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14:21.16prpplagueho ho hum
14:21.22prpplaguesjhill: greetings
14:21.25prpplaguesjhill: hows biz?
14:27.17sjhillprpplague: totally great
14:27.24sjhillprpplague: and you?
14:28.03prpplaguenot so great, but oh well
14:28.10sjhill:(
14:28.22sjhillyou still have a job though, right?
14:28.28prpplaguesjhill: yea
14:28.39sjhillsee, so it could be worse
14:28.40prpplaguesjhill: office politics and management issues
14:28.45sjhillugh
14:29.20prpplaguesjhill: so might be looking for something new soon
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14:44.52chouimat|workmorning
14:45.37sjhillhey chouimat|work
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14:58.17chouimat|workhi sjhill prpplague
14:58.26prpplaguechouimat|work: greetings
14:58.38chouimat|workI ordered this little guy http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4102
14:59.44prpplaguechouimat|work: yea i've been hearing good things about that platform
14:59.55prpplaguechouimat|work: was about $90USD right?
15:00.31chouimat|workprpplague: less than 100$ (80 for the board + 19 for international shipping (fedex flat rate))
15:00.40prpplagueahh
15:00.55chouimat|workprpplague: mouser has it for 80.47 all the others are 89
15:00.56prpplague~lart chouimat|work  for not ordering a hammer kit
15:00.56purlnukes chouimat|work with a single large nuke for not ordering a hammer kit
15:02.18chouimat|workprpplague: maybe one day ... after I bought the dual quad core machine to replace 3 server/buildmachine I have home
15:02.29prpplaguehehe
15:10.18sjhilldid anyone do the market poll on linuxdevices for this year?
15:10.25sjhilland save the current graphs?
15:10.53sjhilli didn't realize that once you leave the site, that you cannot get the current results
15:11.07prpplagueno i've not done the poll yet
15:11.27sjhillprpplague: http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/survey/survey.cgi
15:11.37sjhillcould you do it and see if you can save/print the entire page?
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15:18.16sjhillCosmicPenguin!
15:18.25CosmicPenguinsjhill!
15:19.53prpplaguesjhill: yea, give me a 1/2 hour
15:23.02sjhillk
15:24.44CosmicPenguinhttp://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/238759130/kojinshas-new-e8-is-tablet-competitor-for-eee-pc
15:24.53CosmicPenguinI've played with that -seemed fun
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15:34.05prpplague$600 is too expensive imho
15:34.52CosmicPenguincorporate types will pay that
15:35.03CosmicPenguinI think, I dunno
15:44.15sunrunner20|zzzhot damn
15:44.17sunrunner20|zzzNICE
15:45.29sunrunner20i'd pay $600 for a UMPC
15:45.54sunrunner20wireless?
15:47.04CosmicPenguinI have no idea
15:47.23sunrunner20heh
15:47.32sunrunner20i might be able to get one of those $90 platforms for $0
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15:50.48sunrunner20chouimat|work: whats the sum of the machines the two way quad is replacing?
15:51.15chouimat|worksunrunner20: Athlon 1.2, P3/1000, P3/733
15:51.32chouimat|worksunrunner20: and a few P2 and P200MMX
15:52.27chouimat|worksunrunner20: will probably replace 6 or 8 servers/build/test machine
15:52.57chouimat|worksunrunner20: and reduce my electricity bill too
15:53.13sunrunner20unlikely if your getting a dual quad
15:53.21sunrunner20most of those are sub 20W
15:53.21CosmicPenguinheh - yeah
15:54.15chouimat|worksunrunner20: I'm thinking more of the 8 15" monitors + 300W cases
15:54.26sunrunner20heh
15:54.27sunrunner20yea
15:54.31sunrunner20that'll change some
15:54.42chouimat|worksunrunner20: less heat in the root too
15:54.51sunrunner20root?
15:55.02chouimat|workerr room
15:55.03CosmicPenguinroot uses at least 10 more watts then a normal user
15:55.05CosmicPenguinhaven't you heard? :)
15:55.10chouimat|workCosmicPenguin: hehe
15:55.58sunrunner20yea
15:56.04sunrunner20worst case: the P3 is 12W
15:57.38chouimat|worksunrunner20: I'm starting to get out of space in my home office so I guess it will be a good move anyway and it will be nice to have a new computer for my birthday ... well a few days after it anyway since it's today :)
15:59.11sunrunner20lol
15:59.23sunrunner20planning on any gaming?
