greetings ds2 |
| 19:22.50 | ds2 | morning LyosNorezel |
| 19:23.02 | LyosNorezel | how goes it? |
| 19:23.24 | ds2 | it goes... I suppose |
| 19:23.29 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 19:23.38 | ds2 | at work so... |
| 19:23.44 | LyosNorezel | fun |
| 19:24.43 | ds2 | *nod* |
| 19:24.50 | LyosNorezel | I'm not in too good a mood I'm afraid... I just found out one of my routers that I wanted to upgrade the RAM on... doesn't have an A12 pin... so this RAM is already at it's max |
| 19:25.12 | ds2 | as in the CPU doesn't have it or? |
| 19:25.41 | LyosNorezel | ds2: IDK if the CPU has it or not... I know it's not there on the PCB |
| 19:25.58 | ds2 | ah. what router is this? |
| 19:26.19 | LyosNorezel | DLink DWL-6000AP |
| 19:26.35 | ds2 | doesn't that have a Atheros CPU? |
| 19:26.51 | LyosNorezel | TMPR3927AF Processor (Toshiba MIPS) |
| 19:28.18 | ds2 | hmmmm is there an extra chipselect that is free? |
| 19:28.26 | ds2 | donno much about that proc |
| 19:28.36 | LyosNorezel | ds2: idk yet... |
| 19:30.25 | LyosNorezel | ds2: supposedly this processor has a SDRAM memory interface |
| 19:30.53 | ds2 | are you going by 2nd hand info or you got a datasheet for it? |
| 19:31.07 | LyosNorezel | datasheet |
| 19:31.20 | LyosNorezel | ds2: http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/docs/datasheet/en/MicroController/TMPR3927CF_en_datasheet_031101.pdf |
| 19:31.40 | ds2 | you want to remove the existing RAM and replace it with a higher cap chip? |
| 19:31.47 | LyosNorezel | da |
| 19:32.13 | ds2 | is a higher order signal available? like A13 or A14? |
| 19:32.52 | LyosNorezel | no... not on the PCB |
| 19:33.34 | SpeedEvil | EMS! |
| 19:33.44 | LyosNorezel | EMS?? |
| 19:34.33 | ds2 | there should be extra CS's available... only question is the board bringing them out |
| 19:34.35 | SpeedEvil | kernel driver to access more memory |
| 19:34.57 | LyosNorezel | ah |
| 19:34.58 | ds2 | if you going with EMS, might as well make it a ramdisk and swapfile to it |
| 19:35.13 | SpeedEvil | plus logic using a memory mapped control and window to the larger mem |
| 19:35.38 | LyosNorezel | interesting |
| 19:35.51 | ds2 | just make it a 8 byte control with a small PLD and have a fifo between it and the CPU |
| 19:35.58 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 19:36.05 | LyosNorezel | yack |
| 19:36.10 | LyosNorezel | too much of a hack |
| 19:36.15 | SpeedEvil | trap on any non-present address and remap it to the window |
| 19:36.47 | LyosNorezel | *whistles* |
| 19:36.59 | ds2 | but for that to work, it still depends on you finding a free chipselect to implement the window |
| 19:37.04 | LyosNorezel | the datasheet says there are *6* CS pins |
| 19:37.12 | LyosNorezel | for sdram alone |
| 19:37.22 | ds2 | I was thinking of stealing few bytes from the SDRAM |
| 19:37.39 | ds2 | LyosNorezel: they are shared so there might not be that many free |
| 19:38.03 | SpeedEvil | ds2: nope |
| 19:38.15 | LyosNorezel | ds2: look at the datasheet... page 48... pins 212 through 217 |
| 19:38.42 | SpeedEvil | ds2: if main memory is say 0-8M - the last 1M-4096 is a window |
| 19:39.17 | SpeedEvil | ds2: you write to the last page of physical addresses with the address you want the window to be. |
| 19:39.37 | ds2 | SpeedEvil: you'd still need a PLD to decode that? |
| 19:39.38 | SpeedEvil | ds2: this relies on the CPU being able to remap phys/logical memory flexibly |
| 19:39.47 | SpeedEvil | ds2: yes |
| 19:40.30 | ds2 | so in effect you are creating a new CS |
| 19:41.06 | SpeedEvil | A read to an invalid address causes the CPU to trap, which in the trap handler remaps the trapped address under the window and sets the window hardware |
| 19:42.43 | SpeedEvil | The only 'fast' bit that you need is to determine if to go to the window or the existing chip - this is a three or four bit and though |
