| 01:41.23 | Mirell | Hmm...just need to get a company Blackberry now |
| 01:41.38 | RobotGuy | Mirell: Hi |
| 01:59.15 | Mirell | RobotGuy: 'allo |
| 02:06.31 | Mirell | RobotGuy: What's up? |
| 02:08.02 | RobotGuy | I am just tinkering with Hammer. |
| 02:08.43 | RobotGuy | I went back and started out from a stock setup. I was having too many problems. |
| 02:11.15 | Mirell | Ahhh... |
| 02:11.38 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh, cool. |
| 02:18.42 | Mirell | Also got a company laptop today. |
| 02:18.52 | Mirell | Actually not a bad little machine. |
| 02:18.55 | RobotGuy | Lucky |
| 02:20.34 | Mirell | Just need to get my Blackberry, then I'll have dual redundancy. |
| 02:20.40 | Mirell | Two laptops, and two smartphones. |
| 02:20.43 | Mirell | </insanity> |
| 02:22.23 | RobotGuy | I'd be happy to take one of each off your hands. ;D |
| 02:23.32 | RobotGuy | I want to get a new phone, but can't afford it. I have had a Nokia 6600 for almost 4 years now. |
| 02:30.27 | Mirell | Ahh... |
| 02:30.56 | Mirell | RobotGuy: It just means work can call me day or night, and know I have means to work on a problem |
| 02:31.18 | Mirell | Since they'll give me a laptop, Sprint wireless card, and a Blackberry |
| 02:31.23 | Mirell | No excuses! |
| 02:31.57 | RobotGuy | Mirell: Yep, you will have no excuses, but both units DO have power switches.. |
| 02:32.31 | RobotGuy | You can keep Sprint. I have AT&T. |
| 02:32.47 | Mirell | Hehe |
| 02:32.58 | Mirell | Yah, I have AT&T for my personal cell. |
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| 02:44.37 | RobotGuy | I really like the AT&T Tilt, but you have to have a $39.95/month data plan to have it. |
| 02:44.51 | RobotGuy | GPS service is another $10.00/month |
| 02:48.38 | Mirell | Ouch. |
| 02:49.35 | RobotGuy | I have my Hammer back up and running with my Thumb Drive now. :D |
| 02:50.33 | RobotGuy | So, you know where AT&T makes their money - the data plans. |
| 02:53.16 | RobotGuy | I just want a good phone that is fast and has a big screen. GPS would be nice too. |
| 02:53.25 | RobotGuy | I get lost easily. |
| 02:59.19 | Mirell | RobotGuy: Hehe |
| 02:59.36 | Mirell | RobotGuy: iPhone now at least does cell phone tower triangulization. |
| 03:00.02 | RobotGuy | Mirell: There is a 16 GB iPhone now too. |
| 03:03.31 | Mirell | RobotGuy: Yah, it's not enough to really interest me. |
| 03:10.49 | flyback- | http://www.last.fm/music/Sascha+Von+Dages/_/Mondflug <--- this song is cool, somewhat sad but cool |
| 03:28.51 | RobotGuy | I'm not interested in the iPhone either, but the Pantech Duo looks nice. |
| 03:30.04 | RobotGuy | I'm not getting sound from that site. |
| 03:35.03 | Dr{Who} | Q. i had a scare a long while back when my kid lost her cell phone. I called the cell phone company and said hay where is her phone.. I had thought they could "ping" it and triangulate.. they refused.. No benifite to them as they get to sell another phone. So is this something that can be "hacked"? by uploading and applet? |
| 03:35.48 | RobotGuy | I'm not sure if GPS would have helped in that instance either. |
| 03:36.40 | Dr{Who} | ya i dont think they will give that info out either. some phones / services allow you to see where the phone is via another phone or web. |
| 03:37.27 | RobotGuy | There would have to be proof it was your phone probably. |
| 03:37.45 | RobotGuy | Otherwise you could sort of stalk somebody who had a cell phone. |
| 03:37.57 | Dr{Who} | ya |
| 03:38.33 | RobotGuy | A capability like that would be real easy to abuse, |
| 03:39.50 | Dr{Who} | here again technology has pro's and con's i had a neighbor complain @ our hoa meeting that they thought my Davis Weather station was a remote controlled dome camera and i was able to see into everyone's windows. I do have several cameras on my house none controllable but its just presumed you are being watched in europe now so same should go here. |
| 03:40.47 | RobotGuy | Yeah, kind of stupid. Just because somebody can see a camera, they automatically assume it can be used to see them also. |
| 03:40.48 | Dr{Who} | if you have a phone and it can be triangulated then you have to presume someone can and does watch. |
| 03:41.14 | RobotGuy | Only if the phone is ON, one would hope. |
| 03:41.19 | Dr{Who} | heh ya |
| 03:41.36 | RobotGuy | Remove the battery and it is OFF for sure, |
| 03:42.31 | Dr{Who} | last year in oregon we had a few hikers die on mt hood. they were able to ping the phone even when it was not on a call and see where it was i found that interesting. |
| 03:43.09 | RobotGuy | Supposedly, we have protections against that sort of thing in the USA. However, that is only if the laws are properly enforced against EVERYONE. |
| 03:43.28 | RobotGuy | I live in Beaverton. |
| 03:43.45 | Dr{Who} | ya. I dont mind broadcasting. I helped a friend build an aprs radio connected to a gps to track where he was all the time. |
| 03:43.52 | Dr{Who} | Cool. hi neighbor.. tigard calling here. |
| 03:44.01 | RobotGuy | Howdy! |
| 03:44.25 | Dr{Who} | we are having a tech dump on sat / sun if you want to say hi.. lots of junk.. err good stuff going : c ) |
| 03:44.39 | RobotGuy | Where? |
| 03:44.43 | Dr{Who} | just put the add on craigs list today |
| 03:45.03 | RobotGuy | Is it close to bus line? |
| 03:45.08 | Dr{Who} | i miss the tech swap we had back in the day .... |
| 03:45.18 | Dr{Who} | ya 78 is 1 street over |
| 03:45.30 | RobotGuy | Aahh, I know the #78 pretty well. |
| 03:45.41 | Dr{Who} | ya just down the hill from pcc sylvania. |
| 03:45.42 | RobotGuy | I ride it to go to Norvac |
| 03:46.08 | Dr{Who} | : c ) those guys are funny.. and mostly not sober.. : c ) |
| 03:46.25 | RobotGuy | I've had one beer tonight. |
| 03:46.46 | Dr{Who} | ya but at work like they do hehe thats a good job. |
| 03:47.11 | RobotGuy | I just go there to hit on Summer once a week. :D |
| 03:47.31 | RobotGuy | She's funny. |
| 03:47.33 | flyback- | btw Dr{Who} |
| 03:47.40 | flyback- | turns out that F series part might not work |
| 03:47.42 | Dr{Who} | hay flyback.. wzup. |
| 03:47.46 | flyback- | but I found some subsitution :) |
| 03:47.50 | flyback- | 74AC373 |
| 03:47.57 | Dr{Who} | ahh why didnt it? |
| 03:48.05 | Dr{Who} | it seemed perfect. |
| 03:48.12 | flyback- | people said it might not signal at 3.3 properly |
| 03:48.23 | Dr{Who} | hmm not from the specs i read.. |
| 03:48.33 | flyback- | this is better anyways |
| 03:48.39 | Dr{Who} | ya let me look |
| 03:48.40 | flyback- | means I can do down to +2.5 jtag |
| 03:48.41 | Dr{Who} | brb |
| 03:49.05 | RobotGuy | I have 22 MB RAM free on my Hammer. :D |
| 03:50.24 | Dr{Who} | put more stuff in that baby.. : c ) |
| 03:51.05 | RobotGuy | I want as much free RAM as possible, and already have the drivers I need in the kernel - all modules. |
| 03:51.29 | Dr{Who} | im looking forward to see how many tools i can stuff into it. |
| 03:51.39 | Dr{Who} | microperl would be fun |
| 03:51.44 | RobotGuy | I have the I2C stuff, RTC stuff, and USB storage and gadget stuff. |
| 03:51.53 | RobotGuy | I have a 2 GB Thumb Drive. :D |
| 03:52.03 | Dr{Who} | you using buildroot? |
| 03:52.06 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 03:52.10 | Dr{Who} | cool. |
| 03:52.27 | Dr{Who} | flyback: what was that other part # |
| 03:52.32 | RobotGuy | I have two scripts that handle all my building for me. |
| 03:53.09 | Dr{Who} | do you build an initramfs? and then put that onto a flash drive? |
| 03:53.18 | Dr{Who} | where is your kernel.bzi and init go? |
