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| 00:08.54 | Mirell | 'allo |
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| 00:16.31 | Madsy | Mirell: Aren't they happening like, once a week now? |
| 00:17.51 | Mirell | Madsy: Heh |
| 00:19.51 | Madsy | Let people trade in their weapons and get an ARM SoC in return. Much more constructive ;-) |
| 00:20.23 | RobotGuy | Madsy: Most definitely! Give them a Hammer Kit in trade. :) |
| 00:21.07 | Madsy | And get that second amendment fixed while you're at it. |
| 00:22.54 | flyback- | what do you mean fixed |
| 00:22.56 | flyback- | it works just fine |
| 00:23.22 | SpeedEvil | Well - the supreme court is ruling on it soon |
| 00:24.33 | Madsy | flyback-: Fixed as in, changed, ratified. I really believe USA needs a more restrictive weapon policy. |
| 00:25.02 | flyback- | I don't |
| 00:25.11 | flyback- | the 2nd amendment is there for a reason |
| 00:25.35 | Madsy | Perhaps it made sense in the time it was written. |
| 00:26.15 | flyback- | it still makes sense now |
| 00:26.27 | RobotGuy | Madsy: We don't want to become a Police State. |
| 00:26.36 | flyback- | if anything we should make teachers carry |
| 00:26.40 | Madsy | RobotGuy: Too late.. |
| 00:26.49 | flyback- | so the next little shit that stands up with a knife at someone gets put in his place |
| 00:27.01 | flyback- | mabye after his splattered remains are all over youtube |
| 00:27.07 | flyback- | stupid fucks will think again next time |
| 00:27.20 | Madsy | Yeah, sure. Just given everyone a gun. That'll solve the problem once and for all. |
| 00:27.27 | Madsy | -n |
| 00:27.29 | flyback- | yeah it would actually most of the time |
| 00:27.51 | flyback- | just like one of my favorite darwin award winners |
| 00:28.03 | flyback- | guy walked into a gun store past 2 cops and lots of customers |
| 00:28.07 | flyback- | "THIS IS A STICKUP" |
| 00:28.15 | Madsy | And making sure that as few people as possible *don't* carry guns, doesn't help at all, right? |
| 00:28.17 | flyback- | forever dead at 20 something and moronic |
| 00:28.44 | flyback- | yep |
| 00:29.30 | Madsy | And to verify that people carrying guns are not complete nutcases, is just a useless gesture. |
| 00:30.16 | Madsy | Yep. Better give everyone a bazooka. Almost like the M.A.D during the cold war. |
| 00:30.16 | flyback- | na not necessarily |
| 00:31.17 | Madsy | Funny that even the police lack guns here in Norway. And the crime is on an all-time low. |
| 00:33.01 | flyback- | yeah good little sheeple |
| 00:33.38 | Madsy | In that case, I enjoy being a sheep. |
| 00:33.53 | flyback- | but anyways |
| 00:34.03 | flyback- | you getting a hammer board or just going arm stuff in general? |
| 00:34.19 | flyback- | I had a nice little arm powered webpal but it died :/ |
| 00:34.22 | Madsy | My handheld has an ARM920 |
| 00:34.31 | flyback- | I have some juiceboxes though I can play with and some arm9 mmuless based routers |
| 00:34.47 | flyback- | my handheld is a intel strongarm pxa270 416mhz |
| 00:34.49 | flyback- | 32 meg ram |
| 00:35.03 | flyback- | 256 meg flash drive, 160 available to user but 0 availble in linux |
| 00:35.06 | flyback- | 2 gig sd card |
| 00:35.07 | Madsy | Wow, pretty fast. |
| 00:35.12 | flyback- | well it would be |
| 00:35.15 | flyback- | if it wasn't for GAYos |
| 00:35.20 | flyback- | palm os is more unstable than I am :P |
| 00:35.20 | Madsy | hehe |
| 00:35.45 | flyback- | linux works somewhat but suspend crashes sometimes, if I could just disable suspend on pressing the power button that would be fine also |
| 00:35.49 | flyback- | and sound is still broken |
| 00:36.20 | Madsy | The GP2X handheld has a ARM920T and a 940T running at 200 mhz |
| 00:36.20 | flyback- | i'm buying a cheap seperate mp3 possibly also video player I am sick of fighting with my palm for media stuff |
| 00:36.25 | flyback- | nice |
| 00:36.31 | flyback- | I seen a ton of nintendo ds hacks |
| 00:36.37 | flyback- | including a neat video codec playyer thing |
| 00:36.42 | flyback- | dvd in like 400 meg |
| 00:36.46 | flyback- | reencoded |
| 00:37.04 | Madsy | I've read a bit about Thumb. I wonder if I can save some space by using that instruction set :) |
| 00:37.12 | Madsy | When writing 64k intros. |
| 00:37.19 | flyback- | some of the linux apps for palm are in thumb |