| 19:43.45 | LyosNorezel | ds2: question... why do I need a CS pin, when it's an address pin that's missing? |
| 19:44.42 | SpeedEvil | a CS pin can be an effective address pin |
| 19:44.56 | LyosNorezel | interesting |
| 19:45.12 | SpeedEvil | for example if it's 8M RAM, and you put another 8M ram on it, and the system can be configured to use the CS pins right |
| 19:45.35 | LyosNorezel | hmmm |
| 19:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Then all you need is to wire the new one over the top of the old one, except for the CS pin |
| 19:45.47 | SpeedEvil | (harder for BGA) |
| 19:46.07 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: did you, by chance, grab the datasheet? |
| 19:47.35 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:47.44 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: http://www.semicon.toshiba.co.jp/docs/datasheet/en/MicroController/TMPR3927CF_en_datasheet_031101.pdf |
| 19:47.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't have a datasheet for my device |
| 19:47.54 | SpeedEvil | (8M RAM router) |
| 19:47.59 | LyosNorezel | ah |
| 19:48.29 | LyosNorezel | I was hoping you'd take a look at that datasheet and help me figure out where best to rig the A12 pin |
| 19:48.53 | SpeedEvil | what package is it in? |
| 19:48.56 | SpeedEvil | The micro |
| 19:49.47 | LyosNorezel | 240 pin QFP |
| 19:50.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - look for the A12 pin |
| 19:50.29 | SpeedEvil | connect to that |
| 19:50.56 | SpeedEvil | If the OS can handle it's another question |
| 19:50.56 | LyosNorezel | think that would work? |
| 19:51.03 | SpeedEvil | Maybe |
| 19:51.20 | SpeedEvil | if the DRAM controller can handle the new memory, and if the |
| 19:51.35 | SpeedEvil | OS knows enough to set it up |
| 19:51.48 | SpeedEvil | Then it should pretty much work |
| 19:51.51 | LyosNorezel | interesting |
| 19:52.32 | LyosNorezel | I think the real bitch is gonna be soldering such a small wire onto such a small pin |
| 19:53.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not that bad. |
| 19:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Especially with solder paste |
| 19:53.39 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 19:53.50 | LyosNorezel | I wish I had some solder paste |
| 19:53.53 | SpeedEvil | you take a teeny blob of solder paste picked up on the tip of the wire |
| 19:54.08 | SpeedEvil | then you transfer it to the pin |
| 19:54.21 | SpeedEvil | tehn you arrange the wire so that it's on top of the pin, and reheat |
| 19:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Heavily tinning works too |
| 19:55.10 | LyosNorezel | heh... how about when all you have is a 15/30 watt soldering iron (pencil type)> |
| 19:55.11 | LyosNorezel | ? |
| 19:55.17 | SpeedEvil | works fine |
| 19:55.22 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 19:57.54 | LyosNorezel | ooooooo.... |
| 19:58.20 | LyosNorezel | looks like Micron's 512Mbit chips have the same pinout as their 256Mbit chips |
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| 20:01.39 | LyosNorezel | hmmm... should I go with 2 256Mbit chips? (it is an upgrade from the original 128Mbit chips)... or should I jump to the 512Mbit chips? |
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| 20:08.59 | SpeedEvil | what caqn you get? |
| 20:09.17 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: I can get either chip |
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| 21:23.17 | RobotGuy | G'Morning |
| 21:23.55 | ds2 | Morning?! |
| 21:26.10 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 21:26.10 | RobotGuy | Well, OK, maybe it IS afternoon.. |
| 21:27.14 | RobotGuy | I think I was supposed to be somewhere this morning, but I did not go |
