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| 00:04.45 | ds2 | guess I am out of luck |
| 00:04.57 | ds2 | the Z stays unused :( |
| 00:15.01 | flyback- | :? |
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| 01:05.06 | ds2 | btw, if anyone is lurking and following the SA1110 SDIO inquiry... there apparently is no driver and there is a bounty out for one :/ |
| 01:11.31 | ds2 | oops, correction - the bounty did produce one in the Angstrom tree |
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| 02:10.40 | sunrunner20 | flyback: :\ |
| 02:11.05 | flyback | i'lll be ok |
| 02:15.37 | ds2 | rant/complaint - when you draw a schematic of signals going to a connector, do you actually use a connector symbol or just another box with signals going into it just like a IC but with a connector p/n? |
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| 02:18.04 | MonMotha | ds2: depends on the connector |
| 02:27.27 | ds2 | MonMotha: so a box that looks just like an IC is a standard practice ? |
| 02:28.02 | MonMotha | it's pretty common, yeah |
| 02:28.07 | ds2 | <--- spend a while trying to figure who when did Molex start making ICs before realizing it was a connector :( |
| 02:28.15 | ds2 | s/who// |
| 02:28.26 | MonMotha | for easy to draw or unusually distinctive connectors, specialized symbols are more popular |
| 02:28.55 | ds2 | I am used to having all the signals goto arrow heads or reverse arrow heads depending on the direction |
| 02:29.55 | ds2 | or at the least lined up nicely in a long, narrow rectangle.... enough ranting |
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| 04:48.22 | bloodhacker | hello |
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| 12:55.53 | icewaterman | hm, how can i add a dependency to an mk file? |
| 12:56.26 | icewaterman | because current buildroot builds pciutils before zlib (but pciutils requires zlib and therefore building fails) |
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| 14:34.53 | prpplague | wmat: ping ping ping |
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| 14:38.56 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:39.08 | prpplague | i didn't think there was such a thing as arm928ej |
| 14:39.16 | prpplague | i think that must be a typo |
| 14:43.30 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 14:43.41 | prpplague | wmat: status of the wiki move? |
| 14:44.22 | wmat | prpplague: files are on the new host now, i just have to import the DB, copy the mediawiki config over the base install config and pray it works |
| 14:44.46 | prpplague | wmat: eta ? |
| 14:45.15 | wmat | prpplague: today/tomorrow |
| 14:45.25 | wmat | prpplague: do you have bandwidth today to help? |
| 14:46.30 | prpplague | wmat: depends, whatcha need done |
| 14:46.32 | prpplague | wmat: ? |
| 14:46.55 | wmat | prpplague: import the .mysql db dump |
| 14:47.05 | wmat | prpplague: files are in /home/wmat |
| 14:47.11 | wmat | prpplague: you have root right? |
| 14:47.25 | prpplague | wmat: sorry no, never got access remember |
| 14:47.50 | wmat | prpplague: your user name is set up |
| 14:48.00 | wmat | try ssh to g.elinux.org |
| 14:48.16 | prpplague | wmat: first i've heard of it |
| 14:48.22 | prpplague | wmat: no idea what password to use |
| 14:48.26 | wmat | heh, surprise! |
| 14:49.19 | prpplague | no go , no idea what pwd to use |
| 14:50.21 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 15:18.29 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:18.44 | chouimat|work | prpplague: wow nice lag :) |
| 15:18.53 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe |
| 15:19.14 | prpplague | chouimat|work: was doing some things away from the desk |
| 15:19.38 | chouimat|work | prpplague: thanks for the idea I need another coffee |
| 15:19.48 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 16:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | whenever I turn off my monitor at night, it disconnects the usb bluetooth dongle attached in back |
| 16:14.33 | prpplague | doh |
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| 16:31.05 | prpplague | duderonomy: greetings |
| 16:49.11 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 16:59.39 | RobotGuy | G'Day Mates |
| 17:00.54 | prpplague | greetings |
| 17:05.37 | RobotGuy | Knoppix is my friend |
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| 17:17.23 | RobotGuy | I got Kubuntu working again, without the stupid ATI drivers. |
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| 17:19.40 | prpplague | ~quote scoxq.pk |
| 17:20.27 | CosmicPenguin | oh - did the sale get announced? |
| 17:22.19 | CosmicPenguin | SCO is back |
| 17:22.28 | CosmicPenguin | and this time... its personal |
| 17:24.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:29.25 | sunrunner20 | pr>_> |
| 17:29.39 | sunrunner20 | chelsey clinton is BORING AS HELL |
| 17:29.50 | sunrunner20 | worse yet she's ruining my lunch hour |
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| 18:05.07 | prpplague | ~seen Dr{Who} |
| 18:05.16 | purl | dr{who} <n=mathewss@dev.null.nutech.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 4d 13h 32m 25s ago, saying: 'ok well im out.. my better half is calling guessing she wants me home : c )'. |
| 18:06.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: indeed it is |
| 18:07.11 | RobotGuy | Too bad |
| 18:07.56 | RobotGuy | I had to switch back to using the standard ati driver in Xorg. |
| 18:09.22 | landley | Hiya prpplague. |
| 18:09.27 | landley | You mentioned a new kernel patch? |
| 18:11.55 | prpplague | landley: yea, nothing major, basically just a collection of the known tweaks and fixes |
| 18:12.05 | prpplague | landley: try to put that out this afternoon |
| 18:12.49 | prpplague | landley: plus a default kernel config for the nail |
| 18:12.58 | RobotGuy | I just built a completely stock toolchain, and am building a completely stock kernel now. |
| 18:13.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 18:15.43 | landley | prpplague: cool. Thanks. |
| 18:16.07 | landley | I have the nail with me, and may take a poke at getting it reflashed this afternoon. |
| 18:16.25 | prpplague | landley: okie dokie, let me know, it should be pretty straigh forward |