| 00:37.23 | flyback- | it's slower code |
| 00:37.27 | flyback- | by a good bit I b een told |
| 00:37.32 | flyback- | but smaller and fits in cache better |
| 00:37.36 | Madsy | Sure. Efficieny vs space tradeoff. |
| 00:37.40 | flyback- | so performance is a mixed bah |
| 00:37.41 | flyback- | bag |
| 00:37.59 | flyback- | man one of the smartest things I ever did |
| 00:38.14 | Madsy | I've yet to see a big performance boost due to better use of the instruction cache. |
| 00:38.21 | flyback- | was get a bunch of these 12 inch diameter flower pot cermanic flower pot dishes |
| 00:38.29 | flyback- | and some cermanic or natural stone based floor tiles |
| 00:38.36 | flyback- | great for doing solder work |
| 00:38.51 | flyback- | no static charge and can take tons of heat = fire shield |
| 00:38.57 | flyback- | I put my ups's on top of them etc |
| 00:38.59 | flyback- | just in case |
| 00:39.48 | Madsy | What the heck do you need an UPS for? :-P |
| 00:39.55 | flyback- | uh eh? |
| 00:40.11 | flyback- | we just had a bunch of power outages last sunday like 5-10 with the last one lasting over an hr |
| 00:40.37 | flyback- | I have several ups's 2 are down for maintaince I need to fix them cause I got caught with my pants down |
| 00:40.39 | Madsy | I thought you perhaps had a server farm or two :-) |
| 00:40.43 | flyback- | na |
| 00:40.53 | flyback- | and thx to vmware etc I will need less than I used to |
| 00:41.27 | flyback- | 2 main desktops, 2-3 boxes for doing data recovery and secure deletion of drives being retired etc, mabye a dos box or 2 but most of these will only be on when needed |
| 00:41.50 | flyback- | i'm getting rid of the current ups on my network gear and going to build a 12 volt dc output ups |
| 00:41.56 | flyback- | since all the gear is +12 input |
| 00:42.07 | flyback- | avoid all the conversion loses for more runtime on battery |
| 00:42.49 | Madsy | That reminds me. I fried my old Poly-800 the other day. I gave it 9,5 volts instead of 9 :\ |
| 00:43.06 | Madsy | The synth is older than me. |
| 00:43.07 | flyback- | what is that |
| 00:43.18 | flyback- | mabye you got lucky and only blew a diode or a reg |
| 00:43.19 | Madsy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poly-800 |
| 00:43.30 | Madsy | I hope I just blew a fuse. |
| 00:43.30 | flyback- | OMG |
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| 00:43.34 | flyback- | a korg |
| 00:43.34 | MonMotha | and that fried it> |
| 00:43.35 | MonMotha | ? |
| 00:43.40 | MonMotha | talk about picky |
| 00:43.43 | flyback- | YOU HEATHEN! |
| 00:43.49 | Madsy | :-( |
| 00:44.09 | Madsy | Well, it is 25 years old.. |
| 00:44.20 | Madsy | God knows how much dust it has inside. |
| 00:44.26 | flyback- | should still be fine other than caps drying out |
| 00:44.52 | flyback- | MonMotha: I was thinking about this today |
| 00:45.00 | flyback- | what does overvoltage do |
| 00:45.10 | flyback- | change the circuit material chemically |
| 00:45.16 | flyback- | heating or some of both |
| 00:45.31 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:45.42 | SpeedEvil | mechanically, dielectric breakdown, overheating |
| 00:46.14 | flyback- | wonder if I should trash that old microchannel network card |
| 00:46.20 | flyback- | and reclaim those 74AC244'sd |
| 00:46.36 | flyback- | they are SMT THOUGH but I think this time I found a solution that is easier |
| 00:46.59 | MonMotha | even still, that's only +5.6% |
| 00:47.05 | flyback- | last time I just bent up pins and used the resistors in the circuit to connect to them, the problem was the resistors are too fat to be side by side |
| 00:47.10 | MonMotha | most power inputs are designed assuming +/- 5% |
| 00:47.21 | flyback- | so I ended up breaking off a leg trying to route around |
| 00:47.30 | flyback- | also question |
| 00:47.40 | flyback- | I know they make those little hook things for grabbing legs |
| 00:47.51 | flyback- | do they make something for grabbing via/holes |
| 00:48.00 | flyback- | like for a jtag header without any pins in it |
| 00:48.05 | flyback- | just the holes for pins to solder to |
| 00:48.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:48.30 | flyback- | neat I bet they are $$$ though :/ |
| 00:48.38 | SpeedEvil | they are used in automated test equipment |