| 21:34.45 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 21:35.27 | RobotGuy | Actually, I could still go, but am not going to because it's too hard to get there. |
| 21:36.09 | LyosNorezel | lpl |
| 21:36.12 | LyosNorezel | *lol |
| 21:36.14 | RobotGuy | Spending half the day trying to get a biped to take even a half step can be a real trial. |
| 21:37.25 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 21:37.32 | LyosNorezel | schmuck |
| 21:39.52 | ds2 | it is not doing brucelee kungfu moves yet?!!??!?!?!? what slow progress!!! ;) j/k |
| 21:40.11 | LyosNorezel | hmmm... anyone need some old 16MB to 64MB SDRAM cards? |
| 21:41.00 | RobotGuy | ds2: I have to program each transition manually for this BRAT. |
| 21:41.25 | ds2 | RobotGuy: I know... hence the 'j/k' part =) |
| 21:41.39 | SpeedEvil | LyosNorezel: you've got to multiply by 8 |
| 21:41.54 | SpeedEvil | LyosNorezel: for 8 chip SIMs, or 4 for 4 |
| 21:42.08 | RobotGuy | ds2: :P There is software that could help me, but it does not yet support the method I have for controlling the robot. |
| 21:42.52 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: I know that... and that's not what I'm talking about here... |
| 21:43.10 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: I'm dumping some old SDRAM cards that I have no use for |
| 21:43.16 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:43.23 | SpeedEvil | oh - I misread |
| 21:43.44 | RobotGuy | I missred once and it was almost fatal |
| 21:44.48 | LyosNorezel | SpeedEvil: I figured I'd offer them here... before I went ahead and removed the Serial Eeproms from the cards... and trashed the rest |
| 21:45.49 | RobotGuy | What do the SDRAM cards fit into? |
| 21:46.02 | LyosNorezel | desktops |
| 21:46.53 | LyosNorezel | it's standard 168pin PC66/PC100/PC133 SDRAM cards |
| 21:47.20 | RobotGuy | Ahhh, OK, dimms then. |
| 21:47.29 | LyosNorezel | da |
| 21:49.28 | LyosNorezel | any takers? |
| 21:49.58 | RobotGuy | I don't think I could use them. |
| 21:50.29 | LyosNorezel | *shrugs*... more serial eeproms for me then |
| 21:52.47 | roxfan | LyosNorezel: ebay them? |
| 21:53.11 | LyosNorezel | meh... not enough money to get for them... even if they sell |
| 21:53.44 | ds2 | anyone know of a video ipod mini clone that is availabel cheap and has video (TV) out capabilities? |
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| 22:31.02 | flyback- | SDRAM CARDS?!?!? |
| 22:31.16 | flyback- | whatd o you mean cards |
| 22:31.46 | LyosNorezel | flyback: DIMMs |
| 22:31.55 | flyback- | oh just memory |
| 22:31.56 | flyback- | what sizes |
| 22:32.16 | LyosNorezel | 16M to 64M |
| 22:32.29 | flyback- | oh |
| 22:32.31 | LyosNorezel | PC66/PC100/PC133... mixed |
| 22:32.34 | flyback- | actually |
| 22:32.35 | flyback- | save some of those |
| 22:32.44 | LyosNorezel | ummm... |
| 22:32.50 | flyback- | those older chips are good for boosting ram in embedded devices |
| 22:32.52 | flyback- | such as routers and pda's |
| 22:33.03 | LyosNorezel | meh... not mine |
| 22:33.07 | flyback- | unless the are BGA |
| 22:33.08 | flyback- | :p |
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| 22:33.14 | flyback- | prpplague: |
| 22:33.16 | flyback- | tell LyosNorezel |
| 22:33.26 | flyback- | the value of small size sdram |
| 22:33.31 | flyback- | for chip salvage for embedded |
| 22:33.36 | flyback- | canuck you too then :P |
| 22:33.37 | LyosNorezel | flyback: nope... mine all have at least 8MB |
| 22:34.03 | LyosNorezel | so these cards are worthless to me |
| 22:34.49 | adyer | depends on the DIMM, most embedded stuff uses x8 or x16 rams. DIMMS are often x4 parts |
| 22:34.55 | LyosNorezel | flyback: I've already started on them... but I still have 8 left... |
| 22:35.05 | LyosNorezel | flyback: want them? |
