| 00:02.20 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Are you trying to build a toolchain now? |
| 00:02.29 | RobotGuy | There is a patch on the Wiki. |
| 00:02.50 | ce_geek | Must have missed that. |
| 00:02.52 | ce_geek | 1 sec |
| 00:02.58 | RobotGuy | Make sure you are using the 0108 Buildroot - that already has some patches added. |
| 00:03.26 | ce_geek | Using this: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_buildroot |
| 00:03.40 | ce_geek | Buildroot-01032008.tar.gz |
| 00:04.20 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Go here: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software_System |
| 00:04.35 | RobotGuy | You are using an old outdated buildroot. |
| 00:05.09 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Ah. |
| 00:05.22 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Guess the Wiki needs updating? |
| 00:05.39 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Where is there an error? I can update it. |
| 00:06.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague doesn't want any Wiki updates until after it is moved though. |
| 00:07.05 | ce_geek | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_buildroot <--- says to use the wrong buildroot. |
| 00:10.27 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I went ahead and updated that. |
| 00:10.40 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: okie doke. Good good. |
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| 00:11.02 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: should you update the build instructions too? :) |
| 00:11.09 | prpplague | boo |
| 00:11.20 | ce_geek | BUSTED! |
| 00:12.03 | prpplague | ce_geek what did i do now? |
| 00:12.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: You didn't do anything. |
| 00:12.20 | ds2 | more beer and less coffee? ;) |
| 00:12.46 | ce_geek | That ratio should be less than one... |
| 00:14.16 | prpplague | yep |
| 00:15.49 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: More updates after the Wiki is moved. :) |
| 00:16.12 | ce_geek | I've downloaded the correct buildroot and I'm trying again. |
| 00:16.25 | ce_geek | How do you do that emote stuff? |
| 00:16.43 | prpplague | ce_geek trying buildroot? |
| 00:16.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: yup yup. |
| 00:17.51 | prpplague | ce_geek RobotGuy is the expert in breakage, hehe |
| 00:18.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: Haha. Hrm, trying to figure out how to get libiconv installed. |
| 00:18.51 | ce_geek | I don't have it..... do I need it? |
| 00:19.02 | ce_geek | Says "IF you have it installed..... blahblah" |
| 00:19.02 | prpplague | ce_geek oh my you are telling me you have libiconv installed? |
| 00:19.13 | prpplague | ce_geek shouldn't need it |
| 00:19.27 | prpplague | ce_geek RobotGuy only had a problem because he had it for another application |
| 00:19.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yikes. is libiconv like cancer or something? |
| 00:19.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: I don't have it, and that sounds like a good thing. |
| 00:19.53 | prpplague | ce_geek correct, don't need it |
| 00:20.26 | ce_geek | make is making. Always fun to watch all that stuff scroll by..... unless it stops with "Error 1." |
| 00:20.32 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:20.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:22.02 | prpplague | ce_geek was there a reason you thought you needed libiconv? |
| 00:22.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: Nope, I was just being curious. |
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| 00:23.01 | prpplague | ce_geek yea libiconv is for international character support |
| 00:23.15 | prpplague | ce_geek unless you plan to do sanscript, there is no need |
| 00:24.48 | RobotGuy | When I build software, I always put it in /usr/local. |
| 00:25.04 | RobotGuy | For my PC Linux, that is. |
| 00:25.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy which is correct |
| 00:25.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy thats where is should be |
| 00:25.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep - keeps it separated from Distro installed stuff. |
| 00:26.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I told you I go where nobody else treads. :D:D |
| 00:27.14 | RobotGuy | Now I am up to looking at porting eggdrop to Hammer. :) |
| 00:27.24 | prpplague | ug why? |
| 00:27.33 | ce_geek | Hmmn. It's unhappy because I didn't have makeinfo installed. I fixed that, and it's not satisfied. |
| 00:27.41 | prpplague | btw, i was wondering why were you trying to compile directfb? |
| 00:27.42 | ce_geek | 'make clean' doesn't really clean stuff up. |
| 00:27.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So W.A.L.T.E.R. can be on IRC, of course. :) |
| 00:27.51 | CosmicPenguin | a true bot |
| 00:27.53 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 00:27.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: To see if it would build. |
| 00:28.06 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Yes, that's the whole idea. :) |
| 00:28.08 | prpplague | ce_geek no, make clean isn't a true clean |
| 00:28.30 | prpplague | ce_geek what complaint does it have about makeinfo |
| 00:28.39 | RobotGuy | I used to do extensive IRC bot programming. |
| 00:28.40 | ce_geek | WARNING: `makeinfo' is missing on your system. |
| 00:28.55 | ce_geek | which makefinfo: /usr/bin/makeinfo |
| 00:29.05 | prpplague | ce_geek can you pastebin the log? |
| 00:29.13 | prpplague | or atleast the relevant part? |
| 00:29.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: not sure how to do that. |
| 00:29.20 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You may need the makeinfo patch, but shouldn't need it with the 0108 buildroot. |
| 00:30.23 | RobotGuy | www.pastebin.ca |
| 00:30.26 | ce_geek | ah |
| 00:33.08 | ce_geek | I'm just trying again. rm -rf /buildroot, just for fun. |
| 00:33.30 | RobotGuy | Hee hee, I will have walter.thedynaplex.mobi next month. :D:D |
| 00:34.11 | RobotGuy | I also have an IP address for my BRAT. :) |
| 00:34.42 | prpplague | ce_geek gotta run for a bit, RobotGuy should be able to help some with buildroot, |
| 00:35.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: good good. I'm going to go get some beer myself, then I will probably have to do thesis work for the rest of the night. |
| 00:35.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know more about buildroot than I wanted to know. :D:D |
| 00:35.13 | ce_geek | I'll be around tomorrow. Thanks for your help guys. |
| 00:35.32 | prpplague | ce_geek okie dokie, don't drink any yellow fiz |
| 00:35.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: :) |
| 00:35.51 | prpplague | later folks |
| 00:35.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: However, I am actually able to do quite a lot with buildroot now. :) |
| 00:35.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy indeed |
| 00:36.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy come along way |
| 00:36.04 | prpplague | :) |
| 00:36.08 | RobotGuy | :D\ |
| 00:36.11 | prpplague | later folks |
| 00:38.04 | ce_geek | Okay, so, it's downloading gcc now..... |
| 00:38.20 | ce_geek | This is cool, as long as it continues being cool. |
| 00:39.58 | CosmicPenguin | I remember when I was optimistic like that |
| 00:40.12 | ce_geek | *knocks on wood....* |
| 00:51.06 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Now you are just jaded. :) |
| 00:51.24 | ce_geek | DAMN. |
| 00:51.26 | ce_geek | It failed. |
| 00:51.33 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Log? |
| 00:51.37 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, that must be it |
| 00:51.56 | ce_geek | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.7.1.tar.gz doesn't exist. That was the failure. |
| 00:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | 5 years of broken buildsystems does that to a man |
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| 00:52.21 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Change the version in packages/fakeroot/fakeroot.mk to 1.9.3 |
| 00:52.24 | ds2 | easier to not use a build system |
| 00:52.31 | ds2 | that's why there are build teams ;) |
| 00:52.37 | RobotGuy | Shhhhh, ds2. :) |
| 00:52.48 | ce_geek | I gtg, I'll fix when I get back. Thanks folks. |
| 00:53.04 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That is noted in Hammer_Buildroot_Notes on the Wiki. |
| 00:53.24 | RobotGuy | I know, because I wrote it. :) |
| 00:54.02 | CosmicPenguin | did I say five years? because damn if it isn't closer to 8 |
| 00:54.59 | RobotGuy | Time does slip by when one gets old, CosmicPenguin.. :) |
| 00:55.20 | CosmicPenguin | mature |
| 00:55.32 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I can say that because I AM old. |
| 00:55.46 | RobotGuy | Ummm, errr, I mean more mature.. |
| 00:56.00 | RobotGuy | (supposedly, but I try not to act my age) |
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| 02:04.35 | ce_geek | Okay, back at it |
| 02:04.47 | ce_geek | So what happened, did fakeroot get updated, and the buildroot didn't? |
| 02:05.04 | ce_geek | Oh. Reading back now. |
| 02:06.37 | ce_geek | Gosh. I see now. There needs to be ONE place where all of this stuff is kept. |
| 02:12.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That change has not been put into the official Hammer Buildroot yet. That's why I created a notes page for buildroot. |
| 02:13.05 | ce_geek | ah |
| 02:13.08 | ce_geek | Cool |
| 02:13.15 | ce_geek | Now it is mad that I don't have /usr/bin/install |
| 02:13.36 | RobotGuy | Say what? How can you not have /usr/bin/install? |
| 02:13.36 | ce_geek | oops, it's in /usr/bin |
| 02:13.43 | ce_geek | er |
| 02:13.47 | ce_geek | it's in /bin |
| 02:13.51 | RobotGuy | Ahhhhhh |
| 02:14.33 | RobotGuy | I went through a lot of stuff learning buildroot. Hopefully I can help smooth your journey a bit. :) |
| 02:15.16 | ce_geek | Much appreciated. |
| 02:15.16 | ce_geek | :) |
| 02:16.32 | RobotGuy | I will be adding a bunch of stuff to the Wiki next week, and maybe rewriting and rearranging a bit. |
| 02:19.18 | ce_geek | Cool |
| 02:19.49 | ce_geek | Hmmn. I need to find where it set the path for /usr/bin/install |
| 02:23.06 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You should not have to worry about that. Buildroot should find it automatically. |
| 02:23.16 | ce_geek | ......but it didn't. |
| 02:23.24 | RobotGuy | Can you paste your log? |
| 02:23.41 | RobotGuy | www.pastebin.ca |
| 02:23.50 | ce_geek | You mean like the last several lines of the output of make? |
| 02:24.08 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes. Say about 20 lines before the error should be good. |
| 02:24.19 | RobotGuy | And everything after |
| 02:24.44 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/922889 |
| 02:25.42 | ce_geek | Hrm, it found it for some stuff |
| 02:25.50 | ce_geek | I see it for libtool, it used the right path. |
| 02:26.40 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: The easiest fix for that is to just "ln -s /bin/install install" in the /usr/bin dir. |
| 02:27.17 | ce_geek | Yeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah but that's a hack. What is it that failed to find the correct path? |
| 02:27.34 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That I do not know, sorry. |
| 02:27.42 | RobotGuy | Symlinks are our friends. |
| 02:27.47 | ce_geek | Hrm. Looks like the information is limited too. |
| 02:27.57 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It is in some cases. |
| 02:28.18 | RobotGuy | Path of least resistance is to just make the symlink. :) |
| 02:28.36 | RobotGuy | What distro of Linux are you running? |
| 02:28.46 | ce_geek | Arch :) |
| 02:29.13 | RobotGuy | I'm not familiar with it. Arch? Is that for real? |
