| 00:00.01 | sorphin | now hard cider, on the other hand ;) |
| 00:00.03 | prpplague | agaffney generally no |
| 00:00.04 | agaffney | it was "better", but still not "good" |
| 00:00.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah, you keep telling me that. I'm getting a complex. |
| 00:00.16 | sorphin | Cider and Black |
| 00:00.17 | sorphin | yum |
| 00:00.25 | prpplague | sorphin yea the hammer module is starting to pick up, but the sales aren't where we wanted it be |
| 00:00.34 | sorphin | prpplague: :-( |
| 00:00.41 | sorphin | prpplague: that was hence the tool joke |
| 00:00.42 | sorphin | Hammer |
| 00:00.43 | sorphin | Nail |
| 00:00.44 | sorphin | Saw |
| 00:00.45 | sorphin | .... |
| 00:00.46 | prpplague | agaffney beer is an acquired taste, it doesn't appeal to everyine |
| 00:00.53 | prpplague | sorphin ahh |
| 00:01.09 | sorphin | prpplague: how's the house of plague? |
| 00:01.11 | prpplague | sorphin when you said tool i was thinking of inject moulded tools |
| 00:01.21 | prpplague | sorphin good at the momment |
| 00:01.24 | sorphin | prpplague: right |
| 00:01.35 | prpplague | sorphin most of everything is good now that donna got her visa |
| 00:01.43 | sorphin | prpplague: good |
| 00:01.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I should let you login and build me a toolchain. :D |
| 00:02.03 | sorphin | I may need to find a visa to somewhere |
| 00:02.07 | prpplague | agaffney did you have a look at the tube case for the nail board? http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 00:02.10 | sorphin | if Hitlery gets the nomination :P |
| 00:02.18 | RobotGuy | That new case is sooooooooooooooooooo cool! |
| 00:02.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy it will have to be tuesday or wed. |
| 00:02.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy monday is gonna be rought |
| 00:02.43 | sorphin | prpplague: and here i was joking.. there's actually a Nail board? lol |
| 00:02.48 | agaffney | nifty |
| 00:02.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Whenever. I am taking a break from buildroot, or at least trying to. |
| 00:02.55 | prpplague | sorphin yea , did you look at it? |
| 00:03.01 | sorphin | looking now |
| 00:03.06 | agaffney | prpplague: I also can't stand the taste of coffee |
| 00:03.20 | prpplague | agaffney oh then you are sure not to like beer |
| 00:03.30 | agaffney | even with a bunch of sweetener and creamer in it, I can still taste the coffee underneath it |
| 00:03.51 | sorphin | prpplague: what's next? saw? chisel? drill? :) |
| 00:04.06 | sorphin | agaffney: double mocha latte from The Grind :) |
| 00:04.27 | RobotGuy | I don't like coffee, but I do like beer, although I am very picky about which ones I will drink. |
| 00:04.28 | prpplague | sorphin sledge hammer and tac-hammer |
| 00:04.49 | RobotGuy | Ooooooh, Sledge and Tac.. |
| 00:05.03 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 00:05.18 | prpplague | thoughts on the tube case? too cheesy? |
| 00:05.18 | RobotGuy | Do you have any more info on Sledge? |
| 00:05.39 | sorphin | prpplague: avoiding ClawHammer eh? |
| 00:06.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy no specs , but i have a picture - http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 00:07.07 | prpplague | sorphin did you look at the tube case? |
| 00:07.18 | prpplague | i'm wondering if its too cheesy |
| 00:07.29 | agaffney | sorphin: that's not really coffee :P |
| 00:07.35 | prpplague | i've gotten about 75/25 in favor of the tube case |
| 00:07.35 | sorphin | agaffney: exactly ;) |
| 00:08.13 | RobotGuy | I like the look of that sledge.. Lots of pins exposed, and an SD/MMC card slot too! |
| 00:08.16 | sorphin | prpplague: i'm about functionality vs. form. so it's fine with me |
| 00:08.17 | prpplague | sorphin the nail board might be a cool security device for you guys |
| 00:08.32 | agaffney | prpplague: the only problem I see with the tube case is that it could be "squashed" pretty easily |
| 00:08.33 | prpplague | agaffney and you? |
| 00:08.45 | agaffney | but it looks cool |
| 00:08.53 | sorphin | well, don't use flimsey plastic |
| 00:08.55 | sorphin | that's all |
| 00:08.56 | prpplague | agaffney naw, the plastic is pretty darn tough, i dropped bricks on it over the weekend |
| 00:09.00 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:09.05 | agaffney | keep is transparent |
| 00:09.11 | agaffney | s/is/it/ |
| 00:09.28 | prpplague | no cracks or broken parts, just a fre scratches on the tube |
| 00:09.29 | sorphin | ll |
| 00:09.29 | agaffney | the transparency of the case is part of the appeal |
| 00:09.41 | sorphin | ~whaleslap agaffney |
| 00:09.42 | purl | ACTION beats agaffney upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:09.49 | agaffney | hi Hugh |
| 00:09.57 | RobotGuy | I think the gold color complements the Hammer |
| 00:10.10 | prpplague | gold color? |
| 00:10.18 | prpplague | the end caps are orange |
| 00:10.21 | sorphin | prpplague: definatley nice looking board there, the nail board.. |
| 00:10.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague,: Well whatever color the end caps are. :) |
| 00:10.38 | agaffney | yeah, that's not really gold or even gold-ish :P |
| 00:10.51 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:10.58 | RobotGuy | I guess it does not look the right color on this stupid monitor. |
| 00:11.15 | RobotGuy | It looks goldish to me. |
| 00:11.16 | prpplague | sorphin complete usb powered, has serial console, jtag, and usb gadget all in one usb cable |
| 00:11.22 | sorphin | :) |
| 00:11.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy hehe np |
| 00:11.48 | sorphin | bbl, food, etc. |
| 00:11.55 | prpplague | sorphin okie dokie |
| 00:15.21 | agaffney | prpplague: send me one, and I'll tell you whatever you want to hear about how the case looks :P |
| 00:15.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:15.32 | prpplague | agaffney like it? |
| 00:15.46 | agaffney | it never hurts to have a new toy :P |
| 00:15.56 | agaffney | of course, I've got a few I still have yet to do anything with yet |
| 00:16.36 | agaffney | I've got that dht-walnut(x2), an EFIKA, a la fonera, 2x Netgear WGT634U, and a few other things I'm forgetting |
| 00:16.45 | agaffney | oh, an EPIA, too |
| 00:16.52 | agaffney | one of the original ones |
| 00:18.25 | prpplague | yea i can't afford to send out too many freebies these days, my previous results for freebies has been very disappointing |
| 00:19.00 | RobotGuy | I' |
| 00:19.12 | RobotGuy | I'm disappointed in my progress with hammer. |
| 00:19.24 | agaffney | prpplague: yeah, sending me a freebie wouldn't gain you anything :P |
| 00:20.08 | RobotGuy | I;m very disappointed in my progress, in fact. My fault most likely. |
| 00:20.16 | sjhill | RobotGuy: yeah, you suck |
| 00:20.18 | sjhill | :P |
| 00:20.25 | sjhill | i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:20.41 | sjhill | but random insults just helps you to remember that the universe is random |
| 00:20.46 | RobotGuy | sjhill: Me and Buildroot don't get along well. |
| 00:20.48 | agaffney | sjhill: that doesn't mean you're not correct about his sucking :P |
| 00:20.57 | sjhill | lol |
| 00:21.05 | agaffney | RobotGuy: I've never had a problem with it the few times I've played with it |
| 00:21.15 | RobotGuy | Sometimes, it just sucks to be me. :P |
| 00:21.26 | agaffney | now you're sounding like flyback |
| 00:21.35 | sjhill | no |
| 00:21.39 | RobotGuy | agaffney: Bite your tongue! |
| 00:21.41 | sjhill | RobotGuy actually has intelligence |
| 00:21.47 | agaffney | next are you going to tell us you've got a magic form of diabetes that can't be detected by any tests? |
| 00:22.00 | sjhill | ah |
| 00:22.05 | sjhill | that's his "problem" |
| 00:22.13 | agaffney | one of many |
| 00:22.21 | RobotGuy | Hey, I build robots that work. :D |
| 00:22.21 | agaffney | the other day, he claimed he has MS |
| 00:22.30 | agaffney | I think he's also complained about asthma |
| 00:22.36 | sjhill | "I don't know what your problem his...but I bet it's hard to pronounce..." kind of thing |
| 00:22.41 | agaffney | hah |
| 00:23.06 | RobotGuy | It's sad when flyback becomes a topic of discussion. |
| 00:24.16 | RobotGuy | Next time I get a toolchain to work I am NOT messing with ANYTHING in buildroot. |
| 00:24.27 | sjhill | which architecture? |
| 00:24.33 | RobotGuy | Hammer |
| 00:24.38 | sjhill | ah |
| 00:24.39 | RobotGuy | ARM9 |
| 00:25.05 | RobotGuy | Hammer is so cool, but I don't get along well with buildroot for some reason. |
| 00:26.18 | RobotGuy | Gumstix used to use buildroot, but they have switched to OpenEmbedded. |
| 00:34.53 | prpplague | OE is great, but extremely complex, very large and takes a ton of computing power to compile |
| 00:35.14 | prpplague | sjhill greetings btw |
| 00:35.19 | prpplague | sjhill sorry about the flyback issue |
| 00:35.30 | prpplague | sjhill i've added you to the op list |
| 00:37.45 | prpplague | flyback was actually doing pretty good till he stopped taking his meds about a month ago |
| 00:38.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I can see that OE is much more complex than buildroot. I am just interested in something that will work for ME. OE also has a larger selection of softwre available from what I can tell. |
| 00:38.40 | RobotGuy | I don't even go online when I run out of any of my medicine. |
| 00:38.46 | prpplague | yea, much larger, i'm just totally suprised at your difficulties with buildroot |
| 00:38.53 | agaffney | I'm vaguely curious what flyback's actual issue is |
| 00:38.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You and me both! |
| 00:39.17 | agaffney | I'd just like to put a name to the condition :P |
| 00:39.26 | prpplague | agaffney he has aspbergers and bi-polar |
| 00:39.28 | agaffney | perhaps it's CANUCK-itis |
| 00:39.50 | RobotGuy | I am far from new to software build environments. I've built Linux from Scratch several times. I'm not new to such things. |
| 00:40.07 | agaffney | prpplague: eh, both of those are vague and all-encompassing conditions :P |
| 00:40.39 | prpplague | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome |
| 00:40.58 | agaffney | I know what it is |
| 00:41.04 | prpplague | well the bi-polar can be vague, but asperger's is pretty well defined |
| 00:41.12 | agaffney | it's basically autism with a high level of functionality |
| 00:41.46 | *** join/#edev flyback- (n=ubuntu@c-24-131-197-176.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 00:42.01 | flyback- | anyone know if the output enable and latch enable pins need pull up or pull down resistors and what values to use |
| 00:42.01 | *** mode/#edev [+b *!*@c-24-131-197-176.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by prpplague |
| 00:42.05 | *** kick/#edev [flyback-!n=dave123_@ppp-70-244-174-225.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] by prpplague (prpplague) |
| 00:42.20 | sjhill | speak of satan |
| 00:42.27 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:43.11 | agaffney | that ban is very ineffective |
| 00:43.31 | prpplague | agaffney yea i'll make it more effective tomorrow |
| 00:43.40 | RobotGuy | Can't a perm ban be set? Seems like I remember that from my IRCOP days. |
| 00:43.47 | agaffney | not really |
| 00:43.55 | agaffney | there's always ways around a ban |
| 00:44.00 | agaffney | unless you ban his whole ISP :P |
| 00:44.08 | agaffney | but then he can just use a shell account |
| 00:44.17 | sjhill | ban his whole ISP....hmm... |
| 00:44.25 | RobotGuy | agaffney: True. One can always find another account somewhere. |
| 00:44.30 | agaffney | well, it *is* comcast |
| 00:44.32 | agaffney | ban away :P |
| 00:44.41 | sjhill | "All in favor, say 'Aye'! Opposed? Motion carries." |
| 00:45.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:45.06 | sjhill | i'm on the planning and zoning board, sorry about that |
| 00:45.13 | RobotGuy | I refuse to pay Comcast for any sort of services. I don't even have TV here, but now I have a new option for cable - Verizon FIOS TV. |
| 00:45.14 | *** mode/#edev [+o agaffney] by ChanServ |
| 00:45.21 | prpplague | yea with the correct mask you can make it pretty effective |
| 00:45.41 | *** mode/#edev [+b flyback*!*@*.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:45.59 | *** mode/#edev [-b *!*@c-24-131-197-176.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:45.59 | RobotGuy | I am just relearning all the IRCOP stuff now. That's one reason I setup two of my own servers. |
