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00:23.00RobotGuyAny ideas how to fix this and/or why it happens?
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01:41.27MonMothaoh, any ARM7 knowledgeable people in here?
01:41.33MonMothaI'm trying to come up with some pipeline behavior
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02:39.48ce_geekWell the good news is that I can restore the hammer board back to the state it was shipped in, no problem.  The bad news is that either minicom or openocd seem to do a good job locking up my machine once in a while.
02:40.09SpeedEvilminicom is simplyu a serial program
02:40.19SpeedEvilIt shouldn't crash your machine unless it's borked.
02:45.05ce_geekI agree :)
02:45.19ce_geekWondering about things fighting over /dev/USB1
02:48.29RobotGuyce_geek: Hi
02:48.50ce_geekRobotGuy:  Howdy
02:49.57RobotGuyI just use /dev/tty0
02:50.28RobotGuyYou have to set minicom up right.  115200 8N1
02:51.11RobotGuyWhat would fight over /dev/USB1 ?  Each should get a different device node
02:52.16RobotGuyI almost have a 2.6.24.3 kernel built.  Apparently there are some errors in the mach-tct-hammer.c file - things that work for 2.6.22 but not later perhaps.
03:17.40ce_geekRobotGuy:  I dunno.... mebbie minicom and OpenOCD?
03:20.53RobotGuyce_geek: For what?  Minicom for consoling to Hammer
03:21.23ce_geekRobotGuy:  If I console into the hammer and run OpenOCD at the same time, that might be troublesomee.
03:21.26ce_geekRobotGuy:  I dunno
03:21.41RobotGuyce_geek: It is not a problem.  I do it all the time
03:21.49ce_geekRobotGuy:  Good to know.
03:22.05ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'm sure as I play with it more next week I'll figure out what combination of behavior causes me trouble.
03:22.32RobotGuyWhat is it exactly you are having trouble with?
03:22.50ce_geekRobotGuy:  What, with minicom/ freezing, or with the hammer board?
03:22.57RobotGuyEiter
03:23.02RobotGuyEither
03:23.14RobotGuyMinicom should not freeze.  I use it here.
03:23.25RobotGuyUnless it is not setup properly.
03:23.27ce_geekRobotGuy:  Minicom / freezing:  Sometimes, my machine locks up hard when I'm doing minicom stuff.  I have no idea why, it doesn't happen all the time.  Not super worried about it at the moment.
03:23.59RobotGuyOK, what is the problem with the Hammer Board?
03:24.04ce_geekRobotGuy:  As for the hammer board, the last time I created a rootfs and kernel, things were still silly.  I can't remember exactly what, but i think I was missing some files, things didn't seem happy, etc.
03:24.26RobotGuyI need better info than that. :)
03:24.32ce_geekRobotGuy:  By the way.... the stock system shipped with the board has a login prompt.  When I create a rootfs and kernel, I do not get such a prompt, I have to hit enter.  What's the difference?
03:24.45ce_geekRobotGuy:  I know, I just kinda set it aside for now.
03:25.02RobotGuyce_geek: Did you look at the boot up messages?  That should tell you.
03:25.21ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'll try it one more time and pastebin it.
03:25.41RobotGuyYou have to press ENTER when you console to Hammer.  It does the login on its own when it boots up or you exit your session.
03:26.06ce_geek........... the stock software that shipped with the hammer board had a prompt that I had to type "root" at.
03:26.08RobotGuyI have my Hammer root account password protected now.
03:26.20RobotGuyce_geek: Yes, that is how it is.
03:26.34ce_geekNot when I make my own rootfs and kernel.
03:26.44RobotGuyHammer did not boot properly then.
03:26.53ce_geekRobotGuy:  Yuh, something's hosed.
03:27.08ce_geekLemme make a rootfs and kernel and see what happens.
03:27.09RobotGuyI'll need to see your boot up output from Hammer.
03:27.13RobotGuyOK
03:27.35RobotGuyI suspect a length error on the ramdisk.