| 02:29.21 | ce_geek | Yuh. www.archlinux.org |
| 02:29.26 | ce_geek | Good stuff! |
| 02:29.35 | RobotGuy | I thought I had run all the common Linux distros. I will look. |
| 02:29.48 | ce_geek | Hmmn.... not sure it's common. |
| 02:30.21 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/922897 |
| 02:31.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Are you referring to the does not exist errors? |
| 02:31.28 | ce_geek | Yeah |
| 02:32.48 | ce_geek | Badness? |
| 02:32.58 | RobotGuy | Those are not really errors. Those files are created at the very end of the process when buildroot/target/device/Samsung/Hammer/device_table.txt is read and processed. |
| 02:34.13 | ce_geek | Soooooooooo is it bad that theyre are failing to exist? |
| 02:35.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: No it is not bad at all. It is not fatal. They get created at the very last. |
| 02:35.35 | Mirell | I fully believe everything will break at work tomorrow |
| 02:35.37 | ce_geek | At the very last of what? Run make again, and I don't get make errors, just those complaints. |
| 02:35.58 | ce_geek | Mirell: why? |
| 02:36.06 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Those files are created as the very last thing done by the build. |
| 02:36.39 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: but they don't get created. |
| 02:36.45 | ce_geek | Like, make is done. And the files don't exist. |
| 02:37.23 | Mirell | ce_geek: February 29th |
| 02:37.39 | ce_geek | Mirell: Oh. Yeah. That. |
| 02:37.57 | Mirell | For instance, recent e-mail, |
| 02:37.58 | Mirell | I was demonstrating how to run reports at a retailer location today and |
| 02:37.58 | Mirell | the device advised me that there was no such date as 02/29 and would not |
| 02:37.59 | Mirell | proceed past that point. You may get some calls on this. |
| 02:38.55 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You can look in buildroot/project_build_arm/Hammer/root/etc and usr/share and you will see the files exist |
| 02:38.58 | ce_geek | Haha. |
| 02:39.40 | RobotGuy | My next trick will be to add an external real time clock to Hammer. :) |
| 02:40.07 | RobotGuy | Maxim DS1307 |
| 02:40.41 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/922908 |
| 02:42.25 | SpeedEvil | ntp over wifi? |
| 02:43.32 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hmmmmmmm, interesting. It is possible there are some missing entries in your device_table.txt file. Can you pastebin it for me? |
| 02:44.09 | ce_geek | hrm. |
| 02:44.12 | ce_geek | Which one? |
| 02:44.36 | RobotGuy | buildroor/target/device/Samsung/Hammer/device_table.txt is what I need to see. |
| 02:44.51 | RobotGuy | s/roor/root |
| 02:45.33 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/922915 |
| 02:46.39 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Well, the entries are there to create those files. Is there a permissions issue in those dirs? |
| 02:47.20 | RobotGuy | I do a global permissions setting whenever I start a brand new buildroot to be sure everything is owned by the account I use. |
| 02:49.46 | RobotGuy | I have to switch to Windows, but will be right back. |
| 02:53.53 | ce_geek | I did a chmod -R roger source/ |
| 02:53.59 | ce_geek | ran make again |
| 02:54.01 | ce_geek | no dice. |
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| 02:55.49 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: :( |
| 02:56.04 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: What wrong? |
| 02:56.10 | ce_geek | Just can't get those files to show up. |
| 02:56.50 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hmmmm. This is one problem even I have not seen. |
| 02:57.14 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Did you make sure you own the entire buildroot dir? |
| 02:57.47 | ce_geek | Just did chmod -R roger source/ |
| 02:58.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Do chown -R roger.<group> source |
| 02:58.35 | ce_geek | oops |
| 02:58.40 | ce_geek | I did chown |
| 02:58.46 | ce_geek | didn't do the .group piece |
| 02:59.02 | ce_geek | chown -R roger.users source/ |
| 02:59.10 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I always make sure my user and group are set for the entire dir. |
| 03:00.40 | ce_geek | did a make clean (for fun), running make now. |
| 03:03.35 | ce_geek | Noooooooo dice. |
| 03:03.47 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 03:03.54 | ce_geek | The coolness factor is dropping. |
| 03:04.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hang in there. |
| 03:04.24 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Haha, of course. I want to find what it is about makedevs that is unhappy |
| 03:05.15 | RobotGuy | I lost the coolness factor for awhile until prpplague found and fixed the libiconv problem on my system. I could not build a toolchain that worked. |
| 03:05.30 | RobotGuy | Now I have the coolness factor back again! |
| 03:06.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague goes way beyond what could rightfully be expected for product support. |
| 03:06.26 | ce_geek | Seems like it. |
| 03:06.35 | RobotGuy | It is, believe me. |
| 03:07.27 | RobotGuy | Dang, now I wish I had not switched to Windows. I was going to send you my device_table.txt file. |
| 03:07.34 | ce_geek | haha |
| 03:07.40 | ce_geek | Whyyyyyyyyyyy are you using Windows? |
| 03:08.01 | ce_geek | I use it for my RC heli simulator, that's it. |
| 03:08.10 | Mirell | RobotGuy: VMWare! |
| 03:08.33 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I have to use Windows XP for some stuff: 3D CAD, Atom PRO IDE for working on my BRAT biped, when I play World of Warcraft (not for the past two months). |
| 03:08.35 | ce_geek | I can't get away with that for the sim. |
| 03:08.48 | ce_geek | Damn DirectX |
| 03:09.06 | RobotGuy | Mirell: I don't think VMWare would work for some stuff I need. |
| 03:09.25 | ce_geek | Yeah you need XP. |
| 03:09.33 | RobotGuy | My system does not have enough RAM to support VMWare right now (only 512 Meg). |
| 03:09.42 | ce_geek | *chokes* |
| 03:09.59 | RobotGuy | I need at least 1 Gig. |
| 03:10.14 | RobotGuy | I would prefer 2 Gig though. |
| 03:10.21 | ce_geek | Yeah, that works well for me. |
| 03:10.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Can you dcc send a file? |
| 03:11.09 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Uhhh dunno how to dcc. |
| 03:11.26 | RobotGuy | usually it is something like /dcc send <filename> |
| 03:11.43 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: what sets the destination? |
| 03:11.45 | RobotGuy | usually it is something like /dcc send <nick> <filename> or something very close |
| 03:11.50 | RobotGuy | Me |
| 03:11.51 | ce_geek | ok |
| 03:11.54 | ce_geek | lemme try |
| 03:13.01 | ce_geek | success? |
| 03:13.54 | RobotGuy | I am not sure where it put the file. Try again. |
| 03:14.48 | RobotGuy | I got it. :) |
| 03:14.51 | ce_geek | What is the program that creates these files? fakeroot? |
| 03:15.07 | RobotGuy | I don |
| 03:15.23 | RobotGuy | I don't know what part of buildroot does that. It is not fakeroot as far as I know. |
| 03:15.29 | ce_geek | k |
| 03:15.42 | ce_geek | Hmn. |
| 03:15.48 | RobotGuy | OK, send me your entire device_table.txt file |
| 03:15.50 | ce_geek | Maybe I should go write a few pages in my Thesis and deal with this tomorrow. |
| 03:15.52 | ce_geek | Oh okay |
| 03:16.02 | RobotGuy | Then you can go do your Thesis. :) |
| 03:20.03 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I have fixed a couple problems already. |
| 03:20.15 | ce_geek | perfect |
| 03:20.24 | ce_geek | Why are they problems? Is the buildroot broken? |
| 03:20.55 | RobotGuy | No, it just doesn't have some entries to create some directories, like /proc and /usr/lib |
| 03:21.19 | ce_geek | .... so if they're supposed to be there, and they aren't, why is that? |
| 03:22.01 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Somebody didn't put them there. I put them there just to be sure. |
| 03:22.08 | RobotGuy | I don't like taking chances. |
| 03:22.20 | ce_geek | I had no idea this would be such an adventure :) |
| 03:24.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: This is definitely an adventure. :) |
| 03:24.48 | RobotGuy | I have learned far more about buildroot than I ever thought I would need to or want to know. ;) |
| 03:25.21 | RobotGuy | However, I can now do some pretty good stuff with buildroot that I wouldn't be able to do otherwise. |
| 03:25.43 | ce_geek | Like whhat? |
| 03:25.52 | RobotGuy | It is worth learning if you are going to tinker with embedded systems to any degree. |
| 03:26.05 | RobotGuy | I can now actually contemplate porting a package to hammer using buildroot. |
| 03:26.15 | ce_geek | ah |
| 03:26.32 | RobotGuy | I know the .mk files well enough to be able to force buildroot to put stuff where -I- want it put. |
| 03:26.42 | ce_geek | ah |
| 03:26.51 | RobotGuy | Stuff like that is useful to know. |
| 03:27.01 | ce_geek | so how do I fix it to make those files that it isn't making? :-/ |
| 03:27.39 | RobotGuy | I am not sure right now. I am going to plug your device_table.txt file into my buildroot and do some testing when I get back into Linux. |
| 03:27.46 | ce_geek | ok |
| 03:27.55 | ce_geek | Where are you, btw? |
| 03:28.07 | ce_geek | And, thanks for your help. |
| 03:28.10 | RobotGuy | Then maybe I can find, understand, and help you fix the problem. |
| 03:28.17 | RobotGuy | I'm in Beaverton, OR |
| 03:28.25 | RobotGuy | Not far from Portland. |
| 03:28.36 | ce_geek | Ah. What time is it there? |
| 03:28.57 | RobotGuy | I am glad to help. Lord knows prpplague has spent much time helping ME. |
| 03:29.05 | RobotGuy | 7:29 PM |
| 03:29.35 | ce_geek | 10:28 here in Maine. In another hour, I've gotta think about leaving so my truck doesn't get towed at midnight. Damn parking services on campus is not very kindly to the hard working grad students :( |
| 03:30.12 | RobotGuy | That's not nice at all. If they see a campus parking sticker they ought to leave you alone. |
| 03:31.01 | RobotGuy | I will do some testing with your devices file tomorrow morning and hopefully figure something out |
| 03:31.09 | ce_geek | It's bad. Real bad. A friend went out at 11:50 one night and his car was gone. |
| 03:31.15 | ce_geek | Still fighting that one. |
| 03:31.21 | RobotGuy | I would complain bigtime! |
| 03:31.40 | ce_geek | The parking people just laughed. |
| 03:31.55 | RobotGuy | Has anyone complained very loudly about this? |
| 03:32.04 | ce_geek | The cops got invovled. "Well we start towing at 12:15". "Okay, and what time is it?" "................uhhhh 12:04..." |
| 03:32.05 | RobotGuy | To campus administration? |
| 03:32.30 | ce_geek | He's going through the channels now. He played the games with the appeals process as required. Going to the dean of students now. |
| 03:32.31 | RobotGuy | That should have been more than enough to slap the patrol hard. |
| 03:32.57 | RobotGuy | If they told police they started at 12:15 and it was only really 12:04.. |
| 03:33.04 | ce_geek | Yeah. It's a mess. |
| 03:33.22 | ce_geek | I don't care if it was midnight. They would have had to have put the request in at like 11:30 |
| 03:33.35 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Most likely at least. |
| 03:33.40 | ce_geek | And the machine that prints the tickets isn't synched to a standard time source. So the time on the ticket is arbitrary. |
| 03:33.55 | ce_geek | anyway, so I leave at 11:30ish most of the time now :) |
| 03:34.00 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That is just not right. Their ticket time should be real time. |
| 03:34.22 | ce_geek | Uh, ya. That's the argument my friend is making to the dean of students. |
| 03:34.25 | RobotGuy | I see big problems with campus parking patrol. |
| 03:34.45 | ce_geek | I can park overnight. |
| 03:34.56 | ce_geek | If I walk about 1 mile to this one reserved parking lot. |