| 00:48.56 | flyback- | well that I know |
| 00:49.01 | flyback- | you can make machines to fit |
| 00:49.11 | flyback- | I'm talking about individual things |
| 00:49.19 | flyback- | for a tech to use etc |
| 00:49.29 | SpeedEvil | not seen any |
| 00:50.16 | flyback- | ok |
| 00:50.44 | flyback- | I still haven't probed that disney dream sketcher with one of my pl2303 cables |
| 00:50.47 | flyback- | mabye do that this weekend |
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| 01:08.32 | flyback- | I highly suspect it's a 32 bit cpu |
| 01:08.35 | flyback- | 3 cob's |
| 01:08.45 | flyback- | and the largest one has a row of 5 pins near it |
| 01:09.00 | flyback- | usb port, cartridge port |
| 01:09.09 | flyback- | looks like the touch display lcd is giantplus |
| 01:16.41 | flyback- | <flyback-> http://www.jazwaresstore.com/product/20000.html |
| 01:16.41 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:56.41 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX0zWvYWBaI <== wtf? |
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| 14:35.15 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 15:05.06 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 15:05.10 | purl | landley <n=landley@adsl-76-197-33-46.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 1d 17h 39m 29s ago, saying: 'Too many TLAs.'. |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | wmat: update on the wiki? |
| 15:24.13 | wmat | prpplague: I have a dump as of this morning |
| 15:24.50 | wmat | prpplague: the movial guy was unable to put the db into ro mode though, so I may have to import a few pages later |
| 15:30.53 | prpplague | wmat: ok great |
| 15:31.05 | prpplague | wmat: when do you think you'll have it up on the new server? |
| 15:38.24 | wmat | prpplague: hopefully today, but we'll see how work goes |
| 15:53.02 | chouimat|work | wow someone decided he wanted to loose 100 millions ... |
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| 16:26.31 | prpplague | bummer, looks like we are gonna fold on the WIAV case |
| 16:26.36 | prpplague | bad bad bad news for linux |
| 17:01.28 | SpeedEvil | They don't know. |
| 17:01.57 | SpeedEvil | On legal advice I'm assuming? |
| 17:02.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: on legal advice? |
| 17:02.51 | SpeedEvil | Fold after getting legal advice. |
| 17:03.16 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: no, insurance wise |
| 17:03.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the lawyer says we can win |
| 17:03.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: insurance company doesn't want to fight it |
| 17:03.59 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 17:04.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: which means we'll be funding the next round of blackmail |
| 17:04.53 | SpeedEvil | the insurers pay them off? |
| 17:05.13 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: as i understand it, it will be 50/50 |
| 17:05.39 | SpeedEvil | Damn shame. |
| 17:06.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: just very disappointed at FSF, OSDL, groklaw, and all the others |
| 17:06.39 | SpeedEvil | _way_ too many people think that the problem is solved if you can get drivers for hardware. |
| 17:06.50 | SpeedEvil | And that there are no other possible issues. |
| 17:07.07 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 17:07.10 | prpplague | indeed |
| 17:07.39 | prpplague | well this means that any company using a linux wifi driver in a handheld device is a target |
| 17:07.39 | SpeedEvil | I've noticed that the lowest price I can buy a wifi USB stick has gone up since 2-3 years ago. |
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| 17:22.25 | dijenerate | prpplague: howdy |
| 17:24.16 | prpplague | dijenerate: greetings |
| 17:24.25 | prpplague | dijenerate: whats cookin on the island? |
| 17:25.10 | dijenerate | prpplague: not much, same old, same old |
| 17:25.31 | dijenerate | prpplague: got a minute? |
| 17:25.52 | prpplague | sure whats up? |
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| 17:38.59 | flameman | i found a good sh1 embedded boardl: a GPS :P |
| 17:39.22 | flameman | http://lesinigo.it/RoyaltekREB1000 |