| 00:46.07 | *** mode/#edev [-b *!user@*.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:46.14 | *** mode/#edev [-b flyback!user@*.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:46.39 | RobotGuy | I always had a bot to handle banning and kicking. |
| 00:46.42 | agaffney | that ban will get flyback and flyback- with any username from an comcast IP in pennsylvania :P |
| 00:46.54 | agaffney | s/an/any/ |
| 00:47.34 | RobotGuy | It will get any flyback nick in PA on Comcast. |
| 00:47.41 | agaffney | right |
| 00:47.43 | agaffney | flyback* |
| 00:47.48 | RobotGuy | Yep |
| 00:47.55 | agaffney | just saying that it will get the 2 he's known to use :P |
| 00:48.10 | agaffney | but it's still easy to evade |
| 00:48.12 | RobotGuy | You could have also done *flyback* |
| 00:48.13 | agaffney | just change the nick |
| 00:48.29 | *** mode/#edev [+b *flyback*!*@*.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:48.33 | *** mode/#edev [-b flyback*!*@*.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:48.35 | agaffney | there :P |
| 00:48.44 | agaffney | but it's still mostly ineffective |
| 00:48.44 | prpplague | agaffney add fishhead |
| 00:48.54 | *** mode/#edev [+b *fishhead*!*@*.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:48.57 | prpplague | he's been known to use that one too |
| 00:49.02 | agaffney | yeah, been a while, though |
| 00:49.11 | agaffney | but last time he was banned, he came up with a completely different nick |
| 00:49.16 | agaffney | he knows how to get around the ban |
| 00:49.31 | *** mode/#edev [-o agaffney] by ChanServ |
| 00:49.47 | RobotGuy | You can ban from just the CO he comes in on from Comcast. Don't need to ban all of PA Comcast. |
| 00:50.04 | agaffney | sure, sure :P |
| 00:50.12 | agaffney | but nothing good comes from PA or comcast :P |
| 00:50.20 | prpplague | sjhill you still around? |
| 00:50.29 | RobotGuy | The more specific ban is normally preferred as long as it works. |
| 00:51.06 | RobotGuy | I still prefer to use the more specific ban - it will be just as effective as the more general one. |
| 00:51.24 | *** mode/#edev [+o agaffney] by ChanServ |
| 00:51.36 | prpplague | agaffney btw, just some guide lines, we generally don't want bad language, including slurs, |
| 00:51.46 | RobotGuy | It also affects far fewer people, which is better. |
| 00:51.57 | prpplague | agaffney a little off topic is ok, but if it gets to be a problem let them know |
| 00:52.41 | RobotGuy | It's hard to ask hammer questions when others are talking off topic. |
| 00:52.57 | agaffney | hmm, I just tried to add new bans that were more specific, and nothing happened |
| 00:53.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea, when we get enough hammer users online we'll start a new channel |
| 00:53.14 | RobotGuy | You have to remove the general one first. |
| 00:53.18 | agaffney | you sure? |
| 00:53.21 | sjhill | prpplague: yep |
| 00:53.24 | RobotGuy | I believe so. |
| 00:53.34 | *** mode/#edev [-bb *fishhead*!*@*.pa.comcast.net *flyback*!*@*.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:53.51 | *** mode/#edev [+bb *fishhead*!*@*.hsd1.pa.comcast.net *flyback*!*@*.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by agaffney |
| 00:53.57 | agaffney | hmm |
| 00:54.07 | *** mode/#edev [-o agaffney] by ChanServ |
| 00:54.11 | RobotGuy | There you go. See? I do know a bit about this stuff. |
| 00:54.15 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:54.32 | RobotGuy | I've been an IRCOP. |
| 00:54.35 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:54.57 | agaffney | prpplague: is CANUCK CANUCK CANUCK included in slurs? :P |
| 00:55.21 | prpplague | agaffney yea we consider that a slut here |
| 00:55.25 | prpplague | slur |
| 00:55.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:55.32 | prpplague | freudian slip |
| 00:55.37 | agaffney | freudian slip! |
| 00:55.41 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:56.02 | RobotGuy | ~whaleslap prpplague |
| 00:56.02 | purl | ACTION beats prpplague upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:56.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:57.14 | prpplague | sjhill don't suppose you looked at the nail board yet? |
| 00:57.22 | prpplague | sjhill http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 00:57.36 | prpplague | sjhill what do you think of the clear platic case at the bottom of the page? |
| 01:03.10 | RobotGuy | I think I have a good set of new pictures of W.A.L.T.E.R. now, so just need to get them online. |
| 01:05.02 | prpplague | oh lord, movie stars are now trademarking sentences they use |
| 01:05.47 | RobotGuy | You got to be kidding! |
| 01:06.54 | prpplague | http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/02/15/famous.phrases/index.html |
| 01:08.25 | *** join/#edev ico2_ (n=ico2@modem-1255.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 01:09.09 | sjhill | prpplague: have not looked at nail |
| 01:09.10 | sjhill | hold on |
| 01:11.12 | sjhill | hmm |
| 01:11.49 | prpplague | sjhill thoughts? |
| 01:12.02 | sjhill | prpplague: so no square or rectanglar plastic cases because...? |
| 01:12.23 | prpplague | sjhill just can |
| 01:12.31 | prpplague | sjhill just cant find any off the shelf |
| 01:12.42 | prpplague | sjhill just lookin for something to start off with |
| 01:12.50 | prpplague | sjhill get a custom case later |
| 01:13.06 | sjhill | is that tube circular? |
| 01:13.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:13.32 | sjhill | man, my cat would have a hay day with that thing if it wasn't plugged in |
| 01:13.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:14.04 | RobotGuy | My cat would want to play catch with it. |
| 01:14.15 | prpplague | sjhill whatcha think of the electronics? |
| 01:14.16 | sjhill | other than the rolling thing, for an initial prototype, it will do |
| 01:14.43 | sjhill | i think there's a risk of me breaking it in half by accident |
| 01:14.45 | prpplague | sjhill yea we can get the end caps with a flat side so it sits without rolling |
| 01:14.49 | RobotGuy | If it was oval, it would be rocking, not rolling. ;) |
| 01:15.11 | prpplague | sjhill the plastic is pretty tough |
| 01:15.38 | sjhill | what type of people are you targeting then? |
| 01:15.53 | prpplague | sjhill mainly software developers right now |
| 01:16.18 | sjhill | ok |
| 01:16.23 | sjhill | well, then i think it's fine |
| 01:16.27 | prpplague | sjhill been getting alot of request for a device people can use like an oversized thumb drive |
| 01:16.48 | prpplague | sjhill we added just enough hardware items to make it a hardware hackable device too |
| 01:16.52 | sjhill | as long as the tube can withstand bending in the middle, it's cool |
| 01:17.26 | prpplague | sjhill hehe i did some testing today with bricks, no damage |
| 01:17.33 | sjhill | perfect |
| 01:17.38 | sjhill | thumbs up then! |
| 01:17.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It could be used as a perhipheral attached to a Mini-ITX or other system to communicate with sensors and such. |
| 01:17.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy indeed |
| 01:18.06 | sjhill | RobotGuy: yeah, the nail has potential to appeal to even more developers than hammer imho |
| 01:18.34 | RobotGuy | sjhill: I can see nail board being used on very small robots like my Lynxmotion BRAT. |
| 01:18.39 | sjhill | prpplague: when you have the nail ready to sell, i'll buy one immediately |
| 01:18.58 | prpplague | sjhill yea, we've had the suggestion as a usb sniffer, laptop security key, and network condom |
| 01:19.02 | prpplague | sjhill oh? |
| 01:19.09 | prpplague | sjhill like it that much? |
| 01:19.13 | sjhill | yes |
| 01:19.23 | prpplague | cool |
| 01:19.28 | RobotGuy | There isn't much place for a good controller on a biped robot, and weight is a real issue too, so nailboard would work great there,' |
| 01:20.00 | prpplague | sjhill looks like we'll sell it at $189 |
| 01:20.25 | sjhill | a little higher than i would like, but i'll still buy one |
| 01:20.47 | sjhill | what would give you the ability to drop the price, purely volume? |
| 01:20.51 | RobotGuy | Under $200.00 is a pretty important price point. |
| 01:20.59 | prpplague | sjhill yea just volume |
| 01:21.06 | sjhill | $150 would be perfect imho |
| 01:21.17 | RobotGuy | I swore I would never use another module, until I saw Hammer. |
| 01:21.40 | prpplague | sjhill yea, we are looking how we can get it down below $100, but its gonna take some work |
| 01:21.49 | prpplague | sjhill just wanna make sure the demand is there first |
| 01:22.07 | sjhill | well, i'll commit to buying one at the $189 |
| 01:22.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You might want to talk to companies like Lynxmotion, or those that do animatronics. |
| 01:22.34 | prpplague | sjhill just for tinkering? or you expect to use it for work? |
| 01:22.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea, one item at a time |
| 01:23.32 | sjhill | prpplague: tinkering |
| 01:23.41 | prpplague | sjhill ahh ok |
| 01:23.58 | sjhill | prpplague: for work, i'm sending myself email at work on this |
| 01:24.18 | RobotGuy | I don't think Lynxmotion would take Hammer though. They are too tied to Basic Micro's Atom MCUs now, although they are coming out with a C programmable Atmel644 based servo controller that can also be programmed for other purposes too. |
| 01:24.31 | sjhill | i'd say chances are slim, but i used to be in the research arm, so i might show it to some guys there |
| 01:24.58 | prpplague | sjhill okie dokie, well give me a shout if you have any questions |
| 01:25.09 | RobotGuy | We are talking about forming a local Hammer User's Group here in the PDX area. |
| 01:25.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy oh? |
| 01:25.21 | RobotGuy | I met Dr{Who} yesterday. |
| 01:25.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, we are talking about it. |
| 01:25.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy i didn't think dr had ordered one yet |
| 01:25.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, he said he is waiting on his now. |
| 01:26.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy he ordered? |
| 01:26.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes. |
| 01:26.33 | RobotGuy | Robert Sheer has his now also. |
| 01:26.43 | prpplague | yea, he's had it for a while |
| 01:26.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy you talked to him much about his hammer dev? |
| 01:27.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, not lately. I'll see Robert at the PARTS meeting next month though. I am trying to get W.A.L.T.E.R. functioning, but alas it may not be with Hammer onboard. |
| 01:28.03 | RobotGuy | I am so darn close to being able to put Hammer on W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 01:28.47 | RobotGuy | It will be simple to convert the carrier board to dual power - walwart or battery. |
| 01:29.21 | RobotGuy | I bought a bunch of 5V and 3.3V regulators. |
| 01:30.13 | RobotGuy | I would be running all the electronics for W.A.L.T.E.R. from a 7.2V @ 2800mAH battery pack. |
| 01:30.39 | RobotGuy | That should keep Hammer computing for awhile. |
| 01:30.52 | prpplague | yea for a good while |
| 01:31.31 | sjhill | prpplague: will do |
| 01:31.37 | RobotGuy | I may use the 2000 mAH pack for the electronics and save the 2800 mAH pack for the motors. |
| 01:31.55 | RobotGuy | Well, that's my goal for Hammer anyways. |
| 01:32.09 | RobotGuy | If I can get the software side of things working for me consistantly. |
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| 01:34.07 | sjhill | http://www.power-sonic.com/site/doc/prod/88.pdf |
| 01:34.16 | sjhill | are these batteries of any value to someone? |
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| 01:36.01 | sjhill | i get them for free from a technician i know |
| 01:37.18 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, less than 5 pounds.. I wonder what sort of payload W.A.L.T.E.R. could handle. |
| 01:38.43 | RobotGuy | I don't see dimensions anywhere. |
| 01:39.12 | RobotGuy | I would not mind trying one of those batteries out. |
| 01:39.31 | RobotGuy | Even if not for a robot, I have another use for one. |
| 01:39.48 | RobotGuy | Is there a specific charger required? |