| 22:35.39 | LyosNorezel | adyer: that depends on capacity and # of chips |
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| 22:38.21 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:39.00 | flyback- | adyer |
| 22:39.05 | flyback- | some stuff has 2 ram slots :) |
| 22:39.16 | flyback- | lyno what country you in |
| 22:39.32 | LyosNorezel | flyback: USA |
| 22:39.55 | flyback- | hmm |
| 22:40.15 | flyback- | I think I have too many as it is unless they are specific chips good for embedhacks |
| 22:40.33 | LyosNorezel | heh |
| 22:40.51 | LyosNorezel | I do have some microns... |
| 22:41.03 | LyosNorezel | those are usually good for hacking |
| 22:41.22 | LyosNorezel | provided you need something that small |
| 22:41.22 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 22:41.29 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 22:41.51 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 22:42.12 | flyback- | heh |
| 22:42.18 | flyback- | I had to figure out how to get |
| 22:42.20 | flyback- | 2 networks |
| 22:42.22 | flyback- | 2 ip subnets |
| 22:42.30 | flyback- | vm's that defaulted to random subnets |
| 22:42.47 | flyback- | headless and medialess blades to talk to the vm that acts as a pxe server |
| 22:42.59 | flyback- | while somehow being able to talk to that pxe server from another subnet |
| 22:43.11 | flyback- | and somehow get on the net from 2nd subnet |
| 22:43.12 | LyosNorezel | flyback: the micron's I have are 3x 64MB PC100 cards... all three have 8 chips... and are MT48LC8M8A2 |
| 22:43.13 | flyback- | ah hell with it |
| 22:43.17 | flyback- | I am too burned out to explain |
| 22:43.23 | flyback- | which means |
| 22:43.24 | prpplague | *cough* hmm i wonder when a wiki page will be up over that router |
| 22:43.46 | flyback- | probably about the same time I get laid |
| 22:44.08 | flyback- | I don't know 1 line of html |
| 22:44.10 | flyback- | not even hello world |
| 22:44.22 | LyosNorezel | o.0 |
| 22:44.45 | prpplague | flyback: you really should try to focus and do a page |
| 22:44.47 | LyosNorezel | you're joking... right? |
| 22:44.51 | flyback- | nope |
| 22:45.28 | flyback- | prpplague: by the time I get home from work half of the days I can't even remeber where I am |
| 22:45.37 | flyback- | it was scary on the way out the door at work today |
| 22:45.45 | prpplague | flyback: trust me i know |
| 22:45.48 | flyback- | I hear this sound and go "oh that's my boss going down the elevator" |
| 22:45.50 | flyback- | wait |
| 22:46.01 | flyback- | we don't have a elevator that was 2 jobs ago wtf |
| 22:46.27 | flyback- | I have a feeling it's more than just that |
| 22:46.35 | flyback- | I have a feeling in a few yrs I will be in a chair drooling on myself |
| 22:46.36 | flyback- | oh well :/ |
| 22:46.43 | LyosNorezel | LOL |
| 22:47.23 | flyback- | oh man |
| 22:47.28 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 22:47.33 | flyback- | finally got the blades to partially pxe boot at work |
| 22:47.40 | flyback- | mabye now I can start to think about that page |
| 22:47.49 | flyback- | now that the nightmare has a big chunk of it missing |
| 22:53.21 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 22:54.52 | prpplague | wmat: <nag> wiki move? hammer dev? </nag> |
| 22:56.19 | flyback- | sales picking up prpplague? |
| 22:56.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:56.57 | prpplague | i gotta do a release for our buildroot this week |
| 22:57.02 | prpplague | with squeak |
| 22:57.04 | wmat | prpplague: i've gotten a little further in setting up the new host; I had to add some mediawiki crap etc.,; the hammer dev is still at a stand still, as I'm just waiting for a colleague to send me his code for a recent addition of another arm board he did |
| 22:57.12 | prpplague | plus do a PR with linuxdevices about the release |