16:00.22sunrunner20and what OS
16:02.24chouimat|worksunrunner20: gaming ... I have a PSP and a PS3 for this ...
16:02.31sunrunner20ok
16:02.33sunrunner20now what OS?
16:03.00sunrunner20*OS(s)
16:03.06chouimat|worksunrunner20: I will use the virtualisation stuff so I will probably use them all ...
16:03.21sunrunner20ok
16:03.23sunrunner20host OS
16:03.24chouimat|worklinux/*BSD/OpenSolaris etc etc
16:03.26chouimat|worklinux
16:03.39sunrunner20kk, so that means 4gb ram min
16:03.57chouimat|workI plan to have 8 or more
16:04.21chouimat|worksunrunner20: I can have a q6600/4GB/320GB for 885CAD
16:06.27sunrunner20any experiance with supermicro anybody?
16:07.43sunrunner20any overclocking etc?
16:11.23sunrunner20ecc or no?
16:21.43sunrunner20btw
16:22.00sunrunner20your psu is the second most expensive thing
16:22.07sunrunner20because I'm NOG going to let you skimp on that
16:22.09sunrunner20*NOT
16:22.36chouimat|worksunrunner20: I think a nice 1000W should do the trick
16:22.42sunrunner20yup
16:22.50sunrunner20PCP&C 1kw
16:22.56sunrunner20top of the line
16:23.01chouimat|workand I a nice 64" high case :)
16:23.06chouimat|works/I//
16:23.08sunrunner20you have one?
16:23.37chouimat|worksunrunner20: no ... I have a nice 33" one with wheels ... it host a P3/667 that still work 100%
16:23.43sunrunner20lol
16:23.53sunrunner20lol 64" high case
16:23.55sunrunner20rotflmao
16:23.59sunrunner20thats a fucking rack
16:24.10chouimat|worksunrunner20: and I won't replace this one (the P3/667)
16:24.20sunrunner20what about storage?
16:24.32chouimat|worka few TB should be enough
16:24.43sunrunner20well whats your main usage?
16:24.44sunrunner20compiling?
16:25.09chouimat|workmostly ...
16:25.52sunrunner20kk
16:25.56sunrunner20a raptor then
16:26.24sunrunner20and two 7200.11s
16:27.12sunrunner20lol
16:27.28sunrunner20you need a cd drive or you have a fav already
16:28.03chouimat|worksunrunner20: I have a few old CD and DVD drive ... but since I'm building a new box I will build a new box
16:28.11sunrunner20kk :)
16:28.44chouimat|worksunrunner20: I kind of like the hp workstation I got last week here ... it's nice (not enough ram but nice)
16:28.53sunrunner20o.0
16:29.07sunrunner20this is funnny
16:29.10sunrunner20cheapest thing is the cd drive
16:29.11sunrunner20$40
16:29.15sunrunner20it KICKS ASS
16:30.06chouimat|worksunrunner20: I might go for a blue-ray writer ;)
16:30.16sunrunner20dude
16:30.19sunrunner20those are half a grand
16:30.29sunrunner20fuck that
16:30.37sunrunner20a tape drive would be cheaper >_<
16:30.41CosmicPenguinwhatch the language, please
16:30.45sunrunner20sorry
16:30.52CosmicPenguinno problem
16:32.44sunrunner20http://siforge.com/files/overkill.pdf
16:33.01sunrunner20a case is too subjective for somebody else to pick out
16:36.07chouimat|worksunrunner20: wow ..
16:36.07sunrunner20http://gizmodo.com/344401/blood+pen-brings-new-terror-to-the-phrase-write-this-out-1000-times
16:36.12sunrunner20err
16:36.13sunrunner20wrong wrom
16:36.38sunrunner20chouimat|work: kicks ass but heavy on pocket book
16:36.54chouimat|worksunrunner20: yup ... how much memory in it?
