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| 03:20.24 | cajaka | Any chance one of you know a site other then ebay to get old or used SBC or pc104 boards? |
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| 14:39.24 | prpplague | ~seen wmat |
| 14:39.26 | purl | wmat <n=btraynor@gromit.mixdown.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 3d 23h 1m 2s ago, saying: 'prpplague: hopefully today, but we'll see how work goes'. |
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| 14:46.03 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 15:30.28 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - chumby's on sale |
| 15:30.46 | CosmicPenguin | should I piss off prpplague and get a chumy instead of a hammer? |
| 15:30.48 | adyer | took 'em long enough... |
| 15:31.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i don't get pissy for such things |
| 15:31.13 | Mirell | Urrrrrgh. |
| 15:31.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - nah |
| 15:31.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how much are they? |
| 15:31.43 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I need GPIO love and the Chumy can't hook me up |
| 15:31.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:32.37 | Mirell | Being sick sucks. |
| 15:33.36 | chouimat|work | hi CosmicPenguin Mirell prpplague |
| 15:33.49 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:33.54 | prpplague | Mirell: indeed |
| 15:34.35 | Mirell | prpplague: Yay for health insurance now though |
| 15:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Feb-2008/0337.html <-- cool |
| 15:35.32 | chouimat|work | cool the chunby could make a nice alarm clock :) |
| 15:35.51 | CosmicPenguin | thats a notice restricting airspace near hawaii presumably to shoot down the satellite |
| 15:36.06 | prpplague | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/28/AR2007102801706_pf.html |
| 15:36.18 | CosmicPenguin | during the full eclipse of the moon to boot |
| 15:39.47 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 15:40.13 | prpplague | average wait time to bring a spouse to the US has slipped to 28 months |
| 15:40.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague: nice ... |
| 15:40.40 | chouimat|work | </sarcasm> |
| 15:40.45 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:40.56 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea, its pretty darn bad |
| 15:49.08 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.08 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.08 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.08 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.08 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.14 | flyback- | wrong channel earlier ;P |
| 15:49.22 | flyback- | prpplague: quick question |
| 15:49.38 | flyback- | guy here who I trust but want 2nd opinion is saying I can use a F series |
| 15:49.43 | flyback- | 74F244 to build a jtag |
| 15:49.57 | prpplague | flyback-: uh what? |
| 15:50.38 | flyback- | what what? |
| 15:51.05 | flyback- | what are you saying what to |
| 15:52.18 | flyback- | anyways I gotta finish getting cleaned up and head back to work, I came home to get something and got sick, just wanted your opinion on this, and also is there any other part cmos or otherwise I can use instead of a 244 besides a 245 |
| 15:52.20 | flyback- | thx |
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| 15:54.53 | adyer | umm 74F series is a +5V part and drives pretty hard, not good if you're hooking it to a long cable and a +3.3v (or lower) target |
| 16:00.31 | adyer | as for common buffer parts, there's a '541 that's fairly common or you could use a latch (not flip-flop) like a '573 with the latch enable always on |
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| 16:55.59 | chouimat|work | anyone know a motherboard that can support 2 intel core 2 quad cpu? |
| 17:11.31 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:11.34 | sunrunner20 | "For personal use, Textpattern is free to download and is licensed under the GNU General Public License. " |
| 17:12.09 | sunrunner20 | >_< that defies GPL |
| 17:12.28 | sunrunner20 | chouimat|work: look for Tyans |
| 17:13.19 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 17:13.22 | sunrunner20 | don't count on xeons |
| 17:13.25 | sunrunner20 | *out |
| 17:14.10 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: thanksd ... xeons might be a little more that I want to spend ... but I will see anyway |
| 17:15.11 | sunrunner20 | I say that becuase c2ds are 775, and afiak there are now dual socket 775 motherboards |
| 17:16.32 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: ok I will look then |
| 17:16.48 | prpplague | ~wiav |
| 17:16.49 | purl | well, wiav is a patent troll with information at http://trolltracker.blogspot.com/2008/01/4-interesting-new-cases-from-last-2.html and http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/205753-texas-company-seeks-judgement-to-stop-potential-patent-suit |
| 17:17.35 | sunrunner20 | there is one thats $256 quad@2gig |
| 17:18.33 | sunrunner20 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2+50001157+40000343+1302825342+1051729354&Configurator=&Subcategory=343&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= |
| 17:19.28 | sunrunner20 | chouimat|work: you used a quad core before? |
| 17:19.35 | sunrunner20 | they are CRAZY fast |
| 17:19.46 | sunrunner20 | assuming threading applications :) |
| 17:19.48 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: the workstation I have now at work is a quad |
| 17:20.11 | sunrunner20 | kk |
| 17:20.20 | sunrunner20 | q6600? |
| 17:20.38 | chouimat|work | yup |
| 17:20.52 | sunrunner20 | i'm planning on getting mine to clock at 4gig ^_^ |
| 17:21.44 | chouimat|work | I just want to replace a dying server home |
| 17:23.22 | sunrunner20 | o.0, what are you serving? |
| 17:24.52 | sunrunner20 | my file server at home is a P233 |