| 22:57.28 | prpplague | wmat: ahh |
| 22:57.38 | prpplague | wmat: any other thoughts on the board? |
| 22:57.50 | prpplague | wmat: you see the photo's of the nail? |
| 22:58.22 | wmat | prpplague: the hammer is nice, no doubt. And yes, I saw the nail. I haven't looked closely but does the flyswatter work with it? |
| 22:58.46 | flyback- | we have some manurfacturing customers where I work I doubt any of them need anything like this but if I hear any rumors I will foward to you guys |
| 22:59.00 | prpplague | wmat: hehe, no need, it has the flyswatter built in |
| 22:59.10 | wmat | prpplague: ah, even better |
| 22:59.26 | prpplague | wmat: has the jtag and serial port console via the ft2232 |
| 22:59.49 | prpplague | wmat: isn't your lite version free for non-commercial usage? |
| 23:00.08 | wmat | prpplague: yep |
| 23:00.43 | prpplague | wmat: whats the distro retrictions? i.e. if you get the hammer supported, can we include the lite version on our sdk cd? |
| 23:04.18 | wmat | prpplague: I can't remember exactly, but I can find out |
| 23:04.50 | wmat | I have to run, but I'll let you know tomorrow |
| 23:05.21 | prpplague | wmat: thanks |
| 23:06.39 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: the "flyswatter" board... is that one you made |
| 23:06.41 | LyosNorezel | ? |
| 23:08.34 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: well its my pcb design, but the overal was a joint concept of the openocd folks |
| 23:08.45 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: buts its the one tincantools sales |
| 23:08.50 | LyosNorezel | hmmm |
| 23:09.03 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: it was an outcropping of my juicebox hacks |
| 23:09.24 | LyosNorezel | I could use one of those... but the price is more than I can afford |
| 23:09.27 | prpplague | i originally started looking at the fdti chipset to program nand flash |
| 23:09.39 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: $50 ? |
| 23:09.43 | flyback- | is that the usb to gpio ? |
| 23:09.58 | prpplague | flyback-: yea , or rs-232, or jtag or i2c or spi |
| 23:10.01 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: da |
| 23:10.20 | LyosNorezel | I have about $20 USD to my name right now |
| 23:10.20 | prpplague | $50 is pretty darn cheap for a high speed jtag |
| 23:10.32 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: yea well i know what you mean |
| 23:10.46 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: i have some bounty's available |
| 23:10.54 | LyosNorezel | funny thing is... I have one of those blasted chips... |
| 23:11.04 | LyosNorezel | but I don't have a laser printer |
| 23:11.12 | LyosNorezel | so I can't make a PCB |
| 23:11.22 | LyosNorezel | "bounty's"?? |
| 23:12.26 | flyback- | prpplague: could you make a wiggler using a FTDI |
| 23:12.50 | adyer | flyback-: I have a couple :-) |
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| 23:13.36 | adyer | flyback-: only the 2245 has the JTAG stuff |
| 23:13.52 | flyback- | wait it actually has jtag on it? |
| 23:14.10 | flyback- | I was just talking about using a gpio chip basically the same thing that we are using the parallel port as |
| 23:14.15 | LyosNorezel | adyer: actually the FT2232C has JTAG |
| 23:14.20 | flyback- | whoa |
| 23:14.29 | adyer | LyosNorezel: thats what I said |
| 23:14.35 | prpplague | yea the 2232 has jtag aqs well |
| 23:14.42 | flyback- | whoa |
| 23:14.44 | adyer | sorry dain bramage |
| 23:14.53 | flyback- | how much would that be to put together a jtag solution |
| 23:14.54 | flyback- | hmmm |
| 23:14.57 | LyosNorezel | 06:13:36 PM) adyer: flyback-: only the 2245 has the JTAG stuff |
| 23:14.58 | prpplague | i use mine for all kinds of stuff |
| 23:15.04 | adyer | flyback it will run up to 6mhz tclk |