| 18:16.38 | prpplague | landley: still looking over case designs |
| 18:16.41 | landley | Well, for one thing the way it auto-boots itself means the flashy script has to first quiesce it before it can lobotomize it. |
| 18:17.02 | landley | Is the script on the old CD already doing that, or should I download a new one from the web pages? |
| 18:17.39 | prpplague | landley: the jtag portion of the hardware includes a reset control, so when you do a reflash, the jtag takes over |
| 18:17.56 | prpplague | landley: you can use the original scripts with no problems |
| 18:18.00 | landley | ok |
| 18:18.11 | landley | Any word on a reverse flash script? |
| 18:18.22 | landley | (One you can run on the nail to give you _back_ the three files that were installed on it?) |
| 18:18.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: "length error" :( |
| 18:18.45 | landley | Just in case you're not sure what's currently installed on the board, and/or want to back up the root filesystem. |
| 18:19.44 | prpplague | landley: yea i can post that, just not something i normally find useful |
| 18:25.41 | landley | It's nice to have. :) |
| 18:26.12 | landley | "I've got the nail board set up how I like, I want to be able to back up this configuration and revert to it". |
| 18:26.42 | landley | Also, if you can suck the current filesystem off the nailboard, loopback mount it locally to add files to it, and copy it back to the board... |
| 18:26.42 | RobotGuy | landley: Back up the images you created the config with. :) |
| 18:26.52 | landley | You don't necessarily need the network working. |
| 18:27.04 | landley | RobotGuy: if you can log into the board, you're going to wind up tweaking the config on the live board. |
| 18:27.12 | prpplague | landley: 1) if you are using the default images, you should have copies of them to reload, 2) if you are using a custom image, you should have the copies you loaded in the first place |
| 18:27.58 | landley | prpplague: I'm not saying it can't be done the other way, I'm saying it's nice to be _able_ to just fiddle directly with the board and then say "ok, I've got the board how I want it: snapshot that." |
| 18:28.01 | landley | Nice to have the option. |
| 18:28.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:28.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:28.13 | prpplague | i'll post the script |
| 18:28.19 | prpplague | its basically the same |
| 18:28.22 | prpplague | just in reverse |
| 18:28.31 | landley | Also, "Your board's behaving all WEIRD? Gimme a snapshot please." |
| 18:28.59 | prpplague | landley: hmm |
| 18:29.15 | prpplague | landley: i would normally as for the images not a backup |
| 18:29.26 | prpplague | landley: i do see your point |
| 18:29.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There would not be images if tweaks had been done on the board itself. |
| 18:30.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how are you going to do tweaks on the board itself? |
| 18:30.48 | RobotGuy | Ask landley. |
| 18:31.51 | landley | RobotGuy: you give people a root login to the board and expect them _not_ to do tweaks on the board itself? |
| 18:31.59 | RobotGuy | I don't know anything about anything. |
| 18:32.14 | landley | I'm not saying I recommend this behavior, I'm saying I expect it. |
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| 18:41.25 | prpplague | landley: http://www.pastebin.ca/911457 |
| 18:47.18 | landley | Alas, pastebin has banned this chick-fil-a for the next 11 days and 26 minutes. |
| 18:47.34 | landley | (Did I mention a lot of people use windows laptops from here?) |
| 18:47.47 | landley | I sort of assume windows laptops come preinstalled with rootkits and viruses these days, to save time. |
| 18:51.14 | landley | The bit that amuses me is it says days and minutes, but no hours... |
| 18:56.01 | ds2 | morning |
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| 19:03.41 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 19:04.32 | landley | prpplague: if you have another place to post whatever that was (the flash backup script?) I'd be interested... |
| 19:04.40 | landley | Or email attachments work. :) |
| 19:04.54 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'll email you a copy, the wiki is still being moved |
| 19:05.03 | prpplague | landley: should be up and running again in a few days |
| 19:05.16 | prpplague | i guess i could post it there now, just will have to repost it later |
| 19:06.31 | landley | I should probably put the documentation I'm writing on the wiki, but my problem with wikis is editorial. |
| 19:06.59 | landley | A wiki is a great place to accumulate a slush pile, but it's a horrible thing to try and organize coherently. |
| 19:07.12 | landley | (Wikipedia's index is google.) |
| 19:07.50 | prpplague | landley: you can restrict your page |
| 19:07.54 | prpplague | landley: from edits |
| 19:08.07 | prpplague | landley: i like it because i can link between information |
| 19:08.25 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/images/1/1e/Hammer-backup.ocd |
| 19:10.42 | landley | Ooh. |
| 19:10.57 | landley | You mentioned there's more than one light on the board, right? |
| 19:11.10 | prpplague | landley: yea, there are 2 user accessable leds |
| 19:11.12 | landley | I don't suppose there could be a visible indication of the board being quiesced by the flashy-thing? |
| 19:11.27 | prpplague | landley: not sure i understand |
| 19:11.37 | landley | Ideally it would be nice if the little red light also had a green mode, so it could be green when running and red when receiving power but Linux isn't up. |
| 19:11.54 | landley | The backup script above is presumably going to crash the board, right? |
| 19:12.02 | landley | (Otherwise Linux may be modifying the filesystem while we back it up.) |
| 19:12.03 | prpplague | landley: shouldn't |
| 19:12.08 | landley | Ah. |
| 19:12.17 | landley | Is there a way to suspend execution? |
| 19:12.26 | landley | Just stop the processor for a bit, and then resume it later with a second command? |
| 19:12.39 | prpplague | landley: the sections that are being backed up are in flash and aren't active when linux is running |