| 03:54.02 | RobotGuy | I just use the flash script with openocd to flash hammer with my kernel and initrd |
| 03:54.20 | RobotGuy | zImage is my kernel |
| 03:54.27 | Dr{Who} | ok so some utility places it onto the flash on the device |
| 03:54.36 | RobotGuy | Yes, openocd does that. |
| 03:54.37 | Dr{Who} | it must have some custom boot loader. |
| 03:54.44 | RobotGuy | APEX is the boot loader |
| 03:55.06 | RobotGuy | That gets loaded onto Hammer first, then kernel, then initrd |
| 03:55.10 | Dr{Who} | can you stuff regular files on too? |
| 03:55.18 | flyback- | 74F244 |
| 03:55.23 | flyback- | the circuit called for a HC part |
| 03:55.38 | RobotGuy | Prpbably, but you want your initrd as small as possible. |
| 03:56.07 | RobotGuy | I will be putting a bunch of software, including a native toolchain, on the thumb drive. |
| 03:56.28 | Dr{Who} | i designed my own distrobution years ago and it uses a package based storage for configurations etc. |
| 03:56.48 | Dr{Who} | so it can run diskless but needs flash to store packages so after reboot it comes back to the last state. |
| 03:57.23 | Dr{Who} | for example all of etc is stored in etc.ufo a compressed tar archive |
| 03:57.25 | RobotGuy | There is about 13 MB of Flash space still available on Hammer that I am not using. |
| 03:58.05 | Dr{Who} | flyback.. i kinda disagree with that being a better part. |
| 03:58.16 | Dr{Who} | it has a variant hi level depending on the vcc given to it |
| 03:58.32 | Dr{Who} | where as teh 74f244 is fixed @ 2v |
| 03:59.20 | Dr{Who} | look at Vih on the C373 |
| 03:59.37 | Dr{Who} | @ 5.5v vcc it is 3.85v |
| 04:00.19 | Dr{Who} | ok my kid is calling have to go to pcc and get her.. ill be back later from home unless i get tied up doing work : c ) |
| 04:03.11 | flyback- | well the cmos part will drive at the voltage it's powered on |
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| 04:30.10 | chouimat|work | hey flyback- |
| 04:31.05 | chouimat|work | hey RobotGuy |
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| 04:31.40 | flyback- | hi |
| 04:31.46 | flyback- | hey canuckie :) |
| 04:31.53 | flyback- | been a while :) |
| 04:31.56 | flyback- | how you been |
| 04:31.59 | RobotGuy | Hi chouimat|work |
| 04:32.25 | chouimat|work | flyback- good ... it's my birthday today |
| 04:33.12 | flyback- | happy bday |
| 04:33.12 | flyback- | how old |
| 04:34.14 | chouimat|work | 34 |
| 04:34.50 | flyback- | hey it's my bday next month |
| 04:34.52 | flyback- | 34 :) |
| 04:35.07 | chouimat|work | flyback- nice |
| 04:35.12 | chouimat|work | haha |
| 04:35.15 | flyback- | we are old :P |
| 04:35.30 | chouimat|work | flyback the plague tm is older |
| 04:35.46 | flyback- | plague? |
| 04:35.58 | chouimat|work | yah |
| 04:38.19 | flyback- | feel free to idle here bud :) |
| 04:39.32 | chouimat|work | I have to sleep ... got to much beer tonigh |
| 04:41.11 | flyback- | don't drive |
| 04:41.13 | flyback- | get some sleep :) |
| 04:46.13 | chouimat|work | I'm home |
| 04:47.36 | ds2 | hmmm |
| 04:51.21 | chouimat|work | anf gpoing to zzzzz |
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| 05:33.07 | Mirell | Mmm. |
| 06:10.38 | RobotGuy | I am still here, building software for Hammer. |
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| 06:35.08 | flyback | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLfUldGgQeo&feature=related# <-- shame this series has a wtf ending |
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| 14:21.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 14:21.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: g'day |
| 14:21.30 | RobotGuy | Good Morning! |
| 14:21.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have had some major success! |
| 14:21.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 14:21.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 14:23.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I started back with everything stock - kernel and buildroot. Then built on that and have a working initrd (no length error) with all the drivers I need except wireless in the kernel. |
| 14:23.40 | prpplague | good deal |
| 14:24.08 | RobotGuy | This was done with a no C++ toolchain. |
| 14:24.29 | RobotGuy | I am trying it with a C++ toolchain now. |
| 14:26.50 | RobotGuy | I found that I have to force creation of $HAMMER_PROJ_ROOT/usr/lib or several builds will break. |
| 14:27.12 | RobotGuy | libaio is one of the ones that breaks. |
| 14:29.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have a question about creation of initrd though. |
| 14:29.52 | prpplague | ok |
| 14:30.38 | RobotGuy | When I create a build for software that is going on Hammer, I put the stuff in /usr stuff on my Thumb Drive. I would like to put everything else EXCEPT /usr into my initrd. I'll mount my Thumb Drive at /usr. |
| 14:30.58 | RobotGuy | Is this doable? |
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| 14:36.46 | RobotGuy | The other option I can see is to do the same thing with /lib I am doing with /etc now - copying it to /usr/share/configs and then copying it back to / at bootup after the Thumb Drive is mounted. |
| 14:43.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea just do two different projects |
| 14:44.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: one for the initrd and then another for the /usr section |
| 14:46.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That won't work. There is stuff that goes into /lib when various packages are built. Otherwise I have to very carefully go through the packages I want to build and try to force everything to go into /usr. |
| 14:46.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd have to look at what you want to do, but i did it as a test for you several weeks back, it worked fine for me |
| 14:47.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't think you are fully understanding what I want to do. |
| 14:47.57 | prpplague | probably not |
| 14:49.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There is software I want to build for Hammer that also puts stuff in /lib as well as /usr. Therefore, I need to preserve what is put in /lib even though I will put all of /usr on my Thumb Drive. |
| 14:49.25 | RobotGuy | (or /bin in some cases) |
| 14:49.42 | prpplague | again, do two seperate projects |
| 14:49.46 | prpplague | then combine |
| 14:50.23 | RobotGuy | The only way I see to combine things is to do what I already do with /etc. |
| 14:52.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not looking very hard |
| 14:52.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't think of any other way to combine things. |
| 14:53.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do one project with everything you want in the basic initrd |
| 14:53.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then do another project with everything you need including whats going to be in /usr |
| 14:54.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do a file comparision and then you can start there |
| 14:55.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am not sure I know how to do that comparison and what I should do with the data gained from it. |
| 14:56.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: diff |
| 14:56.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you mount both initrd and then use to diff to create a list of the different files |