| 03:35.04 | ce_geek | No thanks. |
| 03:35.10 | RobotGuy | That's still unreasonable to have to do though. |
| 03:35.13 | ce_geek | Yeah. |
| 03:35.42 | RobotGuy | ~whaleslap parking_patrol |
| 03:35.43 | purl | ACTION beats parking_patrol upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 03:38.38 | RobotGuy | Even if a tow truck can get there in 30 minutes, that's REAL good response time. Normally it is longer. |
| 03:39.11 | ce_geek | Actually, there's a local tow company that scrams all its trucks to campus and just lurk around. |
| 03:39.51 | RobotGuy | I think I will replace that servo tonight. I want to see if it makes enough of a difference in how much jitter I see in this robot. |
| 03:40.09 | ce_geek | Post some vids? |
| 03:40.34 | RobotGuy | I don't even have the BRAT taking a full step yet. |
| 03:40.49 | ce_geek | I wanted to build a segway-like robot |
| 03:41.08 | ce_geek | Well, an RC car that would do a wheelie, and then stop, keeping the wheelie. :) |
| 03:41.24 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That's way out of my range unless I just build a balance bot, which I could do with W.A.L.T.E.R. now. |
| 03:41.40 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I just don't want to spend the money on the sensors. |
| 03:41.46 | RobotGuy | The two wheels are now centered in the body. |
| 03:42.18 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I have five sensors on W.A.L.T.E.R. now and I want to add at least seven more. |
| 03:42.34 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: This just for fine? |
| 03:42.38 | RobotGuy | I like to pair an IR ranger with an Ultrasonic ranger. |
| 03:43.06 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It's learning and fun for me. I've wanted to build robots ever since I was in Junior High and now I am way older than that. |
| 03:43.41 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: cool |
| 03:43.56 | RobotGuy | I hope maybe someday this could turn into money, but that is probably a long ways off. |
| 03:44.19 | RobotGuy | I am thinking about making a kit out of W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 03:44.53 | RobotGuy | He's a real good sized platform for experimentation now and fits the kind of robot that PyRo is designed to control. |
| 03:45.21 | RobotGuy | Two wheel, center driven. |
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| 03:45.48 | RobotGuy | Uh oh, here come sunrunner20.. :D |
| 03:46.08 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 03:46.18 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: How do you like the FIOS internet? |
| 03:46.36 | sunrunner20 | BITCHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:46.41 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: How fast? |
| 03:46.50 | sunrunner20 | 15mbit/2mbit |
| 03:47.15 | RobotGuy | Nice. I am on 6 MBit/768 KBit DSL, but I bet I pay more than you do for your FIOS. |
| 03:47.30 | sunrunner20 | its like $50/mo |
| 03:47.51 | sunrunner20 | and hasn't gone down yet |
| 03:47.53 | RobotGuy | Ack, I pay $115.00/month, but I can also run my own servers. |
| 03:48.10 | RobotGuy | I bet Verizon wouldn't allow running servers. |
| 03:48.16 | sunrunner20 | not on the residental account |
| 03:48.24 | sunrunner20 | its like $100 something for commercial |
| 03:48.27 | sunrunner20 | lemmie ask a friend |
| 03:48.35 | RobotGuy | I bet their busines accounts are super expensive too. |
| 03:49.23 | sunrunner20 | 150 a month for 15/2 16 ips |
| 03:49.36 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Actually, anything around what I am paying right now would be nice, but I am not sure I would get the level of support from Verizon that I get from Speakeasy. |
| 03:49.38 | sunrunner20 | $100 for 15/2 5 static |
| 03:49.51 | RobotGuy | That actually is not bad. |
| 03:50.07 | RobotGuy | I have 8 static IP now. |
| 03:50.51 | RobotGuy | I could double my download and better than double my upload bandwidth. |
| 03:51.16 | sunrunner20 | I was on a 768/128 line before fios |
| 03:51.23 | sunrunner20 | I did like 20GB in the first day |
| 03:51.30 | RobotGuy | They are charging way too much for the additional static IP addresses though. |
| 03:51.32 | sunrunner20 | (oh, and I had a 20GB/mo bandwith cap) |
| 03:52.04 | RobotGuy | I would not mind having 16 static IPs though. |
| 03:52.23 | RobotGuy | I could tie up four just in two routers. |
| 03:52.38 | sunrunner20 | I don't really see the need for multipul addresses |
| 03:52.44 | sunrunner20 | beyond 2 at least |
| 03:52.46 | RobotGuy | You are not me. :D |
| 03:52.55 | sunrunner20 | just get a good router |
| 03:53.15 | sunrunner20 | maby a third IP for a VPN |
| 03:53.24 | RobotGuy | I have two PCs, and close to building another. One is a server that runs 24/7 doing DNS, web, ftp, database, etc. |
| 03:53.27 | sunrunner20 | but then again, make the vpn on the router and its not an issue |
| 03:53.32 | RobotGuy | Two are in my WiFI router. |
| 03:53.52 | sunrunner20 | thats why man invinted private networks :) |
| 03:53.54 | RobotGuy | Another two will be two robots. |
| 03:54.09 | RobotGuy | My robots will be directly ON the internet. |
| 03:54.21 | sunrunner20 | whats the point? |
| 03:54.31 | sunrunner20 | behind a router would be no different |
| 03:54.45 | RobotGuy | To allow them to have internet web services, IRC, etc. |
| 03:55.00 | RobotGuy | It would be quite different behind a router. |
| 03:55.01 | sunrunner20 | port fowarding |
| 03:55.13 | RobotGuy | Won't work but for one port per service. |
| 03:55.29 | sunrunner20 | nope |
| 03:55.38 | sunrunner20 | unless i'm readin you wrong |
| 03:55.39 | RobotGuy | I have multiple systems that have the same services. |
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| 03:55.51 | sunrunner20 | ahh, port change :) |
| 03:56.09 | sunrunner20 | IRC has like 3 default ports anyway |
| 03:56.13 | RobotGuy | My two PCs both have web and ftp servers, for instance. |
| 03:56.32 | sunrunner20 | 6666,6667, 7001 |
| 03:56.38 | ce_geek | RobotGuy, I'm gonna pack up and thing about getting out of hurr. Take it easy, and thanks for your help. |
| 03:57.19 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: this is where diffference of openion comes into play :) |
| 03:57.30 | sunrunner20 | I consolidate everything |
| 03:57.42 | sunrunner20 | no need for a FTP server on my desktop |
| 03:57.48 | sunrunner20 | off load that to another machine |
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| 03:57.52 | sunrunner20 | along with my storage drive |
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| 03:58.01 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 03:58.08 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy^2: ping timeout? |
| 03:58.36 | RobotGuy^2 | Hmmmph, dang peer ought to be slapped |
| 03:58.52 | RobotGuy^2 | !fishslap peer |
| 03:58.58 | RobotGuy^2 | ~fishslap peer |
| 03:58.59 | purl | ACTION slaps peer up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 03:59.34 | ce_geek | alright who's who? |
| 03:59.44 | RobotGuy^2 | I am me, Who are you? |
| 03:59.51 | ce_geek | I am I. |
| 03:59.59 | RobotGuy^2 | This is my alternate nick. |
| 04:00.01 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I might have just succesfully built it. |
| 04:00.19 | RobotGuy^2 | ce_geek: YAY |
| 04:01.43 | RobotGuy | There |
| 04:01.43 | RobotGuy | I am me again! |
| 04:01.44 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I just rm -rf source, fixed fakeroot, and started again, and just watched. |
| 04:01.44 | ce_geek | So. |
| 04:01.44 | ce_geek | something special about starting over |
| 04:02.14 | RobotGuy | Ah, OK, Whenever you start to build a new toolchain, be sure to rm -rf toolchain_build_arm build_arm/staging* project_build_arm/<projectname> |
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| 04:02.29 | sunrunner20 | zzz |
| 04:02.30 | RobotGuy | I apparently know far too much about buildroot, because I remembered the paths.. |
| 04:03.01 | ce_geek | hahaha, uh yuh. |
| 04:03.11 | ce_geek | It oughta be fixed so you can do make clean |
| 04:03.30 | ce_geek | Okay, fixed my environment variable. Now...... what else will break? |
| 04:03.44 | RobotGuy | I would have make clean remove those three paths automatically. |
| 04:04.06 | ce_geek | yeah |
| 04:04.18 | ce_geek | So. Anything easy I can try to make sure it worked? |
| 04:04.22 | ce_geek | Compile a kernel? |
| 04:04.34 | ce_geek | Probably asking for trouble. |
| 04:04.55 | RobotGuy | Just add a package to your config file, like the ext2fs programs and build that. |
| 04:05.21 | RobotGuy | Find them in the Hardware menu of Package selection |
| 04:05.41 | ce_geek | uhh |
| 04:05.59 | ce_geek | how do I get to this menu? |
| 04:06.03 | RobotGuy | They are good to have in your initrd. |
| 04:06.13 | RobotGuy | Package selection --> Hardware |
| 04:06.29 | ce_geek | what starts package selection? |
| 04:06.57 | RobotGuy | You add the package(s) you want to build, and then save the configuration and do make. |
| 04:07.14 | ce_geek | Hmmn. |
| 04:07.28 | ce_geek | All I know is that I have this /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot |
| 04:07.40 | ce_geek | ....with tons of stuff in it |
| 04:07.50 | RobotGuy | Right. Go into buildroot, do make menuconfig |
| 04:07.54 | ce_geek | ah |
| 04:08.29 | RobotGuy | You can get into all kinds of trouble depending on what you select for options! I know from experience. :) |
| 04:09.09 | RobotGuy | Just go to Package selection --> Hardware and select the e2fs package. |
| 04:09.21 | RobotGuy | Or whatever it is called. :) |
| 04:10.09 | ce_geek | e2fsprogs? |
| 04:10.16 | RobotGuy | That's it. |
| 04:10.32 | RobotGuy | Then save config and start make |
| 04:10.40 | ce_geek | Okay. Downloading things from the interweb now |
| 04:10.45 | RobotGuy | Yep. |
| 04:10.45 | ce_geek | checking things |
| 04:10.53 | ce_geek | CC'ing things |
| 04:11.42 | ce_geek | mmmmmmkaaaaaaaay. It claims completion. |
| 04:12.21 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Now what? Should there be a resulting package file somewhere? |
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| 04:17.00 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Look in your binaries/<projectname> dir. You should see two rootfs files, one compressed and the other uncompressed. |
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| 04:17.33 | RobotGuy | I have two scripts that automate everything for me from build to saving config files, rootfs files, etc. |
| 04:17.33 | ce_geek | KEWL |
| 04:17.47 | ce_geek | Cool. |
| 04:18.04 | RobotGuy | Those rootfs files are what you will flash into hammer along with a kernel image and the APEX loader. |
| 04:18.06 | ce_geek | so as far as supporting my 3com kaweth driver, that happens when I build the kernel ,right? |
| 04:18.26 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Correct. Then we come to building a custom kernel. |
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| 04:18.40 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: A fine task for TOMORROW. |
| 04:19.03 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes, that is a great place to start tomorrow. |
| 04:19.07 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Thanks a _pile_. I appreciate the help. |
| 04:19.27 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Mebbie talk to you tomorrow. Tomorrow might be funky :-/ |
| 04:19.28 | RobotGuy | I am happy to help. I believe stongly in Hammer and what TinCanTools is doing. |
| 04:19.41 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I will be around here somewhere. |
| 04:19.49 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Indeed. I'm hoping I can help make some curriculum changes around here. |
| 04:19.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Cool |
| 04:19.59 | ce_geek | OH I forget which webserver prpplague suggested. |