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| 18:47.48 | prpplague | dijenerate: http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3374391358.html |
| 18:54.01 | davidc__ | prpplague: just figured I'd give you a heads up - your hammer board was discussed at the local robotics club last meeting |
| 18:54.05 | davidc__ | prpplague: people seemed to like it |
| 18:54.18 | prpplague | davidc__: hey |
| 18:54.22 | prpplague | davidc__: yea? |
| 18:54.39 | prpplague | davidc__: any details as to what they liked/disliked? |
| 18:54.51 | prpplague | davidc__: which robotics club? |
| 18:55.13 | davidc__ | prpplague: vancouver robotics club... let me think about what the details were |
| 18:55.47 | prpplague | davidc__: ahh yea, the seattle robotics group and portland robotics groups have been pretty active with hammer testing |
| 18:56.17 | prpplague | davidc__: Robotguy has been doing demo's at some of the area meetings |
| 18:57.06 | prpplague | today was our annual chilli contest at the office |
| 18:57.57 | prpplague | davidc__: did you attend? |
| 18:58.21 | davidc__ | prpplague: yep, I was there, but it was a week ago |
| 18:58.27 | davidc__ | and I only got there partway thru the hammer demo |
| 18:58.33 | davidc__ | I can't really remember any criticism |
| 18:58.35 | prpplague | davidc__: ahh cool |
| 18:58.40 | davidc__ | there were favorable comparisons to the gumstix |
| 18:58.50 | prpplague | davidc__: who was doing the demo? robert scheer? dave hylands? |
| 18:59.55 | davidc__ | prpplague: dave hylands |
| 19:00.00 | davidc__ | prpplague: he's a VRC person |
| 19:00.24 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, he got squeak up and running on the hammer |
| 19:01.11 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 19:02.02 | prpplague | chouimat|work: |
| 19:02.04 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey |
| 19:03.41 | davidc__ | prpplague: heh, yeah - we were talking about that, and how his VM images are > 1MB :P |
| 19:03.47 | davidc__ | I think I'll just stick to python |
| 19:03.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:04.02 | prpplague | davidc__: didn't realize you were doing robotics |
| 19:04.15 | davidc__ | prpplague: yup, I'm into robotics when I get the time |
| 19:04.20 | davidc__ | mostly writing software for fun at the moment |
| 19:04.28 | davidc__ | but when I get time, I hack on my 'bot |
| 19:04.34 | prpplague | davidc__: you got a job yet? |
| 19:04.43 | davidc__ | prpplague: nope, contracting is payin the bills |
| 19:05.06 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:05.09 | prpplague | good deal |
| 19:37.20 | prpplague | http://serpac.com/products_c-28.htm |
| 19:37.21 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:37.35 | prpplague | that fits pretty close for the hammer |
| 19:37.35 | prpplague | and nail board |
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| 20:00.21 | landley | My nail board arrived! |
| 20:00.55 | landley | prpplague: I'm likely to break up your kernel patch and submit chunks of it upstream myself if you don't soon. :) |
| 20:01.24 | prpplague | landley: hehe, i'm looking over the patches against 2.6.24 now |
| 20:01.51 | ds2 | landley is less disillusioned with the kernel patch submission then prpplague? |
| 20:01.59 | prpplague | ds2: indeed |
| 20:02.13 | prpplague | landley: as far as the issue with the boot up and serial console |
| 20:02.17 | prpplague | landley: two items |
| 20:02.39 | prpplague | landley: one, after starting your serial console, just press the reset button on the nail |
| 20:02.48 | prpplague | landley: should see the bootloader start up again |
| 20:03.28 | prpplague | landley: two, i'm adding an option in the bootloader to check if one of the jumpers is enabled, if it is, then it waits for the serial console before booting |
| 20:03.42 | landley | ds2: landley is stubborn to the point of insanity, sometimes. |
| 20:04.06 | landley | prpplague: cool. |
| 20:04.44 | landley | Now keeping in mind that a real nail board will be inside a case most of the time, how does one push the reset button or tweak the jumper without opening the case? |
| 20:04.44 | landley | Or will it be easy enough to open case, push button, close case again? |
| 20:05.33 | prpplague | landley: those are the two options for the open case conditions |