| 14:57.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: once you have a list of whats different you can start deciding how to modify the build |
| 14:57.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I am beginning to understand. Use the loop device(s) to mount the images, right? |
| 14:57.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct |
| 14:57.47 | prpplague | mount one on something like /mnt/loop1 and then the other on /mnt/loop2 |
| 14:58.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. I am starting to see what you are talking about now. |
| 15:02.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: btw, there is some debate but most people agree that the distribution of those gspi marvell drivers are in violation of gpl |
| 15:03.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: indeed, embedded inside is "license: GPL" so whoever put that in is in violation of either their NDA with Marvell or the GPL or both. |
| 15:03.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, |
| 15:04.32 | RobotGuy | Somebody could be in big trouble if they violated an NDA with Marvell. |
| 15:05.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that would be true, however marvell distributes that GPL code under NDA and then know its not compliant |
| 15:05.29 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm sure whoever put the license: GPL code in did it to shut the 2.6 kernel's tainted message. |
| 15:05.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, about 1/2 the code is listed under GPL |
| 15:05.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: the other half is not |
| 15:06.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Does that affect the Marvell driver(s) in the kernel? |
| 15:07.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm sorry, i did not understand your question |
| 15:07.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: has anyone asked for source on those drivers yet? |
| 15:08.00 | RobotGuy | Does this NDA/GPL stuff affect the drivers that are in the kernel now for Marvell stuff? |
| 15:08.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you'll have to be more specific about Marvell stuff |
| 15:08.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The current Marvell drivers in the kernel. |
| 15:09.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: again which marvell drivers are you refering to? pxa25x pxa27x libertas, i/o expanders, bluetooth, sdio? |
| 15:10.38 | RobotGuy | Never mind, I guess it doesn't really matter to me. |
| 15:10.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you asking if the libertas drivers in the current kernel tree are gpl compliant? |
| 15:11.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am asking about the current kernel drivers for Marvell products. |
| 15:12.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: marvell does a whole range of products, and all of the ones that are included in the main kernel tree are gpl compliant, however the kernel drivers the marvell provides to its customers is not |
| 15:13.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the zipitv2 is not using the gpl compliant libertas driver |
| 15:13.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it is using the driver provided by marvell |
| 15:13.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is not compliant |
| 15:14.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, thanks. I was just concerned about the kernel drivers. |
| 15:14.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if it is in the main tree of the linux kernel , there is no problem |
| 15:14.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, that's very good. :D |
| 15:14.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you really should be more specific about how you phrase the question |
| 15:15.40 | RobotGuy | I did ask specifically about the kernel drivers for Marvell stuff. ;) |
| 15:17.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well, 1) kernel drivers that marvell provides? or thirdparties? or in the main tree? 2) which marvell stuff? pxa25x ? pxa27x ? libertas? i/o expanders? bluetooth? |
| 15:17.47 | RobotGuy | I'll just stick to asking about hammer related stuff from now on. That's all I really care about right now. |
| 15:18.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 15:18.51 | RobotGuy | I just created a toolchain with both C++ options enabled. |
| 15:18.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: most hardware vendors provide their OEM customers with custom drivers |
| 15:19.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: most aren't gpl compliant |
| 15:19.30 | RobotGuy | I also created an initrd using that toolchain that I am flashing into Hammer now. |
| 15:20.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I understand that drivers provided direct to customers won't often be compliant with the GPL or any other Open Source type of license. |
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| 15:28.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: my point was that when you say "kernel drivers" i have no idea if you are refering to the current kernel tree, the ones marvell provides, or one of the numberous third parties |
| 15:32.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, doesn't "kernel drivers" imply those drivers that are in the kernel? I also referenced "Marvell stuff" in the same query. So, given that, it was a reference to any Marvell products there are current kernel drivers for. :D That's just my logic though and it may be far away from how others think. |
| 15:34.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no "kernel drivers" does not refer to drivers that are in the current kernel tree |
| 15:34.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we have lots and lots and lots of kernel drivers that are not in the current kernel tree |
| 15:35.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd say as a rough guess, and this is just my opinion, 80% of the embedded device support drivers are not in the main kernel tree |
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| 15:36.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey, just the person to ask |
| 15:37.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just off the top of your head, what you say the percentage of embedded device drivers that are in use aren't part of the main kernel tree? |
| 15:38.32 | CosmicPenguin | thats very tough to say |
| 15:38.43 | CosmicPenguin | if you include all of the side processors and everything, I would probably say about 50% |
| 15:38.46 | SpeedEvil | I'd say 70 |
| 15:39.10 | SpeedEvil | % of devices have some unavailable code in them |
| 15:39.34 | SpeedEvil | That's 'core' to the functionaing of the device. |
| 15:39.36 | CosmicPenguin | There are a lot of individual trees for embedded processors out there |
| 15:39.38 | RobotGuy | I realize some, maybe a lot of, companies provide kernel drivers as modules. |
| 15:39.48 | SpeedEvil | For example, the ADSL modem driver in my ADSL router |
| 15:40.03 | SpeedEvil | They don't even provide any GPL source at all. |
| 15:40.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so even at 50%, that means the 1/2 of all embedded products running linux don't have all of the drivers in the main tree |
| 15:40.19 | RobotGuy | OK, I can't think about this anymore right now, because it is literally making my head hurt. :) |
| 15:40.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:40.37 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: but your criteria is a bit unfiar |