| 04:20.11 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That would be boa. |
| 04:20.34 | ce_geek | May as well build that, what the hell. |
| 04:20.38 | ce_geek | Where does that hide? |
| 04:20.42 | RobotGuy | :D In Network |
| 04:20.54 | RobotGuy | Package Selection --> Network |
| 04:21.00 | ce_geek | Yep, found 'er |
| 04:21.14 | RobotGuy | I know almost where everything is now. |
| 04:21.19 | ce_geek | Okay, coolness is climbing. |
| 04:21.23 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 04:21.31 | ce_geek | The dynamicness of buildroot is kinda scary. |
| 04:21.42 | ce_geek | Like..... wouldn't wanna do this with a dialup connection. |
| 04:21.55 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It can certainly be daunting at first. Now I dig in and edit .mk files. :D |
| 04:22.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Um, no, dialup would be bad for this or any build system. |
| 04:23.02 | ce_geek | Is it smart enough not to fetch stuff if it has already been fetched? |
| 04:23.14 | RobotGuy | It only fetches when it needs to. |
| 04:23.17 | ce_geek | I'm envisioning a computer lab full of people learning how to do buildroot.... |
| 04:23.31 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Can we download the stuff they'll need ahead of time? |
| 04:23.40 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That would be an application for a dl dir stored on a common file system. |
| 04:23.51 | ce_geek | yuh |
| 04:24.11 | ce_geek | okay so buildroot is set up to check to see if stuff exists, and then goes to get it if it isn't there? |
| 04:24.22 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: There is a make option to just download everything but I can't remember what it is. |
| 04:24.29 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 04:24.42 | ce_geek | Ah okay, perfect. |
| 04:24.52 | ce_geek | I'll get there, eventually. baby steps at first here :) |
| 04:24.59 | RobotGuy | It also handles dependencies in the same way. |
| 04:25.06 | ce_geek | Good. |
| 04:25.25 | ce_geek | Alright. Time to give my typing fingers a rest. Have a good night! |
| 04:25.28 | RobotGuy | Yes, baby steps as prpplague keeps telling me. ;) |
| 04:25.38 | RobotGuy | You take care and I'll see you tomorrow. |
| 04:25.44 | ce_geek | Sounds good. L8r. |
| 04:26.16 | RobotGuy | I will be off to get a beer and operate on my BRAT.. Muauahahahaha |
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| 06:22.02 | RobotGuy | Hmmm. I had the WiFi working earlier today but now I can't get it configured. |
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| 15:26.21 | sunrunner20 | know what I hate? |
| 15:26.27 | sunrunner20 | people who can't think outside the box |
| 15:27.35 | sunrunner20 | what do you do when you have a web host w/o SSH access, but has <scripting language of choice> and you need to upload a big program (eg, joomla! w/ ~2.8k files) |
| 15:28.04 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: you get creative :) |
| 15:28.25 | sunrunner20 | exactly |
| 15:28.30 | sunrunner20 | to hell with using ftp |
| 15:29.15 | sunrunner20 | use exec() :) |
| 15:29.27 | sunrunner20 | I don't know of a language that doesn't have the ability to launch other applications |
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| 15:35.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: G'mornin'. I succeeded with buildroot last night, thanks to RobotGuy's help. |
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| 16:22.56 | prpplague | ce_geek: great! |
| 16:23.07 | prpplague | ce_geek: run into any major problems |
| 16:23.32 | ce_geek | prpplague: A few |
| 16:23.56 | ce_geek | prpplague: The stuff in the Wiki will be better when it's moved and re-organized. |
| 16:24.06 | ce_geek | prpplague: Things could be in one place to make them easier to find. |
| 16:24.15 | ce_geek | Like fixing the version of fakeroot, etc. |
| 16:26.42 | ce_geek | prpplague: And then at the end it would finish, but complain that some files didn't exist. The only way I fixed that was to rm -rf source and start over. |
| 16:26.56 | ce_geek | prpplague: crap I have to go to lunch... transportation is leaving. Back later. |
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| 17:23.42 | RobotGuy | I had the WiFi working yesterday, but later in the day I could no longer get it configured. |
| 17:23.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: bummer |
| 17:24.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah. |
| 17:24.27 | RobotGuy | I can't even get the essid set not. |
| 17:24.42 | prpplague | doh |
| 17:26.30 | RobotGuy | Ahhhh, looking at the hammer carrier board, it looks like 4-40 hardware will work for mounting it. |
| 17:41.26 | ce_geek | prpplague: back. |
| 17:41.33 | prpplague | ce_geek: front |
| 17:41.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: what distro are you using? |
| 17:41.46 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Oh yes, I've got mine on 4-40 hardware. |
| 17:41.51 | ce_geek | prpplague: Arch Linux |
| 17:42.08 | prpplague | ce_geek: that's a distro? |
| 17:42.15 | ce_geek | prpplague: www.archlinux.org |
| 17:42.37 | prpplague | ce_geek: interesting, never heard of that one |
| 17:43.57 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Ahhh, excellent! |
| 17:44.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I had not heard of archlinux before either, but it looks interesting.. |
| 17:44.37 | RobotGuy | I thought I had already run all the interesting distros. |
| 17:44.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: i suspect your problems with buildroot were distro related |
| 17:44.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Like mine were. |
| 17:45.08 | prpplague | ce_geek: i've only tested it with the more popular distros |
| 17:45.11 | RobotGuy | Or at least environment related maybe |
| 17:45.33 | RobotGuy | Kubuntu is popular.. :D:D |
| 17:45.55 | RobotGuy | Dang, I was going to beg and grovel for a 2.6.24 kernel.. |
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| 17:48.25 | ce_geek | prpplague: One problem was having install in /bin/install instead of /usr/bin/install |
| 17:49.16 | ce_geek | It seems like the distro shouldn't matter. The only distro specific problem I had was the path for /bin/install. I noticed that many components successfully found the correct path. One did not. |
| 17:50.18 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea distros do vary alot with many items |
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| 17:50.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: for instance, ubuntu now uses dash not bash as the default shell , which causes alot of builds to fail |
| 17:51.21 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'd be willing to help, if I can, to make it more portable. It bugged me that most things found /bin/install, and something else demanded /usr/bin/install, for example. |
| 17:51.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh that's nice and convenient. |
| 17:56.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, just make notes of the issues related to your distro and post them on the wiki |
| 17:56.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: i can add checks for those items in the default build |
| 17:59.15 | RobotGuy | I have to go out for a bit, but won't be gone long. BBIAB. |
| 18:09.28 | ce_geek | I don't need buildroot to build the kernel, right? |
| 18:12.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea you need buildroot as it builds the compiler |
| 18:12.26 | prpplague | ce_geek: once you hav buildroot complete you can compile other things such as the kernel and bootloader |
| 18:13.50 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ah okay it made all that stuff that got put in buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/bin |
| 18:15.35 | sunrunner20 | I can code w/o getting disctracted now |
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| 18:26.09 | ce_geek | Whaaaaat? The wiki (http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_build_Kernel) says that .size for the space in flash to hold the new rootfs image is specified in hex. It says that 2MB = 0x340000. In decimal, that's 3407872. Does not seem to compute :-/ |
| 18:26.15 | RobotGuy | It looks like I sparked another Hammer Kit sale from the Lynxmotion forums. :D |
| 18:26.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I might have the 2 MB value wrong. |
| 18:27.09 | RobotGuy | I believe the hex value is correct because prpplague gave that to me. |
| 18:27.58 | RobotGuy | I installed tikiwiki (Wiki), serendipity (Blogs), and SMF (Forums) on one of my sites yesterday. |
| 18:28.14 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Hrm. Looks like 3.4 mebibytes to me. |
| 18:28.20 | RobotGuy | I added a bit of HTML to tie everything together. |
| 18:28.28 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hmmmm.. |
| 18:28.41 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That can't be right. |
| 18:29.16 | RobotGuy | I don't know though. If there is a problem, it is easily fixed with an edit. |
| 18:29.43 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah. In any case, that's bigger than my compressed rootfs of 2.9M, so it should be a fine value. |
| 18:30.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Wow, my compressed rootfs is barely 2 MB. What did you put in there? |
| 18:30.42 | ce_geek | apparently tons of junk. I added openssh, e2fs, boa |
| 18:30.48 | RobotGuy | I am going to switch to Linux. I don't have the patience for defective software today. BRB. |
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| 18:39.59 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Hrm. Typing 'make' in buildroot/ once actually created the buildroot. And that's the same place make gets run to actually make the rootfs? |
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| 18:40.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes. |
| 18:40.39 | RobotGuy | I have scripts that do all that stuff, and some other stuff, automatically for me. |
| 18:40.39 | ce_geek | Okay. |
| 18:40.59 | RobotGuy | make always runs from the root of buildroot. |
| 18:41.12 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay. Well, if I copy hammer-config to .config and just type make, it creates a 2.9M compressed rootfs. |
| 18:41.45 | ce_geek | It's just funny that make actually creates the buildroot, as well as just creating little images inside itself when you compile a new rootfs thing. cute. |
| 18:41.46 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That should be much smaller than that. Do it again, but do make oldconfig before typing make. |
| 18:42.12 | RobotGuy | make does not create buildroot - it runs the processes that create the rootfs images. |
| 18:42.46 | RobotGuy | It builds the packages and creates the rootfs containing those packages. |
| 18:42.55 | ce_geek | right |
| 18:43.07 | ce_geek | But last night, make was used to create the buildroot |
| 18:43.09 | RobotGuy | The standard hammer config file for buildroot should create a very small rootfs. |
| 18:43.28 | RobotGuy | No, make was used to create your toolchain for buildroot. :) |
| 18:43.36 | ce_geek | well... yeah. |
| 18:43.37 | ce_geek | ok |
| 18:43.40 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 18:45.16 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: okay, so, |
| 18:45.38 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: 'cp Hammer-config .config', 'make oldconfig', 'make'? |
| 18:45.45 | RobotGuy | Yes |
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| 18:46.05 | ce_geek | -rw-r--r-- 1 roger users 2.9M Feb 29 13:45 rootfs.arm.ext2.gz |
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| 18:47.47 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Where's that page with updated files? I need to bookmark it. |