| 19:12.50 | prpplague | landley: yea, you can do that with the openocd |
| 19:12.55 | landley | The root filesystem isn't backed up, or isn't in flash? |
| 19:13.09 | prpplague | landley: the root fs is a initrd |
| 19:13.14 | landley | Ah. |
| 19:13.17 | landley | Ok, that makes sense. |
| 19:13.19 | landley | Hmmm... |
| 19:13.33 | landley | Actually, in that case people are less likely to make changes to the live board. |
| 19:13.50 | landley | But I plan to do a kernel that has an actual persistent filesystem on the board, so... :) |
| 19:13.58 | landley | (It has 16 megs of flash, was it?) |
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| 19:14.27 | prpplague | yea, minus 256k for the bootloader, and minus the size of the kernel in flash, most likely 1024k |
| 19:14.30 | landley | I'm still amused I'm plugging a giant mass of bubble wrap into my USB port. |
| 19:14.50 | landley | So ~14 megs for a root filesystem. Cool. |
| 19:14.54 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:15.49 | landley | How do I use this ocd file again? (Rummages...) |
| 19:16.51 | prpplague | landley: you'll need to make a copy of the hammer.cfg and rename it hammer-backup.cfg |
| 19:16.52 | landley | Extracting the openocd source: has no makefile. Run ./bootstrap: aclocal not found... |
| 19:17.07 | prpplague | landley: you having to reload openocd? |
| 19:17.37 | landley | I had the source lying around, but not the binaries. |
| 19:17.41 | landley | Digging out the cd now... |
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| 19:17.53 | prpplague | landley: hmm, i thought you had the openocd running in the past |
| 19:18.06 | landley | Didn't want to lobotomize my board. |
| 19:18.17 | landley | I read through what I'd need to do, but I didn't actually _try_ it yet. |
| 19:18.19 | landley | Doing so now... |
| 19:18.24 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 19:20.10 | landley | Ok, copy hammer.cfg, change ./hammer.ocd to ./Hammer-backup.ocd |
| 19:20.14 | landley | That should be it? |
| 19:20.36 | landley | I should probably make one script with a $1 in there... |
| 19:20.57 | landley | Fun. |
| 19:21.01 | landley | telnet_port: command not found. |
| 19:21.06 | landley | And about a dozen other not found messages... |
| 19:21.22 | prpplague | landley: you'll need to copy hammer.cfg to hammer-backup.cfg |
| 19:21.31 | landley | I copied it to "backup.cfg". |
| 19:21.33 | prpplague | landley: where are you seeing that? |
| 19:21.39 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 19:21.41 | landley | Sorry, tried to run the .cfg as a shell script. |
| 19:21.43 | landley | Misread it. :) |
| 19:21.46 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 19:22.04 | prpplague | landley: you'll need to edit backup.cfg and change the name of the ocd script listed |
| 19:22.36 | landley | libftd2xx.so.0: cannot open shared library |
| 19:22.48 | landley | I made a symlink to libftd2x.13 and set LD_PRELOAD_PATH=. |
| 19:22.52 | landley | Didn't help. :P |
| 19:23.20 | prpplague | cd /usr/lib |
| 19:23.20 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.20 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.20 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.27 | landley | Static linking: it's what's for dinner. |
| 19:23.41 | landley | This isn't on the cd? |
| 19:23.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:23.51 | prpplague | yea, its in the tarball |
| 19:24.13 | landley | Ah, in the "source" not "binaries" directory. |
| 19:24.24 | prpplague | correct |
| 19:24.41 | landley | So what's libftd2x.13? |
| 19:24.56 | prpplague | landley: where do you see that? |
| 19:25.17 | landley | in /media/cdrom/flyswatt/binaries |
| 19:25.52 | prpplague | landley: ahh that should be libftd2xx.so.0.4.13 |
| 19:25.58 | prpplague | landley: its not showing up as that? |
| 19:26.39 | landley | Possibly openocd is ignoring LD_PRELOAD_PATH. Lemme see... |
| 19:27.04 | landley | Ah, it wanted LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:27.16 | landley | (Well, ld-linux.so did. :) |
| 19:27.23 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 19:28.03 | landley | And of course running openocd complains it can't find a config file but doesn't say what command you give to SUPPLY the config file. |
| 19:28.08 | landley | And -? just confuses it. |
| 19:28.17 | prpplague | landley: what command did you issue? |
| 19:28.17 | landley | Ah, --help works. |
| 19:28.35 | landley | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./openocd |
| 19:28.43 | landley | Just wanted a help message to see how to feed it the config file. |
| 19:28.52 | landley | According to --help, it's -f |
| 19:28.53 | prpplague | landley: openocd -f backup.cfg |
| 19:29.13 | landley | Unable to open ftdi device: 18 |
| 19:29.26 | landley | No idea what that means. |
| 19:29.41 | prpplague | landley: you running it as root? |
| 19:29.51 | prpplague | landley: and do you have the nail plugged in? |
| 19:29.52 | landley | *wince* |
| 19:29.54 | landley | This is a requirement? |
| 19:29.58 | landley | The nail is plugged in. |
| 19:30.26 | landley | Running it as root made no difference. |
| 19:30.43 | landley | And running arbitrary third party binaries as root is... about as much fun as it sounds, really. |
| 19:30.49 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:30.59 | landley | Don't need to be root to talk to /dev/ttyUSB1, dunno why I'd need to be to talk to /dev/ttyUSB0. |
| 19:31.48 | prpplague | landley: i think it depends on the distro and how they setup the permissions on devices like usbx |
| 19:31.58 | landley | Ok, so ftd is a flower delivery service, ftdi would be an international flower delivery service? |
| 19:31.59 | landley | On a chip? |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | landley: something like that, hehe |
| 19:32.50 | landley | ls -l /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 19:32.50 | landley | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 0 2008-02-20 13:14 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 19:32.50 | landley | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 188, 1 2008-02-20 13:14 /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 19:32.58 | prpplague | landley: can you do this: cat cat /proc/bus/usb/devices | grep -e Flyswatter |