| 01:41.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I found PyRo. :) http://pyrorobotics.org/ |
| 01:42.49 | RobotGuy | I would love to pair Hammer up with an FPGA. |
| 02:11.41 | RobotGuy | sjhill: What do I need to do to get one or two of those batteries? |
| 02:12.03 | RobotGuy | sjhill: What charger is required for them? |
| 02:14.38 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: what would you use the FPGA for? |
| 02:15.50 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: It's programmable hardware. I2C bus expander, serial ports (never have enough), even an entire soft core microcontroller. |
| 02:16.20 | RobotGuy | Analog inputs, GPIOs, etc. |
| 02:17.05 | RobotGuy | Some soft core microcontrollers can even run full Linux. |
| 02:18.10 | sunrunner20 | um |
| 02:18.11 | sunrunner20 | belive me |
| 02:18.18 | sunrunner20 | i know more about FPGAs than you do |
| 02:18.43 | RobotGuy | This means what? |
| 02:18.47 | SpeedEvil | err. |
| 02:18.54 | SpeedEvil | Few FPGAs have analog inputs. |
| 02:18.54 | sunrunner20 | that you don't need to explain them to me :) |
| 02:19.05 | sunrunner20 | SpeedEvil: few, not none :) |
| 02:19.11 | RobotGuy | You asked what I would use an FPGA for and I answered. |
| 02:19.35 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: that's why I said few. |
| 02:19.48 | sunrunner20 | real thing is |
| 02:19.53 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: FPGAs are programmable and you can have analog inputs on them. |
| 02:20.07 | sunrunner20 | why would you want a fpga soft proc on a hammer board ?? |
| 02:20.28 | RobotGuy | I didn't say I wanted one on a hammer board. |
| 02:20.56 | RobotGuy | I said it is one thing an FPGA can do. Additional processing specific to an application. |
| 02:21.00 | sunrunner20 | I would love to pair Hammer up with an FPGA. |
| 02:21.09 | sunrunner20 | err "[19:42:51] <RobotGuy> I would love to pair Hammer up with an FPGA." |
| 02:21.09 | RobotGuy | Yes, I said that. |
| 02:21.33 | RobotGuy | That does not imply I want a soft core processor on a hammer board though. |
| 02:21.43 | sunrunner20 | reads that way ^_^ |
| 02:21.48 | RobotGuy | No it does not. |
| 02:22.21 | RobotGuy | You are reading way too much into what I wrote. |
| 02:22.32 | RobotGuy | Whatever. |
| 02:27.56 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 02:27.59 | sunrunner20 | if you want to do that |
| 02:30.54 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards/s3esamplepack/ |
| 02:30.59 | sunrunner20 | I would try to find one of those |
| 02:31.34 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I already have it and have tried it and I like the Xilinx stuff. |
| 02:31.40 | sunrunner20 | nice |
| 02:31.55 | sunrunner20 | we had like 5 till my dad had to give them away :\ |
| 02:32.00 | RobotGuy | I've even had the Linux version running. |
| 02:32.15 | RobotGuy | I would love to latch on to a Xilix dev kit. |
| 02:32.31 | sunrunner20 | its good stuff |
| 02:32.47 | RobotGuy | I want the MicroBlaze kit with the 1.6 million gate FPGA. |
| 02:32.49 | sunrunner20 | I could go on for ages about where Xilinx FPGA's have gone |
| 02:33.17 | sunrunner20 | I know for a fact one whent into space |
| 02:33.22 | sunrunner20 | and is now on mars |
| 02:33.34 | RobotGuy | s/ilix/ilinx/ |
| 02:33.46 | RobotGuy | Very cool |
| 02:34.15 | RobotGuy | I think Xilinx is very smart to offer free tools for both Windows and Linux. |
| 02:34.42 | sunrunner20 | yea, they do good work for the hobby peeps |
| 02:34.56 | sunrunner20 | and insane work for the big customers :\ |
| 02:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Currently wishing I could do a memory with embedded processing. |
| 02:35.15 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I have never actually worked with an FPGA, but have done quite a bit of research on them (Xilinx, Actel, Altera, Lattice). I've also gone through tutorials using the software. |
| 02:35.38 | sunrunner20 | I would stick w/ Xilinx... They invented them afterall |
| 02:35.42 | SpeedEvil | (256*1024 'image' - and want to be able to draw fast curves between points. |
| 02:36.03 | RobotGuy | I am sticking with Xilinx. It seems to be far the best road for FPFA stuff. |
| 02:36.17 | sunrunner20 | my only issue with them |
| 02:36.30 | sunrunner20 | is that the IDE needs to be murdered every now and then |
| 02:36.33 | sunrunner20 | memory leaks :\ |
| 02:36.37 | sunrunner20 | stupid java |
| 02:36.43 | RobotGuy | There are some very cool FPGA boards also, from XESS (www.xess.com) and KNJN (www.knjn.com). |
| 02:37.07 | SpeedEvil | Say 10GP/s. |
| 02:37.52 | sunrunner20 | xilinx has a fractal demo |
| 02:39.04 | sunrunner20 | anyways, its ironic, the FPGA that I know of on mars is inside a mass spectrometer |
| 02:39.06 | RobotGuy | For me, FPGAs will have to wait quite awhile though. I have plenty to learn about and work with right now. |
| 02:39.16 | SpeedEvil | 'has a demo' and 'I can code it' is a bit different though :) |
| 02:39.18 | RobotGuy | Hammer is very important to me. |
| 02:39.32 | sunrunner20 | SpeedEvil: I'm willing to bet that the code is avalable |
| 02:39.41 | sunrunner20 | its a sample, so it should be |
| 02:39.56 | SpeedEvil | sub: code may well be available. |
| 02:40.22 | sunrunner20 | sub: if its not on the site, I'll see if i can get it to you :) |
| 02:40.27 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: the code I'd be needing would be very very custom though - it's not a normal fractal thing. |
| 02:40.44 | sunrunner20 | can't help with that, can help with the code for fractals |
| 02:40.58 | sunrunner20 | probally has a MPU |
| 02:41.01 | sunrunner20 | in it |
| 02:41.06 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: I basically want to pass the FPGA a time-series of points, and have it draw smooth lines between them. Which gets complex. |
| 02:42.01 | RobotGuy | I hate it when distros separate the dev stuff from the libraries, although I do understand there reason for doing it. I just don't agree with it. |
| 02:45.03 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: It sounds like you need an FPGA that has DSP blocks. I think the Xilinx Spartan 3A has DSP if I remember correctly. |
| 02:45.21 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: DSP isn't it. |
| 02:45.48 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: I need on the order of 10Gpixels/s drawing rate |
| 02:45.53 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Computation is by the sounds of it. :) |
| 02:46.08 | RobotGuy | DSP can do computation as well as signal processing. |
| 02:46.18 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: but very very simple computation. |
| 02:46.29 | sunrunner20 | DSP and FPGA overlap somewhat |
| 02:46.55 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: That may be true, but speed may be an issue also. Lots of simple calcs can take a lot of time. |
| 02:47.23 | sunrunner20 | go go task splitting :) |
| 02:47.24 | RobotGuy | The smoother you want the curves, the more calcs you are going to require. |
| 02:47.28 | SpeedEvil | I really want I suspect either multiple stupid 'DSPs' and small memory blocks tied into one, or actually embedded drawing hardware intot he RAM. |
| 02:49.44 | SpeedEvil | (it's for a digital scope) |
| 02:49.46 | RobotGuy | My head is starting to hurt so I am going to exit for a bit. I will be back later probably. |
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| 03:49.22 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Is it a digital oscilliscope you want to build? |
| 03:49.36 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: yeah |
| 03:50.13 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: That is something I want to do also, and it is one reason I want to learn about FPGAs. Have you looked at www.knjn.com ? |
| 03:50.25 | RobotGuy | Or www.xess.com ? |
| 03:52.51 | RobotGuy | I am very interested in any digital scope project. |
| 03:54.45 | RobotGuy | I have a toolchain build going on my server. |
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| 03:59.18 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that to do it right is complex. |
| 03:59.36 | RobotGuy | You mean build a toolchain? |
| 03:59.50 | RobotGuy | I installed buildroot for Hammer on my server. |
| 03:59.53 | SpeedEvil | doing a simple 'sample and export data after a trigger to PC' is trivial. |
| 04:00.24 | RobotGuy | You in the right window, SpeedEvil ? |
| 04:00.47 | SpeedEvil | you said something about scopes, I was replying to that. |
| 04:01.42 | RobotGuy | Ahh, OK, just making sure because I am on the other channel also. :D |
| 04:02.28 | RobotGuy | On KNJN, they have a simple digital scope project. It might be something you can build on. |
| 04:04.41 | SpeedEvil | The actual sampling is 'easy' - even at say a couple of hundred MHz. The hard part is going from the sampler to a 'conventional' oscilloscope that does a good impression of ana analog scope. |
| 04:08.32 | RobotGuy | True. There is software involved, for sure. |
| 04:11.00 | SpeedEvil | It's not really software in the extreme cases - the software - with any general purpose sprocessor - can't do the sums. You need to write pixels to a virtual buffer at 100* or more the samplerate - and the samplerate may be 500MHz |
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| 04:12.47 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I think that's one area the FPGA comes in for, |
| 04:12.58 | RobotGuy | Programmable hardware. |
| 04:13.26 | RobotGuy | Have you seen OpenCores www.opencores.org and FreeCores www.freecores.org? |
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| 04:30.16 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, I can't get a toolchain to build on either one of my systems. |
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| 11:00.56 | RobotGuy | Greetings |
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| 13:13.31 | RobotGuy | Hi sjhill |
| 13:13.40 | sjhill | Hello |
| 13:13.55 | sjhill | I have 3 of those batteries currently |
| 13:14.01 | RobotGuy | Neat. |
| 13:14.16 | RobotGuy | What does it take to charge them? |
| 13:14.20 | sjhill | with regards to charging them, I have no idea what the power supply looks like |
| 13:14.33 | sjhill | you'll have to dig for that information i'm afraid |
| 13:14.41 | RobotGuy | I can do that. |
| 13:15.06 | RobotGuy | I have an interest in using one for external stuff on my power wheelchair. |
| 13:15.46 | RobotGuy | We have a Batteries Plus store here where I live and if anyone can find out, they can. |
| 13:16.20 | sjhill | i have other sizes too |
| 13:16.44 | RobotGuy | I'm interested in 12V easy to charge batteries, but might be interested in others too. |
| 13:16.50 | sjhill | if you send me email at <sjhill@realitydiluted.com> i can send you all of the batterries i have |
| 13:17.00 | sjhill | i'll look at them tonight |
| 13:17.16 | RobotGuy | I will send some mail your way now. |
| 13:17.25 | sjhill | sounds good |
| 13:18.26 | RobotGuy | Youv'e got mail. ;) |
| 13:20.11 | RobotGuy | I'm designing a computer and lighting controller for my power wheelchair. I've nearly been hit 4 times this year already by people not watching where they are driving. |
| 13:20.13 | sjhill | loans for small business? |
| 13:20.16 | sjhill | wait, that's spam |
| 13:20.25 | sjhill | got it |
| 13:20.27 | RobotGuy | That would not be me. |
| 13:20.29 | RobotGuy | Good |
| 13:20.30 | sjhill | :P |
| 13:20.40 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: HID light kits cheap - http://www.dealextreme.com/ |
| 13:20.50 | SpeedEvil | 35W HID - $100/2 |
| 13:22.58 | RobotGuy | I had three blinking lights (one each side and a tail light, plus two white poles with orange flags) and still it seems people could not see me sometimes.' |
| 13:26.49 | RobotGuy | It would be real hard to miss me with those HID lights. :) |
| 13:27.00 | RobotGuy | I mean real hard not to see me. |
| 13:27.03 | RobotGuy | :D |
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| 14:28.10 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:30.22 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 14:37.30 | RobotGuy | Good morning |
| 14:37.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 14:40.30 | RobotGuy | I am having trouble staying away from buildroot like I was planning. |