16:36.59sunrunner208gig
16:37.27sunrunner202TB
16:37.38sunrunner20+ 160 gig 10k rpm raptor
16:37.54sunrunner20storage/main respectivly
16:38.44chouimat|workthanks I will keep the pdf as a reference for when I will order the killerboxTM
16:40.30sunrunner20check the one thats on the motherboard
16:40.44sunrunner20which is why I did not put a nvidia 6200 on the list
16:42.32sunrunner20btw you can drop the raptor if you want
16:42.37sunrunner20but I would not
16:42.44sunrunner20my hdd is the limiting factor on my quad system
16:43.00chouimat|work:)
16:44.01sunrunner20i would go to a single proc before changing the hdd configurationg
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16:45.19chouimat|worksunrunner20: cool up to 64GB
16:45.31sunrunner20?
16:45.35sunrunner20oh
16:45.36sunrunner20yea
16:45.45sunrunner20its got a bagillion slots
16:46.15chouimat|worksunrunner20: and for 438CAD (the motherboard only) it's not that expensive
16:46.35sunrunner20yea, you save $40 buying the cpu w/ it
16:46.36sunrunner20combo deal
16:46.50sunrunner20just habbed to be the same cpu i was recomending
16:46.57sunrunner202.33 gig 80W quad
16:47.04sunrunner2012meg L2
16:50.57chouimat|worksunrunner20: I will look if I can have it at the local computer store here ... the nice thing is I will probably just order 1 CPU and get the second one later ...
16:51.35sunrunner20kk, genrally i find newegg to be cheaper than local, even after shipping
16:51.39sunrunner20just fyi
16:52.02chouimat|worksunrunner20: the thing is I'm in Canada :)
16:52.18sunrunner20how far into it :)
16:52.28chouimat|workottawa
16:52.51ChocoboCan you guys recommend an ARM development board to play around with and put linux on, stuff like that?
16:53.17chouimat|workprpplague: start your sell talk ;)
16:54.33prpplagueChocobo: *cough* you might try the hammer, its easy and fun! http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board
16:54.47prpplagueChocobo: can be purchased from http://www.tincantools.com
16:55.49Chocobothanks :)
16:57.15chouimat|worksunrunner20: I'm not sure about the onboard graphic card ... just in case I decide to play a few games :)
16:57.28sunrunner20what games?
16:57.46sunrunner208800GT will handle anything current
16:57.51prpplagueChocobo: anything in particular you looking to do?
16:59.00ChocoboNot really.  Just gain experience with ARM, JTAG, embedded linux.   Resume stuff you know?
16:59.13prpplagueahh
16:59.24prpplagueChocobo: well the s3c2410 is a great arm9 to work with
16:59.26ChocoboMaybe use it to make a flight recorder for my RC plane.
17:00.09prpplagueahh
17:00.43prpplagueChocobo: the entire eval kit is $239
17:01.00prpplagueChocobo: include usb jtag, all the cables, the cpu board, and a carrier board
17:01.18sunrunner20Chocobo: or a black box :P
17:01.44Chocobosunrunner20, with my flight skills that is much more likely :)
17:02.12Chocoboprpplague, it certainly looks like a nice kit.  I will be considering that for sure.
17:02.58prpplaguehehe thanks
17:03.29chouimat|worksunrunner20: audio would had be nice too =)
17:03.35sunrunner20ohh
17:03.37sunrunner20forgot about that
17:03.52sunrunner20anything will work though :P
17:03.57chouimat|workhehe
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18:12.19CosmicPenguinexcuse me?
18:12.47agaffneyit's easier to kick/ban him than to ask :P
18:12.53fishheadnot you
18:12.59fishheadthe satalite
18:13.07fishheadwith 1000 lbs of hydrozine
18:13.18fishheadyou are cool :)
18:13.27sunrunner20?
18:13.45fishheadthe military nailed it with a missel
18:13.50fishheadas it feel
18:13.53fishheadfell
18:14.53sunrunner20whats hydrozine
18:15.26fishheadrocketfuel but it will literally eat all the flesh off you down to bones
18:15.51CosmicPenguinWe know what you are talking about - but its off topic and its really not that interesting
18:16.00fishheadhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhdHkoal31o#
18:16.04CosmicPenguinI'm sure there are other chat rooms that would be more exited about it then us
18:16.22fishheadok :)
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19:25.08prpplaguehmm, how about a s3c6400 based hammer module
19:25.16prpplaguethat would be overkill i think
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20:34.15MirellWee, company laptop.