| 19:33.00 | landley | And user "landley" is in group "dialout". |
| 19:33.27 | landley | cat: /proc/bus/usb/devices: No such file or directory |
| 19:33.47 | prpplague | landley: is procfs mounted? |
| 19:33.54 | landley | Yup. |
| 19:34.04 | landley | This is a more or less stock Ubuntu 7.10 x86-64, by the way. |
| 19:34.12 | prpplague | landley: is usbfs ? |
| 19:34.16 | landley | (I've broken stuff since I installed it, but I think I put most of the bits back together where they usually went.) |
| 19:34.20 | landley | usbfs is not mounted, no. |
| 19:34.28 | prpplague | 2) ubuntu also needs usbfs turned on: mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb (as root) |
| 19:34.46 | landley | Good thing to document, that. |
| 19:34.57 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_use_Jtag |
| 19:35.15 | landley | Grep now says "S: Product=Flyswatter" |
| 19:35.23 | landley | And the error from openocd is exactly the same. |
| 19:36.02 | prpplague | landley: hmm interesting |
| 19:36.20 | landley | You're right, that's in there. :) |
| 19:36.33 | landley | I'd separate the "how to compile the tools" from "how to use the tools" sections. |
| 19:36.53 | landley | I find the <ul><li> tags to be my personal friends. :) |
| 19:36.56 | prpplague | landley: so you have libftd2xx.so.0.4.13 in /usr/lib alon with the symlinks |
| 19:37.20 | landley | No, I have it in the current directory and I set LD_PRELOAD_PATH. |
| 19:37.29 | landley | It wouldn't run at all when it couldn't find the shared library. |
| 19:37.34 | landley | Excuse, LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 19:37.51 | landley | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./openocd -f backup.cfg |
| 19:38.12 | landley | It says: |
| 19:38.15 | landley | Info: openocd.c:93 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-09-05 09:00 CEST) |
| 19:38.15 | landley | Error: ft2232.c:1345 ft2232_init_ftd2xx(): unable to open ftdi device: 2 |
| 19:38.31 | landley | Did I mention I break stuff? :) |
| 19:38.37 | prpplague | indee |
| 19:38.38 | prpplague | d |
| 19:40.24 | prpplague | landley: can you paste your backup.cfg somewhere? |
| 19:40.35 | prpplague | landley: or email it to me at dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 19:40.58 | landley | It's just the one that came on the CD with the one ocd line changed, but sure. |
| 19:41.40 | landley | Emailed. |
| 19:41.46 | prpplague | landley: just want to double check |
| 19:42.05 | prpplague | landley: you tested both running as user and root? |
| 19:42.42 | landley | Yeah, but that was before I mounted usbfs... |
| 19:42.53 | prpplague | landley: can you retry as root, just as a test |
| 19:42.59 | landley | Ooh, running as root is doing something. |
| 19:43.04 | landley | Why does it need to run as root? |
| 19:43.06 | landley | That's evil. |
| 19:43.16 | landley | I'm in the dialout group... |
| 19:43.58 | landley | Installing rootkit, uploading bank account info... |
| 19:44.03 | landley | It's a bit slow, but seems to be working. |
| 19:44.31 | prpplague | landley: jtag is slow compared to most data transfer methods |
| 19:44.55 | landley | Ok, I have an apex.bin.bk, rootfs.arm.ext2.gz.bk, and zImage.bk. |
| 19:44.59 | landley | Now in theory I can flash 'em back on? |
| 19:45.15 | prpplague | landley: yea |
| 19:45.53 | prpplague | landley: the permission thats nessary to change inorder to run openocd as a user is on the device entry in /proc/bus/usb |
| 19:46.04 | prpplague | landley: i.e. /proc/bus/usb/001 |
| 19:46.15 | landley | I intentionally (naievely) ran the hammer.cfg script with those files still having the ".bk" extensions. |
| 19:46.26 | landley | Just to see what it would do. |
| 19:46.32 | landley | It's... thinking. |
| 19:46.46 | prpplague | landley: the hammer.ocd is gonna be looking for the ones without .bk |
| 19:46.55 | prpplague | landley: the flash erase takes about 90 seconds |
| 19:46.57 | landley | And it erased the flash before noticing that the files didn't exist. Go openocd! |
| 19:47.15 | landley | And _this_ is why I wanted to make sure I had unbricking expertise on hand before playing with it... |
| 19:47.31 | landley | Right, wrapper script. Check files first, then call openocd. |
| 19:47.50 | prpplague | landley: yea, that'll do the trick |
| 19:48.30 | landley | Just letting you know _how_ I broke it this time... |
| 19:48.48 | prpplague | hehe, np |
| 19:49.35 | landley | It might be nice if it let me know what it was going to do _before_ it did it, rather than pausing for 40 seconds and then saying "I wasn't hung, I just did X!" |
| 19:50.26 | landley | I don't suppose the .cfg file has an "echo" command? |
| 19:50.50 | prpplague | landley: yea thats been discussed alot but never implemented, since openocd is designed as a very low level tool |
| 19:50.58 | prpplague | landley: nope, never been added |
| 19:51.15 | landley | Yes, but as long as we're attempting to get less low-level people to use it... |
| 19:51.26 | landley | Another option is to break the .cfg file into three pieces and have a wrapper script call them in sequence. |
| 19:51.37 | landley | Or four pieces, with the blank. |
| 19:51.41 | prpplague | landley: indeed thats why i'm writing a single app to the reflashing |
| 19:51.51 | prpplague | landley: yea i was about to type that |
| 19:52.22 | landley | Does the mww stuff need to be done each time you run openocd? |
| 19:52.23 | prpplague | landley: thats what we do for our production flashing |
| 19:52.26 | landley | Not quite sure what that does... |
| 19:52.33 | prpplague | landley: yea, that is setting up the sdram |
| 19:53.13 | landley | What I mean is, if you have 4 cfg/ocd pairs to be run in sequence, one to blank, and one to write each of the three binaries... |
| 19:53.21 | landley | How much of the setup prefix stuff needs to be copied into each ocd? |
| 19:53.36 | landley | Also, is there any sort of comment syntax in this that could say what these _do_? |
| 19:53.53 | landley | fast_memory_access enable! Hyperforce team go! |