| 14:51.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 14:51.37 | RobotGuy | I really want all this to work. |
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| 14:56.07 | sorphin | RobotGuy: wouldn't work. I work in the telecommunications industry ;) |
| 14:56.20 | RobotGuy | sorphin: Ahhhhhh, durn. |
| 14:56.41 | sorphin | RobotGuy: as a sysadmin, no less |
| 14:57.02 | RobotGuy | sorphin: I do my own sysadmin stuff on my very small network. |
| 14:57.22 | RobotGuy | I still have to do the same kinds of stuff, just on a smaller scale. |
| 14:58.21 | sorphin | RobotGuy: i've been doing it long before ever doing it for a living ;) |
| 14:58.28 | sorphin | prpplague: luserlan |
| 14:58.30 | sorphin | +d |
| 14:58.56 | RobotGuy | sorphin: I can't remember when I have not had my own network. I have 8 static IPs now. |
| 14:59.38 | sorphin | and? |
| 15:00.02 | RobotGuy | I have 6 MB/768 KB DSL and run my own server(s). |
| 15:00.21 | RobotGuy | DNS, web, database, etc. |
| 15:00.37 | RobotGuy | Why? |
| 15:00.50 | RobotGuy | I have 12 domains now. |
| 15:01.19 | sorphin | moved on to other things, after doing that crap for 15 years |
| 15:01.24 | sorphin | it gets kinda boring ;) |
| 15:01.41 | RobotGuy | I have to call my ISP and find out why they haven't got .mobi domains working yet. |
| 15:02.04 | sorphin | back when ISDN was the thing |
| 15:02.11 | RobotGuy | Yes, it does, but I find new things to do, like running a couple IRC servers and trying to get them to connect. |
| 15:02.20 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:02.25 | RobotGuy | I remember when broadband meant ISDN. |
| 15:03.44 | sorphin | right |
| 15:04.20 | RobotGuy | I still haven't got services connected to my IRCDs and they still don't link. |
| 15:04.56 | sorphin | the other reason why i dropped it |
| 15:05.18 | RobotGuy | Neet. I run primary DNS for my 12 domains and my ISP runs secondary. |
| 15:05.19 | agaffney | I was going to look into that |
| 15:05.25 | agaffney | getting "naked" dsl |
| 15:05.34 | sorphin | and they don't offer it on statics |
| 15:05.40 | RobotGuy | What do you consider "naked" DSL? |
| 15:05.43 | sorphin | agaffney: $28.99 |
| 15:05.47 | sorphin | RobotGuy: dryline |
| 15:05.53 | agaffney | RobotGuy: no dial tone |
| 15:05.53 | sorphin | no voice signal |
| 15:05.55 | sorphin | just dsl |
| 15:06.10 | agaffney | I want to drop my data/voice from charter |
| 15:06.14 | RobotGuy | sorphin: I do not have a phone on my line. Just DSL. |
| 15:06.16 | agaffney | they're too damn expensive |
| 15:06.21 | agaffney | $80/$30 |
| 15:06.35 | agaffney | and do naked DSL and the vonage basic plan |
| 15:06.39 | sorphin | agaffney: i use my BB |
| 15:06.50 | agaffney | BB? |
| 15:06.55 | RobotGuy | I'm not sure what I have would be considered naked DSL though. |
| 15:06.57 | sorphin | (blackberry curve) |
| 15:07.09 | agaffney | I have no need for a home phone |
| 15:07.12 | agaffney | but the wife wants one |
| 15:07.27 | RobotGuy | My only phone is my cell phone. Been that way for years. |
| 15:08.17 | sorphin | brb |
| 15:09.15 | RobotGuy | I don't have a wife to want stuff. |
| 15:09.46 | agaffney | I never use the home phone |
| 15:09.55 | agaffney | my cell phone has been sufficient for a long time |
| 15:10.18 | RobotGuy | I have to have a phone I can take where ever I go. |
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| 15:12.43 | sorphin | agaffney: we never used our home phone, so we dropped it and both me and the wife got BBs |
| 15:12.48 | RobotGuy | Oh, I posted a bunch of new pictures of W.A.L.T.E.R. v2.0 |
| 15:12.51 | sorphin | nice having net access anywhere |
| 15:13.13 | RobotGuy | I want a Moto Q or maybe a Pantech Duo. |
| 15:13.15 | agaffney | die :P |
| 15:13.40 | RobotGuy | I am tired of this Nokia 6600 I have had for almost 4 years. |
| 15:16.03 | RobotGuy | The AT&T Tilt has WiFi, but you need at least a $39.95/month data plan on top of your regular phone package, and GPS service is another $10/month. |
| 15:16.17 | RobotGuy | I et lost and disoriented really easily |
| 15:16.23 | RobotGuy | s/et/get/ |
| 15:16.45 | RobotGuy | Thanks purl. :D |
| 15:18.44 | sorphin | RobotGuy: i pay $19.99/month for hotspot@home |
| 15:18.55 | sorphin | wifi calling from anywhere, doesn't touch my minutes |
| 15:19.09 | RobotGuy | sorphin: That is cool. I wonder if I could get that. |
| 15:19.16 | sorphin | RobotGuy: t-mobile |
| 15:19.21 | RobotGuy | YUCK |
| 15:19.26 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:19.35 | sorphin | i'm almost never off wifi |
| 15:19.47 | sorphin | so barely touch my minutes |
| 15:20.15 | RobotGuy | I have over 3000 minutes built up now so I don't even worry about that |
| 15:20.39 | sorphin | rollover eh? |
| 15:20.47 | RobotGuy | So, how about that Hammer.. :D |
| 15:21.05 | sorphin | and a Spoon! |
| 15:21.11 | sorphin | oh, wait. |
| 15:21.16 | sorphin | There is no Spoon. |
| 15:21.51 | RobotGuy | Hey! |
| 15:22.13 | sorphin | RobotGuy: You're lucky it wasn't the ClueBat(tm) ;) |
| 15:22.17 | RobotGuy | There is #spoon. :D |
| 15:22.29 | sorphin | ~cluebat RobotGuy |
| 15:22.30 | purl | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps RobotGuy. |
| 15:22.47 | RobotGuy | ~whaleslap sorphin |
| 15:22.47 | purl | ACTION beats sorphin upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 15:22.47 | sorphin | purl: danke |
| 15:23.00 | sorphin | ~fishslap robotguy |
| 15:23.01 | purl | ACTION slaps robotguy up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:23.05 | RobotGuy | You go purl! |
| 15:23.18 | sorphin | purl: test |
| 15:23.19 | purl | Failed! |
| 15:23.22 | sorphin | yay |
| 15:23.48 | RobotGuy | I still don't know all of pur's tricks |
| 15:23.56 | sorphin | RobotGuy: ;) |
| 15:23.56 | RobotGuy | s/pur/purl |
| 15:24.07 | RobotGuy | s/pur/purl/ |
| 15:24.14 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:24.14 | RobotGuy | Ack |
| 15:24.20 | sorphin | it only affects what you last said |
| 15:24.21 | sorphin | :P |
| 15:24.22 | RobotGuy | Bad purl! |
| 15:24.24 | sorphin | n00b |
| 15:24.25 | sorphin | no |
| 15:24.28 | sorphin | bad Robotguy |
| 15:24.36 | RobotGuy | I am good! :P |
| 15:25.16 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 15:27.28 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: May I have a link to these pictures? |
| 15:28.36 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: (I'm assuming this is a robot...) |
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| 15:30.37 | RobotGuy | Sure! www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter In the Version 2.0 section. Yes, it's a robot. :D |
| 15:31.09 | RobotGuy | I need a new controller board for W.A.L.T.E.R. though. |
| 15:31.21 | RobotGuy | And three servos for the front arm. |
| 15:32.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: fakeroot is up to v1.9.3 now and build fine. |
| 15:36.34 | ce_geek | I have a question about USB devices in embedded Linux environments. Is it sufficient that the device has Linux support, or are there more criteria? |
| 15:36.47 | SpeedEvil | _generally_. |
| 15:36.54 | SpeedEvil | Tehre are as always caveats. |
| 15:36.58 | ce_geek | I've got a USB webcam I'd like to use with the Hammer board. It runs great on a PC running Linux, wondering if it will work. |
| 15:37.02 | SpeedEvil | Stuff like ndiswrapper can't work. |
| 15:37.05 | ce_geek | Right |
| 15:37.10 | ce_geek | That makes sense. |
| 15:37.12 | SpeedEvil | on many embedded platforms, as they are not x86 |
| 15:37.26 | ce_geek | This camera for example I think uses the gspca driver. |
| 15:37.28 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It depends on whether the driver for it is in the ARM codebase. |
| 15:37.37 | SpeedEvil | Some drivers break on platforms with different endiannesses. |
| 15:37.56 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise, it should in principle 'just work'. |
| 15:38.04 | RobotGuy | My webcam works with Linux, but the driver is not in the 2.6.22 kernel. |
| 15:39.32 | RobotGuy | Same for my USB WiFi adapter. That is in 2.6.24 though. |
| 15:40.04 | ce_geek | USB wifi has always been a headache in Linux, in my experience. Tricky to find stuff with good support without ndiswrapper. |
| 15:40.36 | ce_geek | So, given a webcam, and the driver it uses, where should I go look to make sure it's in the ARM codebase and ought to work? |
| 15:41.22 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Do "make menuconfig" and look in the Video For Linux (V4L) section. |
| 15:41.36 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: you can mail it to me, and I'll see if it works :) |
| 15:42.11 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: Thanks :). I'ma take a look, and then maybe you can confirm my finding. |
| 15:42.20 | RobotGuy | ~fishslap SpeedEvil |
| 15:42.21 | purl | ACTION slaps SpeedEvil up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 15:42.26 | RobotGuy | :P |
| 15:42.47 | SpeedEvil | It was a serious offer! :) |
| 15:43.08 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I need to do this with the source shipped with the Hammer board, or can I just do it with the Linux kernel source? |
| 15:43.20 | adyer | SpeedEvil: just post your address, we'll send you stuff :-) |
| 15:43.28 | ce_geek | HAHA |
| 15:43.31 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Source for Hammer Board |
| 15:43.39 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay. |
| 15:46.30 | SpeedEvil | Oh well - off to convert a soundcard into a bad scope. |
| 15:46.36 | SpeedEvil | Take that coupling capacitors! |
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| 15:46.54 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Greetings |
| 15:47.02 | sorphin | ce_geek: free hw? hehe |
| 15:47.03 | SpeedEvil | CosmicPenguin: gratings. |
| 15:47.38 | sorphin | niugnePcimsoC: lo |
| 15:47.40 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Did you look at KNJN and XESS? |
| 15:48.40 | CosmicPenguin | http://linuxplumbersconf.org/microconfs/ |
| 15:48.48 | sorphin | SpeedEvil:err |
| 15:48.53 | sorphin | dammit |
| 15:48.59 | sorphin | i hate nickcompletion |
| 15:49.09 | sorphin | SpeedEvil: ignore that |
| 15:49.14 | RobotGuy | I will be there somewhere, hiding from prpplague. :D |
| 15:49.28 | sorphin | RobotGuy: Everyone hides from prpplague ;) |
| 15:49.38 | sorphin | unless he's buying alcohol |
| 15:49.41 | sorphin | :) |
| 15:49.44 | Mirell | Huh, I'm opped now. |
| 15:49.53 | sorphin | Mirell: yes, you are |
| 15:49.56 | sorphin | scary innit ;) |
| 15:49.58 | ce_geek | Anyone familiar with the Open Source Motor Controller? |
| 15:50.02 | Mirell | Heh, *shrug* |
| 15:50.30 | sorphin | Mirell: dave added a couple more ops last night since some of us aren't around all the time |
| 15:50.31 | ce_geek | Just wondering if people have used it for robot stuff. I have not, but eying it as a suitable replacement for an existing solution. |
| 15:50.37 | Mirell | sorphin: Ahh |
| 15:50.41 | sorphin | because of fishboy |
| 15:50.48 | Mirell | AKA, flyback?> |
| 15:50.51 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: yes - they don't really interest me so much - a proper 'digital phosphor' scope is much harder. |
| 15:50.52 | sorphin | yes |
| 15:51.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: kit shipped last friday |
| 15:51.16 | sorphin | Mirell: someone needs to hook him to a flyback xformer and keep it turned on :P |
| 15:51.21 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That's a major controller.. |
| 15:51.23 | prpplague | ce_geek: there is an olimex enc28j60 included in the package |
| 15:51.42 | adyer | sorphin: I think meds are in order |
| 15:51.44 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin! |
| 15:51.49 | sorphin | adyer: he dropped off his meds |
| 15:52.04 | sorphin | adyer: not that he was much use even on meds |
| 15:52.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: morning jordan |
| 15:52.22 | CosmicPenguin | how you doin? |
| 15:52.27 | RobotGuy | He was kicked off ##electronics yesterday |
| 15:52.36 | ohsix | i'm around on the wee hours he tends to blather about, i'd relish the opportunity to "assist" :] |
| 15:52.53 | RobotGuy | I am around whenever I am not sleeping. |
| 15:53.17 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hanging in there, busy busy.. switched groups.. i'm done w/ network security. I'm just a lowly sysadmin again over too many machines :) |