20:43.01prpplaguewee, company laptop + internet == pr0n
20:43.38chouimat|workpr0n where?
20:44.10Mirellprpplague: Sprint AirCard.
20:48.14prpplaguehehe
20:48.41chouimat|workyay my ngw100 will be here tomorrow ...
20:48.44Mirellprpplague: They gave me http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d630?c=us&l=en&s=biz&cs=555 Not horrible for a free company laptop
20:49.03prpplaguehehe
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21:30.41Chocoboprpplague, I talked my adviser into getting that board you recommend :)
21:31.37prpplagueChocobo: hehe
21:31.43prpplagueChocobo: was it hard?
21:32.11ChocoboNope.
21:32.15Chocobo:)
21:33.37prpplaguehehe
21:33.57prpplagueChocobo: good deal
21:34.35prpplagueChocobo: you can ask questions about the hammer here or on the tincantools forum
21:35.44ChocoboIs it your design?
21:36.23prpplaguehehe, indeed it is
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21:43.53ChocoboWoa!  Cool
21:43.53Chocobo:)
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21:45.20ChocoboMy friend and I may have some questions eventually.  Who knows, if the department likes these things there may be a bigger order someday.
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21:49.29prpplagueChocobo: just let us know
21:49.35Chocobosweet
21:49.52prpplagueChocobo: we have new development carrier board in beta now http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board
21:50.16ce_geekprpplague: Thanks a pile for your help.  I'm the othe guy working with Chocobo.
21:50.37ChocoboWoa, that carrier board KICKS ass.
21:50.49RobotGuyprpplague: I can not find my Hammer CD. :( Is there a place I can d/l a new ISO?
21:50.50prpplaguece_geek: hehe, well its not entirely out of kindness, hehe
21:51.40prpplagueRobotGuy: http://www.tincantools.com/prpplague/hammer-kit.iso
21:52.01RobotGuyThanks!
21:52.09prpplaguece_geek: what kind of project are you looking at?
21:52.50RobotGuyI want to go back to a stock kernel, with just the standard + udc patches.
21:53.18ce_geekprpplague:  Well, that's somewhat undefined.  Basically I'm taking a class in advanced microcontrollers and I have to do some sort of project for it.  I can pretty much do what I want, and my advisor is interested in new stuff.  I suggested ARM, so we're looking at development platforms.
21:54.05RobotGuyWhere else can you find a complete Linux system in a 40 pin DIP?  It's HAMMER. :D
21:54.13ce_geekprpplague:  Having Linux running on a small device like that would be perfect.
21:54.21prpplaguece_geek / Chocobo well the hammer is perfect for learning, it has .1" headers and has plenty of proto area on the carrier
21:54.38ds20.1 is good and bad
21:54.39ds2:)
21:54.44ce_geekprpplague:  Relatively doable to get a web server running on it?
21:54.45prpplaguece_geek: hehe, it ships with a 2.6 kernel
21:55.00prpplaguece_geek: just a matter of selecting the option in the build config
21:55.26ce_geekprpplague: Yeah, that was encouraging.  The other board I was looking at had some neat peripherals, but horribly undocumented and I don't quite know enough about it to know if it's possible to get Linux running.
21:55.36RobotGuyYes, the prototype area is very generous.  I can fit a bluetooth DIL module, FOUR 28 pin dsPICs, plus a battery power supply and other connectors on it.
21:55.38ce_geekprpplague:  Slick.
21:56.35ce_geekprpplague:  So the ethernet module talks to the ARM over SPI?
21:57.01prpplaguece_geek: yea, you can add a enc28j60 module to do 10baseT via spi
21:58.04ce_geekprpplague:  Might have to spend the $35 at sparkfun and get that too.
21:58.49prpplaguece_geek: we are in the process of doing our own enc28j60 module, but its not ready yet
22:00.00RobotGuyYou can also get a DM9000E module from Sparkfun.  There is already a driver for it in the kernel.
22:00.38ce_geekAny advantage with the DM9000E ?
