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| 00:15.19 | sunrunner20 | ?? ds2 |
| 00:16.03 | ds2 | =) |
| 00:16.24 | sunrunner20 | last tiem i flung a lcd somewhere I cut myself |
| 00:16.25 | sunrunner20 | :\ |
| 00:16.29 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:16.39 | ds2 | keepp it small |
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| 01:37.36 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:41.18 | Mirell | I've got to get a new job. |
| 01:44.02 | SpeedEvil | off-topic - http://freshome.com/2008/02/25/30-of-the-most-creative-bookshelves-designs/ form over function... |
| 02:00.19 | sorphin | cos: damn mormons ;) |
| 02:00.23 | sorphin | damn |
| 02:00.25 | sorphin | he left |
| 02:04.06 | prpplague | Mirell oh? didn't realize there was such a demand for waste disposal engineers |
| 02:05.36 | sorphin | prpplague: well, this is a fairly trashy country |
| 02:05.37 | sorphin | lol |
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| 02:38.45 | Mirell | prpplague: Wah? |
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| 02:56.49 | prpplague | Mirell joking with you on the new job offer |
| 03:10.00 | Mirell | prpplague: I don't have a new job. |
| 03:10.06 | Mirell | prpplague: I've got to get one, is the thing. |
| 03:34.55 | Mirell | prpplague: Current one is draining my soul. |
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| 13:12.50 | RobotGuy | Anyone awake? |
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| 13:21.49 | sjhill | RobotGuy: yep, for a while now |
| 13:22.07 | RobotGuy | Me too |
| 13:22.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy hey, for some reason your system seems to want to make gcc with internation character support |
| 13:23.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy not sure whats causing it yet |
| 13:23.16 | RobotGuy | I don't know. |
| 13:23.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy GPSFan does builds on ubuntu all the time with no problems |
| 13:23.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy so the only thing i can think of it that you have something set in your environment that's causing the problem |
| 13:24.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy gonna try to replicate the problem today on the build box at the office |
| 13:24.28 | RobotGuy | I just know I am very frustrated with the whole thing. |
| 13:24.30 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 13:24.38 | RobotGuy | It's very frustrating for me. |
| 13:24.56 | RobotGuy | To the point where I just want to give up on Hammer. |
| 13:25.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy yea, in 10 years of buildroot i've never seen one person have so much trouble with buildroot |
| 13:25.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy i've done buildroot for 8 boards since you've had your hammer |
| 13:25.39 | RobotGuy | I am doing stuff the right way. |
| 13:26.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy well i look again today and see if we can find out whats causing your problems |
| 13:26.35 | RobotGuy | I love the whole idea of Hammer, but I can't take the ongoing frustration of trying to build software for it. |
| 13:27.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy well, like i said, your problem is very very very unique |
| 13:27.14 | RobotGuy | My system will be online all day if you need to poke at it. |
| 13:27.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy dave and jon hylands aren't having any problems |
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| 13:31.47 | sjhill | prpplague: let me know when you're back |
| 13:32.12 | RobotGuy | sjhill: He's going to poke at my system when he gets to the office. |
| 13:33.05 | sjhill | that's fine |
| 13:33.12 | sjhill | arggh |
| 13:33.23 | sjhill | i forgot to look at the batteries for you |
| 13:33.34 | sjhill | RobotGuy: sorry, i'll do that tonight...promise |
| 13:33.35 | RobotGuy | That's OK. I am in no hurry. |
| 13:33.42 | RobotGuy | Thanks. |
| 13:34.02 | sjhill | sure |
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| 14:20.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ping |
| 14:20.31 | RobotGuy | I'm here |
| 14:21.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: on the terminal window where you are doing the buildroot make, do this: echo $TERM |
| 14:21.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: tell me what you get |
| 14:21.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: xterm |
| 14:22.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hmm ok |
| 14:22.23 | RobotGuy | I do my builds from a konsole in KDE |
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| 14:28.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: argh still ahving problems with it dropping my ssh |
| 14:29.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm gonna have to figure out whats causing that first |
| 14:29.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You have all the access you need to twiddle settings |
| 14:29.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, looking now |
| 14:30.00 | RobotGuy | Are you able to become root? |
| 14:30.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 14:30.19 | RobotGuy | OK, good. |
| 14:30.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is the firewall on intrepid? |
| 14:30.51 | RobotGuy | It's in my router, but I can turn that off if it is causing you problems. |
| 14:31.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i think it might be the router dropping my incoming connection |
| 14:31.42 | RobotGuy | The router will have to reboot for me to do that |
| 14:31.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok |
| 14:32.01 | RobotGuy | OK, you will lose connection when the router reboots |
| 14:32.52 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:33.57 | RobotGuy | OK, firewall is disabled |
| 14:34.44 | prpplague | checking |
| 14:34.53 | prpplague | nope still reseting |
| 14:35.14 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, well, you have full access to change anything that needs changing to fix that. |
| 14:35.47 | RobotGuy | Otherwise, call me if you need me to do anything. Got my phone number? |
| 14:37.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: question, you have port 22 forwarded in your router? |
| 14:37.53 | RobotGuy | There is no port forwarding. |
| 14:37.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh ok |