03:27.45ce_geekRobotGuy:  That would make sense to me, yes.
03:28.07RobotGuyI know how to fix most of those now.
03:30.09RobotGuyI think I have had just about every kind of length error there is now.
03:30.09ce_geekRobotGuy:  where do most of those get fixed?
03:30.40RobotGuyce_geek: It's a little complicated. Different combinations fix different length errors.
03:31.02RobotGuyI have to know how big your compressed ramdisk image is.
03:31.14RobotGuyrootfs that is
03:32.05RobotGuyI think I can help you avoid most length errors.
03:32.22ce_geekFlashing now.  We'll see what happens.
03:32.26RobotGuyGood
03:35.31ce_geekRobotGuy:  Okay, this time I was successful.  I bet if I make my rootfs bigger, it'll break.
03:36.13ce_geekRobotGuy:  I want two things:  kaweth driver support (I'll compile that into the kernel, it's available as a non-module)
03:36.22ce_geekAnd I want ssh.
03:36.33ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'll do them one at a time and see what makes trouble.
03:36.53RobotGuyce_geek: There are a set of three values in various files that affect the whole length error thing.
03:37.14ce_geekRobotGuy:  Are these explained anywhere?
03:37.15RobotGuyI know where they all are now. :)
03:37.32RobotGuyce_geek: No but they sure need to be.  Another Wiki item for sure.
03:37.44ce_geekOkay
03:38.10RobotGuyActually there are four values that affect that.
03:38.18RobotGuyOne is in the kernel config
03:39.31ce_geekRobotGuy:  Here's an answer to a previous question:  I think my 3com USB ethernet thing has stock kernel support.  It works, and I just used the default .config when I made the kernel.  Gonna have to figure out wtf.
03:39.57ce_geekifconfig: error: no inet socket available: Address family not supported by protocol
03:40.03ce_geekRobotGuy:  Can't configure the device though..........
03:40.32ce_geekRobotGuy:  what does the kernel need to play nice with network stuff?
03:50.22RobotGuyce_geek: Can't configure serial port?
03:50.43ce_geekHere's the output of "ifconfig -a" on the hammer board:
03:50.52ce_geekifconfig: error: no inet socket available: Address family not supported by protocol
03:50.55RobotGuyce_geek: Ah, you need the TCP/IP in your kernel.
03:51.02ce_geekRobotGuy:  Hah.
03:51.18RobotGuyI forgot that once or twice.
03:51.39RobotGuyDon;t configure IPV6, just IPV4 stuff.
03:51.49RobotGuyTurn IPV6 off if it is enabled.
03:52.27RobotGuyce_geek: I have just FOUR more errors to fix and I think I will be able to build a good 2.6.24.3 kernel.
03:52.36ce_geekI deselected IPV6 stuff.... don't see anything that says IPV4.
03:52.54RobotGuyIPV4 is by default, no selection for it.
03:53.18RobotGuyIt's on when you enable networking.
03:53.19ce_geekRobotGuy:  Compilin' and flashin'
03:53.45RobotGuyBeen there, done that, got lots of t-shirts. :D
03:54.18ce_geekRobotGuy:  Scripts will be useful eventually, but I refuse to script anything until I understand it intimately.
03:54.47ce_geekRobotGuy:  A script that checks all those size-related things would be uber handy.
03:54.49RobotGuyce_geek: I understand that. I am the same way.
03:55.14ce_geekRobotGuy:  Maybe if I get super bored..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough* ahem.
03:55.30RobotGuyce_geek: I don't think that is workable.  Two are in the APEX configuration, one is in mach-tct-hammer.c and the other is in the kernel configuration.
03:55.48ce_geekRobotGuy:  If it's all in text files, I can do it with perl.
03:56.13RobotGuyce_geek: Hmmmm, or any other language.
03:56.21RobotGuyThey are all in text files.
03:56.36ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'd probably use perl just because that's what i've used most for that sort of thing.
03:57.06RobotGuyI'd use Python for the same reason.