22:00.48prpplagueRobotGuy: the hammer does not include a databus interface
22:01.06prpplaguece_geek: it would take alot of work to get the dm9000e working on the hammer
22:01.11ce_geekahh ok
22:01.13prpplaguece_geek: enc28j60 is easiest
22:01.27RobotGuyprpplague: Bummer.  I was going to get one of the SparkFun DM900E modules.
22:01.32prpplaguece_geek: how many folks in the class?
22:01.45prpplagueRobotGuy: why?
22:01.57prpplagueRobotGuy: the enc28j60 works plenty well
22:01.59RobotGuyprpplague: The DM900E is 10/100 MBit
22:02.03ds2or just use a USB ethernet module
22:02.08RobotGuyDM900E that is
22:02.18prpplagueRobotGuy: and you really need 100MBit why?
22:02.32RobotGuyds2: My USB connections are being taken up pretty fast already.
22:02.41ds2RobotGuy: add a hub =)
22:03.04RobotGuyprpplague: No, I probably don't really need it.  It's something more to tinker with. :)
22:03.28RobotGuyds2: I already have a four port USB Hub connected to my Hammer Carrier board.
22:03.38ds2RobotGuy: chain them
22:04.41RobotGuyds2: prpplague told me both USB connectors can be run as hosts, so we can essentially have 8 USB connections if I understood him correctly.
22:05.44ds2RobotGuy: I think your bottle neck is really the bandwidth available as that is still a FS device
22:05.55prpplagueRobotGuy: that is correct
22:06.46prpplaguece_geek: well let me know if you have any questions and such
22:07.00prpplaguece_geek: feel free to join the wiki and post your project details there
22:07.15RobotGuyWell, I already have two USB connections spoken for, assuming I can get the driver for my RaLink USB WiFi adapter into the kernel and make it work.  Another connection will be my 2 GB Thumb Drive.
22:07.52ds2RobotGuy: you might have performance issues there
22:08.01ds2the RaLink and thumb drive really want to be HS
22:08.06RobotGuyds2: As in?
22:08.47RobotGuyHigh Speed?
22:08.50ds2RobotGuy: as in accessing the thumb drive and using the network may be very slow
22:08.57ds2yeah, the 480Mb mode of USB2
22:09.05prpplagueRobotGuy: for the type of stuff you are doing it will be fine
22:09.11RobotGuyds2: I don't think Hammer does USB 2.0.
22:09.24prpplagueds2: not really, both work fine with full speed
22:09.31RobotGuyI don't think I am going to be accessing WiFi and Thumb Drive at the same time.
22:09.53ds2prpplague: work as in you can connect or work as in you can happily scp a file off the thumb drive over WiFi?
22:10.12prpplagueds2: we have several products using the usb wifi and thumb drives with no problems
22:10.17prpplagueds2: yea
22:10.28RobotGuyThumb Drive is only going to be for loading software mostly.
22:10.59ce_geekprpplague:  Will do, thanks.
22:11.06RobotGuyprpplague: I am happy to hear this.  Hopefully Hammer will do as good, when I finally get everything working.
22:11.12ds2Hmmmm thumbdrives in my experience don't do well in 12M mode
22:11.30prpplagueds2: hehe, must be just your experience
22:11.31ce_geekprpplague:  It's a small graduate class, but the idea is to come up with some new stuff to talk about in one of the higher level undergraduate classes.
22:11.46ds2prpplague: I might be expecting more ;)
22:11.56prpplagueds2: indeed
22:12.04RobotGuyds2: Well, I will see how everything works when I get to that point.  I've already had my Thumb Drive working at what appears to be full speed.
22:12.05prpplaguece_geek: ahh
22:12.34prpplaguece_geek: well, the hammer carrier board is basically a complete learning platform
22:13.11prpplaguece_geek: topics such as jtag, LED operations, PWM control, push button events, usb host and slave interfaces
22:13.26RobotGuyprpplague: It's very cool too! I will be able to do everything I need to do with the carrier board for testing my robot stuff. :) Until the Hammer Bot Board arrives, of course. :D
22:14.21RobotGuyI can even add a 28 pin DIP under my Bluetooth DIL module. :D
22:14.43ce_geekprpplague:  All good stuff.  Jtag and USB host stuff is particularly nice because the undergrads don't do much with that.  Starting to see some USB stuff with the PIC.
