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| 03:41.02 | sunrunner20 | http://brainspore.net/blog/archives/3-ARP-DOS-UTD.html |
| 03:41.06 | sunrunner20 | >_< |
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| 14:39.10 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 15:58.19 | MothaWork | anybody know enough about the ARM7TDMI pipeline to help me figure out some cycle counts? mine seem incorrect |
| 15:59.30 | SpeedEvil | I suppose 'just measure it' isn't helpful. |
| 15:59.58 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do? |
| 16:00.06 | MothaWork | I'm trying to calibrate a spin delay loop |
| 16:00.28 | MothaWork | which, while I could do experimentally, seems the less than ideal solution |
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| 18:12.31 | diJenerate | hi all |
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| 18:38.14 | RobotGuy | Mornin' |
| 18:38.49 | RobotGuy | ~seen prpplague |
| 18:38.50 | purl | prpplague <n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 1d 4h 20m 33s ago, saying: 'sounds like a nice use for the nail board'. |
| 18:39.05 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 18:39.24 | Plugh | Only four days ago? |
| 18:39.37 | Plugh | On the channel where I usually see him, he hasn't been around for over 4 days |
| 18:40.00 | RobotGuy | 1day 4 hours |
| 18:43.36 | RobotGuy | My WiFi is not reliable. It keeps losing configuration for some reason. |
| 18:43.48 | RobotGuy | (on the Hammer Board) |
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| 19:27.14 | SpeedEvil | Do you get any yusb error messages. |
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| 19:52.44 | RobotGuy | Boo |
| 19:52.53 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: booboo |
| 19:53.07 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Hi |
| 19:53.16 | ce_geek | prpplague, RobotGuy: Howdy. I'm back from my trip. Tired as hell, and way behind on the thesis. :( |
| 19:54.36 | RobotGuy | Better get to work on it then! |
| 19:55.10 | RobotGuy | I'm stuck in Windows for now. Kubuntu won't boot. :( |
| 19:55.59 | prpplague | ce_geek: greetings, yea, i've been sick the last couple of days, haven't had time to anything |
| 19:56.05 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague |
| 19:56.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I hope you are feeling better. |
| 19:56.19 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 19:56.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: trying |
| 19:56.35 | RobotGuy | I have not felt well all week. |
| 19:56.39 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yikes! |
| 19:56.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: I suppose that pushes the new software release into next week? |
| 19:57.04 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I have a nice cold ... and my mother is coming visiting this weekend ... yay!!! :( |
| 19:57.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: gonna try for friday, i've got most of it done |
| 19:57.12 | RobotGuy | I think I am going to have to reinstall Kubuntu. |
| 19:57.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh, slick!. |
| 19:58.03 | RobotGuy | I think I am going to have to wait for a 2.6.24 kernel. My WiFi keeps losing config. |
| 19:58.49 | RobotGuy | I have my hammer carrier board mounted on W.A.L.T.E.R. now. |
| 19:59.12 | ce_geek | prpplague: I had a problem late last week where I was trying to get something added to the rootfs. Boa, I think. I eventually figured out that it wouldn't happen until I removed build_arm/boa-0.94.14rc21, even after doing a 'make rootclean' |
| 19:59.40 | prpplague | ce_geek: thats interesting |
| 20:00.03 | RobotGuy | I found a bug in the build for ncurses, but have not figured out how to fix it. |
| 20:00.44 | Plugh | prpplague: There you are |
| 20:01.01 | RobotGuy | It could potentially break stuff that uses terminfo. |
| 20:01.02 | prpplague | Plugh: yea, been out sick, got your email |
| 20:01.09 | prpplague | Plugh: you get my reply? |
| 20:01.20 | Plugh | prpplague: Hope you are feeling better today |
| 20:01.35 | prpplague | Plugh: only about 50% |
| 20:02.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If you build ncurses - the terminfo link it creates is wrong. |
| 20:02.15 | Plugh | prpplague: Its still an improvement |
| 20:02.24 | prpplague | Plugh: indeed |
| 20:02.43 | Plugh | prpplague: Yes, I have it. I did find the downloads area via the forums but it still didn't seem that there was an actual manual in there. |
| 20:03.06 | RobotGuy | Plugh: Manual for what? |
| 20:03.18 | prpplague | Plugh: most dev boards don't come with a "manual" per se |
| 20:03.27 | prpplague | Plugh: what kind of stuff were you looking for? |
| 20:04.18 | Plugh | Something that shows a diagram of the board, points to the bits and pieces and tells you what everything is. Also, a schematic would be good. Addresses needed to access the various peripherals. |