03:57.51ce_geekRobotGuy:  Never played with python.  Never had occasion to use it.
03:59.32RobotGuyce_geek: It's an object oriented (or not) scripting language. I've never used the object oriented features of Python but will be getting into that soon.
04:01.04ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'm a jack of several languages, not really a master of any.  Spent a ton of time with C though.
04:01.51RobotGuyce_geek: C and Python are my current preferred languages. I've done PASCAL, APL, FORTRAN, RPG2, several dialects of BASICK, etc.
04:02.52ce_geekRobotGuy:  Cool.  C, C++, MATLAB, perl, HC11 and PIC assembly are things I've played with over the last 6 years here at UMaine.
04:03.32ce_geekOkay.  ifconfig -a behaves now.
04:03.49ce_geekRobotGuy:  I see that the USB system identifies the interface, but ifconfig -a doesn't list it.
04:04.02ce_geekRobotGuy:  Probably need to add the kaweth driver for that.  That's next.
04:08.13ce_geekRobotGuy:  Tis neat that the flash process automagically restarts the hammer board.
04:08.46RobotGuyce_geek: An addition that need to be made to buildroot/target/device/Samsung/Hammer/target_skeleton/etc/inittab
04:08.56RobotGuyYou need a line to mount the usbfs
04:09.19ce_geekRobotGuy:  Can I mount it manually once this thing boots just to test it?
04:09.20RobotGuynull::sysinit:/bin/mount -t proc proc /proc
04:09.20RobotGuynull::sysinit:/bin/mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb
04:09.36RobotGuyYes, you should be able to mount it manually.
04:09.52RobotGuyBut make sure those lines are in your inittab
04:10.23ce_geekOkay, this time the kaweth driver loaded things and I have eth0.  That is exciting.
04:11.00ce_geekRobotGuy:  Should this thing ping?
04:11.46SpeedEvilyou need to ifconfig it
04:13.01ce_geekYup.  It's got an IP, and I'm pinging now.
04:13.08ce_geekCool.
04:13.09ce_geekNow....
04:13.16ce_geekGotta add OpenSSH so I can ssh to this puppy.
04:13.22SpeedEvil:)
04:13.42ce_geekRobotGuy:  So what's with that USBFS stuff?  Seems like it works without that.
04:14.10ce_geekhttp://www.pastebin.ca/924223
04:14.22ce_geekNot sure about that failure to set RX mode.... but it seems happy.
04:15.01RobotGuyce_geek: Could you be more specific?
04:15.25RobotGuyCan you cat /proc/bus/usb/devices ?
04:15.44ce_geekRobotGuy:  I can not.
04:16.19RobotGuyce_geek: You will have to add the usbfs mount to your inittab as I showed then. I had problems manually mounting usbfs also.
04:16.45ce_geekOk.  Why do I need to do that?  What will that fix?
04:16.58ce_geekIs this going to be in next week's buildroot release?
04:17.07RobotGuyce_geek: It's the sequence of how things are done at startup I think.
04:18.21ce_geekRobotGuy:  Any idea if this is pegged for correction with next week's buildroot update?
04:18.23RobotGuyYou need to edit buildroot/target/device/Samsung/Hammer/target_skeleton/etc/inittab
04:18.37ce_geekRobotGuy:  I did.  The proc entry was there, I added the one for usbfs
04:18.41RobotGuyIt should be.  I have mentioned it to prp
04:18.54ce_geekRobotGuy:  I'm still not clear what will break if I don't do that
04:18.59RobotGuyOK, now make rootclean and make in buildroot
04:19.11RobotGuyYou won't be able to use any USB devices.
04:19.12ce_geekRobotGuy:  after I add OpenSSH :)
04:19.25ce_geekRobotGuy:......... but, I was able to just ping using my USB ethernet dongle :)
04:19.36ce_geekthat's what the pastebin shows.
04:19.44RobotGuyHmmm, it could have been built into the kernel rather than a module.
04:19.51RobotGuyI don't know.