| 19:53.53 | prpplague | landley: the setup starting at the first mww down to and including the flash probe 0 would need to be done each time |
| 19:53.59 | landley | Form the giant lion! |
| 19:54.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:54.16 | landley | Decouple mouth movements from words: now! |
| 19:54.42 | landley | ok |
| 19:55.01 | landley | Does this actually tell the jtag to do something, or just tell openocd what the board looks like? |
| 19:55.49 | prpplague | landley: for comments # can be used |
| 19:55.54 | landley | Can hammer.cfg include more than one target_script? |
| 19:56.02 | landley | Or for that matter, is there any sort of inline syntax for any of this stuff? |
| 19:56.14 | landley | (Welcome to Stupid Question Theatre, with your host...) |
| 19:56.29 | prpplague | landley: hehe, np, lets do one at a time |
| 19:56.38 | prpplague | <landley> Does this actually tell the jtag to do something, or just tell openocd what the board looks like? |
| 19:56.46 | prpplague | which section are your refering to? |
| 19:56.56 | landley | The prefix setup stuff that needs to be repeated each time. |
| 19:57.08 | landley | I know what the last 4 lines do. |
| 19:57.36 | landley | But the "change into your superhero costume" code I dunno. |
| 19:58.13 | prpplague | landley: ahh , yea the addresses are registers in the arm processor, and the associated values are the values needed to initialize the sdram, mww is memory write word, so you are actually writing to the specified address the given value |
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| 19:58.57 | prpplague | landley: you can do the flashing without initializing the sdram, but it's much slower |
| 19:59.09 | prpplague | <landley> Can hammer.cfg include more than one target_script? |
| 19:59.16 | prpplague | no the .cfg can only do one .cfg |
| 19:59.45 | prpplague | <landley> Or for that matter, is there any sort of inline syntax for any of this stuff? |
| 19:59.51 | landley | prpplague: if I run openocd and then immediately run openocd again, does the sram de-initialize between them? |
| 20:00.20 | landley | prpplague: do you mean the .cfg can only do one .ocd? |
| 20:00.34 | prpplague | landley: yea only one .ocd |
| 20:01.02 | prpplague | landley: if you look at the ocd script you will see a reset command at the end |
| 20:01.30 | landley | prpplague: so if I leave that off, I can reset the board as its own step? |
| 20:01.43 | landley | (I'm thinking of having a script call openocd several times.) |
| 20:01.55 | landley | So it would be the script's job to make sure all the steps happen in the right order... |
| 20:01.57 | prpplague | landley: if you don't issue the reset, the sdram won't need to be re-initialized, but as a general rule at this level of work, its not a good idea to assume anything, the memory initial is done extremely quickly |
| 20:02.34 | prpplague | landley: yea, what i we normally have is a .txt with the init |
| 20:02.56 | prpplague | landley: then when we build the ocd script we take that as the base, and add to it the nessary commands |
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| 21:36.56 | prpplague | landley: still alive? |
| 21:37.01 | landley | Yup. |
| 21:37.10 | landley | The flashy thing reboots the board when it's done. Cool. |
| 21:37.25 | landley | Will the reboot button be pressable through the official case? |
| 21:38.21 | prpplague | landley: i hadn't decided on that yet |
| 21:38.40 | landley | Pressing the reset button is the easy way to see the early boot stuff. |
| 21:38.58 | landley | It would be nice if there was some way to get the bootloader not to insta-boot the board so you could play with the bootloader prompt... |
| 21:39.07 | prpplague | landley: yea, or do a ocd script with nothing but reset in it |
| 21:39.09 | landley | Probably somewhere I can hit apex.bin to get it to do that. |
| 21:39.18 | landley | Ah, there's a possiblity. |
| 21:39.23 | landley | Having to run that as root would suck, though. |
| 21:39.34 | landley | Why do we have to run apex as root again? you said it's in usbfs somewhere? |
| 21:39.54 | prpplague | landley: just need to change the permissions on the usbfs device, i.e. /proc/bus/usb/001 |
| 21:40.38 | landley | It's world readable... |
| 21:40.51 | landley | I take it the thing needs to write to /proc/bus/usb/001/001? |
| 21:41.01 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:43.16 | landley | How does one change said permissions? |
| 21:43.38 | landley | I just looked at the salad under /sys/bus/usb/devices and Not Going There seems to be high on the agenda. |
| 21:44.09 | landley | Did you ever get the kernel patch broken up? :) |
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| 21:46.04 | prpplague | landley: yea, just been swampped |
| 21:46.25 | prpplague | landley: i'll try to get them emailed to you before EOD |
| 21:46.47 | Dr{Who} | Q. in busybox if we have a common configure define we want set say to deal with malloc on uclib not being standard we would define ac_cv_func_malloc_0_nonnull before we run config. I see many people talking about a "common" config.cache but so far no activity. So i can define stuff like this in TARGET_CONFIGURE_ARGS but i dont see that its anywhere inside of buildroot to set this? did i miss a bit? or should i just define in my own env vars before i |
| 21:46.47 | Dr{Who} | build? |
| 21:47.03 | Dr{Who} | sorry scratch the ref to busybox i ment buildroot |
| 21:47.11 | prpplague | landley: the mount command for the usbfs has some options to change the default permissions as groups for usbfs |
| 21:47.17 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: greetings |
| 21:47.27 | Dr{Who} | howdy. |
| 21:47.40 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: did you have some questions about the hammer module the other day? |
| 21:48.03 | Dr{Who} | not specificly. I am very interested in getting one just saving up on $$ : c ) |
| 21:48.14 | landley | prpplague: ah. |
| 21:48.38 | landley | prpplague: I'd be happy to send him my other one. |
| 21:48.55 | landley | Now I've got the nail one I'm unlikely to use the one that's in the big board. |
| 21:49.23 | prpplague | landley: mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb -nodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=123,devmode=0664 |