| 14:38.03 | RobotGuy | Everything should be going direct |
| 14:38.10 | RobotGuy | I have static IPs |
| 14:39.06 | sjhill | prpplague: do you have keepalive turned on for SSH? |
| 14:39.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you have my phone number? |
| 14:39.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, but i don't use the phone |
| 14:39.55 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, i think so, double checking |
| 14:40.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I ask because I am probably going to go lay down for awhile and won't be near the PC. |
| 14:40.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: np |
| 14:40.40 | RobotGuy | I'll be back in awhile. |
| 14:41.12 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, keepalive is on |
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| 14:58.16 | prpplague | crap crap crap |
| 15:03.26 | SpeedEvil | you've set the ssh keepalive? |
| 15:03.32 | SpeedEvil | oh - /me backstcrosll |
| 15:09.49 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea |
| 15:10.06 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: after getting back in the system i see the previous sshd session is still running |
| 15:10.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: which leads me to think it might actually be on my end |
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| 15:38.48 | sorphin | prpplague is now known as TheArmJunkie |
| 15:38.50 | sorphin | :-) |
| 15:39.52 | CosmicPenguin | he's always been an ARM junkie - its just not healthy |
| 15:41.33 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: example |
| 15:41.35 | sorphin | erm |
| 15:41.37 | sorphin | exactly |
| 15:41.41 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:41.50 | sorphin | i'm a bit off today (don't comment :P ) |
| 15:41.59 | agaffney | awww....but I wanna! |
| 15:42.18 | sorphin | agaffney: let me get a steel toed boot first :P |
| 15:42.49 | sorphin | for your behind? |
| 15:42.50 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:43.04 | agaffney | it could work :P |
| 15:43.28 | sorphin | lol |
| 15:43.32 | sorphin | if you say so |
| 15:43.47 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: How's the House of Crouse? |
| 15:43.55 | agaffney | where did our snow go? we were supposed to get some snow today |
| 15:44.02 | agaffney | I've seen a few flurries and that's it |
| 15:44.16 | sorphin | agaffney: it's lightly flurrying, and that's fine with me |
| 15:44.26 | prpplague | sorphin: indeed |
| 15:44.34 | CosmicPenguin | we got hit last night - so sorphin should be getting it here shortly |
| 15:44.34 | prpplague | sorphin: i've pretty much always been an arm freak |
| 15:45.28 | sjhill | bah |
| 15:45.39 | sjhill | you guys down south are pussies |
| 15:45.54 | sjhill | we have negative windchills right now |
| 15:45.56 | sorphin | sjhill: MIPS4Life |
| 15:46.31 | sjhill | hey sorphin |
| 15:46.47 | sorphin | lackey |
| 15:46.50 | sjhill | prpplague: can you answer an ARM cross toolchain build question |
| 15:47.19 | prpplague | sjhill: i'll give it a shot |
| 15:47.52 | prpplague | sjhill: i'm not a toolchain guru, but i'll give it a try |
| 15:48.10 | sjhill | k, 'sec |
| 15:48.46 | sjhill | prpplague: it's with 'libgcc' |
| 15:49.25 | sjhill | i can build the c-only i.e. stage 1 compiler, but when i go to build uclibc, i'm getting errors about missing symbols for abort and memcpy |
| 15:50.07 | sjhill | the odd thing is that i configure and build the mips stage 1 compiler the exact same way with no issues |
| 15:50.26 | sjhill | the only difference i can see is the unwind code between the architectures, which is where the undefined symbols are coming from |
| 15:51.28 | prpplague | sjhill: using buildroot? |
| 15:51.50 | sjhill | yep yep |
| 15:53.05 | prpplague | sjhill: recent svn snapshot? |
| 15:53.20 | sjhill | yes |
| 15:53.45 | prpplague | sjhill: which version of gcc? |
| 15:54.47 | sjhill | 4.2.0 |
| 15:55.49 | prpplague | sjhill: ahh yea, 4.2.0 for arm is pure hell |
| 15:55.59 | sjhill | lucky me |
| 15:56.13 | prpplague | sjhill: gotta have 4.2.0 ? |
| 15:59.09 | sjhill | yes |
| 15:59.10 | sjhill | NPTL |
| 15:59.51 | CosmicPenguin | Mr NPTL is in the house |
| 16:02.53 | prpplague | sjhill: first thing i'd try is going to 4.2.1 |
| 16:03.19 | prpplague | sjhill: 4.2.1 is suppose to contain a bunch of fixes for arm builds |
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| 16:06.01 | prpplague | sjhill: just did a quick build with 4.2.0 getting similiar errors |
| 16:06.23 | sjhill | good |
| 16:07.06 | prpplague | sjhill: i'd try the 4.2.1 in buildroot as test |
| 16:07.12 | sjhill | hmm |
| 16:07.19 | sjhill | alrightee, i'll give it go |
| 16:07.20 | prpplague | sjhill: even if you need 4.2.0 atleast you'll know if the problem exists |
| 16:08.03 | prpplague | sjhill: arm support is usually considerably behind on gcc toolchains |
| 16:08.33 | sjhill | trying now |
| 16:08.44 | sjhill | mips isn't always much better, but some |
| 16:08.46 | prpplague | sjhill: i usually use a last fixed version of the previous gcc |
| 16:08.59 | prpplague | sjhill: i.e. i'm using 4.1.2 right now |
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| 16:19.54 | sjhill | 4.2.1 fails too |
| 16:20.03 | sjhill | i'll try dropping back to 4.1.2 |
| 16:20.08 | sjhill | wth |
| 16:20.12 | sjhill | *sigh* |
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| 16:26.58 | prpplague | anyone got a ubuntu box running? |
| 16:27.09 | CosmicPenguin | yo |
| 16:27.22 | adyer | prpplague: ja? |
| 16:27.45 | prpplague | can one of you check to see if your install has libiconv installed and if so, where? |
| 16:28.10 | CosmicPenguin | I don't have it installed |
| 16:28.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok thanks |
| 16:28.36 | adyer | nor I (at least not that locate knows about |
| 16:29.05 | CosmicPenguin | packages.ubuntu.com is giving strange results |
| 16:31.13 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | huh - mabye its been rolled into libc |
| 16:31.27 | CosmicPenguin | the libc6 package has a iconv binary in it |
| 16:32.10 | prpplague | but no actual libiconv |
| 16:32.52 | sjhill | i don't think it's a library |
| 16:32.54 | sjhill | is it? |
| 16:33.07 | prpplague | sjhill: yea, there is a libiconv |
| 16:33.34 | sjhill | # apt-cache search iconv |
| 16:33.36 | sjhill | librecode0 - Shared library on which recode is based |