04:20.19ce_geekRobotGuy:  Oh oh oh oh.  I see.  Yes, I made damn sure it was added into the kernel and not as a module to avoid the complication of installing the kernel modules in the rootfs and all that garbage.  Baby steps, babysteps.
04:20.59ce_geekRobotGuy:  Hopefully it doesn't get broken when I add OpenSSH
04:21.19ce_geekRobotGuy:  added over a meg to compressed rootfs though.
04:21.22RobotGuyIn the end, you do not want all that stuff in your initrd.
04:21.27ce_geek-rw-r--r-- 1 roger users 1.6M Feb 29 23:20 rootfs.arm.ext2.gz
04:21.47ce_geekRobotGuy:  Why not?
04:21.56RobotGuyWay too big.  Everything you add to your initrd takes away from your available RAM.
04:22.15ce_geekRobotGuy:  Gotcha.
04:22.18RobotGuyWhat is the uncompressed size, around 3.5 - 4 MB?
04:22.27ce_geek5.9 :(
04:22.32RobotGuyEeek
04:22.47ce_geekOpenSSH is apparently expensive :(
04:22.56SpeedEvillook at ropbear
04:23.00SpeedEvildropbear
04:23.08ce_geekdropbear??
04:23.17SpeedEvilDropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. It runs on a
04:23.19SpeedEvil...
04:23.21RobotGuyI have an ongoing thing with prp about how to get software onto Hammer. :) I know what I want to do, but can't seem to get anyone else to understand.  I wish landley were here.
04:23.53ce_geekRobotGuy:  Hmmn okay.  Can you briefly explain your desires, and what prp disagrees with?
04:24.22RobotGuyFour more errors to fix and I can build a good 2.6.24.3 kernel for Hammer. I don't know how to fix these though.
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04:25.19SpeedEvil'
04:25.24ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Pfft, I had no idea.  Checking it out now.
04:25.29RobotGuyBasically, all I want to do is make one huge build of all the software I want on Hammer. Then I want to cut the project root into two parts - /usr and everything else.  /usr goes onto my thumb drive and everything else goes into the initrd.
04:25.46ce_geekRobotGuy:  Does prp object to such behavior?
04:26.20RobotGuyce_geek: I don't think so, and it should work. He just has a weird way of having me do stuff I do not think is necessary sometimes.
04:26.47RobotGuyHe and I just don't see eye to eye on the way to accomplish things sometimes.
04:27.45ce_geekRobotGuy: ah.
04:27.56RobotGuyOtherwise, and this may actually be a better solution, I have to edit the package .mk files for the packages I want to put on Hammer and force everything to go to /usr.
04:27.59ce_geekokay 669k
04:28.09ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Hrm will SCP work with dropbear?  :-/
04:28.20SpeedEvilyes
04:28.28ce_geekSpeedEvil:  What doesn't it do?
04:28.33SpeedEvilinbound at least - I'm unsure about outbound
04:29.06SpeedEvilActually both dirs work
04:29.10SpeedEvilIt's on my phone
04:29.26SpeedEviland remote execing stuff, and socks
04:29.27ce_geekSpeedEvil:.......... what?  On your phone?  Excuse me?
04:29.38SpeedEvilyes
04:29.50SpeedEvilNeo1973
04:29.51ce_geekSpeedEvil:  what kind of phone do you have?
04:29.55ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Ah.
04:30.08SpeedEvilBasically it's similar to a hammer, but with 128M ROM/RAM abnd a 640*480 LCD
04:30.14SpeedEviland GPS and GSM
04:30.39ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Oh!!  OpenMoko thingie.
04:30.42SpeedEvilyes
04:30.53RobotGuySpeedEvil: How much for that and do you have a link?
04:31.01RobotGuyOH!
04:31.03SpeedEvil$300 - wiki.openmokko.org
04:31.03ce_geekhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973
04:31.06SpeedEvil$300 - wiki.openmoko.org
04:31.13SpeedEviland it's sold out - that version
04:31.21ce_geekSpeedEvil:  damn.