| 15:40.52 | CosmicPenguin | Linus doesn't (and probably shouldn't care) about many of those devices |
| 15:41.08 | CosmicPenguin | the better question is - how many of them are in a community maintained tree |
| 15:41.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: have a look at the openmoko project, its an actual open source project and almost all of the hardware support is not in the main tree |
| 15:41.17 | CosmicPenguin | I would say thats probably closer to 75% |
| 15:41.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, the argument was that when someone refers to "kernel drivers" they are refering to what is in the main kernel tree |
| 15:41.50 | CosmicPenguin | For the longest time ,the best embedded tree wasn't LInus or even RMK, it was handhelds.org |
| 15:41.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 15:42.04 | RobotGuy | I just care about the devices I want to use, like the RayLink USB WiFi adapter I have. |
| 15:42.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: works like a champ with the hammer |
| 15:43.33 | prpplague | we will also be carrying the zcomax 8686 module soon |
| 15:45.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It is not in our kernel tree |
| 15:45.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://zcomax.com/embedded/XG-180MU/XG-180MU-DS.pdf |
| 15:45.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hapchap gave you the url the other day for the latest driver |
| 15:46.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I have that and downloaded the files. I just have not done anything with it yet. I may have to build that driver ON the hammer. |
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| 15:46.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why would you have to do that? |
| 15:49.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I do not know. I am just guessing right now. How would I add it otherwise? Could I add it to my kernel tree somehow? |
| 15:49.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh, untar it, give it the path to your kernel tree, set the compiler name, and type make |
| 15:51.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. I read some stuff about the RayLink driver and it seemed like it needed to be built as a separate module. |
| 15:52.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe it is a seperate module |
| 15:53.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/02/CERN_LHC_t2030shigh.jpg |
| 15:53.23 | CosmicPenguin | There is an article about it in this months national geographic too |
| 15:53.25 | prpplague | wow |
| 15:53.25 | CosmicPenguin | awesome stuff |
| 15:54.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats too awesome |
| 15:54.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what are you confused about on the driver? |
| 15:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | James Bondesque, isn't it? |
| 15:54.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was thinking more star trek |
| 15:56.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It does not matter. I will eventually figure out how to build the driver. |
| 15:56.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: okie dokie |
| 15:57.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: got the url handy? i'll write you up a wiki page |
| 15:58.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: acutally if you have vendor and product id of your usb dongle that would be better |
| 16:01.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/914039 |
| 16:02.14 | prpplague | ahh yea its not a raylink its a ralink |
| 16:02.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ooops, sorry. |
| 16:04.33 | RobotGuy | Here is something kind of odd.. I built an initrd using the same exact config file, but two different toolchains. The first one works as it should, but the second one does not. The only difference between the toolchains is the first has no C++ and the second has both C++ options enabled. |
| 16:05.12 | CosmicPenguin | does not work is a little vague |
| 16:05.18 | prpplague | what doesn't work? |
| 16:05.28 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I was coming to the specifics. :D |
| 16:05.37 | CosmicPenguin | Says two guys that have seen a lot of bug reports in their time |
| 16:06.05 | RobotGuy | This is with the second initrd: 1) I have lost /mnt/flash, 2) My Thumb Drive is not recognized and mounted. |
| 16:06.30 | RobotGuy | I have both with the first initrd (no C++ toolchain) |
| 16:06.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sounds like you didn't clear your root and staging dirs before restarting the build |
| 16:07.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ooooooooooooooh, crap. |
| 16:08.33 | RobotGuy | I cleard toolchain_build_arm, but forgot about staging and project root. |
| 16:10.27 | RobotGuy | It's a good thing it does not take long to build a toolchain on my PC. |
| 16:11.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did I tell you I have started rebuilding W.A.L.T.E.R. with the new custom decks I designed? |
| 16:12.11 | prpplague | no you didn't mentioni t |
| 16:12.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just did then. :D:D Yes, I receieved the new decks back from my frined about a week ago. |
| 16:13.39 | RobotGuy | I already have all the current sensors mounted, and the motors and wheels and electronics are mounted. |
| 16:14.10 | RobotGuy | Well, the servo controller is mounted, but not the "brain" board. |
| 16:15.15 | RobotGuy | I let a bit of magic smoke out of the bot board, but the Basic Atom MCU survived and I can still program it. |
| 16:16.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I dunno - those audrino boards from sparkfun sure seem neat |
| 16:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | I really like the lilypad one |
| 16:17.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, there seems to be alot of interested in those |
| 16:17.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right price too |
| 16:17.24 | CosmicPenguin | I want to do my halloween thing with Linux, just so I can, but... |
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| 16:17.31 | CosmicPenguin | oh, well - I'll figure it out |
| 16:17.31 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I have been looking at the USB Arduino - very solderless breadboard friendly with those Female sockets. I need to add those to my Hammer Carrier board too. |
| 16:17.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm still thinkiing we are probably out of the $$ range for most hobbists |
| 16:18.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are mainly looking at oem and schools now days |
| 16:18.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: How so? |
| 16:18.08 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - these guys spend a lot of money |
| 16:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | nobody who reads Make magazine is on a budget |
| 16:18.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:18.41 | RobotGuy | I would have saved up to buy a Hammer Kit. |
| 16:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/239096278/waci+pad-gives-you-total-entertainment-control-in-a-light-switch |
| 16:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | That looks like fun too |
| 16:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | wow - so much hotness in google reader today |