| 23:15.09 | prpplague | the schematic for the flyswatter is open |
| 23:15.16 | prpplague | for non-commercial useage |
| 23:15.18 | flyback- | that's faster than parallel though right? |
| 23:15.22 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: (06:10:54 PM) LyosNorezel: funny thing is... I have one of those blasted chips... |
| 23:15.22 | LyosNorezel | (06:11:03 PM) LyosNorezel: but I don't have a laser printer |
| 23:15.22 | LyosNorezel | (06:11:11 PM) LyosNorezel: so I can't make a PCB |
| 23:15.22 | LyosNorezel | (06:11:22 PM) LyosNorezel: "bounty's"?? |
| 23:15.27 | flyback- | prpplague: I would never :) |
| 23:15.29 | adyer | flyback- but it still is a PITA to program |
| 23:15.37 | flyback- | adyer what do you mean |
| 23:15.52 | adyer | flyback- yes and no about speed. USB latency kills you |
| 23:15.57 | flyback- | oh |
| 23:16.38 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: free hardware in exchange for documents and projects |
| 23:16.42 | adyer | flyback- the docs about usb mode suck, the d2xx library is a pain |
| 23:17.03 | adyer | flyback- but you can crib some code from the openocd project to make it work |
| 23:17.16 | LyosNorezel | prpplague: what kind of documents and projects? |
| 23:17.48 | flyback- | adyer well if it's not better than a parallel port |
| 23:17.52 | flyback- | might as well just stick to that |
| 23:18.13 | flyback- | I was thinking about mabye if any of my super i/o chips on boards had a +3.3 mode for parallel pins |
| 23:18.17 | adyer | flyback-: it is, but it's not a zillion times faster like you might expect. |
| 23:18.21 | flyback- | since I can't find a hc244 |
| 23:18.44 | flyback- | shame LS or F familes won't work |
| 23:19.16 | adyer | flyback-: a parallel port coupled to some logic in a CPLD could come close |
| 23:19.17 | LyosNorezel | flyback: lol... I never did try my wiggler |
| 23:20.22 | flyback- | I found a smt hc244 |
| 23:20.27 | flyback- | broke off a pin almost done :/ |
| 23:20.55 | flyback- | cpld's are one shot though right? |
| 23:20.58 | flyback- | as are gals? |
| 23:21.27 | adyer | flyback- its a generic term, some are one shot, most these days are not |
| 23:21.33 | prpplague | LyosNorezel: right now, the big thing is lcd projects for the hammer |
| 23:21.53 | flyback- | well the ones I had back from salvage are probably 1/2 shot :P |
| 23:22.11 | flyback- | prpplague: start with a nokia 3310 circuit |
| 23:23.02 | LyosNorezel | pity I'm not that advanced of a dev |
| 23:23.39 | flyback- | 84x48 pixel lcd serial bus |
| 23:23.39 | flyback- | cheap < $5 |
| 23:23.39 | flyback- | they are so popular some stores selling things similiar to hammer sell them |
| 23:23.40 | flyback- | nothing like hammer though ;) |
| 23:23.48 | flyback- | plus there is like a whole pile of libs etc for them |
| 23:24.01 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 23:24.35 | flyback- | no dude |
| 23:24.40 | flyback- | these are cake to interface |
| 23:24.44 | flyback- | that's why i said them |
| 23:24.45 | flyback- | cheap |
| 23:24.48 | flyback- | simple to tap |
| 23:24.50 | flyback- | work good |
| 23:25.47 | LyosNorezel | flyback-: if I can't afford to buy a "Flyswatter"... how the hell am I gonna get a "Hammer"? |
| 23:26.11 | flyback- | oh I thought you mean't working on a lcd hack |
| 23:26.12 | flyback- | sorry |
| 23:26.39 | flyback- | i'll give you a juicebox if it makes you feel better |
| 23:26.45 | flyback- | it's no hammer by far though :P |
| 23:26.57 | LyosNorezel | wtf is a juicebox? |
| 23:29.11 | flyback- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juice_Box |
| 23:29.33 | flyback- | http://elinux.org/JuiceBox |
| 23:29.46 | flyback- | I bought 7 when they went down to $13 each |
| 23:29.54 | flyback- | 6 were the better 8 meg vs 2 meg type |