| 16:33.36 | sjhill | libruby1.8 - Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8 |
| 16:33.36 | sjhill | libtext-iconv-perl - converts between character sets in Perl |
| 16:33.36 | sjhill | recode - Character set conversion utility |
| 16:33.39 | sjhill | enca - Extremely Naive Charset Analyser - binaries |
| 16:33.41 | sjhill | gpgp - gnome front-end to GnuPG - a free PGP replacement |
| 16:33.44 | sjhill | jfbterm - multilingual terminal on Linux framebuffer |
| 16:33.46 | sjhill | libcxxtools-dev - library of unrelated but useful C++ classes |
| 16:33.49 | sjhill | libcxxtools4 - library of unrelated but useful C++ classes |
| 16:33.51 | sjhill | libhtml-wikiconverter-perl - An HTML to wiki markup converter |
| 16:33.54 | sjhill | libiconv-hook-dev - header files of libiconv-hook |
| 16:33.56 | sjhill | libiconv-hook1 - extension of iconv for libapache-mod-encoding |
| 16:33.59 | sjhill | libiconv-ruby - A Wrapper class of iconv for the Ruby |
| 16:34.01 | sjhill | libjconv-bin - charset conversion library - binaries |
| 16:34.04 | sjhill | libjconv-dev - charset conversion library - development |
| 16:34.06 | sjhill | libjconv2 - charset conversion library |
| 16:34.09 | sjhill | libpantomime1.2-dev - GNUstep framework for mail handling |
| 16:34.11 | sjhill | libpsiconv-dev - a library for handling Psion files (development) |
| 16:34.14 | sjhill | libpsiconv6 - a library for handling Psion files (development) |
| 16:34.16 | sjhill | libtext-unaccent-perl - provides functions to remove accents using UTF16 as a pivot |
| 16:34.19 | sjhill | libticonv-dev - Texas Instruments calculators charset conversions |
| 16:34.22 | sjhill | libticonv2 - Texas Instruments calculators charset conversions |
| 16:34.24 | sjhill | libunac1-dev - A C programmer's library that removes accents from a string |
| 16:34.27 | sjhill | moc - ncurses based console audio player |
| 16:34.27 | SpeedEvil | libflood - flood IRC channels. |
| 16:34.29 | sjhill | xffm4-filemanager - Xffm file manager |
| 16:34.32 | sjhill | libapache2-mod-php5 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 2 module) |
| 16:34.35 | sjhill | php5-cgi - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary) |
| 16:34.37 | sjhill | sorry guys |
| 16:34.40 | sjhill | that's from my ubuntu laptop |
| 16:35.03 | prpplague | i'm guessing that its in libcxxtools4 |
| 16:35.26 | prpplague | or maybe part of libapache2 |
| 16:37.57 | CosmicPenguin | not in libcxxtools4 |
| 16:38.13 | prpplague | interesting, its shipped with ximian |
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| 16:43.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack |
| 16:44.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok so one of your packages on your box has installed libiconv.so into /usr/local/lib |
| 16:44.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is fine for whatever package installed it |
| 16:44.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: however..... |
| 16:44.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when bootstrapping gcc you have to have the lib in the ld patch such as /usr/lib |
| 16:45.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So it is just in the wrong place? |
| 16:45.40 | sjhill | wrong place |
| 16:45.45 | sjhill | story of my life |
| 16:46.01 | prpplague | indeed |
| 16:47.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: actually it looks like the gumstix build is what generated the files |
| 16:47.17 | RobotGuy | That's the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable, isn't it? |
| 16:47.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i've already moved the libiconv.so files to /usr/lib on your box |
| 16:47.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 16:48.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, so you should be able to do to /Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot and type make to finish the build |
| 16:49.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not one of the folks here have libiconv installed which explains why never have seen that before |
| 16:49.52 | prpplague | adyer: amen |
| 16:49.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I go where nobody else has been.. |
| 16:50.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: indeed |
| 16:50.53 | prpplague | i knew it had to be something with your environment |
| 16:51.54 | adyer | how did the build find it in the first place if it wasn't in the library path? |
| 16:52.02 | RobotGuy | I added all the usual paths to LD_LIBRARY_PATH also |
| 16:58.14 | prpplague | adyer: apparent, the gcc used to bootstrap the new gcc build was able to find it /usr/local/lib , but the first stage gcc only looked for it in /lib or /usr/lib |
| 16:58.52 | prpplague | adyer: i found this vague reference - http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/faq.html#iconv |
| 16:58.56 | RobotGuy | ~whaleslap gcc |
| 16:58.57 | purl | ACTION beats gcc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:59.12 | adyer | prpplague: ewww. building a cross toolchain always makes me feel like i've done something vewwy wong |
| 16:59.26 | RobotGuy | adyer: You and me both! |
| 17:01.49 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhh, and of course I had libiconv installed in what is apparently an odd path for it. |
| 17:04.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and see, when i logged in and did the build the first time, i was using a clean login profile which did not have the /usr/local/lib in the ld path |
| 17:05.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is why i was able to build cleanly |
| 17:05.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That makes sense now. |
| 17:06.21 | prpplague | sjhill: show anyone at work the nail board yet? |
| 17:06.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just did add /usr/local/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:07.11 | RobotGuy | The only thing that was there was /usr/lib/xorg |
| 17:07.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no need now, i've already move the libiconv.so to /usr/lib |
| 17:07.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, I figured this might prevent future instances of this type of problem. |
| 17:08.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cross fingers.. I am doing a toolchain build now. :D |
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| 17:21.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Thanks for working on this problem. |