04:31.30ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Does it have a camera?  (please no...)
04:31.36SpeedEvilnew version maybe $450 with included 2d accel, and 3d accelerometers
04:31.41SpeedEvilmaybe a coupe months
04:31.41SpeedEvilno
04:32.05ce_geekSpeedEvil:  I'm in love.  I _HAAAAAAAAAATE_ cameras!
04:32.07ce_geekSpeedEvil:  GSM?
04:32.13SpeedEvilyes
04:32.18ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Can you talk to it with JTAG and stuff?
04:32.24SpeedEvilyes
04:32.30SpeedEvilthough the debug board is extra
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04:32.39ce_geekSpeedEvil:  How much?
04:32.41SpeedEvilI2C and SPI solderpoints
04:32.44SpeedEvil$150
04:32.55SpeedEvilhowever
04:33.11SpeedEvilthe price may change - it's been the better part of a year since announce
04:33.18ce_geekSpeedEvil:  up or down?
04:33.25SpeedEvilown I imagine
04:33.42SpeedEvilas the specs are no longer so shiny
04:33.44RobotGuyDown would be good.  I want to get a new phone.
04:33.50ce_geekSpeedEvil:  That's cool.
04:34.15ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Now if they made it waterproof...... omg.
04:34.44ce_geekSpeedEvil:  recently bricked a SLVR L2 by dropping it in a tiny puddle.  Works, but it doesn't transmit voice, just echoes it.  :(
04:35.04RobotGuyEchoPhone
04:35.06ce_geek$20 GO-Phone to the rescue!  Works with my SIM.
04:35.52ce_geekRobotGuy:  cute.
04:36.47ce_geekOMG I'm ssh'd to the hammer board.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
04:36.56SpeedEvil:
04:36.56SpeedEvil))
04:37.08RobotGuyce_geek: Quite a rush the first time, isn't it? :)
04:37.15ce_geekYuh.
04:37.21SpeedEvilSIM/gsm adds nice flexibility
04:37.26ce_geekOkay, now where's the scripts that auto-set IPs?
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04:37.34RobotGuyI felt the same when I was able to ping an outside site from my Hammer.
04:37.46ce_geekSpeedEvil:  Yeah.  A friend just switched to a non-sim provider.  I'd shoot myself.
04:37.47RobotGuyce_geek: It's called inittab
04:37.56ce_geekRobotGuy:  Ahh okay.
04:38.05ce_geek/etc/rc.conf is where my desktop keeps that crap.
04:38.13RobotGuyMy inittab has so much stuff I've added.
04:38.33ce_geekRobotGuy:  How hard to do DHCP?  Get to compile that too?
04:38.55RobotGuyce_geek: No idea on that, sorry.  I use static IPs.
04:39.05ce_geekRobotGuy:  no biggie.
04:39.17ce_geekRobotGuy:  Okay.... how tricky is BOA?  That would just be the cat's ass......
04:39.39RobotGuyce_geek: No problem to build.  I have not configured it though.
04:45.10ce_geekRobotGuy,
04:45.19ce_geekRobotGuy:  I don't believe it included BOA.  :(
04:45.24ce_geekRobotGuy:  Rootfs didn't change.
04:45.31ce_geekRobotGuy:  Must have missed something.
04:47.43ce_geekRobotGuy:  Heh.  I redirected the output of 'make' after a 'make rootclean' and a 'make menuconfig' which included (*)boa to a file.  grep -i boa shows nothing :(
04:48.11ce_geekRobotGuy:  Somethin's broken.
04:48.28RobotGuyce_geek: I use tee to do that.  That way I get it on the console and logged to a file.
04:48.35ce_geekyeah
04:48.45ce_geekRobotGuy:  So how do I finger out why it's not compiling boa?
04:49.08ce_geekRobotGuy:  mebbie it's already compiled..... but, I did a find on / on the hammer, and didn't find anything that said boa
04:49.22ce_geekRobotGuy:  Where does the boa stuff live?