| 21:49.54 | Dr{Who} | we do some embeded stuff at nutech.com for automotive industry but not as much as i would like. i already passed around the url to my team. |
| 21:50.29 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: ahh ok, well if there is anything you have a question about, just let me know |
| 21:50.37 | Dr{Who} | yep. thanks. |
| 21:50.40 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: you seen the nail yet? |
| 21:51.15 | Dr{Who} | hmm no let me look |
| 21:51.35 | Dr{Who} | url. |
| 21:51.40 | landley | DrWho: do you want the hammer board I've got? |
| 21:51.47 | landley | I have a nail board now, I don't need the older one... |
| 21:51.57 | Dr{Who} | do they work about the same? |
| 21:52.07 | landley | It's the same hammer module, just a different carrier. |
| 21:52.16 | Dr{Who} | ok so just formatting / layout |
| 21:52.16 | landley | They run the same bootloader, kernel, and root filesystem. |
| 21:52.24 | Dr{Who} | ya i would be interested |
| 21:52.33 | landley | Slightly different peripherals hooked up, I think. |
| 21:52.38 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 21:53.13 | landley | drwho: email your shipping info to rob at landley.net |
| 21:53.26 | landley | I'll try to find a box to put it in. |
| 21:53.44 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 21:53.54 | Dr{Who} | whats the price on the nail going to be? |
| 21:54.02 | landley | prpplague: you don't mind me denying you a sale like this, do you? :) |
| 21:54.02 | landley | I hate to see good hardware going unused... |
| 21:54.02 | prpplague | $189 in single qty |
| 21:54.08 | prpplague | landley: nope |
| 21:54.22 | prpplague | landley: more that it is in the hands of people that will do cool stuff the better |
| 21:56.19 | prpplague | landley: if you remount your usbfs with this it should be ok: mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb -nodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=dialout,devmode=0664 |
| 21:57.11 | prpplague | landley: where dialout==dialoutgroup it |
| 21:57.15 | prpplague | id |
| 21:57.32 | prpplague | well @#$@#4 |
| 21:57.38 | prpplague | landley: lets try that one more time |
| 21:57.46 | prpplague | landley: if you remount your usbfs with this it should be ok: mount -o remount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb -nodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=dialout,devmode=0664 |
| 22:01.55 | landley | Wow, does it really accept that syntax for remount options? |
| 22:02.07 | landley | I don't think I taught busybox mount that syntax... |
| 22:03.14 | landley | Says "not already mounted, or bad option". |
| 22:04.00 | landley | Tried the old busybox mount command (I wrote that one, I know what it's doing) and it just says "failed". |
| 22:04.01 | prpplague | landley: did you remember to subsitite the dialout group id number for the word dialout ? |
| 22:04.15 | landley | That would do it, yes. :) |
| 22:04.39 | prpplague | landley: it work then? |
| 22:05.08 | landley | Yup. :) |
| 22:05.10 | landley | Thanks. |
| 22:05.45 | landley | Heh, I can break this script up into stages. |
| 22:05.51 | landley | Stage 1: Let's brick the board! |
| 22:05.55 | landley | Confirm it doesn't boot. |
| 22:05.58 | landley | Add a bootloader! |
| 22:06.00 | landley | Add a kernel! |
| 22:06.02 | landley | Add a root filesystem! |
| 22:06.08 | landley | Trying to boot the board between each stage. |
| 22:06.27 | landley | And using ocd to reboot the board is cool too. Software hard reset button. |
| 22:06.55 | prpplague | landley: you can access those functions using the libftd2xx library |
| 22:07.05 | prpplague | landley: if you want to generate your own reset code in c |
| 22:07.22 | landley | Nah, I'm pretty happy using the existing binary. |
| 22:07.50 | landley | If they have to learn to use openocd anyway, it's less setup work to have a wrapper script around that than to have them build/install multiple tools. |
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| 22:10.42 | prpplague | landley: okie dokie |
| 22:11.05 | landley | I WANT ONE! http://pesn.com/2008/02/19/9500471_Gravity_Lamp/ |
| 22:11.27 | prpplague | landley: hehe yea, i've already started looking to make one of my own |
| 22:12.45 | landley | It seems to be the same light diffusy thing as laptop screens use, plus white LEDs, plus a generator driven by (more or less) clockwork. |
| 22:12.59 | landley | If you can generate 800 lumens from a light you _wind_ (which then lasts 4 hours)... that's cool. |
| 22:23.15 | prpplague | landley: oh what i was going to tell you and forgot was that i've added an option to the bootloader so you can control the timeout and command line options with either the jumpers or via the gpio lines on the ftd2232 |
| 22:24.36 | landley | Cool. |
| 22:24.41 | landley | What are the gpio lines on the ftd2232? |
| 22:25.07 | prpplague | landley: there are 4 software controlled gpio lines on the ft2232 that are connected to matching gpio lines on the hamemr |
| 22:25.18 | landley | (Me, I was just thinking of running "strings" on the bootloader binary, replacing the environment variable with a different value, and re-loading it into the board leaving the kernel and initrd intact.) |
| 22:25.31 | landley | How does one toggle a gpio line? |
| 22:25.52 | prpplague | landley: its done via the libftd2xx |
| 22:25.54 | CosmicPenguin | first you have to bait it, then you toss it into the water |
| 22:25.57 | prpplague | landley: i.e. in a c app |
| 22:26.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:26.16 | CosmicPenguin | that just wasn't very good |
| 22:26.32 | prpplague | landley: i'll be adding some code to do that to openocd |
| 22:26.38 | prpplague | landley: as well as stand alone apps |
| 22:27.01 | Dr{Who} | looks like i will have to order a few things. My jtag programmer is for atmel an ISP 10 pin header. I use ponyprog for all of my programming. |
| 22:27.26 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the kit landley is sending you comes with everything you need |
| 22:27.34 | landley | drwho: i can send you the flyswatter board that came with my hammer. |