| 15:53.25 | ohsix | that guy gets around, i've known of him for years and years all over efnet |
| 15:53.30 | sorphin | ohsix: you're still around eh? lol |
| 15:53.49 | ohsix | he joins channels like #wrestling, #windows, talks in /amsg and /ame :P |
| 15:53.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: That is _awesome_. Thank you. |
| 15:53.49 | sorphin | ohsix: yeah, trolls spread like fungus ;) |
| 15:54.34 | prpplague | sorphin: thanks |
| 15:54.36 | ohsix | he's not so much a troll as a guy with some real annoying mental tendancies |
| 15:54.53 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: nothing lowly about a good sysadmin |
| 15:55.01 | RobotGuy | For sure! |
| 15:55.21 | sorphin | ohsix: or lack there of ;) |
| 15:55.27 | ohsix | the end effect is the same though :\ (but he's more persistent in a pathetic maddeningly annoying way too) |
| 15:55.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 15:56.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: how's you and stacee? |
| 15:57.16 | CosmicPenguin | well - did you hear we had our first child? |
| 15:58.03 | prpplague | sorphin: cosmic has sprouted a child process |
| 15:58.27 | sorphin | eek |
| 15:58.30 | adyer | he forked? |
| 15:58.49 | prpplague | adyer: no, he was forked when he got married! hehehe |
| 15:59.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: congrats (if you were wanting one, i'm assuming) |
| 15:59.26 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:59.27 | sorphin | prpplague: so were you |
| 15:59.37 | CosmicPenguin | yep - we're happy she is here |
| 15:59.37 | prpplague | sorphin: indeed |
| 15:59.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: name? |
| 16:01.00 | CosmicPenguin | Lynzee |
| 16:01.07 | CosmicPenguin | Pictures and videos and such at our website |
| 16:02.09 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: interesting way to spell it.. I notice an 'ee' thing like Stacee though :) |
| 16:02.16 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I'm doing the make menuconfig thing in the source tree for the hammer. Went to Device Drivers -> Multimedia Devices -> V4L. Selected V4L, but I don't see anything specific listed for drivers.... Just some capture stuff and radio stuff |
| 16:02.48 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: The driver my camera uses is gspcav1... doesn't look good. |
| 16:03.07 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: oh no....not a non-standard spelling of a common name :P |
| 16:03.10 | sorphin | ce_geek: port it? :) |
| 16:03.21 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: if it's an out-of-tree driver, you'll need to see if it'll build on arm |
| 16:03.24 | agaffney | it's Lindsay, damn it! :P |
| 16:04.14 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: I'll have to read up on how to do that. Is there anything I can do to find out if it will work, or is it something you just try and cross your fingers? |
| 16:04.23 | sorphin | agaffney: careful, or i'll start making fun of you because your 'agaffney' reminds me of an instructor i had in college who was a complete tard, who's name was 'alan gaffney' ;) |
| 16:04.24 | adyer | ce_geek: you might have a look in the kernel config files where the driver lives and see what it needs selected in order to be available for build |
| 16:04.36 | CosmicPenguin | agaffney: yeah, well - I just raise the children, I don't name them |
| 16:05.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ah, left the naming to stacee? |
| 16:05.18 | agaffney | stacee? *another* non-standard spelling :P |
| 16:05.19 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: http://mxhaard.free.fr/embedded.html |
| 16:05.53 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: Thanks for the link. |
| 16:06.59 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: typically, the 'right' solution for the future is to look for USB video class webcems. |
| 16:08.01 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: Noted. I'm just wondering how much of the really old junk on the existing robot will work. It's a department project, and getting them to spend money is like pulling teeth :-/ |
| 16:08.14 | SpeedEvil | These have 'driverless' or 'driver free' on the box typically, and can all use the UVC driver in linux. However, I don't think it's in tree yet. they're avaialble up to 2MP and 10FPS for 50 quid or so |
| 16:08.44 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: oh cool. |
| 16:09.11 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: There are some camera drivers in the 2.6.22 kernel tree. |
| 16:09.21 | adyer | SpeedEvil: umm, for us ignorant of the UK - what is a quid? |
| 16:09.33 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah I'm trying to see where they're listed, still poking. |
| 16:09.37 | SpeedEvil | a pound sterling. |
| 16:09.42 | SpeedEvil | Worth about 2 US dollars |
| 16:10.32 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Look under V4L USB Devices |
| 16:11.13 | RobotGuy | Even my cheapy Quickcam Messenger is supported. |
| 16:11.14 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.28 | SpeedEvil | for example - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128205 |
| 16:11.56 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: That's the one I want and it is supposedly compatible with Linux. |
| 16:12.07 | SpeedEvil | the UVC is the key |
| 16:12.18 | SpeedEvil | In principle, all UVC cameras should work. |
| 16:12.18 | ce_geek | Cool. |
| 16:12.35 | RobotGuy | I don't think the driver is in the 2.6.22 kernel tree though. |
| 16:12.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: is this a usb device? |
| 16:12.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: yeah |
| 16:13.08 | SpeedEvil | It's not in the tree - yet, no. |
| 16:13.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: the best way to start with a usb device is to check the linux usb database, one sec url |
| 16:13.42 | prpplague | http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ |
| 16:13.50 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: then the makers change the device under you without changing the box. Which can be annoying. /me hopes UVC becomes more common |
| 16:13.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can search by the vendor and product id |
| 16:14.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed, thats why i always look at the id numbers |
| 16:14.24 | ce_geek | prpplague: It works in Linux, just wondering if it will work on the hammer board. |
| 16:14.44 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh, if it works under linux, there is a very high probablity it works fine under arm |
| 16:15.13 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: looking at ID numbers from a website can be tricky :) |
| 16:15.21 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 16:15.34 | SpeedEvil | I mean - a website selling cameras |
| 16:15.39 | SpeedEvil | webcams |
| 16:15.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: oh, indeed, you can't trust any of that |
| 16:16.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: which driver is it? |
| 16:16.18 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Pfft, I see it now. Thx. |
| 16:16.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: gspcav1 |
| 16:18.01 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: simply googling 'yourdriver' kernel arm |
| 16:18.06 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: may reveal stuff |
| 16:18.32 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: that works too :) |
| 16:19.03 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: The website you sent probably has all the answers, still digging around there. There's a few things I'll have to learn. |
| 16:19.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea just ran a compile against the hammer tree, it compiles with no problems |
| 16:19.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: Jeez. You just now downloaded the source and tried it? |
| 16:19.38 | SpeedEvil | compiles - usually - means will work |
| 16:19.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea |
| 16:19.50 | prpplague | ce_geek: of course i don't have a camera to test with |
| 16:19.55 | prpplague | ce_geek: but it compiled |
| 16:20.02 | SpeedEvil | does it load? |
| 16:20.12 | SpeedEvil | Oh never mind, that'd be tricky usually to test |
| 16:20.24 | ce_geek | prpplague: Sweet. Thanks for trying. I've got to set up my software environment for compiling arm stuff and play with that sort of thing. |
| 16:20.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: the cd you'll get with the hammer includes a complete build environment: buildroto |
| 16:21.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: the cd you'll get with the hammer includes a complete build environment: buildroot |
| 16:21.01 | sorphin | ~google 'yourdriver' kernel arm |
| 16:21.02 | sorphin | lol |
| 16:21.12 | ce_geek | The good news is, since this project is a huge part of my grade, I have to document the hell out of it, so everything I've figured out I'll write about. I'll send the pdf when I'm done with the class. |
| 16:21.15 | sorphin | prpplague: buildroto? |
| 16:21.16 | sorphin | lol |
| 16:21.44 | prpplague | ce_geek: great, feel free to use the wiki as a collecting point for your information |
| 16:22.05 | sorphin | RotoPlague that's the name, and away go ARM troubles down the drain. RotoPlague. |
| 16:22.08 | ce_geek | prpplague: Will do. It'll probably be a link to a .pdf |
| 16:22.54 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: if you can, integrating the core of the text into the wiki - even as a straight cut and paste also is better. |
| 16:23.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh ok, well when you send me your pdf i'll just cut-n-paste the info into the wiki and reference your pdf if thats ok |
| 16:23.11 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: external websites may go down, ... |
| 16:23.51 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe. most of us here are big wiki users |
| 16:23.55 | ce_geek | Either way, that's fine with me. Just trying to be careful with promises, not sure I'll have time to do a super nice looking wiki document in addition to my report. |
| 16:24.14 | ce_geek | I'm in LaTeX mode this semester..... trying to pump out a thesis so I can graduate and get the hell out. |
| 16:24.23 | Mirell | Mmm, LaTeX. |
| 16:24.43 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:24.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: no problem, the wiki doesn't have to be that formated. its more of a place to keep notes, kinda of like writing stuff down on post its |
| 16:24.45 | sorphin | No Comment. |
| 16:25.00 | sorphin | ce_geek: we don't want to know about your fetishes in here.. lol |
| 16:25.08 | ce_geek | sorphin: Haha. |
| 16:30.18 | prpplague | ce_geek: well, when you get to the point where you need some input on some class experiments and such, let me know |
| 16:31.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: i hope your bud chocobo isn't cross with me that i only was able to get one kit |
| 16:32.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I couldn't build a C++ toolchain on my other system either. |
| 16:36.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why? |
| 16:38.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No idea other than it has some problem finding libstdc++ (I think that's the correct name). |
| 16:38.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can you pastebin.ca the log? |
| 16:39.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will have to rebuild to get the messages again. I forgot to save them as I usually do. |
| 16:39.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you've not did a make clean |
| 16:40.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: all you have to do is type make again |
| 16:40.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it will stop at the same place |
| 16:41.10 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh absolutely not. We understand, that's perfectly fine. We're grateful for what you were able to get for us. |
| 16:41.32 | ce_geek | prpplague: Will do for experiment ideas and such. |
| 16:41.47 | Mirell | Chocobo! |
| 16:41.57 | Mirell | Kwark! |