| 17:21.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: np, i don't like mystries |
| 17:21.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This one was driving me crazy, which some assure me is a pretty short trip. |
| 17:22.47 | RobotGuy | :) |
| 17:24.41 | RobotGuy | It just started on gcc-final |
| 17:44.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, not a new problem, same problem with libstdc++ not existing |
| 17:44.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, i was going to add that your makefile, but forgot |
| 17:47.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is ssh better now? |
| 17:53.14 | RobotGuy | Wow, I get 10 whole minutes of Skype for FREE. |
| 17:59.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, looks like it was on my end, out like was pushing pretty large packets, it was overwhelming your router |
| 18:00.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmmm, would I do better with something from LinkSys? |
| 18:00.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: naw, it was a mtu setting on our side |
| 18:01.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK |
| 18:01.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What needs to be changed in my makefile? |
| 18:02.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just want to get to a point where I don't have to diddle around with toolchains and can concentrate on my robot. |
| 18:03.44 | RobotGuy | I added a bunch of brand new pictures and information about W.A.L.T.E.R. 2.0 on my website. |
| 18:04.16 | RobotGuy | The pictures are not real good quality though. I just have a $50.00 webcam. |
| 18:20.21 | CosmicPenguin | your point being? |
| 18:20.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: funny |
| 18:20.38 | RobotGuy | Yeah, is there a point? |
| 18:20.50 | RobotGuy | If I could get paid to play with cool toys.. |
| 18:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | you would think that... but no |
| 18:21.14 | CosmicPenguin | it still drains your life force |
| 18:21.30 | RobotGuy | I play with cool toys and don't get paid |
| 18:22.10 | RobotGuy | I just want to get my Makefile fixed |
| 18:22.48 | RobotGuy | I don't know what needs to be changed though. I hate Makefiles. |
| 18:23.06 | RobotGuy | I know far more about them than I ever wanted to know. |
| 18:23.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea give me a minute |
| 18:23.13 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 18:23.42 | RobotGuy | I have figured out how to prod buildroot into putting everything for a package into /usr though. |
| 18:32.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the make files have been updated, there are copies in the /home/prpplague dir |
| 18:33.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i've already copied them into place on the buildroot in /Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot |
| 18:41.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Excellent! Thanks! |
| 18:42.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do I have to restart the entire toolchain build or can I just nuke gcc-final and restart? |
| 18:45.46 | RobotGuy | I just nuked gcc-final and restarted make |
| 18:55.28 | RobotGuy | I've only trusted two people with that kind of access to any of my systems. |
| 18:55.34 | RobotGuy | I'm the other one. :D |
| 19:00.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe |
| 19:04.02 | RobotGuy | fakeroot needs to be upped to v1.9.3 in buildroot |
| 19:04.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Toolchain finished without error. :D |
| 19:04.44 | prpplague | lovely |
| 19:05.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Now to see if I can build an initrd and kernel with it. |
| 19:05.13 | ds2 | Hmm subtle errors leading to big problems... isn't that roughly how "chaotic" is defined? |
| 19:05.44 | RobotGuy | ds2: Go back to sleep. ;) ;) |
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| 19:07.08 | ds2 | RobotGuy: i am at the life force draining center :( |
| 19:07.34 | ds2 | RobotGuy: besides, following your problem has been the most interesting thing in a week |
| 19:07.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:08.01 | ds2 | <--- waiting for other people to provide info |
| 19:08.28 | RobotGuy | ds2: Umm, gee, thanks.. <scratches head> |
| 19:08.51 | ds2 | RobotGuy: remember you comment about being paid to work on cool stuff... :) |
| 19:09.25 | RobotGuy | ds2: I don't get paid and work with cool stuff. :) I just wish I had more money to get more cool stuff with. |
| 19:09.44 | ds2 | RobotGuy: it works better if you don't get paid... that way you might actually enjoy it |
| 19:09.59 | RobotGuy | I need $260.00 worth of additional parts to complete W.A.L.T.E.R. 2.0 |
| 19:10.26 | RobotGuy | Of course, I may get to go right to working on W.A.L.T.E.R. 3.0 now. |
| 19:11.14 | RobotGuy | I do not want to use another Basic Micro MCU though. |
| 19:11.36 | RobotGuy | I want to get W.A.L.T.E.R. Hammered. |
| 19:12.16 | ds2 | hammer is nice but if you got more time then money, there are cheaper hardware you can use if you look around |
| 19:12.31 | RobotGuy | I have to use a Basic Micro Atom PRO MCU for my BRAT Project. |
| 19:12.41 | prpplague | ds2: such as? |
| 19:12.43 | ds2 | like the $30 NSLU2 |
| 19:12.48 | RobotGuy | ds2: I doubt that seriously. |
| 19:12.58 | ds2 | or the $20 fleamarket WRT54's |
| 19:13.05 | prpplague | ds2: if you are talking about stuff like that, yes, there are plenty |
| 19:13.08 | RobotGuy | ds2: That is just a hack job though. |
| 19:13.22 | ds2 | prpplague: they just cost you more in them then $$ |
| 19:13.44 | RobotGuy | I want to get a WRT54GL and put it on a robot. |
| 19:13.44 | prpplague | ds2: however, if you are doing something that needs to be repeatable, trusting the supply of nslu2's is too good |
| 19:13.44 | ds2 | RobotGuy: not really |
| 19:14.18 | ds2 | prpplague: *nod* but we are not talking about build multiple robots here...just one or two |
| 19:14.39 | ds2 | if people want more, there are other boards that can be used...again takes time |
| 19:15.14 | RobotGuy | I want an autonomous roving WiFi access point. |
| 19:15.32 | ds2 | WRT54's! |
| 19:15.44 | ds2 | might even be able to keep it mostly Linksys firmware |
| 19:15.46 | RobotGuy | But that is not the new project I have in mind for Hammer. |
| 19:16.09 | RobotGuy | ds2: Yes, my first choice for the roving access point is a WRT54GL |