| 22:27.48 | Dr{Who} | oh.. ok cool was already looking for sockets to set the board into in my lab : c ) |
| 22:28.22 | landley | The hammer module is basically a big centipede-style chip. |
| 22:28.31 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16142&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 22:29.02 | landley | It fits into a "hammer carrier" board, which has lots of random other chips on it that I'm vaguely unclear on what they do. (I forgot.) |
| 22:29.14 | landley | That has a plug for the power supply (wall wart). |
| 22:29.19 | Dr{Who} | perfect that will make it easy to work with. |
| 22:29.37 | landley | Then there's the flyswatter board, which plugs into the hammer's "expansion" connector thingy. |
| 22:29.37 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: thats the goal, hehe |
| 22:30.05 | landley | Flyswatter provides A) a USB to serial converter, B) a USB to jtag converter. |
| 22:30.40 | landley | So basically, it's like the nail only really really big, tempting for cats to sit on, and it needs a wall outlet and several long cords. |
| 22:30.51 | landley | Oh, and it needs flat space. |
| 22:30.55 | landley | Always at a premium. |
| 22:31.10 | landley | And the flyswatter keeps wanting to turn upside down due to tension in the connector cables. |
| 22:31.21 | landley | I usually just let it, as long as it doesn't touch the other board. |
| 22:31.29 | prpplague | landley: hehe, indeed it is pretty much the same, just different target audience |
| 22:31.34 | landley | prpplague: I am a software person. I've been very up front about this. :) |
| 22:31.42 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 22:31.55 | landley | On the bright side for hardware guys, it's got a dozen rows of little connector wire holes, instead of just one row on each side ala nail. |
| 22:34.12 | prpplague | landley: so you are getting the hang of the openocd stuff? |
| 22:34.41 | landley | prpplague: I got it to work, I can ignore it now. :) |
| 22:34.47 | landley | It's Out Of My Way (tm). |
| 22:34.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:35.14 | prpplague | landley: yea, shouldn't really be afraid of bricking it |
| 22:35.23 | prpplague | landley: pretty easy to reload |
| 22:35.27 | landley | It would be nice if I could rebuild it from source (meaning I need to fit oponocd with libfti or whatever it was and just let it be slow)... |
| 22:35.31 | landley | prpplague: it is _now_. |
| 22:35.39 | landley | Wasn't before I had a reproducible sequency thing. |
| 22:35.54 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 22:36.03 | landley | I could have been blocked on not knowing I needed to mount usbfs, not knowing I needed to run it as root, not knowing how to get the shared library it needed set up... |
| 22:36.38 | landley | And at least five other things that won't block _me_ but could easily block other people... |
| 22:36.48 | prpplague | oh interesting, http://shop.strato.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectID=11538 |
| 22:37.24 | prpplague | landley: yea, most of that is covered in the howto, but i think i need to update some of the notes |
| 22:37.46 | landley | prpplague: yeah, I thought you knew about that thing. |
| 22:37.50 | landley | Somebody else posted it here a while ago... |
| 22:38.00 | prpplague | landley: yea, i did, but it looks to be available now |
| 22:38.00 | landley | I'm fairly certain I read the howto already... :) |
| 22:38.08 | landley | I missed some of the stuff in it the first couple times, though. |
| 22:38.14 | prpplague | landley: trying to find a price though |
| 22:38.45 | landley | prplague: $152. |
| 22:38.47 | prpplague | landley: yea, thats why i need to change the format a little to high the points that most people get stuck on |
| 22:39.02 | landley | http://shop.strato.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605/Categories/CALEMB |
| 22:39.30 | landley | prpplague: I plan to cover this in the documentation I'm writing. I hope to get something together this evening, but I'm juggling at least 4 balls. |
| 22:39.41 | prpplague | landley: np, i know the feeling |
| 22:40.32 | prpplague | landley: where did you $152 |
| 22:40.35 | prpplague | you see |
| 22:41.06 | landley | At the above url. |
| 22:41.23 | landley | Ah, sorry. |
| 22:41.27 | landley | 152 L thingies. |
| 22:41.31 | landley | Different symbol, not $ |
| 22:41.37 | landley | Along the right edge. |
| 22:41.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:41.45 | landley | Euros, that's what those are. |
| 22:41.51 | landley | Significantly more expensive, I guess. :) |
| 22:42.12 | prpplague | yea looks to be $215.00 for the base model |
| 22:42.48 | landley | Was it 5k units volume to drop down into the $89 range? |
| 22:43.02 | prpplague | landley: no 10k |
| 22:43.08 | landley | 10k. Check. |
| 22:43.12 | prpplague | landley: 5k it drops down to around $120 |
| 22:43.23 | landley | Because an $89 product like this is a different beastie than >$100. |
| 22:43.33 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:43.34 | landley | You start getting hobbyists tinkering at that price point. |
| 22:43.54 | landley | (And you get twice as many at $49, but that doesn't seem likely any time soon.) |
| 22:44.05 | landley | Casual hobbyists, I mean. |
| 22:44.44 | prpplague | landley: yea to drop to $49 it would be in the 50k range |
| 22:44.52 | prpplague | or more |
| 22:45.24 | landley | That's possible in a year or two, but probably not in the first year. |
| 22:45.26 | ds2 | prpplague: random hammer thought - how hard do you think it would be to add an X10 interface to the hammer? |
| 22:45.42 | prpplague | ds2: good question |
| 22:46.03 | ds2 | I can imagine someone wanting to do some custom home automation stuff with it |
| 22:46.33 | Dr{Who} | just my 2c.. i have a product in development. I have a prototype that just uses some NPN's and such inside of a serial housing. It is almost not working because it requires very close timing on the serial bus. My competitor honeywell has put out a product for 250$ i had hoped to produce a product for sale @ a 100$ price and make a few $ |