| 17:25.18 | CosmicPenguin | you're going to replace your file server with a quad core? |
| 17:26.00 | sunrunner20 | CosmicPenguin: two from the sounds of it |
| 17:26.12 | CosmicPenguin | ooohkay... |
| 17:26.39 | prpplague | ~seen Dr{Who} |
| 17:26.42 | purl | dr{who} <n=mathewss@dev.null.nutech.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 3d 12h 53m 51s ago, saying: 'ok well im out.. my better half is calling guessing she wants me home : c )'. |
| 17:26.45 | sunrunner20 | thats what I'm thinking.... if its just files a two way quad is overkill |
| 17:27.08 | sunrunner20 | a e6600 would be overkill |
| 17:27.08 | CosmicPenguin | As a employee of a silicon company who doesn't mind it when people buy processors they don't need, I would encourage you (even if it is the competitor) |
| 17:27.11 | CosmicPenguin | but as a geek, I would have to say... WTF? |
| 17:29.23 | Mirell | Mmm |
| 17:30.08 | sunrunner20 | for a file server |
| 17:30.13 | sunrunner20 | I would say: http://www.intechraoutlet.com/rbwww/home/search_results_pc_computers.asp |
| 17:30.24 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 17:30.26 | sunrunner20 | http://www.intechraoutlet.com/rbwww/home/unit_view.asp?id=13520962&bin_id=world |
| 17:32.08 | sunrunner20 | they have one of their facilities just up the street from mee |
| 17:32.21 | sunrunner20 | so if you ever need a cheap pc prpplague |
| 17:32.32 | sunrunner20 | they had some $5 units a while back |
| 17:32.39 | sunrunner20 | were like P2's |
| 17:33.05 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: http://www.intechraoutlet.com/rbwww/home/contact.asp?bin_id=world |
| 17:33.13 | sunrunner20 | 2940 Eisenhower Street |
| 17:33.13 | sunrunner20 | Carrollton, Texas 75007 |
| 17:33.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:33.38 | sunrunner20 | by 635 (I think) |
| 17:33.47 | sunrunner20 | not sure what highway it is, could be 35 |
| 17:33.50 | sunrunner20 | too many highways :( |
| 17:38.41 | sunrunner20 | but, class time |
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| 18:05.19 | prpplague | ~wiav |
| 18:05.20 | purl | from memory, wiav is a patent troll with information at http://trolltracker.blogspot.com/2008/01/4-interesting-new-cases-from-last-2.html and http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/205753-texas-company-seeks-judgement-to-stop-potential-patent-suit |
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| 18:18.40 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20|afk: CosmicPenguin this is a development box/server |
| 18:21.28 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 18:21.38 | CosmicPenguin | your comments lead us to believe otherwise |
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| 18:26.52 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 18:27.11 | landley | Hiya. |
| 18:27.14 | landley | How goes stuff? |
| 18:27.21 | prpplague | landley: it goes |
| 18:27.29 | landley | I poked people about adding perl to the kernel. |
| 18:27.37 | landley | And the response was "go ahead and add python too". |
| 18:27.47 | prpplague | landley: still doing testing on the nail, and tinkering with some cases for the nail |
| 18:27.51 | prpplague | landley: yea i saw taht |
| 18:27.55 | prpplague | landley: its amazing |
| 18:27.55 | landley | And Peter Anvin thinks the _shipped logic in kconfig is an anachronism. |
| 18:28.13 | landley | And I've been emailed offline by something like five people telling me I should make more of a stink about this, but who won't post on linux-kernel. |
| 18:28.15 | landley | Screw 'em. |
| 18:28.33 | landley | I do not represent a silent majority who INSIST ON STAYING SILENT. |
| 18:28.34 | landley | Grrr. |
| 18:28.58 | landley | prpplague: I've poked at the nail a bit. Need to build and install a kernel for it. |
| 18:28.59 | CosmicPenguin | who is afraid of retribution on the linux-kernel list? Seriously |
| 18:29.12 | landley | If they care about the issue, they should say so. |
| 18:29.13 | prpplague | landley: hehe, yea, adding perl and python is going to really complicate things |
| 18:29.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i am |
| 18:29.31 | landley | HPA is convinced I have personal issues and am unique in what I'm doing with my little "academic" project. |
| 18:29.46 | landley | Wait until you can't build a kernel without network access due to cpan. |
| 18:29.52 | landley | Camel's nose under the tent flap. |
| 18:29.54 | CosmicPenguin | HPA lives is a very strict world of legacy and magic |
| 18:30.03 | landley | Oh it's not just him. |
| 18:30.12 | landley | Sam Ravnborg is thinking of adding perl to kbuild. |
| 18:30.18 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: it's a P3/1000 that I use as compile backend for some stuff ... |
| 18:30.28 | CosmicPenguin | He doesn't approve of coreboot either, because we don't give him a solid base of INT15 and INT19 to go with |
| 18:30.28 | landley | Because nothing says "maintainability" like perl... |
| 18:30.58 | CosmicPenguin | and thats sad, because he has a wealth of knowledge that we could very much use |
| 18:31.04 | landley | CosmicPenguin: don't you know? Distros are supposed to provide a full development environment for you. |
| 18:31.11 | CosmicPenguin | I heard that |
| 18:31.20 | landley | Just find Ubuntu for Super Hitachi. |
| 18:31.26 | CosmicPenguin | people keep telling me that about the XO |
| 18:31.32 | CosmicPenguin | how can I compile the kernel on the OLPC? |
| 18:31.59 | CosmicPenguin | The problem is - I don't end up answering those questions with much tact |
| 18:32.03 | CosmicPenguin | and then I get yelled at |
| 18:33.18 | landley | So OpenSolaris is apparently imploding again. |
| 18:33.20 | landley | http://www.michaeldolan.com/1105 |
| 18:33.32 | landley | (And the blog that links to, and the email _that_ links to...) |
| 18:33.39 | Mirell | Mmm |