| 18:47.57 | ce_geek | I might need a different Hammer-config |
| 18:49.00 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Got it |
| 18:49.00 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I think you want this: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board_Software_System |
| 18:50.01 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay there's an apex config, , a kernel config, don't see the hammer buildroot config |
| 18:50.31 | ce_geek | Mind sending me your .config so I can build that and see what I end up with for a rootfs? |
| 18:52.14 | RobotGuy | The buildroot default config is right in the builtroot dir - buildroot/Hammer-config |
| 18:52.33 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You don't want my config, trust me. :) |
| 18:52.42 | ce_geek | Yep, I see that. And when I copy it to .config, do make old config, and then make, I get a compressed rootfs that is 2.9M. |
| 18:52.58 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, interesting. Let me try it here. |
| 18:53.01 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: So if it shouldn't be 2.9M, something must be wrong with my Hammer-config, unless I'm not doing something right. |
| 18:55.32 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Well I was able to make it 3.2M by adding a ton of garbage in there. |
| 18:55.46 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: so at least I was able to make a difference, that makes me feel like something is happening :) |
| 18:56.16 | RobotGuy | Do you copy the Hammer-config to .config? |
| 18:56.43 | ce_geek | yuh |
| 18:56.52 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, hang on and I will try it here. |
| 18:57.19 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Got to wait for my current build to finish first. |
| 18:57.42 | ce_geek | Ooh. Okay, something is up, or I misunderstand something... I just tried to build the one that was 2.9M again, and it's 3.2. Must have to make clean or something. |
| 18:58.13 | RobotGuy | 1) cp Hammer-config .config; make oldconfig; make |
| 18:58.29 | RobotGuy | 2) Check binaries/Hammer for your rootfs |
| 18:58.54 | ce_geek | oops. make clean was a mistake. |
| 18:58.59 | RobotGuy | Or binaries/<your project name> |
| 18:59.22 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That will nuke your toolchain too. |
| 18:59.29 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I'm noticing that :) |
| 18:59.38 | RobotGuy | I did that by accident a couple times/ |
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| 19:00.07 | RobotGuy | That option should be "make realclean" ;) |
| 19:00.14 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Well, I have a 531k rootfs now |
| 19:00.24 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Much better! |
| 19:00.26 | ce_geek | It seems like when I did stuff to make it bigger, it never got any smaller. |
| 19:00.56 | RobotGuy | Your rootfs image will be in binaries/<project name> always. |
| 19:01.00 | ce_geek | Right. |
| 19:01.02 | ce_geek | And it is. |
| 19:01.06 | ce_geek | binaries/Hammer./ |
| 19:01.13 | RobotGuy | Yep, for the default. |
| 19:01.24 | ce_geek | yeah unless I change the project name. |
| 19:01.33 | ce_geek | Okay, so, now if I go compile e2fstools or whatever, it should get bigger. |
| 19:01.52 | ce_geek | doing that now |
| 19:02.37 | ce_geek | Okay, it's 732k now. |
| 19:02.56 | ce_geek | So, if I cp Hammer-config .config, then make oldconfig, it should be 531k again. |
| 19:03.03 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 19:03.24 | ce_geek | And it is not. |
| 19:03.29 | ce_geek | It is 732k. |
| 19:03.53 | RobotGuy | That does not make sense. |
| 19:03.59 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Nope :) |
| 19:04.37 | RobotGuy | OK, as soon as my build finishes, I will try it here. |
| 19:04.53 | ce_geek | Oh snap. For one thing, those files don't exist again, those makedevs errors are back thanks to my damn make clean. |
| 19:05.19 | ce_geek | What directory do I need to delete to get the toolchain to recreate it self properly again? |
| 19:06.11 | ce_geek | Ah I found your advice from last night. |
| 19:06.13 | ce_geek | Ah, OK, Whenever you start to build a new toolchain, be sure to rm -rf toolchain_build_arm build_arm/staging* project_build_arm/<projectname> |
| 19:06.41 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You have to build a new toolchain if it was nuked. I always rm -rf toolchain_build_arm build_arm/staging_dir project_build_arm/<project name> before I start a new toolchain build. |
| 19:06.52 | ce_geek | yep |
| 19:07.21 | RobotGuy | That makes absolutely sure there is no hold over from the previous build. |
| 19:08.24 | ce_geek | Rebuilding toolchain. |
| 19:08.54 | ce_geek | Anyway, it seems like once I add stuff in, and the rootfs gets bigger, if I make a new .config file with the minimum, the rootfs never gets smaller. |
| 19:12.17 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Do make rootclean before you build. |
| 19:13.06 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Hah. Well. That is helpful.... |
| 19:13.13 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Is that buried in the wiki somewhere? |
| 19:13.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Ummm, no, I don't think so, but it needs to be added. |
| 19:14.38 | RobotGuy | What was happening is the project build was not being cleaned before rebuilding. |
| 19:14.51 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: YA. Big time. I had no way of knowing. I guess i could have studied the makefile. |
| 19:14.58 | RobotGuy | Now you should be getting better results. |
| 19:15.19 | RobotGuy | I forget about that because I have my build processes fully automated. |
| 19:16.13 | RobotGuy | 540 KB compressed rootfs with the default config. |
| 19:16.19 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: It'll be good when I write the report for this so everything will be uber documented. |
| 19:16.44 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: After i finish rebuilding my broken toolchain, I can try that :) |
| 19:16.51 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Definitely. You should create a wiki account for yourself so you can write on the wiki also. |
| 19:17.26 | RobotGuy | Once you know the system well and are confident in using it, you can update the wiki or edit as needed for changes. |
| 19:18.27 | RobotGuy | I have rearranged some stuff on the Wiki since I started working with Hammer, and hopefully my changes make things easier to find. |
| 19:18.52 | RobotGuy | I have also added some new stuff and will add more new stuff to the wiki. |
| 19:19.57 | RobotGuy | I guess I am just going to have to wait for a 2.6.24 or later kernel before working with the WiFi anymore. |
| 19:20.24 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I'll be happy to..... but isn't it read only for a while here? |
| 19:20.55 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Not as far as I know. I could write and edit the Wiki as soon as I created my Wiki account. |
| 19:21.35 | RobotGuy | The Wiki is on a site run by different people, I think, not TCT. |
| 19:22.03 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: yes it seems that way. |
| 19:22.19 | RobotGuy | Seems like there is bunches of non-Hammer stuff there too. |
| 19:23.49 | RobotGuy | That's why we need to prefix any new pages we create with Hammer_ |
| 19:28.56 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay, things are working much more like I'd expect now. |
| 19:29.01 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Time to make a kernel. |
| 19:29.31 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: why serendipity over wordpress? |
| 19:30.57 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_build_Kernel ... should that be cp hammer-config .config or should it be cp Hammer-kernel-config .config ? |
| 19:32.15 | ce_geek | oops nevermind. |
| 19:32.15 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: nevermind I see. |
| 19:32.20 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I think Serendipity offers the features I want in blogs. I didn't really take that close a look at WordPress, but I know there was a major factor in my choice. I just can't remember what it was. :) |
| 19:33.17 | sunrunner20 | keep thinking :) |
| 19:33.52 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: There is actually an updated Hammer Kit CD ISO that has an already patched 2.6.22 kernel. You'll have to get the URL from prpplague. That also needs to be added to the Wiki. |
| 19:34.12 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: Today, too much thinking just makes my head hurt. |
| 19:34.27 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: That's why I am not working on my BRAT today. |
| 19:34.47 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: it's okay, I've got the source and I've patched it. I just want to compile in the kaweth driver. |
| 19:34.49 | RobotGuy | Or I can put the new ISO up for download on my site.. Hmm, let me do that. |
| 19:34.50 | sunrunner20 | exp 18 not 17 |
| 19:34.55 | sunrunner20 | oops |
| 19:37.16 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Gotta find the kaweth driver. Can't seem to find it :( |
| 19:37.24 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I will make the new hammer-kit.iso file available on my website also. |
| 19:37.59 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: In Drivers --> Networking (I think). Or it could be in USB --> Networking |
| 19:38.04 | RobotGuy | I can't remember. |
| 19:38.10 | ce_geek | Is it called "kaweth" in the menu? |
| 19:38.21 | ce_geek | grep -i kaweth .config does not find anything. |
| 19:38.37 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OK, hang on, I know where it is. I just have to go there. |
| 19:39.37 | ce_geek | RobotGuy I'm in Network device support -> USB network adapters |
| 19:41.27 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Network Device Support --> USB Network Adapters --> USB KLSI |
| 19:41.56 | RobotGuy | I wish they would put the name of the module in the description. |
| 19:42.26 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I see now. Yeah, I agree. That would be helpful. |
| 19:42.38 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Crap so it's compiled as a module.... that means i need something in my rootfs to support it? |
| 19:42.54 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: No, it is a kernel module. |
| 19:43.05 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: okay |
| 19:43.17 | RobotGuy | You will probably want to enable automatic module loading. |
| 19:43.49 | RobotGuy | Loadable Module Support |
| 19:43.56 | sunrunner20 | last time I compiled a kernel |
| 19:44.00 | sunrunner20 | was for a mac |
| 19:44.25 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I would not mind having a Mac at all. I just can't afford a Mac I would be happy with. |
| 19:44.39 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah, it's enabled. |
| 19:44.45 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OK, good. |
| 19:45.33 | RobotGuy | Sometimes the kernel will load the correct module automatically, and sometimes you will have to do it manually. |
| 19:45.35 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: So. Now I need to finish getting OpenOCD installed. |
| 19:46.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes, that is needed to be able to flash your hammer with your new toys. :) |
| 19:46.14 | ce_geek | Need to make a config file to do that, right? |
| 19:46.36 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: All the needed config files are in the hammer openocd archive. |
| 19:46.57 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: ok. As soon as the kernel compiles, I'll go finish installing OpenOCD |
| 19:47.01 | RobotGuy | No, wait, they are on the CD. |