| 22:47.02 | Dr{Who} | my product simulates an ademco alarm keypad to allow a pc / home automation to control as well as see what the panel zones are up to. |
| 22:47.24 | ds2 | nice |
| 22:48.31 | CosmicPenguin | what parts do you need for x10? |
| 22:48.35 | Dr{Who} | i have it working with linux serial as well as windows using perl so it would interface with MisterHouse but it has to watch the lines very closely to look for polling protocol used so a better solution is a microprocessor |
| 22:48.39 | CosmicPenguin | I tried to search for x10 on octopart.com, but I came up empty |
| 22:48.46 | CosmicPenguin | or at least, too many results |
| 22:48.47 | prpplague | me too |
| 22:49.27 | Dr{Who} | i plan on using xAP as i have already coded up a good set of libs and it is well supported on home automation. |
| 22:49.36 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: you could that with the hammer |
| 22:50.08 | Dr{Who} | yep im going to try with the hammer im just worried about a final product price |
| 22:50.14 | CosmicPenguin | you could always get the serial port device |
| 22:50.23 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: what kind of qty are you looking at? |
| 22:50.50 | Dr{Who} | cosmicpenguin. what x10 stuff you have laready? |
| 22:50.55 | CosmicPenguin | nothing |
| 22:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | not a damn thing |
| 22:51.08 | Dr{Who} | ok then dont go there. get insteon |
| 22:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | I can't even be sure my house is still standing |
| 22:51.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:51.25 | Dr{Who} | ??? ug? |
| 22:51.50 | CosmicPenguin | I was actually more interested in the low level system specifics |
| 22:52.14 | Dr{Who} | insteon is still new and code is still fresh but LinuxMCE has work going on as well as some very recent strong work on MisterHouse |
| 22:52.24 | CosmicPenguin | How would you attach a controller module to the hammer |
| 22:52.26 | CosmicPenguin | that would interest me |
| 22:52.35 | Dr{Who} | its a better protocol and system It has a faster baud rate like 9600? i think |
| 22:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | can you bit bang the serial over gpio pins? |
| 22:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: how many UARTS does the hammer have? |
| 22:52.44 | Dr{Who} | it also uses MAC addreses not fixed house codes |
| 22:52.55 | Dr{Who} | and it has and ACK so you know the message was delivered. |
| 22:53.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the hammer has two available, but the is no reason you couldn't use a number of usb->rs-232 adapters |
| 22:53.25 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but thats iffy |
| 22:53.36 | CosmicPenguin | way neater to have it soldered right on |
| 22:53.43 | Dr{Who} | you still have the same issues with signal on power in that if your outlet A is on your phase A power grid it wont talk to lightswitch A on phase B power. |
| 22:53.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how many do you need? |
| 22:53.58 | Dr{Who} | so you need a bridge in most cases. |
| 22:54.02 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin/prpplague: there is an X10 transceiver module that can work via the serial port but it would be easier if it was more integrated |
| 22:54.08 | CosmicPenguin | Can the second UART be attached to any two gpio pins, or is it static? |
| 22:54.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its on two specific pins |
| 22:54.42 | CosmicPenguin | are they available? :) |
| 22:54.45 | ds2 | TW523 I think is the seperate box that will do it |
| 22:55.06 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Hardware |
| 22:56.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, on the carrier board they are brought out , just not connected to a db-9 |
| 22:56.41 | Dr{Who} | i have an isteon PLM and a few KeyPadLinks yes TW523 i have a few of those provides power and you can send signals. |
| 22:58.39 | Dr{Who} | also you have to watch out for UPS's they tend to eat x10/insteon signals. |
| 22:59.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how many uarts to do you think you will need? |
| 23:00.04 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: cool thanks for the info |
| 23:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | for my other project just one, mabye |
| 23:00.19 | CosmicPenguin | but if you were to do home automation, you would need one for the TW523 or whatever ou would use |
| 23:00.30 | CosmicPenguin | that would be a fun hammer project |
| 23:00.47 | Dr{Who} | only problem with insteon so far is they dont have much stuff yet. no wireless motion. but they did just come out with the wall socket that i helped a friend put a few in. |
| 23:00.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, if i were gonna do that, i'd add a tusb2046b along with a couple ft2232 |
| 23:01.03 | CosmicPenguin | fun for the OLPC too - there's a spare UART available that nobody knows about |
| 23:01.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that way you'd have 4 uarts |
| 23:02.02 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but I hate usb |
| 23:02.16 | CosmicPenguin | we don't get along |
| 23:02.22 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
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| 23:03.25 | Dr{Who} | also insteon plm is x10 compatible. it can send both x10 and insteon. |
| 23:07.26 | ds2 | CosmicPenguin: guess that secret is out of the bag ;) |
| 23:07.37 | CosmicPenguin | hm? |
| 23:07.45 | ds2 | <CosmicPenguin> fun for the OLPC too - there's a spare UART available that |
| 23:07.45 | ds2 | +nobody knows about |
| 23:07.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 23:08.11 | ds2 | i find the colors on the OLPC irritating |
| 23:11.06 | CosmicPenguin | they don't like your shirt, either |
| 23:11.27 | ds2 | =) |
| 23:11.58 | ds2 | the guts and the locking antenna latch is very nice but the bright green... |
| 23:12.17 | CosmicPenguin | Thats 16 bits of alphablending compositing love comin at cha |
| 23:12.29 | CosmicPenguin | oh, you mean the mechanical colors |
| 23:12.40 | ds2 | yeah, the case color |
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