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| 18:34.34 | prpplague | landley: i spoke to ben dooks today, the s3c24xx maintainer, about the hammer kernel patches |
| 18:35.16 | prpplague | landley: he basically said, don't bother submitting the patches until 2.6.25-rc5, they'll be ignored or discarded |
| 18:35.42 | CosmicPenguin | thats reasonable |
| 18:36.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed problem is, that when 2.6.25-rc5 hits, 99% probability i will be busy |
| 18:36.36 | landley | prpplague: yeah, you missed the -rc1 merge window. |
| 18:36.38 | landley | It's a new feature. |
| 18:36.50 | CosmicPenguin | thats a common affliction |
| 18:36.58 | landley | That's why I was poking you for broken up patches before the merge window. Now we have to wait until 2.6. |
| 18:37.17 | landley | That said, you may be able to get 'em into -mm and cc: the arm guys. |
| 18:39.01 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'm just gonna go ahead and prep the patches while i have time this week and hopefully when the 2.6.25-rc5 arrives we can get them submitted without too much fuss |
| 18:39.56 | prpplague | landley: any other thoughts/ramblings about the nail board? |
| 18:40.11 | landley | prpplague: it looks quite nice. |
| 18:40.24 | landley | It's in my backpack right now. (Wrapped in a huge amount of bubble wrap.) |
| 18:40.35 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'm testing cases now |
| 18:41.22 | prpplague | landley: actually, while i have you here, can i show you a couple of generic cases and see what your thoughts are? |
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| 18:41.33 | landley | I've been distracted by about 5 other things this week. The perl thing (longish off-list threads with various people wanting to email me directly), trying to track down another 2.6.25-rc2 build break with the vdso stuff, implementing cp in toybox, redoing some FWL plumbing and preparing for the project rename (with a release, of course)... |
| 18:41.39 | landley | Sure. |
| 18:41.57 | landley | My laptop's only got about a half hour of battery left... |
| 18:42.35 | RobotGuy | G'Morning |
| 18:42.49 | prpplague | landley: http://serpac.com/products_h-45.htm |
| 18:43.09 | prpplague | landley: that's not as long as the nail, but about twice as wide |
| 18:44.11 | prpplague | landley: http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/PP.html |
| 18:44.30 | prpplague | landley: basically the same, alot shorter, the nail is 5.0" and those are about 3.9" |
| 18:44.35 | prpplague | landley: and a little wider |
| 18:44.59 | prpplague | landley: you think going to that form factor would lose some of the "cool" factor? |
| 18:46.38 | landley | They're both noticeably uglier than the mock-up you did. |
| 18:47.01 | prpplague | landley: hehe, indeed |
| 18:47.08 | landley | It would be really nice if the little red "it's got power" light was visible through the case. |
| 18:47.19 | landley | For one thing, I didn't know my laptop was still powering the USB port when it suspended... |
| 18:47.21 | prpplague | landley: yea, it will be |
| 18:49.02 | prpplague | landley: what about something like this - http://www.okwusa.com/products/okw/minitec/zoom/zB9004068.jpg |
| 18:49.15 | prpplague | http://www.okwusa.com/products/okw/minitec/zoom/zB9004088.jpg |
| 18:50.40 | landley | Why does that thing have a handle? |
| 18:50.51 | landley | (I don't think you want a case big enough to need a _handle_... :) |
| 18:51.01 | landley | Basically you need to have the existing board laminated... |
| 18:51.21 | prpplague | landley: hehe, its not really a handle, its more of something you'd put a keychain thru |
| 18:51.51 | prpplague | landley: ok, one more, about just a clear plastic tube? |
| 18:51.59 | Mirell | landley: Don't worry by the way, I think I can drive now. |
| 18:52.18 | landley | Mirell: ok, give me a call if the situation changes. I've got my cell phone. |
| 18:52.28 | landley | prpplague: might work. |
| 18:52.31 | prpplague | landley: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4933 |
| 18:52.44 | prpplague | landley: basically a clear plastic tube with matching end caps |
| 18:52.58 | prpplague | landley: with holes for the usb ports |
| 18:53.12 | landley | Simple, straightforward, understandable, and you can see the blinkenlights. :) |
| 18:53.23 | landley | "hardware under glass". |
| 18:53.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:54.01 | landley | Enough of a barrier that the software people don't feel threatened they're going to short it out, but the hardware people can see it and fetishize it. |
| 18:54.26 | landley | It might need to be secured in there somehow so it doesn't rattle around, but I leave that to you. |
| 18:54.43 | landley | Plus a tube leaves enough spare space that you can add the clock chip board if you want... |
| 18:55.11 | prpplague | landley: a 3/4" OD works perfect without and rattling about |
| 18:56.15 | prpplague | landley: yea, we are just looking for something as an immediate usage, if there is demand we will go ahead with the tooling for the hammer case |
| 18:56.31 | prpplague | landley: just don't want to spend $10k and not sell any |
| 18:57.21 | prpplague | landley: were you able to play with it at starbucks the other day? |
| 18:58.36 | landley | prpplague: for a bit, yes. |
| 18:58.57 | RobotGuy | landley: WiFi? |
| 18:59.04 | landley | I was distracted by the darn perl thing, and picking flying toolchain pieces out of the wall... |
| 18:59.11 | landley | Starbucks hasn't got wifi. |
| 18:59.16 | landley | It has T-mobile brand lack-of-wifi. |
| 18:59.21 | prpplague | landley: i'll be posting a new default kernel and ramdisk for the nail on thursday |
| 18:59.33 | landley | $5 the first minute, $1.99 each additional minute. |
| 18:59.34 | prpplague | landley: which will have the usb ethernet gadget drive enabled |
| 18:59.47 | landley | prpplague: cool. |
| 18:59.53 | landley | Um, by default, or selectable? |
| 18:59.59 | prpplague | landley: selectable |