| 20:05.45 | prpplague | landley: the other two options are based on the ft2232 |
| 20:06.03 | prpplague | landley: the bootloader will be able to read some of the control lines and determine the boot options |
| 20:06.10 | landley | I forgot what an ft2232 is. |
| 20:06.26 | prpplague | landley: thats the usb device that handles the rs-232 console and jtag |
| 20:06.35 | landley | Ah. Problem there. |
| 20:06.44 | landley | When you unplug/replug the device, it power cycles and restarts itself. |
| 20:06.55 | landley | This is the "obvious" way to reboot it, since doing so is trivially easy. |
| 20:07.16 | landley | Unfortunately, this makes udev delete and recreate the /dev/ttyUSB1 device. (And the corresponding drivers unload and reload.) |
| 20:07.36 | prpplague | landley: right, thats why we use the gpio control lines from the ft2232 |
| 20:07.37 | landley | If you tweak the usb device state, that won't survive an unplug and replug cycle. |
| 20:07.46 | landley | ? |
| 20:07.58 | prpplague | landley: hang on let me try to explain |
| 20:08.11 | landley | I was actually thinking of writing a little program to use the jtag to change a bootloader variable with the bootup delay. |
| 20:08.34 | landley | In theory it should just be "write value to location", although possibly "read a bit first to find it". |
| 20:08.46 | prpplague | landley: essentially thats what we are talking about |
| 20:08.52 | landley | Heck, if I wanted to be nasty I could sed the bootloader, since this is a human readable string... |
| 20:09.17 | landley | How does this involve the gpio control lines on the built-in USB hub? |
| 20:09.26 | landley | Er, that's not the hub... |
| 20:09.33 | landley | That's the SOC's built-in USB controller. I think. |
| 20:09.36 | prpplague | landley: in addition to the jtag and rs-232, the ft2232 has 4 gpio lines connected to the hammer, and 1 gpio thats connected to the hammer reset |
| 20:10.00 | prpplague | landley: you can issue a command to the ft2232 to reset the hammer, but not the rest of the board |
| 20:10.12 | landley | Ah, software reset. |
| 20:10.17 | prpplague | landley: basically a command driven push of the reset button |
| 20:10.32 | prpplague | landley: and the 4 gpio's work like command driven dip switches |
| 20:10.35 | landley | Coolness. Where does this command need to originate from? |
| 20:10.44 | landley | (From the linux system running inside the hammer? From the laptop?) |
| 20:10.57 | prpplague | landley: from the laptop |
| 20:11.15 | landley | Weird, but possibly cool... |
| 20:11.32 | prpplague | landley: i'm in the process of doing testing and coding for these options |
| 20:11.42 | prpplague | landley: it will be integrated into the reflash util |
| 20:11.59 | prpplague | landley: i.e. #./nailit reset |
| 20:12.16 | prpplague | landley: i.e. #./nailit flash kernel zImage |
| 20:12.18 | landley | Coolness. |
| 20:12.31 | landley | Is there a mercurial repository or some such for said reflash utility? |
| 20:12.33 | prpplague | landley: i.e. #./nailit dipswitch 1011 |
| 20:13.05 | prpplague | landley: cvs internally right now, we are setting up a public repo in the next 2 weeks |
| 20:14.53 | landley | Alas. |
| 20:15.00 | Dr{Who} | hay landley.. not to interrupt.. but i thought i would give you an update on my crash of linux during init. i have narrowed it down to bash3.2 any previous bash down to 2.04 are fine. The crash i was seeing is a kernel page fault where bash is trying to touch kernel memory on process 1. i am currently today down to only a few patches to bash 3.2 to figure out exactly where it started. bash 3.2 no patch is not an issue so it is within a patch in |
| 20:15.01 | Dr{Who} | buildroot's bash package for 3.2 |
| 20:15.27 | prpplague | landley: so... what about the size and shape of the board? |
| 20:15.34 | prpplague | landley: about what you were expecting? |
| 20:15.51 | landley | It looks like the picture. ;) |
| 20:16.02 | landley | The USB cable is bigger than the board, that needs to be much shorter. |
| 20:16.31 | landley | If the sucker's easy to pop out of its' case then you can have a web page instructing people how to replace it with any old 6 foot USB printer cable they happen to have lying around. |
| 20:16.58 | landley | But the default one should be 4 inches, maybe 6. Same ballpark as the nail board. |