| 16:41.59 | Mirell | </FF> |
| 16:42.02 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea i got to thinking that chocobo was the one that started asking about the hammer, and i ended up talking to you about it |
| 16:42.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: on of those geek/nerd things, you tend to not think about social concepts too well :( |
| 16:43.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: Haha. I'm the student taking the class, chocobo is the resourceful one that thought to look for ARM resources on IRC to help with the project. |
| 16:43.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: He'll get to play with it too, but I'm the one that needs to do the project for the class. |
| 16:43.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh ok good then |
| 16:44.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I had to start a new build on quark. |
| 16:44.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: quark? |
| 16:44.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's my server. |
| 16:44.39 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:44.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: quark is only a 733 Mhz P3 |
| 16:45.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: shouldn't be too bad then |
| 16:45.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's decent, but only has 192 MB of RAM |
| 16:55.28 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: What do you use for motors? I'm interested in some DC motors with shaft encoders. |
| 16:56.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: GMH-04 motors I got from Lynxmotion, but they are discontinuing all 7.2V motors. :( |
| 16:56.26 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I have to find my pair of shaft encoders for them. |
| 16:56.52 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: :( |
| 16:56.58 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: We can talk more about robots on #robotics if you like. |
| 16:57.06 | sorphin | RobotGuy: heh |
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| 17:02.00 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Ok. |
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| 17:20.21 | RobotGuy | Woo Hoo! I got a C++ toolchain! |
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| 18:02.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Will the same toolchain I use to build software for Hammer also build for ARM7? |
| 18:03.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: both the arm7 and arm9 use the armv4t instruction set, so yes |
| 18:03.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool! |
| 18:03.44 | RobotGuy | I thought that would be the case. |
| 18:04.18 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hi |
| 18:04.27 | chouimat|work | sorry kind of loaded today ... |
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| 18:26.21 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 18:26.36 | landley | Morning. |
| 18:26.45 | landley | Kernel patches? :) |
| 18:27.15 | prpplague | landley: working on those now, i'm testing against 2.6.24 |
| 18:27.21 | prpplague | landley: that ok with you? |
| 18:27.54 | landley | That's fine. |
| 18:28.15 | prpplague | landley: or do you want it against the 2.6.25-rc's ? |
| 18:28.51 | landley | I can work with either, but I couldn't use 2.6.25-rc2 in FWL. |
| 18:29.12 | prpplague | landley: ahh, ok i'll stick with 2.6.24 then |
| 18:29.28 | landley | Still tracking down why, but I head to Houston to start a new 5 month contract tomorrow evening, and have to come back here this weekend to help Fade move everything into the condo. |
| 18:29.28 | prpplague | landley: you look at the clear tube case for the nail on the wiki page? |
| 18:29.33 | landley | So I'm a touch swamped at present. :) |
| 18:29.36 | landley | I saw that. |
| 18:29.37 | landley | Nice. |
| 18:29.50 | prpplague | landley: you like it? |
| 18:30.02 | landley | Yup. |
| 18:30.19 | landley | Still needs a shorter (4-6 inch) USB cord to go with it. |
| 18:30.31 | prpplague | landley: okie dokie, i've got a case ready for you today, so i'll ship it to you |
| 18:30.32 | landley | I found a short one around here, but it turns out to be the "small" usb connector. |
| 18:30.40 | landley | Cool. Thanks. |
| 18:30.44 | prpplague | landley: ok, i'll see what i can find |
| 18:31.07 | prpplague | landley: hehe how about a retractable one? |
| 18:31.23 | landley | Not quite sure how that would work. |
| 18:32.07 | RobotGuy | Does all this mean we are closer to getting a kernel that has the ralink driver in the tree? |
| 18:32.29 | landley | RobotGuy: maybe? What's a ralink driver? |
| 18:32.47 | RobotGuy | The driver for the Edimax USB WiFI adapter I have. |
| 18:32.59 | RobotGuy | It's in 2.6.24 |
| 18:33.16 | prpplague | landley: http://www.ziplinq.com/retractable-cable-usb.html |
| 18:38.59 | landley | prpplague: possibly. ) |
| 18:39.25 | RobotGuy | BTW, I got a working C++ toolchain now. :D |
| 18:39.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea i heard, what was the problem? |
| 18:39.55 | prpplague | landley: ok i'll find a shorter cable when i ship the case |
| 18:40.06 | prpplague | landley: good contract deal? |
| 18:40.14 | RobotGuy | You don't want the top C++ option. Just the second one with libstdc++ |
| 18:40.32 | landley | prpplague: my new one? Reasonable contract deal. |
| 18:40.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which top c++ option are you refering to? |
| 18:40.38 | prpplague | landley: linux work? |
| 18:40.49 | RobotGuy | The first C++ option in the Toolchain Options |
| 18:40.50 | landley | prpplague: of course. :) |
| 18:41.00 | RobotGuy | You don't want that one enabled. |
| 18:41.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which top c++ option are you refering to? |
| 18:41.27 | RobotGuy | I thought I had done a toolchain with both enabled, but I think I was wrong. |
| 18:42.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when you want to refer to an option in the config, highlight the item as if you are going to select it, then select help |
| 18:42.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: In Toolchain Options, do NOT enable the C++ cross compiler support |
| 18:42.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: at the top of the help screen will be listed the actuall config name |
| 18:43.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when you enable the option you are refering to, what does it do? |
| 18:43.10 | RobotGuy | BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX should NOT be enabled for a C++ toolchain. |
| 18:43.52 | RobotGuy | BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP needs to be enabled. |
| 18:44.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i always build mine with cross cxx support |
| 18:44.37 | RobotGuy | I am verifiying this by building a new toolchain on quark now. |
| 18:44.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when you have that enabled what problem do you have? |
| 18:45.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There are problems finding libstdc++ |
| 18:45.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is there an error during the build? |
| 18:45.50 | RobotGuy | The build fails because of that |
| 18:46.14 | RobotGuy | I will have to redo that type of build to get you the exact messages. |
| 18:46.34 | RobotGuy | It should be easily reproduceable though. |
| 18:47.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: like i said, i've built literally hundreds of builds in the last two weeks and never seen an error |
| 18:47.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so if you can pastebin the error we can look at it |
| 18:47.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you have both of those options enabled? |
| 18:47.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, thats my default config |
| 18:47.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will redo the failing build and save the errors. |
| 18:48.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmm, I thought I had built a toolchain with both enabled also. |
| 18:48.33 | RobotGuy | I forgot to save the errors on the last failed build, sorry. |
| 18:49.00 | RobotGuy | I know I can reproduce the failure here. |
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| 19:25.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just started a toolchain build that should fail as I described. I just copied my buildroot to a different name and am building on that. |
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| 19:35.20 | wmat | prpplague: you didn't do the db merge yet, right? |
| 19:39.04 | RobotGuy | wmat: Hi! |
| 19:41.22 | wmat | RobotGuy: hello |
| 19:41.58 | RobotGuy | wmat: Is CodeSorcery affordable yet? ;) |
| 19:42.16 | landley | Define "affordable". |
| 19:42.32 | RobotGuy | landley: Under $250.00 |
| 19:42.40 | RobotGuy | With support |
| 19:42.41 | wmat | RobotGuy: it always has been ;) |
| 19:43.29 | RobotGuy | Not at $399.00 with no support. I can not afford that. I wish I could because I would like to support CodeSorcery. |
| 19:43.45 | landley | For what? |
| 19:44.01 | RobotGuy | landley: C++ compiler/etc for ARM |
| 19:44.38 | landley | Um, gcc isn't good enough? |
| 19:45.22 | RobotGuy | landley: Yes, of course it is, but I have toolchain issues. |
| 19:45.37 | RobotGuy | landley: Or maybe more correctly, buildroot issues. |
| 19:45.41 | landley | Well you're trying to use buildroot. |
| 19:45.43 | landley | Exactly. :) |
| 19:46.22 | RobotGuy | I am trying to isolate the problem now. |
| 19:56.09 | prpplague | wmat: no, i've been totally swampped at work |
| 19:57.07 | wmat | prpplague: i know how you feel |
| 19:59.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/917935 This is from quark, with BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX disabled and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP enabled. |
| 20:00.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: right, thats the known error |
| 20:01.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh. Is it going to be fixed? |
| 20:01.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: mkdir /opt/Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot/project_build_arm/walter/root/usr/lib/ |
| 20:01.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: already fixed |
| 20:01.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you've fixed it yourself multiple times |
| 20:01.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: after doing the mkdir, re-run make |
| 20:01.52 | RobotGuy | Oh yeah, the user/lib thing. Dang, I knew about that.. I do that in my scripts so I don't think about it otherwise. |
| 20:03.02 | RobotGuy | ~whaleslap RobotGuy |
| 20:03.02 | purl | ACTION beats RobotGuy upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:03.09 | RobotGuy | Hee hee |
| 20:05.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/917944 This is with both BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP enabled run on intrepid. |
| 20:07.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looks like some sort of path error |
| 20:07.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you did that build from scratch or did you copy it from somehwere and restart it? |
| 20:08.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Copied from my working Buildroot, changed config, deleted toolchain_build build_arm/staging, and project dir, then did make. |
| 20:09.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, that usually breaks the build, buildroot along with almost all cross compilers are path specific |
| 20:09.22 | landley | prpplague: my cross compilers are fully relocatable. :) |
| 20:09.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Carp |
| 20:09.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can't just copy a buildroot from one dir to another without building it |
| 20:09.35 | landley | I spent a longish time getting the wrapper script to work. |
| 20:09.36 | prpplague | landley: oh yea? |
| 20:09.41 | landley | And then had to fix it _again_ on x86-64. :P |
| 20:09.43 | prpplague | landley: cool |
| 20:09.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Even if I removed those dirs? |
| 20:10.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you'd have to do a make distclean and restart |