| 16:19.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:19.58 | CosmicPenguin | And the optimus maximus keyboard is shipping |
| 16:20.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? |
| 16:20.32 | RobotGuy | Have you guys seen ScreenKeys? |
| 16:20.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 16:21.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have two of them, one I got as a sample, and another a friend got as a sample and gave me. |
| 16:21.35 | RobotGuy | I have two of the RGB24T ScreenKeys. |
| 16:21.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just built the ralink rt73 drivers, works fine |
| 16:21.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Good to know! |
| 16:21.58 | prpplague | there are some warnings but it works fine |
| 16:22.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 16:25.10 | prpplague | eh gads this code is nasty |
| 16:27.07 | prpplague | ug in places its 200char wide |
| 16:28.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The USB WiFI adapter I have is pretty inexpensive. I got an Edimax BR-6204Wg WiFi B/G Router and an Edimax EW-7318Ug USB WiFi adapter for $120.00. |
| 16:28.43 | RobotGuy | That may actually not be that good of a deal though. |
| 16:29.18 | prpplague | that seems pretty expensive to me |
| 16:30.01 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I probably could have gotten a LinkSys WRT54GL and a LinkSys WiFi for less, but I knew the RaLink USB WiFi would work with Linux. |
| 16:31.32 | RobotGuy | I would rather pay a bit more and support a locally owned business, which is what Norvac Electronics is. |
| 16:32.10 | RobotGuy | They usually give me a 15% discount. |
| 16:33.40 | RobotGuy | I have no idea what chipset LinkSys is using in their WiFi adapters these days. Compatibility with Linux was my main goal. |
| 16:35.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, whats the difference between sprintf(p,"\0") and sprintf(p,'\0') ? |
| 16:36.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: shouldn't the first one create the actual text of \ and 0, while the second should generate a null? |
| 16:36.51 | CosmicPenguin | I don't think the second one will work |
| 16:37.16 | CosmicPenguin | "\0" is a (char *) '\0' is a char |
| 16:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | the second parameter of sprintf has to be a pointer to a format string |
| 16:38.04 | CosmicPenguin | if you want to do the second form, you need to do sprintf(p, "%c", '\0'); |
| 16:38.27 | CosmicPenguin | but why even do the funtion call? p[0] = '\0' works fine |
| 16:39.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i'm looking at someone else code |
| 16:39.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: trying to decide if they really wanted to send a null or format some text |
| 16:41.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: their code uses the first example, sprintf(p,"\0") |
| 16:43.06 | CosmicPenguin | well - thats technically right, but not clever |
| 16:44.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so are they wanting to send a null or to send the text of \ and 0 ? |
| 16:57.22 | CosmicPenguin | by definition \0 is null |
| 16:57.32 | CosmicPenguin | if they wanted to send \ + 0 it would be \\0 |
| 16:58.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats what i thought |
| 16:59.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: shouldn't sprintf(p,"") , add a \0 ? |
| 16:59.45 | CosmicPenguin | yes |
| 16:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | but again, thats not very clever |
| 17:00.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: our just say p=NULL ? |
| 17:00.56 | CosmicPenguin | no - that would be very bad |
| 17:01.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry i mean p[0]=NULL |
| 17:01.34 | CosmicPenguin | *p=0 is not the same as p=NULL |
| 17:03.42 | prpplague | yea that seems to work |
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| 17:26.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think we are going to have to just out right hire someone to do docs for the hammer, i'm totally amazed at the number of requests for stuff as simple as just doing a hello world cross compiled |
| 17:26.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess its a whole different ball park, i never expect to get any instructions are example code for any of the dev board i purchase |
| 17:27.08 | prpplague | s/are/and |
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| 17:33.08 | CosmicPenguin | other then landley and myself, is there anybody else thinking about going to the linux plumbers conference in Portland? |
| 17:33.12 | CosmicPenguin | http://linuxplumbersconf.org/ |
| 17:33.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was kinda thinking about it |
| 17:33.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there was some discussion about taking some nail boards to give away |
| 17:34.05 | Dr{Afk} | i will go |
| 17:34.57 | Dr{Afk} | i will bring a few of my guys they are probably interested. |
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| 17:44.15 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Me. I live in Beaverton, about 20 or so miles from Portland. |
| 17:50.00 | RobotGuy | :D:D |
| 17:50.00 | RobotGuy | APEX Boot Loader 1.5.6 -- Copyright (c) 2004,2005,2006,2007 Marc Singer |
| 17:50.00 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.35 | RobotGuy | Someday it will be on W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 18:06.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmm, I still don't have /mnt/flash or my thumb drive. |
| 18:14.54 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to guage what the reaction to the LPC would be as opposed to OLS |
| 18:16.43 | RobotGuy | LPC? OLS? |
| 18:21.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is there something else I need set in my toolchain parameters to make this work right? |
| 18:31.59 | Dr{Afk} | robot. i should be able to help soon. but i dont have a setup yet.. |
| 18:37.18 | RobotGuy | Dr{Afk}: You are local too, which is cool. We could actually get together. |
| 18:38.53 | Dr{Afk} | yep.. |
| 18:40.53 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Are you getting a full Hammer Kit or a NailBoard? |
| 18:41.59 | RobotGuy | We could actually create a small local Hammer User's Group. There are some other PARTS members who have Hammer Kits. |
| 18:57.12 | ds2 | morning |
| 19:21.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: tubing for the nail board just arrived |
| 19:21.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks pretty cool |
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| 19:43.04 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 19:43.13 | prpplague | updated with the clear tubing case photos at the bottom |
| 19:43.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha think? |
| 19:44.41 | Dr{Who} | sorry back.. good breakfast.. hmm |
| 19:45.28 | Dr{Who} | im getting the hammer kit. |
| 19:46.58 | Dr{Who} | well portland is where linux is... so ya it is a good idea to make a group. |
| 19:47.32 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Cool! |
| 19:48.26 | RobotGuy | I'm building my third toolchain for today, experimenting. |
| 19:50.09 | Dr{Who} | sweet. I have to build a few today for my firwall appliance.. starting to add stuff back in now that i found the boot problem. |