| 20:04.45 | Plugh | prpplague: Even the usual cautionary info about what to do and not to do when hooking things up. |
| 20:05.16 | prpplague | Plugh: http://littlechips.com/downloads/customer/CD_Images/LN2440SBC/DesignResources/Schematics/ |
| 20:05.41 | ds2 | prpplague: one day cold? :) |
| 20:05.53 | prpplague | ds2: more like three |
| 20:06.04 | ds2 | :) |
| 20:07.01 | RobotGuy | That isn't a Hammer Carrier schematic. |
| 20:07.25 | prpplague | Plugh: generally speaking most dev boards don't come with that kind of info unless you pay big $$$ for the support |
| 20:07.40 | prpplague | Plugh: the datasheet for the s3c2440 has all the addresses |
| 20:07.53 | prpplague | Plugh: you can match them up between the schematic and the datasheet |
| 20:07.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Isn't that different than for the s3c2410? |
| 20:08.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the s3c2440 is the 400mhz version of the s3c2410 |
| 20:08.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: with a few additional features |
| 20:08.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh! I want that. :) |
| 20:09.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: pin compatible with the 2410? |
| 20:09.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no |
| 20:09.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you see my comment on ncurses? |
| 20:09.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 20:10.03 | Plugh | prpplague: ok. This will help (I hope). There is some odd looking device in the picture of the board beside the power connector. I have no clue what that thing is supposed to be. |
| 20:11.23 | prpplague | Plugh: http://littlechips.com/images/new_home_2440/2440main/2440board.jpg |
| 20:11.44 | prpplague | Plugh: you said near the power connector? |
| 20:11.45 | Plugh | The silver box on the left corner of the picture |
| 20:12.01 | Plugh | Right beside the white connector |
| 20:12.02 | prpplague | Plugh: IR receiver |
| 20:12.11 | Plugh | Oh, ok. |
| 20:12.38 | Plugh | They have packed a huge amount of stuff on this one tiny board. |
| 20:13.12 | prpplague | hehe, ours is about 1/3 the size of that without the connectors |
| 20:14.51 | prpplague | Plugh: our 2440 board is just slightly smaller than a creditcard |
| 20:16.17 | Plugh | prpplague: and what did you have to leave off to make it that small? |
| 20:17.37 | prpplague | Plugh: connectors |
| 20:17.49 | prpplague | Plugh: just has two molex headers |
| 20:19.20 | Plugh | Ah. First thing I need to do is add some standoffs to the main board. |
| 20:19.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is that Sledge with the 2440? |
| 20:19.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no, the sledge has a 2410 |
| 20:20.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Many more pins exposed to the outside though. :) |
| 20:20.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ? |
| 20:20.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Isn't Sledge larger than hammer with more pins? |
| 20:21.04 | prpplague | yep |
| 20:21.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So more of the 2410's pins are brought to the outside, right? |
| 20:21.49 | prpplague | correct |
| 20:22.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am happy about that and would love to see a pinout of Sledge. |
| 20:23.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll see if i have time to post the pinouts this week |
| 20:23.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That would be very cool! Get well first though. |
| 20:24.18 | RobotGuy | I'm not going to post my WiFi info on the Wiki. |
| 20:24.35 | MothaWork | prpplague: know much about the ARM7TDMI pipeline? |
| 20:24.50 | ce_geek | SLEDGE?! First I've heard of this, that's awesome. |
| 20:25.03 | prpplague | MothaWork: some, its just a basic 3 stage |
| 20:25.30 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/SledgeHammer_Board |
| 20:25.40 | MothaWork | prpplague: I'm trying to calibrate a delay loop |
| 20:25.54 | MothaWork | I came up with 6 cycles per iteration, but it seems to take 8 |
| 20:26.02 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Sledge is a Hammer on steroids (more I/O pins). I don't know if it is faster though. |
| 20:26.15 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Fine by me! When is it coming out? |
| 20:26.25 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: No idea. |
| 20:26.59 | RobotGuy | I don't mind a larger module as long as I get more I/O pins to play with. :D:D |
| 20:27.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: When is the sledge coming out? That is awesome. |
| 20:28.06 | ce_geek | prpplague: I almost recommended that something be done to provide access to some of the lost I/O pins, and there's the answer. Beautiful. |
| 20:28.47 | prpplague | ce_geek: the sledge hammer is complete, we are just waiting to see how demand is for the hammer |