| 20:10.05 | landley | Basically, the cross compilers I make extract into a directory, ala ~/cross-compiler-i686 |
| 20:10.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Argh. OK |
| 20:10.28 | landley | All the paths are relative to that directory, and the executable figures out where it lives and then assumes it's in "bin" under that directory. |
| 20:10.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that may be why you've had so much trouble |
| 20:10.33 | landley | So you can move the directory anywhere you like. |
| 20:10.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you been moving them around? |
| 20:10.50 | prpplague | landley: that is indeed nice |
| 20:10.56 | prpplague | landley: i've wanted that for a long time |
| 20:12.03 | landley | prpplague: so did I, that's why I built it. :) |
| 20:12.35 | landley | I have tarballs of prebuilt binaries at http://landley.net/code/firmware/downloads/cross-compiler |
| 20:12.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, I don't move them around. |
| 20:12.51 | landley | (Those work under ubuntu 7.10, I should statically link 'em so they don't care about host distro. But I haven't yet.) |
| 20:13.10 | landley | Or you could just use my build scripts to build your own. :) |
| 20:13.17 | RobotGuy | I build in the same place always, for my "production" toolchains |
| 20:13.47 | prpplague | landley: yea i have our end user app guy looking at using tinycc for a handheld app |
| 20:14.00 | prpplague | landley: they are thinking about using the runtime compile mode |
| 20:14.20 | landley | prpplague: the cross compilers I pointed to above are gcc. |
| 20:14.30 | prpplague | landley: oh |
| 20:14.40 | landley | I just found out that the current hg of tinycc segfaults trying to build itself. :P That _used_ to work fine. |
| 20:14.45 | landley | Need to track it down this evening... |
| 20:14.51 | landley | (Yay reproducible test case.) |
| 20:14.52 | prpplague | landley: oh cool |
| 20:15.39 | prpplague | landley: yea, you don't want to know what we are looking to do with tinycc, it might make you vomit, hehe |
| 20:15.55 | landley | prpplague: I have a black belt in ugly and disgusting solutions to impossible problems. |
| 20:16.01 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 20:16.42 | prpplague | landley: windows app that lets the end user select a bunch of operation functions, which generates c code that can be run on the arm handheld |
| 20:16.45 | landley | My tinycc tree has been sadly neglected these past 5 weeks while I worked on FWL and toybox. |
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| 20:17.22 | landley | I'd hoped to get the arm backend plugged into the new build before heading to houston, but... |
| 20:17.46 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 20:17.57 | prpplague | landley: going to have anytime to work with the nail board? |
| 20:18.10 | prpplague | landley: btw, did you get your eval kit shipped? |
| 20:18.21 | prpplague | landley: you were going to send it to someone |
| 20:18.48 | RobotGuy | Who's on first. :) |
| 20:19.27 | landley | Third base. |
| 20:19.41 | landley | prpplague: no, it's in a box in the back of my car. |
| 20:19.52 | landley | It's boxed, but not shipped yet. I'll try to do that this afternoon. |
| 20:20.04 | prpplague | landley: who's it going to ? |
| 20:20.09 | landley | prpplague: I'm taking the nail board with me to houston, but dunno what my schedule looks like yet. |
| 20:20.10 | prpplague | landley: was it dr{who} ? |
| 20:20.19 | prpplague | landley: thats kinda what i figured |
| 20:20.30 | adyer | did anybody check out http://kernelkit.org live CD? was it worthwhile? |
| 20:20.44 | prpplague | landley: you want me to ship the tube case to your austin address or wait till you get settled in houston? |
| 20:20.45 | landley | Sean Matthews, apparently. |
| 20:20.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Dr{Who} said he is getting a hammer kit. |
| 20:20.58 | landley | If you ship it to Austin I can pick it up this weekend. |
| 20:20.59 | RobotGuy | Sean |
| 20:21.02 | landley | I'll be back here on the weekends. |
| 20:21.34 | prpplague | landley: ok, uh wait, aren't moving this weekend too? |
| 20:21.44 | landley | Yup. |
| 20:21.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: dr{who} is sean? |
| 20:21.49 | landley | Houston isn't my permanent residence. |
| 20:21.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, his name is Sean. |
| 20:22.06 | prpplague | landley: right, i meant aren't you moving back to your condo? |
| 20:22.13 | RobotGuy | I met him this weekend. |
| 20:22.16 | landley | I own a condo in Austin that Fade and I were trying to sell for a few months (so we got an apartment), but when the 6-month apartment lease expired with the condo not having sold, we decided to move back into it. |
| 20:22.26 | landley | (Darn mortgage industry imploding.) |
| 20:22.41 | prpplague | landley: ok so should i send it to your condo address? |
| 20:22.44 | landley | And then the houston thing happened, so Fade's moving our stuff back into the condo. |
| 20:22.55 | landley | prpplague: yeah, I can email you that. |
| 20:23.03 | prpplague | landley: okie dokie |
| 20:23.26 | landley | Let me know if my toolchains work for you. :) |
| 20:23.36 | prpplague | landley: will do |
| 20:23.57 | RobotGuy | I am collecting toolchains now. |
| 20:24.36 | landley | RobotGuy: you can grab the binary of mine at the above URL, and then extract it at add the "bin" directory under it to your $PATH. |
| 20:24.43 | landley | Then use armv4l-gcc as your compiler, or whatever toolchain you decided to grab. |
| 20:24.52 | RobotGuy | landley: I already got it. :) |
| 20:24.53 | landley | Back online in a couple hours... |
| 20:39.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague:http://www.pastebin.ca/917989 This is with both BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP enabled run on intrepid. The last build, done clean. |
| 20:40.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a note, when you do a url make sure you have a space on each side so most irc clients can access it |
| 20:40.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.pastebin.ca/917989 |
| 20:41.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you did a make disclean and then restarted? |
| 20:42.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes I did make distclean |
| 20:42.50 | prpplague | hmm , ok let me look |
| 20:43.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what distro are you running? |
| 20:43.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Kubuntu based on Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 20:43.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that have the bash/dash issue? |
| 20:44.32 | RobotGuy | I have dash and bash but no symlink |
| 20:45.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so you don't have a symlink from /bin/sh to /bin/bash? |
| 20:46.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Already fixed that one sh --> bash |
| 20:46.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: please email me a copy of your buildroot .config |
| 20:46.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 20:48.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh and do a ldd on xgcc |
| 20:48.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pastebin the results |
| 20:48.36 | ds2 | things are getting deep |
| 20:49.39 | prpplague | ds2: ? |
| 20:50.14 | ds2 | seems like you are suspecting library conflicts |
| 20:50.22 | ds2 | those things can get quite involved |
| 20:50.52 | prpplague | ds2: well its looking for libiconv which shouldn't be involved |
| 20:51.05 | ds2 | hence, it is getting deep =) |
| 20:51.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There is no xgcc |
| 20:51.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you sure? |
| 20:52.03 | RobotGuy | I did a find from /usr and nothing was found |
| 20:52.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should be in gcc-final/gcc |
| 20:53.23 | ds2 | it is stuff like this that makes me want to make gcc -static default |
| 20:53.24 | prpplague | sorry, not final, should be gcc-initial |
| 20:53.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The build failed before final |
| 20:53.34 | RobotGuy | Ah OK |
| 20:53.36 | ds2 | (of course,not like that is even possible anymore..#@!$@#%@#$%#$ glibc) |
| 20:54.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It is where you said it would be |
| 20:54.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do a ldd on it |
| 20:54.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and pastebin the results |
| 20:55.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/918001 |
| 20:56.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you definetly have something enabled that shouldn't be |
| 20:56.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you email me your buildroot config? |
| 20:56.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you get my config file? |
| 20:56.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes |
| 20:57.17 | ds2 | would this have anything to do with RobotGuy using a C++ toolchain? |
| 20:57.30 | RobotGuy | ds2: Aye |
| 20:57.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hmm, don't see it |
| 20:57.44 | ds2 | wonder if there is an internationalization issue |
| 20:57.51 | RobotGuy | ds2: I actually got a good C++ toolchain |
| 20:58.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I send again. |
| 20:58.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: be back 15 |
| 20:58.27 | ds2 | but don't mind me... trying todo 2341234324235234234 things at once |
| 20:59.46 | RobotGuy | ds2: Trying to help prpplague track down a problem. |
| 21:00.11 | ds2 | RobotGuy: so this is not from trying to use the C++ toolchain? |
| 21:02.32 | RobotGuy | ds2: It is from trying to build a toolchain with both C++ options enabled. |
| 21:03.11 | ds2 | RobotGuy: gotcha. |
| 21:08.42 | RobotGuy | Just when I think things are starting to work.. |
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| 21:18.56 | RobotGuy | The controller on my power wheelchair is acting funky. It goes into some sort of mode that disables it from moving and sometimes it takes awhile to get it set right again. |
| 21:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Oh no! A disabled wheelchair. |
| 21:19.25 | RobotGuy | They want to charge me $80.00 just to have somebody come and diagnose what I already told them it is doing. |
| 21:19.40 | RobotGuy | What a crock! |
| 21:19.50 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: you're a cripple, how could you possibly have a clue! :/ Could it be low battery? |
| 21:20.03 | SpeedEvil | Though suppose you've tried that. |
| 21:20.20 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Nope - not related to battery charge. It does it right after coming off the charger over night too. |
| 21:20.57 | SpeedEvil | They charge the $80 even if it's found to be broken? |
| 21:21.15 | RobotGuy | Actually, I'm not a cripple, but need my chair right now because I am having severe equilibrium problems. |
| 21:21.29 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning generic attitudes. |
| 21:21.45 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: The $80.00 charge is for somebody to come diagnose the problem. I already told them exactly what the controller is doing. |
| 21:21.52 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I know. |
| 21:23.37 | RobotGuy | I've gotten stuck at my computer desk when the controller has done that and had to put the wheels into freeroll mode so I could get away from the desk. |
| 21:23.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: still no config |
| 21:23.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, I sent it twice. |
| 21:23.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what address are you sending it to? |
| 21:24.28 | RobotGuy | dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 21:24.34 | prpplague | thats the right one |
| 21:24.47 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm |
| 21:25.03 | RobotGuy | I have sent you stuff before. |
| 21:25.19 | prpplague | indeed, running a local mail server? |
| 21:25.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I do have a local mail server, but this does not go out through it. |