| 19:51.03 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Great. I am trying to find a toolchain that I can have C++ in and still build my initrd with and have everything work. |
| 19:51.41 | RobotGuy | So far, the no C++ toolchain is the only one that has worked. |
| 19:53.46 | Dr{Who} | my first appliance i started years ago was 2.2 kernel then i went 2.4 now i dumping everything and trying to make it all work with buildroot. In the past i just had to maintain all of my peices and building from scratch was not fun. so far a buildroot method seems better i can add packages easier and i can publish my stuff someday if so inclined to go full opensource for now its closed and i just support firewalls as a service to my customers. |
| 19:54.54 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh. I have gotten deeper into Buildroot than I had planned, but I have also learned quite a bit. |
| 19:55.49 | RobotGuy | What kind of appliance are you working on? |
| 19:56.29 | Dr{Who} | my only concern is that it just does not get much support. It seems to have lots of issues lagging behind. Not sure if it is because the developers dont take much input on bugs or if they dont pay attention or what but i see many packages that wont build |
| 19:57.22 | Dr{Who} | firewall's |
| 19:57.24 | RobotGuy | I have found that some packages will build with some toolchain configurations, but not others. |
| 19:58.32 | Dr{Who} | http://www.nutech.com/hardware.asp UFO project |
| 19:58.40 | RobotGuy | You also have to make sure that <project_root>/usr/lib exists. If it is not there, that will break some builds. |
| 19:59.06 | Dr{Who} | we have hosted sites behind these that have taken a full 80mbits of aol traffic sustained for days on a single box. |
| 19:59.22 | RobotGuy | That is very cool. |
| 19:59.28 | Dr{Who} | well a single firewall. we setup 30 servers loadbalanced to handle the load |
| 19:59.43 | RobotGuy | That's major. |
| 19:59.53 | Dr{Who} | ya i built it back in the day because we found that netscreen's and others just could not handle the load |
| 20:00.18 | RobotGuy | My poor little server needs a major upgrade. I ask it to do so much, and it keeps doing it. |
| 20:00.24 | Dr{Who} | been a real nightmare to move to 2.6 though i still prefer 2.4 for stability and size |
| 20:00.37 | Dr{Who} | what hardware is it? |
| 20:00.59 | RobotGuy | Pentium III/733 Mhz with 192 MB RAM. |
| 20:01.26 | Dr{Who} | we have some good servers going on sat/sunday you should stop in and see if you see anything you like |
| 20:01.40 | RobotGuy | I host 9 websites on it, MySQL server, etc. |
| 20:01.48 | RobotGuy | I can't afford anything at all right now. |
| 20:02.08 | Dr{Who} | ya i hear that .. exactly why im dumping stuff to get cash for new projects. |
| 20:02.37 | RobotGuy | I just need a power supply and case and I can build up a 3rd PC here. |
| 20:03.19 | prpplague | oh i soooo totally love this tube case |
| 20:03.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The tube is way better than that mini-coffin thing. :D |
| 20:06.11 | prpplague | i actually like the gold bar, but thats just me |
| 20:06.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: think the tube looks good though? |
| 20:07.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I think so. |
| 20:07.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I like the new tube case for nailboard. |
| 20:08.25 | RobotGuy | I think the color actually sets off the nailboard and complements it. |
| 20:08.26 | prpplague | so far everyone in the office loves it |
| 20:08.52 | RobotGuy | I agree with the office folks. |
| 20:12.56 | Dr{Who} | Robot.. if anything does not sell i will try to swing you a ps/case... hope rackmount is ok : c ) |
| 20:13.57 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: I appreciate that, but don't know if I can use a rack mount case. I have all standard PC type hardware to put in a case. |
| 20:15.06 | RobotGuy | I've never built a system in a rack mount case so don't know if all the hardware I have will fit. |
| 20:15.07 | Dr{Who} | not any difference in the hardware that goes in |
| 20:15.22 | Dr{Who} | except for maybe some of the 1u's i have they require low profile ram |
| 20:15.36 | RobotGuy | Maybe a rack mount would work for me then. |
| 20:16.33 | RobotGuy | I am game to try it if I can get one. |
| 20:16.57 | RobotGuy | I won't have any more money until the first of the month though. |
| 20:17.02 | Dr{Who} | ok. ill scope out what we have and see how things go this weekend. |
| 20:17.14 | Dr{Who} | no worries i will try to give what does not sell a good home. |
| 20:17.21 | RobotGuy | Cool! Maybe I will see if I can stop by this weekend. |
| 20:17.38 | RobotGuy | Is there an exact address for the meet? |
| 20:18.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: check out the new pic at the bottom of the page |
| 20:18.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: color oled |
| 20:19.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oooooh, shiny.. :D |
| 20:19.19 | RobotGuy | What is the resolution? |
| 20:19.47 | RobotGuy | I so want to have a display on my Hammer. |
| 20:20.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that one is a 128x128, but we'll have a 96x64 oled option |
| 20:21.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I like the larger one. :) How much will you be selling them for? |
| 20:21.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i doubt we'll be able to get the larger on in qty |
| 20:21.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no clue at the momment |
| 20:22.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Bummer. I think Spark Fun has a 128x128 OLED. I will have to check. |
| 20:22.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you wanting one for your hammer kit? |
| 20:22.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why not just use either the 128x128 tft or oled from sparkfun? |
| 20:23.23 | RobotGuy | Like this: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=712 |
| 20:23.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i much prefer the tft though, since you can run it via spi |
| 20:26.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I **really** want this 320x240 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8490 but Hammer probably could not run it. |
| 20:27.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it runs it fine |
| 20:27.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just in 2-3-2 instead of 5-6-5 |
| 20:27.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh! Well, I am getting one then! |
| 20:27.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well make sure you can find the connector and know how to do the power supplies |
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| 20:32.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The connector may be a problem. :( |
| 20:32.34 | CosmicPenguin | 2-3-2? |
| 20:32.38 | CosmicPenguin | oh - yeah |
| 20:32.44 | CosmicPenguin | 8 / 3 is not an integer |
| 20:32.47 | CosmicPenguin | don't listen to me, seriously |
| 20:33.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you have a look at the tube case? |
| 20:33.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm curious as to your response |
| 20:33.53 | SpeedEvil | 3-3-2 surely? |
| 20:33.55 | RobotGuy | Just kidding, CosmicPenguin. :D |
| 20:33.59 | SpeedEvil | or something. |
| 20:34.03 | SpeedEvil | what tube case? |