| 20:17.24 | landley | I hadn't previously noticed the little glowy red LED on the picture, but that's cool. |
| 20:18.37 | prpplague | landley: yea, there are two more leds available on board |
| 20:18.57 | landley | Will the public repository have the complete cvs history for nailit? Or just starting when it went public? |
| 20:19.00 | prpplague | landley: i'll be posting an updated kernel patch on tuesday that will support those |
| 20:19.11 | landley | Cool. |
| 20:19.14 | prpplague | landley: complete history of the hammer support |
| 20:19.18 | landley | Will that kernel patch be broken up? |
| 20:19.46 | prpplague | landley: i can if you want, but most of the end users usually want a single patch |
| 20:19.55 | landley | DrWho: ok. |
| 20:20.11 | landley | I never upgraded bash past 2.x in my systems. |
| 20:20.19 | landley | The rest was just bloat. |
| 20:20.45 | landley | I only use it for build scripts that want full bash functionality until I get back to my "write a bash replacement" toysh project. |
| 20:20.51 | landley | Which is behind my gene2fs project. |
| 20:21.01 | landley | Which is behind porting the sed and sort I did to toybox. |
| 20:21.32 | landley | Which is behind the cp I'm in the process of writing, and fixing readlink -f. |
| 20:21.32 | prpplague | landley: once the nail has its case, you think its small enough to carry around ? |
| 20:21.46 | landley | prpplague: yes, if the case is sturdy enough. |
| 20:22.05 | landley | I'm going to try to hunt up a shorter USB cable for mine, though. :) |
| 20:22.06 | prpplague | landley: yea, standard abs plastic |
| 20:22.30 | landley | I carry around a pair of headphones in my backpack, this is way smaller than that. |
| 20:22.37 | prpplague | landley: let me know, i'll be sending you a case shortly, if you don't have one by then |
| 20:22.40 | landley | Keep in mind that in order to use it, you carry it around _with_a_laptop_. |
| 20:22.51 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 20:22.53 | landley | So the threshold is really "does this noticeably add size to one of those ultra-light laptops". |
| 20:23.14 | landley | Things like the iPhone or the nokia 800 tend not to have a full-sized usb connector on 'em. :) |
| 20:23.26 | landley | Or the battery power to drive such a device. |
| 20:23.29 | prpplague | landley: right, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't too close to the design thinking it was small enough |
| 20:23.57 | landley | Well, it would be nice if it _could_ work as a straight USB stick ala the memory one on my keychain. |
| 20:24.04 | landley | But this is entirely usable. :) |
| 20:24.27 | prpplague | landley: you mean as data storage? |
| 20:24.41 | landley | I mean doing what it's doing now, but without the USB cable. |
| 20:24.48 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 20:24.52 | landley | It would have to be only as long as the hammer module itself. |
| 20:25.06 | landley | Otherwise the leverage puts the USB socket at risk from being bumped. |
| 20:25.16 | landley | But that's not an immediate issue. |
| 20:25.26 | prpplague | landley: yea, if the nail board looks promising we plan to do a much small board |
| 20:25.30 | landley | That's for "if you do another one in a year that's got armv5l in it, what else might be nice"... |
| 20:25.39 | landley | Exactly. |
| 20:25.43 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 20:26.08 | landley | The set of pins at the end of the hammer is another jtag connector thingy? |
| 20:26.29 | prpplague | landley: that can be used as either an expansion header or can be used with jumpers |
| 20:27.01 | prpplague | landley: i.e. to add a real time clock and watch battery |
| 20:27.07 | prpplague | landley: or motion sensor |
| 20:27.43 | Dr{Who} | ya the default for buildroot is to use the latest bash.. i will roll back myself if i cant find the prob.. its just good to know i was able to narrow this crazy thing down. |
| 20:30.59 | landley | If bash is exiting because of a bug in bash, that's not Linux's fault. That's the FSF. |
| 20:31.07 | landley | prpplague: could you sort http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software_System a bit? |
| 20:31.21 | landley | The s3c2410_udc patch is a kernel patch, right? |