| 19:16.13 | _trine | foneras with kamikaze on them would be the best idea |
| 19:16.43 | RobotGuy | _trine: What are those? |
| 19:17.21 | _trine | they were routers that were given away a while back |
| 19:17.22 | ds2 | of course, doubt if you will find as much help for those projects as you did for the hammer =) |
| 19:17.23 | _trine | they are small and are very adaptable |
| 19:17.33 | _trine | you can increase the memory on them |
| 19:17.45 | _trine | and its easy to install an SD card too |
| 19:18.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: When you have a chance, take a look at the new pictures of W.A.L.T.E.R. at www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter in the Version 2.0 section. I designed those new decks in 3D CAD and had them made by a friend down in California on his Sherline Mill. |
| 19:18.42 | _trine | RobotGuy: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tenerifeworld/Fonera/ |
| 19:20.00 | RobotGuy | The ONLY error I made on the new decks is I somehow managed to get the motor mount holes spaced too far apart. |
| 19:20.43 | _trine | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tenerifeworld/Fonera/Replacing%20the%20memory/ |
| 19:21.52 | RobotGuy | _trine: I bet you get a really strong WiFi signal with that dish. |
| 19:22.00 | _trine | haha |
| 19:22.39 | _trine | I have a 15dbi omni on the top of my house |
| 19:23.16 | _trine | have you guys heard about openwrt kamikaze you can use on these routers |
| 19:23.42 | RobotGuy | I know about OpenWRT |
| 19:23.52 | _trine | and kamikaze? |
| 19:24.03 | RobotGuy | No idea about Kamikaze |
| 19:24.29 | _trine | openwrt comes in 2 flavours White Russian (old) and kamikaze (new) |
| 19:24.58 | _trine | kamikaze has a config file system just like real linux |
| 19:25.28 | agaffney | "real" linux? :P |
| 19:25.29 | _trine | much better for doing the kind of stuff you are interested in |
| 19:25.55 | _trine | agaffney: kamikaze does not use nvram like the others |
| 19:26.10 | agaffney | I'm aware |
| 19:26.21 | RobotGuy | Interesting. I will have to look at OpenWRT when I get a WRT54GL |
| 19:26.24 | _trine | ok see you later going to eat |
| 19:26.27 | agaffney | I use both whiterussian and kimikaze :P |
| 19:26.35 | agaffney | but anything using the linux kernel is "real" linux :P |
| 19:27.01 | _trine | agaffney: nvram use in my view is not real linux |
| 19:27.05 | RobotGuy | The Linux Kernel IS Linux. Everything else is a GNU addon. |
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| 19:27.53 | ce_geek | prpplague: It's like Christmas over here. |
| 19:28.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:28.09 | RobotGuy | _trine: Why is using NVRAM any different than any other mass storage medium? |
| 19:28.15 | prpplague | ce_geek: i assume you got your package |
| 19:28.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: Indeed I did. And thank you. |
| 19:29.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ordering some stuff for it now. I want to get both boards mounted to something sturdy, so I'm ordering standoffs. Also going to order a single row header and a ribbon cable so prototyping can be done on a breadboard. |
| 19:29.25 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh lovely |
| 19:30.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: I should probably plug it in and play with it too :) chocobo is dying over there waiting for me to do so. |
| 19:30.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:30.16 | ce_geek | Lots of other things on my plate at the moment :-/ |
| 19:30.17 | RobotGuy | I am going to add some single row headers on each side of Hammer on the carrier board so I can make it solderless breadboard friendly. I wish they were already on the carrier board. |
| 19:30.20 | prpplague | ce_geek: there are plenty of howto's on the wiki page to get you started |
| 19:30.28 | adyer | anybody see the new TI OMAP parts? http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3515.pdf |
| 19:31.43 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I saw those holes there. Seems like those are all brought out on the solder area, I was planning on just sticking a single row header on that and getting a really wide ribbon cable to go to solderless breadboard. |
| 19:32.58 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea everything is brought out to the proto area |
| 19:33.22 | ce_geek | prpplague: Chocobo just suggested maybe a ZIF socket. Hmmn. |
| 19:33.35 | ce_geek | The hammer is really on there tight. |
| 19:33.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, we've been discussing using a zif, but they are pretty expensive, i think we'll offer a zif option soon |
| 19:34.12 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah :-/ |
| 19:34.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, be carefule prying it off , there are some caps on the underside that be damaged |
| 19:34.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm ordering stuff at digikey, I forgot how seemingly trivial things can add up really quick. |
| 19:34.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: indeed |
| 19:34.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: I was just looking at that. Extra care will be required. I think I'm going to hold off until I do something with it. I won't need to pop it out for a while. |
| 19:35.21 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea |
| 19:36.06 | ds2 | hmmm wonder if it is cheaper to injection mold or stamp a bunch of chip pullers and ship them instead of having a ZIF |
| 19:37.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: Without like a bit of reading and such, is there something simple this thing will do when I plug it in? chocobo is going crazy. |
| 19:38.19 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, its pre loaded with a kernel and ramdisk |
| 19:38.29 | ce_geek | Cool so should I be able to console into it? |
| 19:38.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: yep |
| 19:38.53 | ce_geek | *starts connecting things* |
| 19:39.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: just plug in your serial cable to your serial port on the pc and the other end to the carrier board db9 |
| 19:39.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: set the baud to 115200 and power on the board |
| 19:39.32 | ce_geek | Oh snap I should install my serial port :-P. Never did stick that in when I built this box. |