| 19:00.00 | landley | Ah, right, ethernet. |
| 19:00.15 | landley | I saw "drive" and went "um, hard drive not network card"? |
| 19:00.21 | landley | Yay ethernet gadget. |
| 19:00.33 | landley | Makes it eash to compile little arm programs and scp 'em to the board. (Add dropbear, please.) |
| 19:00.50 | landley | s/eash/easy/ |
| 19:00.55 | landley | purl: quiet, you. |
| 19:01.04 | RobotGuy | Dropbear is already in buildroot but does not build |
| 19:01.22 | landley | RobotGuy: I didn't mean in buildroot, it just ./configure make make installs... |
| 19:01.25 | landley | Sigh. |
| 19:01.39 | landley | Alright, I'll build dropbear under FWL and put it on the board that way. |
| 19:02.07 | landley | As soon as I get comfortable reflashing the board and building a kernel for it, I'm going to do a FWL target for it. |
| 19:02.14 | landley | Way easier than trying to get buildroot to do anything useful... |
| 19:02.24 | adyer | RobotGuy: I built dropbear in buildroot like a week ago. scp crashes on the target but ssh worked okey |
| 19:02.47 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'll add dropbear |
| 19:04.16 | landley | Woot. |
| 19:04.35 | landley | My toolchain probably already builds usable apps for the thing (statically linked, anyway). |
| 19:04.44 | landley | just a bit of a pain to get 'em installed via serial console. :) |
| 19:05.01 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 19:05.19 | landley | Actually, is there a script to suck the existing image _off_ the device? |
| 19:05.24 | landley | A reverse install procedure? |
| 19:05.38 | landley | "Gimme back the three files that this other script takes"... |
| 19:05.56 | landley | In theory the jtag can do that. In practice, I have no clue how to make it do so. |
| 19:06.14 | landley | Oh, what format kernel do you boot? |
| 19:06.26 | landley | (Does it know how long it is?) |
| 19:06.46 | landley | I remember the patch having to be adjusted for size of the kernel image it was copying, meaning it's probably not vmlinux... :) |
| 19:08.04 | adyer | prpplague: if you want cheap plexiglas boxes you might try the container store or similar place |
| 19:09.22 | prpplague | adyer: yea, plexiglass isn't static free |
| 19:09.51 | prpplague | landley: the kernel is a zImage |
| 19:09.58 | landley | Alas, laptop battery dying soon. |
| 19:10.10 | prpplague | landley: yes openocd can dump the flash as well, but i don't have a script to do it |
| 19:10.39 | prpplague | landley: the bootloader has a command line to change the kernel size, its just we were patching it to change the default size |
| 19:11.53 | adyer | cal 3 2008 |
| 19:26.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: problems? |
| 19:26.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague, Always, it seems. :( |
| 19:26.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what now? |
| 19:27.17 | RobotGuy | I just need a break from Hammer for a bit. |
| 19:27.38 | RobotGuy | Or more correctly, I need a break from Buildroot. |
| 19:28.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't understand why you having so much trouble |
| 19:28.44 | sunrunner20|afk | ahh |
| 19:28.46 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 19:28.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i sshd in and had a complete build done in about 45 minutes |
| 19:28.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Me either. |
| 19:28.55 | sunrunner20 | then, I still say dual quads is still overkill |
| 19:29.15 | sunrunner20 | biggest issue is afaik compiling is single threaded |
| 19:29.32 | RobotGuy | I installed a new video card, and the ATI driver for Linux, and now I can't get into Linux at all. |
| 19:29.40 | sunrunner20 | LOL |
| 19:29.44 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 19:29.50 | sunrunner20 | thats why I don't buy ati |
| 19:30.00 | sunrunner20 | their drivers suck, for windows and linux |
| 19:30.15 | RobotGuy | I don't have any problems with the ATI drivers for Windows. |
| 19:31.00 | sunrunner20 | every so often they nuke somebodies windows install >_< (I could fix it but most people couldent) |
| 19:32.03 | RobotGuy | I'm not having a real good week. I also let some of the magic smoke out of the bot board on W.A.L.T.E.R., but the Basic Atom survived and I can still program it. |
| 19:32.17 | sunrunner20 | ? |
| 19:32.21 | sunrunner20 | walter? |
| 19:32.34 | RobotGuy | Anf I HATE THOSE DANG FLIMSY SCREW TERMINIALS on Lynxmotion products. |
| 19:32.47 | RobotGuy | My main robot is W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 19:33.11 | RobotGuy | www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter |
| 19:33.13 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 19:34.42 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: My goal is to put Hammer on W.A.L.T.E.R. for the main controller. |
| 19:35.00 | sunrunner20 | omg boo |
| 19:35.01 | sunrunner20 | frames |
| 19:35.03 | sunrunner20 | :( |
| 19:36.18 | RobotGuy | I did get my new wireless router to work the way I need it to work. Even got WPA2 with AES encryption working. |
| 19:37.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This is with the RaLink USB WiFi dongle I have. I have not got it working under Linux yet though. |
| 19:38.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague, You probably used all the default configuration files on your build. |
| 19:39.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for which build? |
| 19:39.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The one you did on my system. |
| 19:39.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, with the default build plus c++ |
| 19:40.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't get anything with C++ to work right now. |
| 19:40.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you using the official buildroot? |
| 19:40.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or one you hacked? |