| 19:47.02 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: which is now. |
| 19:47.05 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 19:47.22 | ce_geek | arch/arm/boot/zImage is ready |
| 19:47.44 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: the mac is a 6400- 200mhz |
| 19:48.50 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OpenOCD likes to be run as root. |
| 19:48.57 | ce_geek | k |
| 19:49.20 | RobotGuy | I create a hammer dir under my root account and copy hammer.cfg and hammer.ocd (from the CD) there. |
| 19:50.00 | RobotGuy | I also have a script called hflash that copies the rootfs image, kernel image, and APEX image to that dir. |
| 19:50.26 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You will also need to be sure the ftdi library is installed on your system. |
| 19:50.44 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Following http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_use_Jtag |
| 19:50.48 | RobotGuy | Then you just need to run openocd to flash hammer. |
| 19:50.59 | ce_geek | not sure about this usbfs stuff. |
| 19:51.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That works. :) |
| 19:51.40 | ce_geek | mount -t usbfs /proc/bus/usb does not work. |
| 19:52.01 | RobotGuy | The usbfs is enabled in the kernel, which means the kernel on archlinux needs to have it enabled. If you have /proc/bus/usb then all is well |
| 19:52.32 | ce_geek | RobotGuy :yep, all set. |
| 19:52.38 | RobotGuy | Do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:52.46 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OK, good! |
| 19:53.08 | RobotGuy | You just have to make sure the ftdi libs are installed. |
| 19:56.40 | ce_geek | it made itself. |
| 19:58.09 | RobotGuy | Good! |
| 20:00.00 | ce_geek | Okay. I have the openocd executable in a directory with apex.bin, hammer.cfg, and hammer.ocd. |
| 20:00.17 | ce_geek | What do I do with my rootfs and my zImage? |
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| 20:01.15 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Almost there. |
| 20:02.38 | RobotGuy | Great! |
| 20:03.17 | ce_geek | What do I do with my rootfs and my zImage to get those puppies written to the board? |
| 20:03.21 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I put the new hammer-kit.iso file on www.thedynaplex.info/files - it will be a bit of a slow download due to limited bandwidth, but it is there. |
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| 20:03.41 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Unless that came out within the last week, I think I have it in two different forms already. |
| 20:04.50 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: 1) Become root and make a hammer dir 2) copy hammer.ocd and hammer.conf from the CD 3) copy your apex.bin zImage and rootfs compressed image there 4) run openocd -f hammer.conf |
| 20:05.02 | RobotGuy | I made a script to do all that for me. |
| 20:10.28 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: power to the carrier board? |
| 20:13.44 | ce_geek | Info: configuration.c:50 configuration_output_handler(): flash write error: couldn't stat() rootfs.arm.ext2.gz: No such file or directory |
| 20:13.55 | ce_geek | oops. |
| 20:13.58 | ce_geek | I'm a moron. |
| 20:14.52 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Not a speedy process, is it? |
| 20:20.40 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: USB powers the Flyswater. You have to use the A/C adapter to power the hammer carrier board. |
| 20:20.50 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It's not real fast, for sure. |
| 20:21.17 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay. so, I flashed it, and I booted it. Looks lots different. I didn't get a login prompt, no proc system exists, etc. |
| 20:21.39 | RobotGuy | I am going to be adding a battery power supply circuit to my carrier board as soon as I decide what kind of connectors I want to use. |
| 20:22.12 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I added a couple dir entries to the device_table.txt file - one of those is for /proc. |
| 20:22.40 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay so that is a flaw with buildroot then. |
| 20:22.40 | RobotGuy | I don't know why /proc is not in the default device_table file. |
| 20:23.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Flaw in the device_table.txt file, part of buildroot. |
| 20:23.22 | RobotGuy | Just copy one of the other "d" entries and change the dir to /proc |
| 20:23.23 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Right. So that should be..... fixed in the buildroot package. |
| 20:23.30 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes |
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| 20:23.44 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay, so I have to fix that file, and then recreate my buildroot? |
| 20:24.03 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: All you have to do is make rootclean and make |
| 20:24.39 | RobotGuy | The device_table.txt file will not be processed if there is not a clean project root |
| 20:24.51 | ce_geek | ok |
| 20:25.11 | ce_geek | Alright. Let me go find device_table.txt and take a look. |
| 20:25.17 | RobotGuy | Anytime you change device_table.txt make sure to run make rootclean |
| 20:25.25 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: understood. |
| 20:25.41 | ce_geek | Cannot run '/etc/init.d/rcS': No such file or directory |
| 20:25.49 | ce_geek | EXT2-fs error (device ram0): ext2_check_page: bad entry in directory #409: rec_0 |
| 20:25.54 | ce_geek | (in reverse order) |
| 20:25.54 | RobotGuy | What command were you running? |
| 20:26.01 | ce_geek | I plugged it in :) |
| 20:26.09 | ce_geek | I noticed when it boots, it's unhappy. |
| 20:26.10 | RobotGuy | Oh. :) |
| 20:26.36 | RobotGuy | It should be happy the first time it comes up - it has 2.6.22 kernel and good rootfs when shipped. |
| 20:26.49 | RobotGuy | Can you console to it? |
| 20:27.06 | RobotGuy | Serial cable and port set to 115200 8N1 |
| 20:27.13 | ce_geek | Okay. When I got it in the mail, I consoled into it, booted it, and everything ran great. |
| 20:27.34 | ce_geek | Just now, I flashed it. Consoled into it, cycled power, and watched it boot. |
| 20:27.36 | RobotGuy | Nothing should be different now. |
| 20:27.47 | ce_geek | ............ I just flashed it with a new kernel and new rootfs....... |
| 20:27.55 | RobotGuy | Did the flash work? Can you console and get a login prompt? |
| 20:28.02 | RobotGuy | Press ENTER |
| 20:28.09 | ce_geek | Yes, |
| 20:28.13 | ce_geek | I get I prompt. |
| 20:28.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: having fun yet? |
| 20:28.20 | ce_geek | I don't get the hammer: login prompt like I used to. |
| 20:28.24 | ce_geek | prpplague: Suuuuuuuure. |
| 20:28.28 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe |
| 20:28.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: what kind of troubles ya having? |
| 20:28.43 | RobotGuy | Ah, I think I know the problem! |
| 20:29.04 | RobotGuy | You need to get your kernel modules into the rootfs - that is not done automatically |
| 20:29.29 | ce_geek | RobotGuy:..... Okay, so, what's involved in that? |
| 20:30.08 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: From buildroot dir, do make -p project_build_arm/Hammer/root/lib/modules |
| 20:30.27 | RobotGuy | Do this after you have done make in buildroot dir. |
| 20:30.51 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Did you do make modules_install for your kernel? |
| 20:31.11 | RobotGuy | Something else I need to document on the Wiki. |
| 20:31.42 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah, that would be helpful for the clueless.... |
| 20:32.01 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Okay. so, absolutely not, I did not do 'make modules_install'. Nothing told me to do so. |
| 20:32.40 | RobotGuy | You always need to do make modules and make modules_install when you have a modular kernel (anything built as a module). |
| 20:32.45 | ce_geek | So I've got to do this modules thing, AND fix the device file? |
| 20:33.00 | RobotGuy | It's a weird way to do things to get modules into the rootfs, but I know how to do it. |
| 20:33.00 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Is it possible to build things into the kernel, not as a module? |
| 20:33.48 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes, of course. Just make sure there is no "M" and there is a "*" on anything you want to add to your kernel. Some things can not be built into the kernel and must be built as modules though. |
| 20:34.40 | RobotGuy | It's good to keep your kernel (zImage) below 1 MB. |
| 20:34.48 | ce_geek | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.09 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hmmmm. Are you sure it was built as a module? |
| 20:35.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think I sparked another Hammer Kit sale from the Lynxmotion forums. :) |
| 20:36.33 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yes. If I do 'make menuconfig', there is a capital 'M' next to the driver.. |
| 20:38.38 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OK, if you press space while on the driver menu item, it will cycle through all the possibilities. |
| 20:39.15 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Yeah, I see that now. But, if I look at my .config, I definitely compiled the driver for my 3com USB ethernet card as a Module, so I don't know why it works when I plug it in. |
| 20:39.37 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: If you never see then"*" then the driver can not be built as a module. |
| 20:40.16 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: If you don't do make modules there won't be any modules built. |
| 20:40.21 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I experienced that with another item somewhere, can't remember which. Anyway, any insight as to why this thing works if I compiled it as a module, and never did anything to get the module into the root file system? |
| 20:41.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I do not know. You have to do make modules_install and then copy that dir to <project name>/root/lib/modules and then run make for buildroot again to get the modules into your initrd. |
| 20:41.27 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Without a doubt, there's no way I did 'make modules', but when I plug this thing in, it shows up. |
| 20:41.44 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: It must be handled by a different driver then. |
| 20:42.07 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I should be able to investigate that, right? |
| 20:42.46 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yes, for sure. Check everything in the Device Drivers menu for your kernel in make menuconfig. |
| 20:43.19 | RobotGuy | Specifically anything having to do with Networking or Networking drivers |
| 20:43.21 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: well, that aside, let's fix the /proc issue, and make sure that any other broken modules get loaded. |
| 20:43.44 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: OK, works for me. |
| 20:43.44 | ce_geek | 'make modules_install' in buildroot? |
| 20:44.03 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: make modules and make modules_install is in your kernel build |
| 20:44.10 | ce_geek | Okay. |
| 20:45.20 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: It wants to install the modules in my local machine....... |
| 20:45.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ug |
| 20:45.38 | RobotGuy | I had to do a little hack to make things work - changed the permissions and ownership on /lib so I have write access there. That's where modules get installed regardless of whether built for Hammer or other. |