| 19:39.49 | prpplague | ce_geek: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Example_Kernel_Drivers |
| 19:39.58 | prpplague | ce_geek: you could also use the flyswatter |
| 19:40.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: it has a built in usb to rs-232 port |
| 19:40.30 | ce_geek | Oh yeah./ |
| 19:41.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: i assume your pc is running linux? or is it windows? |
| 19:41.19 | ce_geek | Linux |
| 19:41.38 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh ok, if its recent install you should have support for the ftdi_sio driver |
| 19:41.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: should be able to just plug in the flyswatter via the usb cable to your pc |
| 19:41.57 | ce_geek | Yeah, we've actually made some boards with those for projects around here. Awesome chip. |
| 19:42.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: indeed |
| 19:42.07 | ce_geek | Yep, doing that now. Just finding vacant power and such. |
| 19:42.44 | prpplague | ce_geek: the serial port on the flyswatter is the second port, which normally (assume you don't have something else plugged in) will show up as /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 19:45.43 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yep yep. |
| 19:48.43 | ce_geek | The coolness factor is rather high. |
| 19:48.53 | ce_geek | Hrm. Hammer login: |
| 19:49.02 | ce_geek | I should go read some stuff :) |
| 19:50.58 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can login as root, no password |
| 19:51.12 | ce_geek | Yeah, just tried. Sliiick. |
| 19:51.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can turn on some leds, do the buzzer and the push button http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Example_Kernel_Drivers |
| 19:54.36 | ce_geek | Super cool. Can't wait to dig into this. Now I have to go do boring grad student grunt stuff. |
| 19:59.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: lt me know if you have any questions |
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| 20:40.24 | ce_geek | Easy way to mount an SD card, or is that involved? |
| 20:44.54 | kajaca | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: the sd card is via spi, and the drivers are in a state of flux, it won't be fully supported until the release of 2.6.25 in a few weeks |
| 21:21.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: most people actually use a small usb->sd card reader |
| 21:22.59 | ce_geek | Okay |
| 21:23.23 | CosmicPenguin | few weeks? |
| 21:23.30 | CosmicPenguin | probably not |
| 21:24.06 | ce_geek | How about USB thumb drives, need toys for that? |
| 21:24.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: the kernel that is preloaded fully supports thumb drives |
| 21:25.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we are already on rc3 iirc |
| 21:25.36 | CosmicPenguin | we've still got a ways to go.. :) |
| 21:26.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya think? |
| 21:26.15 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 21:26.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: how long before you expect 2.6.25 release? |
| 21:26.33 | CosmicPenguin | Its generally a good rule of thumb not to put solid dates on stable kernel releases unless your name is Linus Torvalds |
| 21:26.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm soooo totally out of touch with the kernel release cycle now |
| 21:26.57 | ce_geek | prpplague: Mounted! slick. |
| 21:27.14 | CosmicPenguin | but this is the time when patches for 2.6.26 should start heading upstream |
| 21:27.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, thats kinda why i've stopped submitting patches and following the "cutting edge" release |
| 21:28.42 | CosmicPenguin | if you want to play, you have to follow the rules |
| 21:29.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe ok where's the rule book? |
| 21:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | Documentation/* |
| 21:30.06 | ce_geek | The HOWTO says the 3com USB network interface is supported with the kaweth driver. Is that compiled in, or will I have to do that. |
| 21:30.11 | ce_geek | ? |
| 21:30.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't ever recal seeing a description of the schedule and process of getting patches accepted |
| 21:30.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: no it is not compiled into the default kernel, you'll need to enable that in a custom kernel |
| 21:31.25 | ce_geek | prpplague: okay. That'll be a good exercise for later when I've got time to dig into it. |
| 21:31.55 | ce_geek | prpplague: My advisor was just here, thinks it's pretty cool. Asking me all sorts of questions and such.... I explained that I've had about 10 total minutes to play with it.... |
| 21:32.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: cool |
| 21:32.35 | prpplague | ce_geek: i hope we can get something together as part of the classes |
| 21:32.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: Thanks for helping me get some simple demo stuff going. |
| 21:33.02 | prpplague | ce_geek: np, you tried the buzzer and leds? |
| 21:33.09 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah he wants me to write howtos for a bunch of stuff. |
| 21:33.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah, I played with those. Had some funkyness with vi trying to edit the duration file but we finally go it. |
| 21:33.37 | prpplague | ce_geek: great |
| 21:33.59 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe, you really should use vi to edit proc entries |
| 21:34.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can just echo a value to it |
| 21:34.14 | ce_geek | prpplague: we're all anxious to see just how to get a system like this up and running from ground zero, like if it didn't come with Linux on it. |
| 21:34.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh, thats what they pay the big dollars for, hehe |
| 21:34.59 | CosmicPenguin | really? I must have a big check coming then |
| 21:35.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can get a general idea |
| 21:35.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:35.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: when you are ready to start "from scratch" let me know |
| 21:36.15 | ce_geek | prpplague: We echoed stuff into those files and such too. That was simpler than vi :) |