| 20:31.31 | landley | Is it included in "Current kernel patch" at the top? |
| 20:31.56 | landley | What's the binutils patch for/do? |
| 20:33.13 | Dr{Who} | How the kernel handels a fault for pid 1 is a bit buggy.. imho. |
| 20:33.40 | prpplague | landley: yea the s3c2410_udc patch is a kernel patch, no its not in the current kernel patch, the binutils patch is for a buildroot issue and is included in the current buildroot |
| 20:33.43 | landley | Is lib-florist the fast closed source or the slow open source library that connects to lib-obsessivecompulsivedisorder? |
| 20:33.53 | landley | I mean open-obsessivecompulsivedisorder. |
| 20:34.14 | landley | prpplague: I'm wondering if my firmware linux project will need it. |
| 20:34.36 | landley | (Which I'm renaming to "Impact Linux" because the name firmware is sort of inappropriate and confusing.) |
| 20:35.13 | prpplague | landley: hehe, will need libftd2xx is the ftdi closed source library, the open source one is called libftdi |
| 20:36.11 | prpplague | landley: you really only need one of those libs on your host machine, not the embedded target |
| 20:36.22 | prpplague | actually, thats incorrect |
| 20:36.33 | prpplague | some people are indeed using the ft2232 for robotics |
| 20:36.53 | prpplague | so someone might want to have one of the libs on their device |
| 20:37.03 | landley | I can still get away with using the open source library instead off the closed source one? |
| 20:37.09 | prpplague | correct |
| 20:37.21 | landley | Lemme back up: is there a "reflash this board with everything it currently has on it" procedure? |
| 20:37.28 | landley | (Possibly on the CD I got with the first hammer board?) |
| 20:37.43 | landley | That way when (not if) I brick this thing, I can get it back to a known state. |
| 20:38.25 | landley | This involves working JTAG-talker, image of bootloader, image of kernel, image of root filesystem, and script to tie it all together and send it out /dev/ttyUSB0. |
| 20:38.59 | prpplague | landley: yea, http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_use_Jtag |
| 20:39.22 | prpplague | landley: the hammer.ocd and hammer.cfg via openocd is what does it currently |
| 20:39.56 | prpplague | landley: just a note, the wiki is being moved, so i can't update anything until monday or tuesday |
| 20:40.09 | prpplague | wmat: how is the move going? |
| 20:41.10 | landley | prpplague: where is the "how to use jtag" document linked from? |
| 20:41.27 | landley | It's not in http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board resources... |
| 20:41.56 | prpplague | landley: on the left side of the page is a clickable link that says "whats linked here" |
| 20:42.02 | prpplague | landley: its from the how pages |
| 20:42.03 | landley | prpplague: I can collect notes and type of an email. :) |
| 20:42.18 | landley | You mean "what links here"? |
| 20:42.41 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 20:42.59 | landley | Nope, it's not on there either. |
| 20:43.17 | landley | Ah, hang on, that's only the first 10 hits isn't it? |
| 20:43.21 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_HOWTOS |
| 20:43.33 | prpplague | "How use the flyswatter to recover from a bricked Hammer_Board " |
| 20:43.52 | landley | Ah, I was looking for the word "jtag". |
| 20:43.59 | landley | Right, I do have that pulled up in a tab already. |
| 20:44.10 | landley | (I've been going through and opening tabs for everything I might want to look at at starbucks.) |
| 20:44.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:44.49 | landley | You might want to rephrase that "<a>How to use the flyswatter JTAG</a> to recover..."" |
| 20:45.12 | landley | Ok, looks good. |
| 20:45.29 | prpplague | landley: gotta go get the kids from school, bbiaf |
| 20:45.33 | landley | I'm taking the nail board out to lunch with me, wrapped in bubble wrap. |
| 20:45.37 | landley | Heading to lunch myself, then starbucks. |
| 20:45.52 | prpplague | landley: okie dokie, i'll be sending you a case in a couple of days |
| 20:46.11 | landley | THanks. |
| 20:54.28 | ds2 | Hmmmm |
| 20:54.56 | ds2 | random thought - is there any reason why the flyswatter can't be used to emulate I2C or SPI masters for debug purposes? |
| 21:05.48 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I like my new workstation at work |