| 21:25.56 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 21:26.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: try sending it to danders@amltd.com |
| 21:26.11 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 21:27.16 | RobotGuy | Sent |
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| 21:28.40 | RobotGuy | Boy, trying to find the package needed to install something can be real difficult. |
| 21:31.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok got it |
| 21:32.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looking now |
| 21:36.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Good. |
| 21:39.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok so you started with the default config for the hammer? |
| 21:39.56 | chouimat|work | someone knows what "sizeof(int)[1]" means in C? |
| 21:40.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, then I added to it gradually. |
| 21:40.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh ok |
| 21:40.53 | RobotGuy | The newer buildroots force both options when you select the second one. |
| 21:41.12 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: sizeof(int)[1]? |
| 21:41.17 | CosmicPenguin | it means compile error in any lnaguage |
| 21:41.47 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: exactly what I was thinking ... I hate cpp bugs |
| 21:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | printf("%d\n", sizeof(int)[1]); |
| 21:42.02 | CosmicPenguin | test.c:4: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘[’ token |
| 21:43.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh what? |
| 21:43.13 | agaffney | I've never seen that notation |
| 21:43.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are not using the hammer buildroot? |
| 21:43.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I am. I have a separate buildroot to muck around with. |
| 21:44.12 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 21:44.12 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: perhaps it should be sizeof((int)[1]) or sizeof(int[1])? it looks like it's trying to get the size of a pointer to an int |
| 21:44.27 | agaffney | which should probably be sizeof((int)*) or something like that |
| 21:44.32 | agaffney | my C is very rusty |
| 21:45.06 | CosmicPenguin | sizeof((int *)) would do |
| 21:45.21 | CosmicPenguin | the [] dereferences, so that notation would be horrible no matter how it was used |
| 21:45.51 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: agaffney it's what I get after a few macros expensions ... |
| 21:45.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do a make distclean, use the config i just sent you without changing it |
| 21:46.10 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat|work: there you go - blame cpp |
| 21:47.02 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: since this channel might be ban after I blame it I won't type it here :) |
| 21:47.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 21:49.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe your first two emails just showed up |
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| 21:52.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OMG |
| 21:52.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what? |
| 21:52.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It is building now. |
| 21:52.32 | RobotGuy | The first two e-mails |
| 21:53.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the build is going further than before? |
| 21:53.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I can't tell yet. |
| 21:53.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It usually gets through gcc-initial and into final before failing |
| 21:59.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/918074 |
| 22:00.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: interesting |
| 22:00.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are certain that this is the official buildroot and no changes have been made? |
| 22:01.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Absolutely. I am scared to much with the official one now. |
| 22:01.23 | RobotGuy | s/much/muck/ |
| 22:02.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in the toolchan_build/gcc-4.1.2-initial there is a config.status file |
| 22:02.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pastebin that |
| 22:04.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/918082 |
| 22:05.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: too weird |
| 22:05.55 | RobotGuy | Figures |
| 22:06.24 | sunrunner20 | hmmmm |
| 22:06.26 | sunrunner20 | errr |
| 22:06.27 | sunrunner20 | mmm |
| 22:06.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can i get ssh access to that machine? |
| 22:06.52 | sunrunner20 | ^_^ |
| 22:06.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You already have it. |
| 22:07.04 | RobotGuy | intrepid.thedynaplex.net |
| 22:08.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you sure? |
| 22:08.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not accepting my password |
| 22:08.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmm, I did not change it. |
| 22:09.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: still got a user for prpplague? |
| 22:09.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes. I am leaving your account active. |
| 22:09.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: go ahead and reset the password then |
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| 22:10.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 22:12.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: where are you doing this build? |
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| 22:16.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: /Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot |
| 22:17.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You should have write access there now. |
| 22:17.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the build in my home dir is a complete working buildroot with c++ support |
| 22:18.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmm |
| 22:18.10 | prpplague | darn ssh keeps timming out |
| 22:18.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can I do something to prevent that? |
| 22:18.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea you remember the command i gave you last time? |
| 22:18.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't, sorry |
| 22:21.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do this as root: echo "1800" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time |
| 22:21.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Done |
| 22:24.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: remove the /Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot directory |
| 22:27.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am getting rid of all the buildroot dirs there |
| 22:28.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, all gone |
| 22:28.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: need to give me permissions for that dir |
| 22:31.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Doinng that now |
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| 22:35.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You should have full access now |
| 22:35.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: damm still having connection troubles |
| 22:36.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: do this as root: echo "30" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time |
| 22:36.44 | RobotGuy | Donne |
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| 22:42.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok you are all set, just go to the buildroot directory and type make |
| 22:43.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 22:46.23 | sorphin | and dorkback just woke up on #robotics.. lovely |
| 22:47.07 | prpplague | sorphin: so did i |
| 22:47.20 | sorphin | as for his pain |
| 22:47.32 | sorphin | i'll send him more ;) |
| 22:47.58 | chouimat|work | hi sorphin |
| 22:48.20 | sorphin | chouimat|work: lo Mr. KDE ;) |
| 22:48.35 | chouimat|work | sorphin: working for them now www.axentra.com |
| 22:49.04 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:49.45 | sorphin | chouimat|work: doing... |
| 22:50.06 | chouimat|work | core os development on those home server |
| 22:50.44 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:50.45 | sorphin | scary |
| 22:51.09 | chouimat|work | fun |
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| 22:51.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I might disappear for a few days. |
| 22:52.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 22:56.22 | sorphin | RobotGuy: fyi.. things like the vex ultrasonic module only cost cents more than the Daventec module that is in it costs, but then you get a module in a case that's easier to mount |
| 22:56.42 | RobotGuy | sorphin: True |
| 23:04.10 | ds2 | prpplague: what was the problem? |
| 23:04.21 | prpplague | ds2: with what? |
| 23:04.55 | RobotGuy | sorphin: I have the Honeywell compass module |
| 23:05.32 | ds2 | prpplague: RobotGuy's problem. looks like you fixed it |
| 23:06.23 | prpplague | ds2: well at this stage all i did was untar the buildroot, copy over the config and have him type in make |
| 23:06.33 | ds2 | oh thought you fixed it |
| 23:07.30 | prpplague | ds2: not sure there is anything wrong |
| 23:07.58 | ds2 | oh. that was what made me curious |
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| 23:10.09 | RobotGuy | It's on gcc-initial now |
| 23:10.56 | RobotGuy | Failed |
| 23:11.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: have you ever seen this message come out of a libertas driver? "PREP_CMD: No free CmdNode" if so, any clue to what it means or what might cause it? |
| 23:11.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: with what error? |
| 23:12.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, that sounds like the max number of requests were made with no responses coming back |
| 23:12.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/918166 |
| 23:13.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you have got to have something in your environment causing the problem |
| 23:13.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No idea what it would be. |
| 23:13.36 | GPSFan | prpplague: so maybe the wait time between status checks it too short. it's happening when I ask the driver to start a ap scan. |
| 23:14.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 23:14.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: that sounds about right |
| 23:14.53 | GPSFan | prpplague: thanks, that gives me a direction to look. ;>) |
| 23:17.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: argh you ssh is driving me nuts |
| 23:19.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can you execut a chown on buildroot please? |
| 23:20.13 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 23:20.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: chown prpplague:staff -r buildroot |
| 23:21.29 | RobotGuy | Done |
| 23:21.58 | RobotGuy | Huh? |
| 23:23.30 | prpplague | your ssh timeing out |
| 23:24.15 | RobotGuy | I did the settings you wanted |
| 23:24.35 | prpplague | i know but something else is causing it |
| 23:25.05 | RobotGuy | Nothing seems to be working today. |
| 23:27.08 | prpplague | doh |
| 23:27.43 | prpplague | no idea |
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| 23:31.09 | CosmicPenguin | he _is_ in texas |
| 23:32.00 | ds2 | so it is IP over shotgunshells? ;) |
| 23:32.42 | CosmicPenguin | it would be IP over pigeon, but they shot them all |
| 23:35.04 | sunrunner20 | ? |
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| 23:42.23 | CosmicPenguin | sunrunner20: you're welcome to make fun of any of the states I have lived in if it makes you feel betterE? |
| 23:42.29 | CosmicPenguin | some good topics |
| 23:42.36 | CosmicPenguin | wyoming + sheep + velcro gloves |
| 23:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | Utah + well... everything |
| 23:42.49 | sunrunner20 | I don't know what your talking about |
| 23:43.04 | ds2 | ....dirty deeds... done with sheep... ;) |
| 23:43.14 | ds2 | does that get played anywhere else besides the bay area? |