| 20:45.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: never do make modules_install |
| 20:45.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I always do. |
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| 20:45.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ug thats dangerous |
| 20:46.23 | RobotGuy | I jjust move the /lib/modules/2.6.22 dir to <project>/root/lib/modules |
| 20:46.57 | RobotGuy | It works for me, but oh well. |
| 20:47.12 | ce_geek | I agree that this is fishy. How should this be done? |
| 20:47.32 | RobotGuy | I don't like the way I am doing it, but don't know any better way. |
| 20:47.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you are going to use make modules_install you need to edit the makefile for the kernel and change the MODLIB entry |
| 20:48.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: So should the modules be copied manually or something? |
| 20:48.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What does that do? |
| 20:48.15 | prpplague | MODLIB= $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) |
| 20:48.28 | RobotGuy | Ahhh, OK. That is much better. |
| 20:48.51 | RobotGuy | Can that make use of environment variables? |
| 20:48.54 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can change the $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH) to the path of your staging_dir/lib |
| 20:49.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: We gotta get this written down somewhere..... |
| 20:50.08 | ce_geek | prpplague: Right now, I'm just trying to make my stuff work. I've got all these chats logged so I can go document it after things work. |
| 20:50.28 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I didn't mean to tell you wrong stuff, sorry. |
| 20:50.29 | ce_geek | prpplague; Not documenting as I go, because so far I'd have re-written several sections after I figured new things ou. |
| 20:50.31 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea can add it to the wiki on monday |
| 20:50.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'm logging as well |
| 20:50.47 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: It's a learning process for all, no problem at all. |
| 20:50.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: That it is! |
| 20:50.59 | prpplague | ce_geek: i've got a new release in the works for wed/thursday |
| 20:51.12 | prpplague | ce_geek: which will include a whole host of fixes that RobotGuy has found |
| 20:51.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Just buildroot?? |
| 20:51.21 | ce_geek | prpplague: Excellent! |
| 20:51.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: complete cd |
| 20:51.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool |
| 20:53.33 | RobotGuy | I want to get my WiFi working reliably and mount my Hammer Carrier board on W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 20:54.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nothing to do for 2.6.24 just copy over the arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-tct_hammer.c and edit the kconfig/makefile |
| 20:54.39 | RobotGuy | Then I can start tinkering with Python and writing some control code for W.A.L.T.E.R. to control the SSC-32 and motors. |
| 20:54.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll post a patch as soon as i can |
| 20:54.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That is all?? I am going to do that! |
| 20:55.11 | ce_geek | prpplague: So now I can do make modules_install |
| 20:55.20 | ce_geek | prpplague: ? |
| 20:55.28 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea if you change the makefile |
| 20:55.55 | prpplague | MODLIB= /home/ce_geek/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) |
| 20:56.29 | ce_geek | prpplague: All I changed was: MODLIB = $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/li |
| 20:56.34 | ce_geek | prpplague: I see now that I messed that up. |
| 20:57.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can I just add "INSTALL_MOD_PATH = $HAMMER_PROJ_ROOT" to my kernel Makefile? |
| 20:57.58 | ce_geek | MODLIB = /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) |
| 20:58.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: better? |
| 20:58.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: that should do it |
| 20:58.13 | ce_geek | okay. |
| 20:58.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I mean "INSTALL_MOD_PATH = $(HAMMER_PROJ_ROOT)" |
| 20:58.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yup, I see. I don't..... see much in /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/lib/modul |
| 20:59.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/lib/modules |
| 20:59.38 | prpplague | uh one sec let me do a quick clean make, i think i missed something |
| 20:59.48 | ce_geek | prpplague: If I compiled something as a module, for example the driver for my USB ethernet widget, it should show up there, right? |
| 21:01.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea after you run make modules_install |
| 21:01.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ok. Let me go try again. I know there's an M next to the driver in menuconfig. I expect it to show up in the buildroot. |
| 21:01.51 | prpplague | oops gotta go to a meeting |
| 21:01.52 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 21:07.26 | ce_geek | RobotGuy, prpplague: I've also gotta still fix that devices thing so I have a /proc filesystem. |
| 21:10.13 | ce_geek | WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.22: No such file or directory |
| 21:11.25 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Right on the fix. |
| 21:11.34 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/923777 |
| 21:11.46 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Permissions are wrong for that. You did not edit the kernel Makefile. |
| 21:12.31 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I am testing a simple mod for the kernel Makefile now. |
| 21:12.33 | ce_geek | MODLIB = /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) |
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| 21:18.24 | RobotGuy | I have a set of Hammer environment variables I find useful. I don't have to remember all the paths I have to use this way. |
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| 21:44.49 | RobotGuy | Apparently there is more needed than just editing the value of MODLIB in the kernel Makefile. |
| 21:45.25 | RobotGuy | Just changing MODLIB did not work. |
| 21:56.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea sorry, the command should be: INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/target/dir/ modules_install |
| 21:56.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no need to edit the MODLIB entry |
| 21:57.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So I would use /Devel/ARM9/Hammer/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir ?? |
| 21:58.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 22:01.57 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 22:02.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay. so, the makefile gets left alone, and an environment variable gets set? |
| 22:02.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Next question: I have no idea what I need to edit in the 2.6.24 kconfig/Makefile so I guess I will just have to wait. |
| 22:02.51 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea or you can export the variable at the top of the makefile |
| 22:03.03 | prpplague | ce_geek: which ever is more comfortable for you |
| 22:03.33 | RobotGuy | Apparently make won't use external environment variables like those we set in our .bashrc file. :(:( |
| 22:03.46 | ce_geek | prpplague: That's fine.... I just wish I had commented that line before I messed with it :-P |
| 22:04.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe 20/20 hind site |
| 22:04.33 | prpplague | MODLIB= $(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/lib/modules/$(KERNELRELEASE) |
| 22:05.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: Sweet. Thanks! |
| 22:17.50 | ce_geek | prpplague, RobotGuy: Okay, setting the environment variable worked for me. Stuff landed there. |
| 22:18.13 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: The one in the kernel Makefile? |
| 22:18.23 | ce_geek | prpplague: So, now I just have to go find the instructions for getting those into the root filesystem, after I fix my device file so I have a /proc filesystem. |
| 22:18.32 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I did it on the command line. |
| 22:18.44 | ce_geek | INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/ make modules_install |
| 22:18.46 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I edited my kernel Makefile. |
| 22:19.03 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Yeah, I did that by editing the Makefile. |
| 22:19.41 | RobotGuy | make doesn't seem to recognize external environment variables. |
| 22:19.46 | RobotGuy | I thought it did. |
| 22:21.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only if they are exported |
| 22:21.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Will the kconfig/Makefile from 2.6.22 work for 2.6.24? |
| 22:21.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: All my environment variables are exported. |
| 22:22.09 | prpplague | no, you have to add the two lines for hammer, i'll post something on monday |
| 22:22.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can't you just give me the two lines? I have a whole weekend coming up. |
| 22:23.57 | ce_geek | RobotGuy, prpplague: I'm going to head out soon. Fancy schmancy State of Maine Engineering Council dinner thing to go to, then I'm going snowmobiling until Wednesday. Well, I'll be around tomorrowish, leaving Sunday. |
| 22:24.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: obj-$(CONFIG_MACH_TCT_HAMMER)+= mach-tct_hammer.o |
| 22:24.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in the makefile |
| 22:24.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Anywhere in the Makefile? |
| 22:24.32 | prpplague | ce_geek: okie dokie sounds good |
| 22:24.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea pretty much |
| 22:24.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: heh.... it's spring break. Most people go south. I'm going to Northern Maine to play in the snow. :) |
| 22:25.05 | prpplague | ce_geek: soo, after spending a little with the hammer |
| 22:25.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, thanks. I will tinker with it. |
| 22:25.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: still like it? |
| 22:25.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and for the Kconfig |
| 22:25.30 | prpplague | config MACH_TCT_HAMMER |
| 22:25.30 | prpplague | bool "TCT Hammer Board" |
| 22:25.31 | prpplague | select CPU_S3C2410 |
| 22:25.31 | prpplague | help |
| 22:25.31 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.31 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: Love it! And I'll love it more when I succesfully get my own kernel and rootfs running, and I can run a webserver, ssh to it, and start learning how to program code for it. |
| 22:25.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you can look at the Kconfig and makefile from 2.6.22 as examples |
| 22:26.03 | prpplague | ce_geek: great |
| 22:26.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: the hammer is fairly new product so we still have some room to tweak items such as the carrier board |
| 22:26.45 | prpplague | ce_geek: so if there is something don't like or wise you had onboard please speak up |
| 22:27.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: Well, my first trick will be to use the carrier board to help me talk to two stepper motors, so once I get to the point where I can write code for it, I'll know more about the hammer board. |