| 19:40.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am now. |
| 19:41.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why don't you do a base build with the default config, then turn one thing on at a time |
| 19:41.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I still have to rebuild the entire toolchain when I change those options. |
| 19:42.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you can do a fresh build using the default config plus the c++ options |
| 19:42.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and start from there |
| 19:42.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have started from there, with failure. |
| 19:43.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: am i gonna need to ssh in again? |
| 19:43.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Me too, and it really frustrates me that I can't seem to get it to work. |
| 19:43.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can't now. I am in Windows. Not sure I can fix Linux, but I will try. |
| 19:43.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are trying to change too many things at once. you really should start with the base build and do a little at a time |
| 19:44.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just have to boot up Knoppix and chroot into my Linux setup. |
| 19:44.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have done that. |
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| 19:45.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: All I did last time I built a toolchain was add one C++ option with the shared libgcc or whatever it is. |
| 19:45.46 | RobotGuy | Maybe I don't want shared libgcc |
| 19:46.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: seems to build fine for me, i even have it running with soft float |
| 19:46.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Could it be something with my Linux distro? |
| 19:46.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i doubt it |
| 19:47.00 | RobotGuy | I don't know then. |
| 19:47.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: everything we have seen so far is based on changes that you've done to the buildroot |
| 19:47.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats why you have to do a little at a time |
| 19:47.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It doesn't work for me with a stock buildroot. |
| 19:47.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what doesn't work with a stock buildroot? |
| 19:48.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i did a fresh build on your machine and everything worked |
| 19:48.25 | RobotGuy | I guess I am not holding my mouth right then. |
| 19:48.44 | sunrunner20 | thats a new phrase |
| 19:48.47 | prpplague | hehe, well, when you get your linux box reinstall and/or working, let me know |
| 19:48.51 | adyer | i find after messing with buildroot that 'rm -rf project_* build_* binaries toolchain_*' and a rebuild usually works wonders |
| 19:49.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 19:49.16 | sunrunner20 | *prefers |
| 19:52.08 | RobotGuy | adyer: Been there. I always do that before I build a new toolchain. |
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| 20:02.29 | icewaterman | hm |
| 20:02.32 | RobotGuy | This ATI video card is the first one I have had. |
| 20:02.50 | icewaterman | yesterday i succeeded in creating a buildroot for x86_64 |
| 20:03.00 | icewaterman | today same buildroot fails |
| 20:03.10 | icewaterman | i have no idea why |
| 20:03.42 | icewaterman | all it says is that c compiler cannot create executeables |
| 20:08.41 | icewaterman | http://rafb.net/p/EtC0IV65.html this is the entire error |
| 20:12.31 | adyer | configure likes to include little snippets of c code in the script and compile them using the compiler to see what will happen. I'd guess your target compiler errored out on something it was fed and 'cannot create executables' |
| 20:13.32 | icewaterman | adyer: a closer look at config.log supports that |
| 20:13.36 | icewaterman | however why? |
| 20:13.55 | icewaterman | could it be my libc config? |
| 20:14.19 | adyer | best bet is to manually run the command it was trying to do and see what complains |
| 20:15.44 | adyer | maybe add a -v to the gcc line to see the individual phases of compilation |
| 20:19.36 | adyer | of course if you have a proc new enough to run x86-64, why are you futzing with buildroot? :-) |
| 20:20.12 | icewaterman | adyer: i create a small initramfs for x86_64 and x86 |
| 20:20.43 | icewaterman | with standard libc and stuff it is approx 2MB in compressed form. |
| 20:21.18 | icewaterman | with uclibc that is 450k only and works as good as the normal one. it has 2 advantages: 1) runs faster from usb stick and 2) requires less space. |
| 20:22.52 | icewaterman | atm it is supposed as a tech demo, to convice the guys from truecrypt.org to release a slacky commandline version of their encryption userspace component :) |
| 20:37.07 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ping |
| 20:37.18 | prpplague | chouimat|work: pong |
| 20:38.27 | prpplague | chouimat|work: whats up? |
| 20:38.29 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I got news from the nutcase I used to work for ... he now spend all his time in Quebec City streets with a sign that say: The End is near |
| 20:38.46 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 20:38.57 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's kind of hard typing in a meeting when someone ask you a question |
| 20:39.26 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea well, the EE thats giving me so much trouble is a fine christian too |
| 20:40.41 | chouimat|work | prpplague: true ... it seems since 2006 he went 4 times for a 60 days in the psychiatric ward ... |
| 20:40.59 | prpplague | lovely |
| 20:47.13 | RobotGuy | Well, I'm going to hunt down my Knoppix DVD and see if I can fix my Kubuntu setup. |