| 20:34.26 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 20:34.31 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: bottom of th epage |
| 20:35.01 | RobotGuy | The Spark Fun OLED should work, right? |
| 20:35.10 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i could do 3-3-2 , but i figured i'd follow a similiar mapping as the larger bit patterns |
| 20:35.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 20:35.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: More color is better. :D |
| 20:35.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not nessarily if its out of balance |
| 20:36.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: True, durn it. ;) |
| 20:36.33 | Dr{Who} | its on the add @ craigslist under garages sales "tech" |
| 20:37.19 | Dr{Who} | that keyword will bring it up |
| 20:38.59 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Got it. :D I am really wishing I had money right now. |
| 20:39.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: did you have a look? |
| 20:40.25 | Dr{Who} | : c ) |
| 20:40.31 | RobotGuy | I have to get ahold of a friend of mine. I know he would like to check this out. |
| 20:41.00 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Check the ad on portland.craigslist.org under Garage Sale, search for "tech" |
| 20:42.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are there any other good sources I might find a compatible 320x240 color display that would work with Hammer (and has connectors available)? |
| 20:42.29 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.43 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 20:42.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: earthlcd.com has number |
| 20:43.11 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: did you have a look? |
| 20:43.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to load it |
| 20:43.50 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 20:44.14 | SpeedEvil | Currently having problems due to local network issues. (my line is throttled at 135k due to a past line fault) |
| 20:44.40 | prpplague | doh |
| 20:45.31 | SpeedEvil | ah - here it comes. |
| 20:46.23 | SpeedEvil | what sort of card is that? |
| 20:46.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh - CF |
| 20:47.05 | SpeedEvil | what's the black rectangle? |
| 20:47.08 | SpeedEvil | Looks nice |
| 20:47.16 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: in the last photo? |
| 20:47.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:47.33 | prpplague | lcd |
| 20:47.55 | SpeedEvil | what sort? |
| 20:48.49 | prpplague | 128x128 tft serial interface |
| 20:49.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.b3ta.com/questions/witness/post122182 |
| 20:49.04 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 20:49.39 | SpeedEvil | sorry - I'm having problems with intermittant multi-second lag leading to window confusion. I've got a build tree update going on in the background. |
| 20:52.17 | ds2 | keeping the nail short enough to avoid law suites with NiN? ;) |
| 20:52.19 | ds2 | j/k |
| 20:53.47 | prpplague | ds2: hehe |
| 20:54.03 | prpplague | ds2: your thoughts on the tube case? |
| 20:54.31 | ds2 | very nice, but I am guessing the USB connectors prevent it from being fully weather proof? |
| 20:55.17 | SpeedEvil | I assume the transparent bit is 0.5mm or so mylar/polyester tube? |
| 20:55.19 | ds2 | the bottom photo with the LCD is a very novel way of using the case... now if you can get a touch sensor foil setup near the ends... |
| 20:55.25 | SpeedEvil | quite flexible until you put the end-caps on? |
| 20:55.49 | SpeedEvil | Don't forget the battery too |
| 20:55.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It appears that I am not going to get a properly working initrd using a C++ toolchain. :( |
| 20:56.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: for what? |
| 20:56.19 | ds2 | looks like there is room to put in a cell phone style Li Ion cell |
| 20:56.32 | prpplague | ds2: why do you need it whether proof? |
| 20:56.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why? i did it on your box with no problems |
| 20:57.02 | prpplague | ds2: the nail isn't designed for that type of operation |
| 20:57.11 | ds2 | prpplague: I don't _NEED_ it if I were using it as you intended, but I like the idea of a dev-n-go thing where it is also used |
| 20:57.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you build a working initrd and load it on a Hammer? |
| 20:57.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 20:57.33 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I know - flexibility is good though. |
| 20:57.45 | ds2 | besides, a weather proof case + a ruggedized laptop = field development kit |
| 20:57.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Mind telling me which option(s) you had enabled? |
| 20:58.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: default config plus the two c++ options |
| 20:58.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well the nail was never designed for mobile/battery operations |
| 20:59.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I tried both C++ options and I lose /mnt/flash and my thumb drive. |
| 20:59.18 | prpplague | ds2: the usb connectors could be replaced with ip rated ones |
| 20:59.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are loosing the /mnt/flash and thumb drive, it has nothing to do with the c++ options |
| 21:00.01 | ds2 | prpplague: some touch inputs on the end caps might be nice |
| 21:00.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What is causing it then? |
| 21:00.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: email me your initrd image |
| 21:00.19 | prpplague | ds2: yea, i was thinking about that |
| 21:00.20 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 21:01.12 | prpplague | gotta go get the kids |
| 21:01.13 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 21:01.18 | ds2 | it is a big but that seems like the ideal thing for a electronic easter egg hunt |
| 21:01.36 | ds2 | or a digital version of a ham fox hunt |
| 21:28.41 | SpeedEvil | ESTACKUNDERFLOW |
| 21:28.47 | prpplague | ds2: ham fox hunt ? |
| 21:36.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looks like the /mnt/flash directory isn't getting created |
| 21:36.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: send me a copy of your devices file |
| 21:38.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: plus i don't see where you are mounting your thumb drive as /usr |
| 21:42.08 | RobotGuy | It's mounted at /opt right now |
| 21:44.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't see anywhere in your inittab that is mounting it |
| 21:47.09 | Madsy | When linking against glibc, why does it include the whole library? |
| 21:47.31 | Madsy | I find it hard to believe that puts take up 250 KiB |
| 21:47.51 | SpeedEvil | A ham fox hunt is a search for a transmitter using directional antennas. |
| 21:49.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It happens in the mount -a command after the ohc-hcd and usb-storage modules are loaded and stable. |
| 21:49.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that is not acceptable |
| 21:50.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats dependent on alot of factors including the fact that its listed in the fstab |
| 21:53.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It is listed in the fstab |
| 21:54.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Sent devices file |