| 21:36.48 | ce_geek | prpplague: Probably tomorrow or later this week. I imagine that's where JTAG comes in handy :) |
| 21:36.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: indeed |
| 21:37.19 | prpplague | ce_geek: another tool you should become familar with is the devmem application |
| 21:37.24 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is there some good literature you recommend? I planned on looking into the OpenOCD stuff |
| 21:37.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: devmem? Used for filesystem stuff? |
| 21:37.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: its a small c app that allows you to access the s3c2410's registers directly |
| 21:38.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea the openocd is on the cd we shipped you |
| 21:38.12 | prpplague | ce_geek: good stuff |
| 21:38.15 | ce_geek | prpplague: I guess that will be the first order of business. Documenting how to start from scratch. That'll be good stuff. |
| 21:38.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_use_Jtag |
| 21:39.01 | ce_geek | prpplague: Real high level, assuming someone just got all the parts and assembled the hammer board, what is involved to get it where it is now? Prepare the filesystem in memory, load the kernel.... ? |
| 21:39.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: that is a start, but it needs to be updated |
| 21:39.44 | prpplague | ce_geek: one sec phone |
| 21:39.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: The document I'll create will have to be pretty thorough, so that should be helpful. |
| 21:43.35 | prpplague | ce_geek: this is a nice read - http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/book |
| 21:43.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: it is someone dated, but the procedures are about the same |
| 21:44.04 | prpplague | ce_geek: generally here is a rough order of things that have to be done |
| 21:45.13 | prpplague | ce_geek: jtag interface up and running, bootloader that can initialize the basic hardware and copy the kernel and rootfs to storage, |
| 21:45.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: a kernel that is has support for the specific processor, along with any specific hardware options |
| 21:46.02 | prpplague | ce_geek: and a root file system compiled with a toolchain specific to the supported processor |
| 21:46.35 | prpplague | ce_geek: generally speaking, most developers deal with a processor after the board support package is available |
| 21:47.03 | prpplague | ce_geek: BSP contains most of the core items to make the system work, minus the items specific to the board you work with or design |
| 21:47.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: Gotcha. |
| 21:47.49 | prpplague | ce_geek: buildroot allows you build the toolchain and a fairly generic root filesystem |
| 21:48.22 | prpplague | ce_geek: the primary concern for most new board development is jtag, bootloader, and initial kernel support |
| 21:48.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: once you are past that, the linux os support is pretty standardized across platforms |
| 21:49.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: for example, the led interface you were using earlier can be used in the same manner on any platform that has the leds defined |
| 21:49.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool. |
| 21:50.10 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm planning to drive some stepper motors with this. If I can drive two steppers and get an image from a webcam.... that will be pretty neat. |
| 21:50.33 | prpplague | ce_geek: a number of webcams work well with the hammer |
| 21:50.35 | ce_geek | Using a Via board for that now |
| 21:50.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: i've not set up any stepper motors as of yet with the hammer |
| 21:50.56 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah we talked yesterday about getting the gspca driver for mine working. Going to try getting that to work. |
| 21:51.18 | ce_geek | prpplague: As long as I can get control of 8 GPIO pins, should be cake in C. |
| 21:51.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: yep you can access a number of gpios |
| 21:52.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: I did it with a PIC when we re-built the robot a year ago. |
| 21:52.19 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:52.26 | ce_geek | prpplague: Hard to talk to a webcam with a PIC :) |
| 21:52.45 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:53.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: so dr.eason has seen it? |
| 21:53.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: This robot used to have poloroid sensors on it, it would navigate the halls and such on its own. It was driven by an HC11, an old capstone project. The documentation was long gone, and the board got physically broken when a book fell on it. It was time for an upgrade. |
| 21:53.33 | ce_geek | prpplague: He has. |
| 21:53.50 | prpplague | ce_geek: he say anything? |
| 21:54.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: He was jealous that I get to play. Anxious to get ethernet running so he can connect and play from his office when I'm not using it :-P |
| 21:54.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:54.31 | prpplague | ce_geek: wasn't there an enc28j60 module in the box? |
| 21:54.39 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yup! |
| 21:55.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: I bought the 2com kaweth thing too. Wonder if you can do both at the same time, for giggles. |
| 21:55.20 | ce_geek | prpplague: Thanks for that, btw. |
| 21:55.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: np |
| 21:55.29 | prpplague | ce_geek: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_Enc28j60 |
| 21:55.48 | ce_geek | prpplague: I've got to get this mounted and interfaced to a breadboard so myself and future students don't go crazy soldering things to it and making a huge mess. |
| 21:55.50 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea you can do both |
| 21:57.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: Excellent. Well, I need to run off and do other stuff, finish this digikey order and put out some fires. I'm going to try to do some reading tonight and I'll probably talk to you tomorrow about details if you've got time at some point. |
| 21:57.30 | prpplague | ce_geek: okie dokie |