04:49.27RobotGuy1) make rootclean, 2)  build rootfs.  You can look in the project root/bin and root/usr/bin to see what binaries are in your initrd.
04:49.59RobotGuyDid you flash hammer with the new rootfs?
04:50.14ce_geekRobotGuy:  Yuh
04:50.24RobotGuyCheck the project root dirs
04:50.31ce_geekGah I forget which dirs.
04:50.53RobotGuybuildroot/project_build_arm/project
04:50.59RobotGuy<project>
04:51.08ce_geekthere's stuff for b oa in build_arm/
04:51.22RobotGuyI use environment variables to remember all the paths.
04:51.39RobotGuyDo make again from buildroot.
04:52.06ce_geeknothing in /usr or /usr/bin
04:52.16RobotGuyIn the project dir?
04:52.20ce_geekright
04:52.28RobotGuyHow about /bin
04:52.54ce_geekwait, there's stuff.  I just didn't see 'boa'
04:53.03RobotGuyDon't forget /sbin and /usr/sbin
04:53.38RobotGuyI am pretty sure the executable is called boa
04:54.03ce_geekRobotGuy:  yeah, something's wonky because it's not there.  I'm in buildroot/project_build_arm/Hammer and find | grep -i boa shows nothing.
04:54.38ce_geekBR2_PACKAGE_BOA=y in .config
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04:55.28ce_geekHAHA.  I win.
04:55.36RobotGuyOh yeah?
04:55.50ce_geekI removed the boa stuff from build_arm and ran make again.  It stuck boa in there that time.
04:56.13RobotGuyHmmmm.  Reason to run make rootclean before each build.
04:56.22ce_geekRobotGuy:  I had run it.  Several times.
04:56.28ce_geekRobotGuy:  It didn't do the deed.
04:56.48RobotGuyNo idea then, sorry.
04:57.04ce_geekRobotGuy:  might have had a botched run at some point and messed stuff up.
04:58.30ce_geekYep.  If I do 'make rootclean; make' it doesn't put the boa stuff in there.
04:58.59RobotGuyHmmm, I don't see any 'boa' either.  Search for httpd
04:59.35ce_geekcd build_arm; rm -rf boa*; make rootclean; make puts it there.
04:59.40ce_geeker
04:59.40ce_geekwell
04:59.48ce_geekcd ../ before make rootclean and make.
04:59.57ce_geekRobotGuy:  Funky....
04:59.57RobotGuyHey if it works.. :)
05:00.04ce_geekRobotGuy:  Yeah but I dunno why.
05:00.12ce_geekRobotGuy:  Grr.
05:00.22ce_geekRobotGuy:  I gotta go before I get towed.  Later!
05:00.34RobotGuyOK see ya again soon!
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05:49.17landleySo my nail board turned out to be under the couch the entire time I was in houston. :P
05:49.54landleyNo time to do anything with it this weekend (helping Fade move everything from the apartment into the condo), but when I head back to houston I'm bringing it with me _this_ time. :)
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15:52.19adyerI am looking for SDIO wifi cards working with arm linux.  I know it's been discussed before, any hints as to a good card?
15:55.58cbrakeadyer: I just got a Embedded works Marvell 8686 eval board, but have not had time to try it yet
15:57.52adyercbrake: thanks
16:00.14cbrakeadyer: I was able to at least get the driver to load and see the card with an 8385 module: http://bec-systems.com/web/content/view/89/9/
16:00.40cbrakeadyer: and the OpenMoko folks are making good progress with the AR6K modules
16:01.03cbrakeadyer: so my first choice would be an 8686 module and then maybe an AR6K module
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19:18.01purlprpplague <n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 20h 27m 31s ago, saying: 'later folks'.
19:35.04RobotGuyAnyone here familiar enough with TCT kernel code to help with a bug in porting a 2.6.24.3 kernel to Hammer??
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23:19.02cajakaMirell, you know much about smart phones?

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