| 21:54.49 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: I just talked to a friend of mine and we will both be at the meet tomorrow early. |
| 21:54.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i know, i'm just saying that its not good to depend on it that way |
| 21:55.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: How would you do it then? |
| 21:56.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just like the others, either in the inittab or as part of startup script |
| 21:56.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: A specific mount for the thumb drive like "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /opt" |
| 21:56.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 21:57.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No problem. I will add that then. |
| 21:58.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just added that |
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| 22:15.05 | ds2 | prpplague: (sorry, went to lunch). ham fox hunt is a hidden transmitter hunt where one person hides a transmitter somewhere and the rest of the people try to locate the transmitter by listening to the signal and triangulating |
| 22:15.22 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 22:15.38 | CosmicPenguin | see also "why is the guy in my back yard with a beeping cellphone?" |
| 22:15.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 22:15.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you look at the case? |
| 22:16.00 | CosmicPenguin | sorry - that was sexist - it could be a girl |
| 22:16.02 | CosmicPenguin | nope |
| 22:17.05 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 22:17.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bottom of the page |
| 22:17.16 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331989,00.html |
| 22:17.23 | prpplague | right there is why i hate illegals |
| 22:17.34 | ds2 | prpplague: how much did that tube + end cap thing run |
| 22:17.35 | ds2 | ? |
| 22:17.47 | prpplague | *cough* about $1 |
| 22:19.01 | ds2 | NICE |
| 22:20.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You can see in my devices file where /mnt/flash is created. |
| 22:20.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, just not sure the devices file is getting called |
| 22:21.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I do make rootclean before each build. |
| 22:21.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and is the /mnt/flash in the project root? |
| 22:23.02 | SpeedEvil | s/illegals/any reckless person/ |
| 22:24.17 | Madsy | illegal immigrants, yes? |
| 22:25.54 | SpeedEvil | I don't particularly care about the immigration status of the person that's just killed my ... , or what bit of paper they hold entitling them to drive a vehicle. |
| 22:26.45 | SpeedEvil | Just their competance and if it was a genuine accident that would have occurred to a normal person paying average attention. |
| 22:30.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well, imho, illegals are worse |
| 22:30.57 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: they broke the law coming into the states, they broke the law driving without a license, they broke the law when they cause the accident |
| 22:31.13 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: its a willfull disregard for the law that caused the deaths |
| 22:31.22 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: imho thats murder 1 |
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| 22:32.02 | SpeedEvil | It's only wilfull disregard for the law that cause d the deeaths if the same person with the right paperwork wouldn't have done the same things. |
| 22:32.22 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: sorry i disagree |
| 22:33.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: atleast if someone has a license, they have proven that have some very basic understanding of the rules of the road including signs and had atleast a basic driving test |
| 22:33.57 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 22:34.04 | SpeedEvil | But lacking a license does not disprove that. |
| 22:34.08 | ds2 | it is premeditated. they conspired to get a fake identity to provide an alibi |
| 22:34.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: we've had 27 head on collisions in our area where a person got on the interstate going the wrong direction |
| 22:34.29 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: 26 or 27 were illegals who did not speak english |
| 22:34.45 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: out of the 26 accidents 70+ people were killed |
| 22:34.51 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I'd be more likely to do that than your average american, and I do speak english. |
| 22:35.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: /mnt/flash is in the project root |
| 22:35.18 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea well that statistics right now go against you |
| 22:35.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: atleast in the dfw area |
| 22:35.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should be in the initrd then |
| 22:36.24 | SpeedEvil | I've gotten a lot less judgemental affter - when in a hurry - but not speeding, I completely misread an unfamiliar road, and departed the road at speed. |
| 22:37.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know |
| 22:37.28 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: well, all i can say is that atleast you have tried to follow the law and gotten your license |
| 22:37.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: still not looked? |
| 22:38.06 | CosmicPenguin | I don't even know what you are talking about |
| 22:38.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: /mnt is on Hammer, but no /mnt/flash |
| 22:38.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board bottom of the page, the clear tube case |
| 22:39.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sounds like it is getting deleted or not copied somewhere |
| 22:39.26 | CosmicPenguin | hmm - I'm not a fan |
| 22:39.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: neither one of my mount points is on Hammer. |
| 22:39.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don |
| 22:39.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't mess with the mount points. |
| 22:39.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you are sure that its in the project root dir? |
| 22:39.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bummer |
| 22:40.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: too cheesy? |
| 22:40.09 | CosmicPenguin | sorry |
| 22:40.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Both mount points are in the project root. |
| 22:40.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are sure of that? |
| 22:40.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I JUST CHECKED |
| 22:41.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: tar up a copy of the project root and email it to me |
| 22:41.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you not like? just the over all look? |
| 22:49.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
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| 22:52.37 | RobotGuy | I have technical difficulties. I need to go now. |
| 22:56.59 | prpplague | okie dokie |
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