| 23:30.03 | LyosNorezel | heh... interesting toy |
| 23:30.34 | flyback- | jtag |
| 23:30.36 | flyback- | serial pins |
| 23:30.43 | flyback- | the mmc/sd slot |
| 23:30.57 | flyback- | you need a raw nand source though to boot with the existing bootloader |
| 23:31.09 | flyback- | such as soldering a smartmedia or xd card to the cart slot |
| 23:31.28 | LyosNorezel | raw NAND to boot from?!?!?!? |
| 23:31.28 | flyback- | I am going to use the jtag to upload a bootloader into ram to load the rest from sd/mmc for testing |
| 23:31.38 | flyback- | if it works good then I will invest the $$ |
| 23:31.45 | LyosNorezel | now that's unusual |
| 23:31.46 | flyback- | yeah cause the carts look like nand |
| 23:31.55 | flyback- | so it will boot off those |
| 23:32.03 | LyosNorezel | I thought computer could only boot from NOR Flash? |
| 23:32.07 | flyback- | the existing rom is non standard pinout so swapping it wiht a flash chip ain't worth it |
| 23:32.14 | flyback- | yes but this has a rom already |
| 23:32.21 | flyback- | and the bootloader will load from nand |
| 23:32.22 | LyosNorezel | ah |
| 23:32.51 | MonMotha | mmm...NAND |
| 23:33.34 | LyosNorezel | hmmm... interesting... |
| 23:33.59 | LyosNorezel | I just found 5 TMP68301AFR CPUs... |
| 23:34.16 | LyosNorezel | wonder what I could do with these... |
| 23:35.11 | Mirell | Woot, new bed! |
| 23:41.00 | LyosNorezel | well... down to 4 of those CPUs |
| 23:41.09 | flyback- | oh I think I have some o those also lyos |
| 23:41.13 | flyback- | they were in many dot matrix printers |
| 23:41.28 | LyosNorezel | flyback-: oh? |
| 23:41.39 | flyback- | yeah toshiba tmpxxx |
| 23:41.45 | LyosNorezel | kool |
| 23:41.59 | LyosNorezel | do you still have any? |
| 23:42.04 | flyback- | I think but they are oddball |
| 23:42.14 | LyosNorezel | like? |
| 23:42.18 | flyback- | not like 8051 based etc |
| 23:42.50 | flyback- | http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/135498/TOSHIBA/TMP68301.html |
| 23:42.55 | flyback- | not exact match but close |
| 23:43.54 | adyer | lol 68k is oddball and 8051 isn't?! |
| 23:44.13 | LyosNorezel | lol |
| 23:44.38 | LyosNorezel | flyback-: the TMP68301 is exactly what I have |
| 23:44.42 | flyback- | oh wait |
| 23:44.46 | flyback- | it's a m68k clone? |
| 23:44.48 | flyback- | nice |
| 23:44.55 | flyback- | adyer: 8051 is a standard |
| 23:45.05 | flyback- | this was toshiba only oddball |
| 23:47.14 | MonMotha | 8051 is actually fairly clean as far as uC archs go |
| 23:47.19 | MonMotha | especially given its age |
| 23:47.20 | LyosNorezel | flyback-: I'm tempted to attempt to do a "cluster in a box" with the 4 remaining processors I have |
| 23:50.45 | flyback- | :P |
| 23:51.09 | LyosNorezel | like? |
| 23:54.32 | adyer | MonMotha: the 8051 is clean? (maybe in comparison to the 8048). love that non orthoganol instruction set and the bank registers. |
| 23:54.57 | MonMotha | adyer: the instruction set isn't great from a theoretical point of view, but if you're programming it in assembly, it's hella useful |
| 23:55.04 | MonMotha | as are the bank registers |
| 23:55.41 | MonMotha | it's a lot nicer than, say, PIC |
| 23:55.50 | MonMotha | or even HC08 |
| 23:56.25 | MonMotha | all that said, I tend to use AVR nowadays |
| 23:56.30 | adyer | MonMotha: I disagree about the hc08 (not the pic tho) |
| 23:56.48 | MonMotha | well, I've not actually programmed HC08, but it's similar to HC12, right? |
| 23:56.51 | MonMotha | or am I thinking HC11 |
| 23:57.19 | flyback- | actually the 8051 is a good i/o engine |
| 23:57.22 | flyback- | a lot of mice |
| 23:57.23 | flyback- | keyboards |
| 23:57.25 | flyback- | usb flash sticks |
| 23:57.29 | MonMotha | I know I found 8051 to be much easier to program in assembly than HC12 |
| 23:57.30 | flyback- | some scanner engines |