| 22:27.28 | prpplague | ce_geek: |
| 22:27.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: have you got a datasheet on the stepper motor you are using? |
| 22:27.51 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'll give it a look over the weekend |
| 22:28.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The holes for the headers next to the Hammer socket need more room. |
| 22:28.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: those were really more for debugging |
| 22:28.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There should be female sockets there - will make it way easier for using with a solderless breadboard. |
| 22:28.43 | ce_geek | prpplague: I do not. It's the motors on that robot I posted pictures to. I've already interfaced to the motors with a PIC chip. I can't remember which device is used to drive the coils, but it's some sort of MOSFET type device that just needs TTL. |
| 22:28.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: since all of the lines are available in the proto area |
| 22:28.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: They have other uses though. :D |
| 22:29.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: indeed we are looking at doing a carrier specifically for breadboard |
| 22:29.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, good! I would love to see that! |
| 22:29.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: ok, i'll see out some generic stepper motor datasheets |
| 22:30.07 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm pretty confident I can get the motor to move as long as I can blink 8 LEDs individually :) |
| 22:30.15 | CosmicPenguin | mmm... bread |
| 22:30.21 | prpplague | ce_geek: no problem with that |
| 22:30.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Give me all the signals I can use for jumpering to the breadboard. I have a very nice Global Specialties PB-105 breadboard. Lifetime warantee. |
| 22:30.33 | ce_geek | prpplague: I didn't figure :) |
| 22:30.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: url? |
| 22:31.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.globalspecialties.com/pb105.html |
| 22:31.25 | ce_geek | prpplague: I might need to take a look at what kind of outputs the samsung chip uses. I'll probably spend the money on some opto-isolation just to be gentle to the hammer board. I'd hate to sink a ton of current through one of the pins accidentally and toast it. |
| 22:31.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea the gpio lines can't sink much |
| 22:32.00 | prpplague | ce_geek: they are 3.3v not 5v tolerant |
| 22:32.26 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah, that's the stuff I'll need to look into. |
| 22:32.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ek thats giant |
| 22:32.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you actually use that? |
| 22:32.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: Can the pins sink 10mA? |
| 22:32.52 | RobotGuy | That breadboard cost me $99.00. You bet I use it! |
| 22:32.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea |
| 22:32.58 | prpplague | eh gads |
| 22:33.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i just can't imaging having to disassemble a project after i got it work just to do another project |
| 22:33.42 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, I could almost mount my breadboard on W.A.L.T.E.R.. Hmmmm.. |
| 22:33.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I usually have several smaller projects going on it at one time. |
| 22:35.11 | ce_geek | I use 3 breadboards I got for free in sophomore electronics 4 years ago :) |
| 22:35.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right now I have a circuit with four PICs/dsPICs and 16 LEDs on it - takes half the breadboard space. |
| 22:35.29 | ce_geek | Okay well I stole one from my uninterested lab partner after the class was done. |
| 22:35.35 | ce_geek | (he gave it to me, of course) |
| 22:35.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe |
| 22:35.52 | ce_geek | prpplague: Where do you have your stuff etched? |
| 22:36.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, that would be fine. However I have no decent schematic software for making stuff. |
| 22:36.08 | ce_geek | prpplague: We've used PCB Cart (spelling?) and olimex |
| 22:36.14 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Eagle! |
| 22:36.24 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Ever tried BatchPCB? |
| 22:36.25 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Er, 'PCB' for linux |
| 22:36.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats wrong with eagle or geda? |
| 22:36.31 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I can't deal with Eagle. |
| 22:36.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I need to look at geda. |
| 22:37.47 | RobotGuy | I would rather have EasyPC (www.numberone.com) but it is a bit expensive to get everything I would need. |
| 22:38.20 | RobotGuy | I am going to look at geda though. |
| 22:38.24 | ce_geek | I wire wrap a lot. :-/ |
| 22:38.36 | ce_geek | We still do a fair amount of that here. |
| 22:38.38 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I am just getting into prototyping. |
| 22:39.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: interesting |
| 22:39.01 | ce_geek | Wire wrapping must be among the more expensive routes. |
| 22:39.10 | prpplague | indeed |
| 22:39.18 | RobotGuy | I want to add 2 dsPICs, an RTC (Maxim DS1307), and my Bluetooth DIL module to the carrier board. |
| 22:39.20 | prpplague | ce_geek: you don't do much smd? |
| 22:39.21 | ce_geek | Makes design changes easy |
| 22:39.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: I haven't but my co-worker Chocobo has. |
| 22:39.41 | RobotGuy | Plus battery power supply circuitry. I bought some 5V and 3.3V regulators. |
| 22:39.55 | prpplague | ce_geek: 805 and 1206's aren't too bad |
| 22:40.20 | ce_geek | prpplague: No, looks like much of it can be pretty reasonable. |
| 22:40.22 | prpplague | ce_geek: get down to 603 and 402's and you can't have too much coffee and get them soldered |
| 22:40.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: HAHA. |
| 22:40.43 | ce_geek | prpplague: Can you tell me who populated the hammer board? |
| 22:41.13 | prpplague | ce_geek: we did with a pick and place machine |
| 22:41.31 | prpplague | aml has its own inhouse board production |
| 22:41.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: SLICK! I'd kill for a picture of that machine. |
| 22:41.42 | prpplague | but we generally just do smaller builds |
| 22:41.54 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'll see about getting you one |
| 22:42.12 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool. |
| 22:42.24 | RobotGuy | I don't see anything in the 2.6.22 scripts/kconfig/Makefile to help me. :( |
| 22:42.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are looking in the wrong place |
| 22:42.59 | ce_geek | RobotGuy, prpplague: Okay so what's the fix to add /proc? |
| 22:43.05 | RobotGuy | You said kconfig |
| 22:43.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: linux-2.6.22/arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/Kconfig and linux-2.6.22/arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/Makefile |
| 22:43.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: Kconfig in the s3c2410 dir along with the Makefile |
| 22:43.48 | RobotGuy | NVM. I will just wait. Too frustrated to deal with it right now. |
| 22:44.28 | prpplague | ce_geek: you'll need to add an entry into the devices file |
| 22:45.16 | prpplague | buildroot/target/device/Samsung/Hammer/device_table.txt |
| 22:45.18 | ce_geek | prpplague: So why is that? Just an erroneous ommission when the buildroot .gz file was created? |
| 22:46.12 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea |
| 22:46.22 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay. Just wanted to make sure I understood. |
| 22:46.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, we are still finding some small bugs in the early release |
| 22:46.45 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay, so I got the modules where they belong, and that thing is fixed..... do I just run 'make' again to get everything balled up in the rootfs file? |
| 22:48.20 | prpplague | ce_geek: yep, should copy it over, if it doesn't you can copy the lib/modules dir directly to the project_arm/Hammer/root directory |
| 22:48.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: then re-run make |
| 22:48.39 | ce_geek | okay |
| 22:49.00 | ce_geek | prpplague: Last time, I didn't have /proc, and i didn't have these modules in the rootfs. Would that explain why I didn't get a login prompt? |
| 22:49.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: the new release of the buildroot next week will have all of the kernel build added into buildroot as well |
| 22:49.04 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: indeed. |
| 22:49.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: correct |
| 22:49.32 | prpplague | ce_geek: that is one explaination |
| 22:49.39 | ce_geek | prpplague: This is fun..... Kinda re-enforcing stuff I know about using Linux on my PC as well. I use Arch exclusively.... well, when I'm not using my RC Heli simulator. |
| 22:49.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:50.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: indeed |
| 22:50.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think I have noted all the problems I have found on the Wiki, except for maybe the device_table.txt stuff. |
| 22:50.22 | prpplague | ok well its almost 5, we close early on friday, probablly be back online later |
| 22:50.30 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:50.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: later! |
| 22:50.36 | RobotGuy | later tater |
| 22:51.00 | CosmicPenguin | curses are fun |
| 22:51.14 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Curses? |
| 22:54.57 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Just copy one of the other 'd' (directory) entries in device_table.txt and change the dir to /proc |
| 22:55.09 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Flashing with OpenOCD now :) |
| 22:55.17 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: (I did that) |
| 22:55.21 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Also add one for /usr/lib |
| 22:55.31 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Awe shucks. |
| 22:55.36 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I wonder what that's going to break. |
| 22:56.13 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I don't think it will actually break too much. You will know if you get an error that can't find /usr/lib or something in it. |
| 22:59.11 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Oh snap I'm an idiot. |
| 22:59.23 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: for got to do make rootclean |
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| 23:01.10 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You will be remembering that in no time. That's why I created some scripts - less to have to remember and the script always works the same way every time. :) |
| 23:01.38 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I will, once things work. |
| 23:02.07 | RobotGuy | ceqYeah, I have three scripts I use all the time. |
| 23:03.52 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: I gotta go. Talk to you again soon. |
| 23:17.19 | sunrunner20 | RobotGuy: how does serendipity do on security? |
| 23:46.33 | RobotGuy | sunrunner20: I don't know yet. I have not played with it much yet. |
| 23:47.49 | RobotGuy | I'm not sure, but I think prpplague is going to work up a patch for 2.6.24.* |
| 23:48.02 | RobotGuy | I really want this. |