22:15.16ce_geekprpplague:  The undergrad classes do a lot with PIC and HC11.
22:15.27ds2not to rob prpplague of a sale... but there are cheaper boards with an ARM for basic experimentation
22:15.31ds2no Linux though
22:16.15RobotGuyds2: Remember, my Hammer is going to be controlling a robot, so it will not be accessing the Thumb Drive much after the software is loaded and running.  It will be mostly WiFi access from that point on.
22:16.25prpplaguece_geek: indeed, both PIC and HC11 are good references, but to be honest they are becoming very hard to find in the actual commercial development market
22:16.48ChocoboI like the AVR too.
22:16.53prpplaguece_geek: PIC has all but been replaced with either AVR or small arm devices such as the LPC and SAM series
22:17.26prpplagueds2: cheaper doesn't always equate to better learning environments
22:17.26RobotGuyprpplague: I am actually considering switching from PIC to AVR also now.
22:17.40ds2RobotGuy: oh I see. somehow I thought you were logging data onto the local storage
22:17.43ce_geekprpplague:  I was about 15 minutes away from ordering the SAM7-EX256 when chocobo showed me the hammer.
22:17.56prpplaguece_geek: hehe
22:18.07ce_geekprpplague:  More documentation would be nice.
22:18.11ds2prpplague: I agree. but the ones I am thinking of are MMU less baremetal learning
22:18.18ds2Linux adds a lot of complexity
22:18.20ce_geekprpplague: for the olimex that is.
22:18.23RobotGuyds2: No, most of the time while the robot is running, it will not be using the Thumb Drive, but will be using WiFi more.
22:18.31prpplagueds2: uh what?
22:18.37prpplagueds2: linux adds complexity?
22:19.18ds2prpplague: for basic microcontroller learning, Linux hides a lot of details
22:20.00ce_geekHmmn, how ridiculous would it be to program the hammer in assembly?
22:20.03ds2for most people, interfacing a device under linux means all they will be doing is making calls into other parts of the kernel to request resources
22:20.18prpplagueds2: i can see how you can say that on a pc/desktop, but not for an embedded system
22:20.25ds2whereas with bare metal, there are other considerations like how to setup the interrupt controller, acking the interrupt, etc
22:20.27ce_geekWe do a lot of PIC / HC11 assembly in our classes here.
22:20.31prpplaguece_geek: not a problem
22:20.44prpplaguece_geek: gcc handles doing assembly
22:20.55prpplaguece_geek: as well as standalone executable c code
22:20.59prpplaguece_geek: i.e. no os
22:21.06prpplaguece_geek: which the bootloader is
22:21.23ds2prpplague: how many people that do not do board porting deal with actually talking to the interrupt controller?
22:21.37ce_geekprpplague:  Super cool.
22:21.46RobotGuyI will be interfacing dsPICs to Hammer via I2C.  I am using dsPICs because I already know them pretty well and can get samples easily. :D
22:22.25ce_geekI will admit, PICs are sweet for us poor college students.  Free chips, and a programmer right from Microchip for $35 is kinda nice.
22:22.35ds2$35?!
22:22.42ds2you are rich students
22:23.03ds2I built my programmer from a 9V battery snap, 78L05 + a DB9
22:24.40RobotGuyI use an Olimex ICD2 for my PIC/dsPIC work.
22:26.35ce_geekYeah well to do my capstone I didn't want to mess around and bought the Picstart+ for $150.  Ouch.
22:27.03RobotGuyI paid $106 for my ICD2. :)
22:39.36ce_geekPicstart worked in linux, I wasn't sure about the ICD2.
22:41.19RobotGuyce_geek: I don't know if my ICD2 will work under Linux.  I have not tried it.
22:41.51RobotGuyI do all my PIC/dsPIC stuff using MPLAB and C18/C30.
22:42.26RobotGuyprpplague: There are two linux kernel archives on this CD image.. Does the larger archive already have all patches?
22:42.53prpplagueRobotGuy: one is virigin the other is patched
22:43.06RobotGuyThe -hammer one is patched, right?
22:43.55prpplaguecorrect
22:44.31RobotGuyOK, thanks, I'll go with the pre-patched one then.  UDC patch also?
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