| 21:58.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: Thanks for the help. TTYL. |
| 21:58.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: later |
| 22:32.22 | RobotGuy | No I just have to figure out a consistant cure for "lengh errors" I get on my kernels. Sometimes they just go away in the next kernel build, and sometimes they don't. |
| 22:32.31 | RobotGuy | s/No/Now/ |
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| 23:12.59 | RobotGuy | Crofton: Are you awake? |
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| 23:21.45 | ds2 | RobotGuy: you might get less support and less functionality with the gumstix unless you are into kernel hacking |
| 23:24.15 | RobotGuy | ds2: Why do you say that? |
| 23:24.39 | ds2 | RobotGuy: cuz I have that board and been watching the gumstix list |
| 23:24.54 | RobotGuy | What makes it any different than something like Hammer? |
| 23:25.22 | ds2 | AFAIK, there isn't a place for live support like here and it _SEEMS_ the guy that did most of the support left and there hasn't been much of a replacement |
| 23:25.33 | RobotGuy | And what do you define as "kernel hacking?" |
| 23:26.05 | ds2 | stuff is broken for the PXA270 - like USB gadget support |
| 23:26.21 | RobotGuy | It's bad when a company depends on one person to support its major product line. |
| 23:26.57 | ds2 | I don't mean there is no support |
| 23:27.17 | ds2 | one of the guys that was doing is was very active, probally more then needed |
| 23:27.22 | RobotGuy | I don't deal with companies who know less about something than I do. |
| 23:27.38 | ds2 | they are not ignorant by any means |
| 23:27.46 | RobotGuy | Oh, I understand that. |
| 23:28.47 | ds2 | it is just a few months ago, they were doing 180% now they are down to 100% |
| 23:28.49 | RobotGuy | Either that or I will go with something like a Technologic TS-7800 when I get to a point that I want and need more processing power. |
| 23:29.01 | RobotGuy | 180% of what? |
| 23:29.05 | ds2 | also keep in mind the Verdex is Xscale |
| 23:29.14 | RobotGuy | Yeah, I know it is. |
| 23:29.19 | ds2 | 180% as in giving more then necessary |
| 23:29.35 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh. Well, 100% is still reasonable for support. |
| 23:29.49 | RobotGuy | As long as it does not drop below that point. |
| 23:29.54 | ds2 | heh okay |
| 23:30.04 | ds2 | oh and it is a Marvell #@$#@%#$#@$#@$ to top it off :) |
| 23:30.19 | RobotGuy | I noticed that. |
| 23:30.40 | RobotGuy | Marvell bought the XScale group from Intel |
| 23:31.24 | RobotGuy | I have Intel practically in my backyard. |
| 23:31.54 | ds2 | I think the worse thing about the gumstix is having to deal with mildly expensive SMT only connectors if I want to do my own boards... not that I can't handle them, it isjust an extra irritation |
| 23:32.17 | RobotGuy | ds2: That is one big drawback I see. |
| 23:32.38 | RobotGuy | I can't imagine wanting to do my own board for Gumstix though. |
| 23:33.08 | RobotGuy | They already have all the stuff I would want in various expansion boards. |
| 23:33.23 | ds2 | if you are happy with the combination of interfaces possible with their boards, then it is fine |
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| 23:33.35 | RobotGuy | It's going to be a long time before I outgrow Hammer though. |
| 23:34.05 | ds2 | what I want to do involves would require more slots then they allow for (1 basix style and 1 92pin, new style) |
| 23:34.09 | RobotGuy | If I were getting a Gumstix, I would get what I enumerated. |
| 23:34.37 | RobotGuy | Verdex is 120 pin, not 92. Connex is 92 and 60. |
| 23:34.57 | ds2 | ooops, that what I mean..(I also have the connex) |
| 23:35.27 | RobotGuy | ds2: If ya ever want to ditch one, feel free to toss it my way. :) |
| 23:35.36 | ds2 | RobotGuy: the verdex or the connex? |
| 23:35.52 | RobotGuy | ds2: Verded preferred, but I would not refuse a Connex. |
| 23:36.00 | RobotGuy | s/ded/dex/ |
| 23:36.01 | ds2 | heh okay |
| 23:36.51 | ds2 | I'll probally wait til at least when the golliath (sp?) is released to decide |
| 23:36.55 | RobotGuy | I want to eventually do some onboard vision processing, so more horsepower is always good for that sort of thing. |
| 23:40.21 | RobotGuy | Was it the Connex that had problems with I2C not being accessible? |
| 23:41.24 | ds2 | not sure |
| 23:43.32 | RobotGuy | I built an initrd with my new toolchain. |
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| 23:44.37 | RobotGuy | I have to have easy access to I2C |
| 23:45.30 | RobotGuy | Gumstix uses Open Embedded which has bunches more software than Buildroot has. |
| 23:46.14 | RobotGuy | I am eagerly waiting to see what the upcoming Hammer Bot Board has on it. |
| 23:47.00 | Crofton | RobotGuy, there is also #gumstix |
| 23:53.35 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh, Crofton! I know about that, but they don't seem terribly friendly there. |
| 23:54.08 | RobotGuy | Crofton: How hard would it be to configure Open Embedded to support Hammer? |
| 23:54.51 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: in principle, not hard. |
| 23:55.11 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: it's already used as the build tree for OpenMoko, whihc uses the same chip |
| 23:55.20 | RobotGuy | I'm more interested in practice. :) |
| 23:55.32 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Hmmmmm, facinating. |
| 23:55.49 | SpeedEvil | First learn OpenEmbedded - it's not completely trivial. |
| 23:56.03 | RobotGuy | I know OpenMoko uses it but did not realize they are using Samsung also. |
| 23:56.42 | RobotGuy | I am going to practive with OE for Gumstix since it already supports all the Gumstix boards. |
| 23:56.50 | RobotGuy | s/ive/ice/ |
| 23:57.30 | RobotGuy | I would prefer to use the generic OE though rather than the Gumstix specific version. |
| 23:58.15 | RobotGuy | OE just seems to have so much more software available. |
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| 23:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | it also can drive a man crazy in just under 24 hours |
| 23:58.42 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: exact same chip. |
| 23:58.43 | CosmicPenguin | I believe 12 is the record |
| 23:59.01 | RobotGuy | Like Buildroot hasn't been driving me crazy? |
| 23:59.20 | RobotGuy | I was to the point of just giving up on Hammer this morning. |
| 23:59.58 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Good to know. |