| 21:01.02 | cajaka | Any of you know a place other then ebay that sells old or used SBC or pc/104 boards |
| 21:15.18 | adyer | cajaka: http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/15183 |
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| 21:23.54 | cajaka | Yeah thats the kind of site I am looking for |
| 21:24.23 | adyer | sometimes halted.com will have stuff |
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| 21:29.25 | cajaka | I forgot about halted, I did find something else was looking for there |
| 21:33.48 | prpplague | adyer: ha i used to have some of those boards |
| 21:34.08 | prpplague | duderonomy: did you have some questions about the WIAV case yesterday? |
| 21:35.33 | prpplague | landley: re |
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| 21:43.56 | landley | prpplague: hiya. |
| 21:44.00 | landley | re which? |
| 21:44.54 | prpplague | landley: just welcome back |
| 21:45.21 | landley | Ah, thanks. |
| 21:45.25 | prpplague | http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp20264-keyboard-laptop-281-pack29-n-a-20454.htm |
| 21:45.28 | landley | In middle of 3 things... |
| 21:45.30 | prpplague | hmm niffty keyboard |
| 21:46.39 | adyer | used to be a fun activity at lunchtime to browse the surplus places in the valley |
| 21:55.51 | Mirell | Welp, I got the flu. |
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| 22:05.21 | prpplague | Mirell: that come with a free toaster oven? |
| 22:05.33 | Mirell | prpplague: Heh |
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| 22:20.47 | landley | Mirell: if I take this new job, I need to get an iPhone. |
| 22:20.54 | landley | Something I can carry with me with a posix shell prompt... |
| 22:21.51 | CosmicPenguin | n810 - plus you'll have the added advantage of it not being a phone so people can't call you |
| 22:23.11 | landley | That's another possibility, sure. |
| 22:23.17 | landley | And that one runs Linux, which is better... |
| 22:23.53 | CosmicPenguin | I'm still hunting for a way for my 770 to legitimately break so I can get a 810 |
| 22:24.42 | landley | I'm having fun with the nail board, but I can't carry it with me and actually use it to program or respond to email while I'm out walking. |
| 22:24.48 | adyer | left it accidentally on the roof of the car? |
| 22:25.01 | landley | (Wouldn't have enough memory to compile anything even if it did have a big battery and a touch screen...) |
| 22:25.25 | Mirell | landley: That's what remote servers are for. |
| 22:25.33 | CosmicPenguin | you do have the disadvantage of needing wifi for it |
| 22:25.39 | landley | mirell: which requires reliable internet access. |
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| 22:25.59 | CosmicPenguin | but there is a starbucks every 3 feet these days, and the price of a T-mobile account is way less then an iphone |
| 22:26.01 | landley | And by "reliable" I mean "darn it, my typing's paused for 15 seconds again, I'm not sure how far I've cursored". |
| 22:26.19 | landley | CosmicPenguin: Death First! |
| 22:26.20 | CosmicPenguin | plus you can use it through bluetooth to your phone modem if you really had to |
| 22:26.48 | landley | I'll pay for internet through cell phone, but I refuse to pay for internet through 802.11 for the same reason pay toilets are tacky. |
| 22:26.51 | landley | I do not want to encourage this thing. |
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| 22:27.06 | CosmicPenguin | In short, I'm a huge n770/n800/n810 fan |
| 22:27.21 | CosmicPenguin | and not just because mallum is a distinguished alumni of #edev either |
| 22:27.21 | landley | I don't put a quarter into the light fixture above my table at a restaurant so I can read a book, I'm not paying for wireless internet that costs the establishment less than the lights do. |
| 22:30.15 | flyback- | <adyer> umm 74F series is a +5V part and drives pretty hard, not good if you're hooking it to a long cable and a +3.3v (or lower) target |
| 22:30.15 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.29 | flyback- | do I have to do any major rewiring of the circuit |
| 22:30.39 | flyback- | subbing for a 74244 |
| 22:32.43 | adyer | 541 and 573 have different pinouts IIRC |
| 22:32.44 | flyback- | I saw a jtag that used a 04 but they also changed the resistor values which I can't do |
| 22:33.00 | flyback- | well I think i assumed that :P |
| 22:33.20 | prpplague | flyback: why do you waste so much time trying to home brew a jtag, when you could just purchase one ? |
| 22:33.45 | flyback- | cause I thought it would be a fun challange and a good first circuit |
| 22:34.53 | flyback- | ah so a 373 is a flip flop |
| 22:35.37 | flyback- | it's a latch and a flip flop? |
| 22:35.37 | flyback- | wtf? |
| 22:35.39 | adyer | most people call a 373 a latch |
| 22:35.59 | flyback- | cause I have TONS of those |
| 22:36.02 | flyback- | in HC and AC |
| 22:38.15 | adyer | the important thing is the trigger - data flows through a 373 as long as the latch enable is high |
| 22:38.36 | adyer | something like a 273 requires an edge |
| 22:38.49 | flyback- | sorrry they are 374's |
| 22:40.25 | flyback- | actually I Have both |
| 22:40.43 | flyback- | oh most of this is T ttl compatible cmos |
| 22:40.44 | flyback- | crap |
| 22:42.03 | flyback- | looks like I have AC04 and AC373 |
| 22:42.17 | flyback- | but you say 541 or 573 will work, anything else? |
| 22:43.31 | adyer | lots of stuff, as long as it can be always passing data and assuming the voltage levels work out right. |
| 22:44.03 | ds2 | MMmmmmm git is nice |
| 22:44.27 | ds2 | forget those SSI chips, just use a few transistors and be done with ;) |
| 22:44.29 | flyback- | wish I could find a list |
| 22:44.34 | flyback- | so I don';t have to keep digging thru the piles |
| 22:46.02 | flyback- | ooo |
| 22:46.12 | flyback- | I wonder if those 70's/80's vintage stuff would work :P |
| 22:46.39 | flyback- | don't ask |
| 22:47.23 | flyback- | gc/caletro |