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| 21:23.11 | prpplague | ds2: none |
| 21:23.18 | prpplague | ds2: it supports both i2c and spi |
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| 21:47.26 | RobotGuy | G'Day Mates. |
| 21:55.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 21:55.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i hear dave hylands did a big hammer demo for the vancover robotics group |
| 21:58.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I didn't know about that. |
| 21:59.12 | RobotGuy | I am still struggling with buildroot. :( |
| 22:03.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what now? |
| 22:03.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't know. I'll have more after I see if this build completes or not. |
| 22:04.22 | RobotGuy | I am back to the "official" Hammer buildroot. |
| 22:07.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/905599 |
| 22:11.00 | ds2 | prpplague: if it wasn't for the large CC bill, the flyswatter would be irresistable ;) |
| 22:11.42 | prpplague | ds2: hehe |
| 22:11.58 | RobotGuy | Should I have either of the C++ options selected in .config?? |
| 22:12.59 | prpplague | depends on what you want to build |
| 22:13.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in the past you have had both c++ options selected |
| 22:15.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know. |
| 22:15.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Now I am getting errors I never saw before. :( |
| 22:36.25 | Dr{Who} | robotguy you need libiconv.so |
| 22:37.32 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: I have libiconv.so |
| 22:37.50 | Dr{Who} | hmm ldconfig? |
| 22:39.23 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, interesting. I just ran ldconfig and then restarted the build and it took off again. |
| 22:40.05 | Dr{Who} | maybe the lib database was messed up |
| 22:40.32 | RobotGuy | I changed the ld.so.conf files and I think I forgot to run ldconfig. |
| 22:40.50 | Dr{Who} | ahh that would do it for sure.. |
| 22:41.15 | RobotGuy | I could kick myself for that error, but as long as this fixed my problem I am happy. |
| 22:42.47 | RobotGuy | It finished gcc-initial and is on to final now. :D |
| 22:42.54 | Dr{Who} | cool. |
| 22:43.42 | Dr{Who} | the next step takes a while. |
| 22:44.08 | RobotGuy | I know, but I am more optimistic now. :) |
| 22:44.15 | Dr{Who} | : c ) |
| 22:44.29 | RobotGuy | Thanks for the reminder about ldconfig. |
| 22:44.46 | Dr{Who} | np glad to help.. i have had my share of those.. |
| 22:45.05 | RobotGuy | Sometimes, the smallest thing gets overlooked. |
| 22:46.14 | RobotGuy | I got the new decks for my W.A.L.T.E.R. robot yesterday, but there are some mounting holes that are not right - the motor mount holes. I have to decide how I am going to fix that. |
| 22:49.52 | Dr{Who} | i like rivets... solid and easy to drill out and tweek. although they can sheer |
| 22:50.59 | Dr{Who} | we talking warbot? or just funbot? |
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| 23:01.27 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: What do I need ductape for? |
| 23:01.47 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: FunBot - learning and experimentation robot. |
| 23:02.03 | Dr{Who} | ya but what is a walter? |
| 23:02.26 | RobotGuy | Wheeled Autonomous Learning Terrain Exploring Rover. |
| 23:02.34 | Dr{Who} | url? |
| 23:02.46 | RobotGuy | www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter |
| 23:04.12 | RobotGuy | Toolchain completed! |
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| 23:51.38 | cajaka | So RobotGuy is the hammer getting easyer to work with? |
| 23:53.05 | RobotGuy | cajaka: It's not Hammer that has been my problem. |
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| 23:57.39 | RobotGuy | You go landley! |
| 23:58.10 | RobotGuy | Now I have a problem where libstdc++ is not getting put into the project root. |
| 23:58.23 | RobotGuy | It is getting built from the looks of things. |
| 23:59.09 | landley | RobotGuy: I've been meaning to poke at uClibc++ for years. |
| 23:59.19 | landley | The guy who wrote it worked at the desk next to mine for most of 2006. |
| 23:59.25 | landley | It's still on my todo list. :) |