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| 22:50.03 | ds2 | 70's and 80's are are somewhat relaxing to desolder |
| 22:50.26 | flyback- | I got these at a tv parts store |
| 22:50.30 | flyback- | that eventually closed up |
| 22:50.40 | flyback- | they ripped me off like $6 for a transistor but I didn't care |
| 22:50.55 | flyback- | I paid $25 got a brand new epson hx20 that sat in the store for 20 yrs |
| 22:50.59 | flyback- | it's in pieces needs some work |
| 22:51.11 | flyback- | battery was rotted out and my mom stepped on the thermal printer not that I care |
| 22:51.26 | flyback- | I tossed the ascoustic couplers and the microcassette drive is porbably rotted |
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| 22:57.25 | flyback- | question |
| 22:57.36 | flyback- | can I attach leds to the jtag pins or draw too much current? |
| 22:58.45 | ds2 | you can, but I wouldn't ;) |
| 22:59.05 | adyer | depends on the driver and load on the board, if you limit it to 10mA for the leds it will probably work |
| 22:59.14 | ds2 | just like you can 'rm -rf ~/' ;) |
| 22:59.38 | flyback- | na I won't do it if any risk |
| 22:59.49 | flyback- | just thought it would be insteresing to watch the pins fire |
| 23:00.29 | adyer | you could always add another buffer or some transistors to drive the leds |
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| 23:01.02 | adyer | (little transistors, no darlingtons :-) |
| 23:01.10 | flyback- | why not darlingtons |
| 23:01.28 | ds2 | throw in a FET |
| 23:01.45 | flyback- | I have a bunch of small to92 npn and pnp |
| 23:01.52 | adyer | usually made for power, take decent gate drive |
| 23:01.54 | ds2 | just don't toggle too fast |
| 23:02.15 | flyback- | mabye the npn would be better then |
| 23:02.39 | ds2 | NPN takes proper base current |
| 23:02.48 | flyback- | what does that mean |
| 23:02.56 | ds2 | it means it will eat power |
| 23:03.03 | flyback- | ah |
| 23:03.10 | ds2 | MOSFETs draw no steady current |
| 23:03.23 | flyback- | yeah but I don't have any fets that aren't as big as a house |
| 23:03.27 | ds2 | it just needs current to charge/discharge so if you don't switch too fast, it won't pull too much |
| 23:03.35 | flyback- | what about pnp |
| 23:03.39 | adyer | transistor is a current controlled device - must pump some current through to turn it on. |
| 23:03.41 | ds2 | oh.. was thinking about SOT-23 sized stuff |
| 23:03.53 | ds2 | adyer: you mean bipolar transistors |
| 23:04.08 | adyer | ds2: yes |
| 23:04.20 | ds2 | FETs are transistors too! |
| 23:04.27 | adyer | ds2: i dont usually think of fets as transistors |
| 23:04.40 | ds2 | oh hmmm why not? |
| 23:05.00 | adyer | ds2: they're different enough to be their own thing |
| 23:05.11 | ds2 | I see |
| 23:05.25 | ds2 | I think of it the opposite way |
| 23:08.14 | sunrunner20 | FETS are a subset of transistors |
| 23:08.49 | flyback- | ok we can worry about this later |
| 23:08.52 | ds2 | FETs are so much nicer forms of transistors... no stinkin base current to work out or deal with |
| 23:08.54 | flyback- | I need to make a list of the ics to look for |
| 23:09.31 | flyback- | 245, 541, 573 |
| 23:09.48 | ds2 | might as well add the 273 to it |
| 23:09.57 | flyback- | DAMMIT |
| 23:10.04 | ds2 | and 173 and 373 |
| 23:10.05 | flyback- | I have four of those but they are HCT :/ |
| 23:10.17 | flyback- | 373 will work? |
| 23:10.21 | ds2 | 573/373 are the same thing but the 573 has a saner pinout |
| 23:10.24 | flyback- | cause I have a few AC373 |
| 23:10.29 | ds2 | IIRC, yes |
| 23:10.38 | adyer | 273 is edge triggered, you want 373 level triggered |
| 23:11.04 | ds2 | 373's are I/O I/O I/O whereas 573 is IIIIIIII OOOOOOOO |
| 23:11.12 | adyer | what do you have against HCT? |
| 23:11.18 | flyback- | HCT is +5 only |
| 23:11.28 | ds2 | adyer: I don't think he's using it that way...he just need a 5V to 3V converter |
| 23:11.41 | flyback- | possibly +2.5 also |
| 23:11.47 | flyback- | but probably rare |
| 23:11.52 | ds2 | so level/edge shouldn't matter as they are transparent unlike the x74's |
| 23:11.58 | flyback- | mainly just going to talk to +5 and +3.3 jtags |
| 23:12.15 | adyer | flyback-: we have some dsps that run the jtag at 1.2V ;-P |
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| 23:12.30 | flyback- | nice but I doubt I will be dealing with those in routers and consumer gear for a while |
| 23:12.34 | ds2 | I have a theory that HCTs are not 5V only; they are just 5V speced if you need TTL compliance...but this is just a theory |
| 23:12.49 | flyback- | I/O |
| 23:12.53 | flyback- | BITSTREAM WE WILL GO |
| 23:12.57 | flyback- | -01-1-1-101010101101010101101 |
| 23:12.58 | flyback- | I/O |
| 23:13.36 | flyback- | oh wow these are fairchild |
| 23:13.53 | flyback- | even says "wafer 17" on them |
| 23:13.54 | flyback- | heh |
| 23:14.37 | sunrunner20 | wafer 17? |
| 23:16.36 | flyback- | might not be fairchild |
| 23:17.07 | flyback- | looks like |
| 23:17.08 | flyback- | ~ |
| 23:18.34 | flyback- | could be nat semi |
| 23:18.35 | flyback- | older logo |
| 23:18.55 | ds2 | NSC owned Fairchild for a while IIRC |
| 23:19.55 | flyback- | so what do I have to do that's different from the way this is wired |
| 23:20.06 | flyback- | http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Customizing/Hardware/JTAG_Cable |
| 23:20.10 | flyback- | using a AC373 |
| 23:21.56 | flyback- | ac will go down to 2 volts |
| 23:21.58 | flyback- | perfect |
| 23:22.08 | flyback- | so it can buffer to +5 +3.3 or +2.5 jtags |
| 23:22.31 | ds2 | it is stuff like this that makes the flyswatter cheap |
| 23:22.56 | adyer | flyback-: remember that thats fine going to the target, but may not work on the signals going back to the PC |
| 23:23.01 | flyback- | ok |
| 23:23.12 | flyback- | what do i do then for the one line that goes back to the pc |
| 23:23.19 | flyback- | I don't think they are all bidir |
| 23:23.21 | flyback- | are they? |
| 23:23.49 | adyer | flyback-: sometimes the data lines a bidi, but not here |
| 23:24.18 | flyback- | well I mean what does the jtag spec call for :P |
| 23:24.39 | adyer | flyback-: jtag has all signals unidirectional |
| 23:24.53 | flyback- | question |
| 23:25.01 | flyback- | does that mean the diagram in that circuit is wrong |
| 23:25.15 | flyback- | for the data line going back to the pc |
| 23:25.22 | flyback- | the target should be hooked to the left side |
| 23:25.25 | flyback- | and the pc on the right |
| 23:25.32 | adyer | flyback-: the parallel port data can be bidrectional. circuit is fine since code never reads the data lines, only writes |
| 23:25.49 | flyback- | I know the parallel port can be |
| 23:25.50 | ds2 | get a 74LVX244 |
| 23:25.56 | flyback- | don't have any |
| 23:26.30 | adyer | flyback-: the 25-pin d-sub on the left is the pc |
| 23:26.37 | flyback- | I know this bro |
| 23:26.45 | flyback- | I am saying in the circuit in that 244 |
| 23:26.51 | flyback- | all the lines go from left to right |
| 23:26.57 | flyback- | so the diagram has to be wrong |
| 23:27.25 | adyer | flyback-: no the BUSY- line is driven back to the pc |
| 23:27.26 | flyback- | 9 and 11 should be swapped |
| 23:27.29 | flyback- | yes |
| 23:27.34 | flyback- | but I think that chip only goes 1 way |
| 23:27.35 | flyback- | afaik |
| 23:27.38 | flyback- | so it's wired wrong |
| 23:28.12 | adyer | flyback-: no a 244 has an 'alternating' pinout. look at the datasheet |
| 23:29.12 | flyback- | no it looks like it has 2 sections |
| 23:29.23 | flyback- | two grouos of 4 that could be switched left or right |
| 23:29.35 | flyback- | err wtf |
| 23:29.45 | flyback- | the datasheet has them labeled weird |
| 23:29.46 | flyback- | wtf |
| 23:30.19 | adyer | just look at pins 11, 19 and 9 |
| 23:30.30 | adyer | 11 is input, 9 is output |
| 23:30.41 | adyer | 19 is output enable |
| 23:31.25 | flyback- | oh so they have the 2nd half wired the other way? |
| 23:31.44 | flyback- | err switched |
| 23:31.46 | flyback- | gaaa |
| 23:32.07 | adyer | flyback-: 4 buffers have inputs on left, 4 buffers have inputs on right |
| 23:32.28 | adyer | outputs are opposite side of the inputs |
| 23:32.54 | flyback- | starting to see |
| 23:33.17 | flyback- | do I need to ground all the unused pins |
| 23:33.52 | adyer | flyback-: the reason it's that way is so you can use the part as a 4-bit bidirectional buffer by tying adjacent inputs and outputs together |
| 23:34.19 | flyback- | yeah I was thinking about that too :P |
| 23:34.22 | adyer | it's good practice to tie the unused pins to high or low |
| 23:34.34 | flyback- | yeah I know that but wasn't sure which way in this case :) |
| 23:34.38 | flyback- | I just follow the diagram |
| 23:34.57 | adyer | make sure the capacitor shown on the diagram above the parts is across the pwr/ground pins of the device |
| 23:35.06 | flyback- | what's the purpose of output enable |
| 23:35.10 | flyback- | like chip select? |
| 23:35.44 | adyer | you can hook a bunch of data lines together and make a multiplexer by controlling the OE lines |
| 23:35.58 | flyback- | yeah like I said |
| 23:36.02 | flyback- | kinda like chip select |
| 23:37.02 | flyback- | ok I need to find a AC373 diagram see how bad it's going to be |
| 23:37.29 | flyback- | ow |
| 23:38.23 | flyback- | I can see why you said 573 would be better :P |
| 23:39.34 | flyback- | what about the latch part of the 373/573 |
| 23:39.38 | flyback- | what do I want to do with it? |
| 23:39.39 | flyback- | ground it? |
| 23:40.03 | adyer | pull it high through a resistor. 10K or so should be fine |
| 23:40.13 | flyback- | oh so vcc |
| 23:40.38 | flyback- | but the output enable is pulled low? |
| 23:40.51 | adyer | yes |
| 23:40.56 | flyback- | ibibibibib |
| 23:41.59 | flyback- | I might have to find a 573 |
| 23:42.10 | flyback- | don't think I have the board space for a 373 wireup |
| 23:44.05 | flyback- | thx :) |
| 23:44.14 | flyback- | AC parts are better than HC right? |
| 23:45.03 | ds2 | there is always space, it is a matter of how much rats nesting you will accept ;) |
| 23:45.30 | flyback- | as much as a cheap radio shack pcb and the jtag spec will allow :) |
| 23:45.42 | flyback- | looks like cat5 is a good choice |
| 23:45.58 | ds2 | cat5 for ww?!?eh? |
| 23:46.03 | flyback- | ww? |
| 23:46.10 | ds2 | wire wrapping |
| 23:46.13 | ds2 | did I mis read? |
| 23:46.17 | flyback- | no for the lpt cable and jtag cables |
| 23:46.21 | ds2 | oh you said wireup not wirewrap.sorry |
| 23:46.33 | flyback- | I couldn't do wirewrap |
| 23:46.36 | flyback- | I can barely do soldering |
| 23:46.38 | flyback- | my hands shake |
| 23:47.12 | flyback- | ACTUALLY |
| 23:47.14 | flyback- | the 373 |
| 23:47.29 | flyback- | I could just pole valut over the ic for the outputs with the resistors |
| 23:47.30 | ds2 | in that case, it helps to draw it how you will wire it before doing it |
| 23:47.43 | ds2 | use different colors for different 'Z' layers |
| 23:48.53 | flyback- | damn |
| 23:49.00 | flyback- | starting to understand the use of flip flops |
| 23:49.29 | ds2 | the parallel port is basically a 374 sitting on the ISA bus with decoder feeding the CS |
| 23:49.36 | ds2 | so.... |
| 23:49.50 | flyback- | you going to watch the missel shootdown tomarrow |
| 23:49.56 | flyback- | err satalite |
| 23:50.34 | CosmicPenguin | And how is that on topic, I wonder? |
| 23:50.46 | flyback- | it's a piece of electronics |
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| 23:51.00 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: simpsons? ;) |
| 23:51.05 | CosmicPenguin | I would stick to the JTAG |
| 23:51.06 | flyback- | and a cool way to dispatch broken shit that pisses us off |
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| 23:55.20 | ds2 | any chance someone know there are patches for SDIO on the SA1110? |
| 23:55.26 | ds2 | (for 2.6) |
| 23:55.47 | CosmicPenguin | If there are they would probably be in Ossman's tree |