| 20:28.55 | Plugh | Figures that with the name "hammer" someone would have to make something and stick "sledge" in the name. :-) |
| 20:29.08 | ce_geek | prpplague: Would sledge replace it? |
| 20:29.26 | prpplague | ce_geek: no, just another product line |
| 20:29.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: Beautiful. |
| 20:30.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Will we be able to add more memory to Sledge (RAM and Flash)? |
| 20:30.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: I see that you're busy. As far as that BOA thing goes, I'm not sure if I am just doing something wrong or if it has something funky to do with buildroot, or just my buildroot. If there's any chance it's not just me, let me know what to send you for details if yout want to look at it later. |
| 20:31.20 | prpplague | ce_geek: i just finished the boa build, but i didn't see any errors |
| 20:31.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no |
| 20:31.51 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'm still getting caught up from missing yesterday |
| 20:31.52 | ce_geek | if I do a 'make rootclean' and then type 'make' again, the boa stuff is not in /home/roger/hammer/source/buildroot/project_build_arm/Hammer/root |
| 20:32.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh ok, sounds like an improper stamp |
| 20:32.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'll catch you some other time wrt this issue. |
| 20:32.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'll do some tests |
| 20:32.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: Let me know if I can do any investigations to save you time. I'll be AFK for a while though. |
| 20:32.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: tomorrow i should be caught up |
| 20:32.52 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool. I'm curious what you mean by stamp, if you have a sec to explain. |
| 20:33.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: There are . files that sometimes don't get set right. Those are stamps. |
| 20:33.44 | prpplague | ce_geek: after each step in the process of the build an empty file is generate to stamp it as being complete |
| 20:33.46 | Plugh | prpplague: No rush on the request I made in the e-mail, btw. I won't have much time to play with the new boards until the weekend. Possibly sooner if I finish off some documentation before then. |
| 20:33.51 | RobotGuy | Like .installed .compiled, etc. |
| 20:33.59 | prpplague | Plugh: ok thanks |
| 20:35.32 | Plugh | prpplague: I'm used to the TS-7250 board from Technologic Systems (used in my current project). They have a nice manual with I/O port address, etc. that can be downloaded. I'll poke around in the downloads area as time permits and print out a copy of the schematic. |
| 20:36.35 | prpplague | Plugh: if you have email the url for that download |
| 20:36.43 | prpplague | Plugh: i'd like to see what more people are asking for |
| 20:36.52 | chouimat|work | too bad they are out of ts-7800 |
| 20:36.59 | prpplague | Plugh: i'm jaded since i usually just expect to get a datasheet and schematic |
| 20:37.08 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: That TS-7800 is an awesome board. |
| 20:37.49 | Plugh | prpplague: Oh. you wanted to see the URL for where one can get the TS docs? |
| 20:37.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Faster, More RAM, More Flash, More I/O pins. :D:D:D:D |
| 20:38.16 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: I had to cancel my order yesterday ... might order it again later or simply get another AVR32 board (I have the ngw100) so I might order the stk1000 |
| 20:38.43 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: Oh, cool, order one for me too! :D |
| 20:38.57 | chouimat|work | RobotGuy: no :) |
| 20:39.46 | RobotGuy | There is an AVR32 seminar here this month but I can't afford to go. :( :( ;( |
| 20:40.16 | RobotGuy | I got my website and e-mail switched over to a new web hoster. :D:D |
| 20:41.21 | Plugh | prpplague: URL is on its way. For anyone else who may be interested --> http://www.embeddedarm.com/support/index.php |
| 20:43.21 | prpplague | thanks |
| 20:43.26 | prpplague | i'll have a look |
| 20:44.35 | Plugh | I'm somewhat spoiled by the riches of docs that was available for the TS-7250. Plus the available Yahoo! group / mailing list. |
| 20:47.08 | Plugh | I think its time I get back to finishing off some last details on this project including the docs. |
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| 21:51.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ah, cool. (Re: stamps.) Easy way to point me to the stamp for boa? Does it have a readable name? |
| 21:54.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: in the build_arm/boa directory you can do a: ls -al |
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| 21:54.26 | prpplague | ce_geek: should see some entries like .configured , .compiled, .installed |
| 22:02.32 | ce_geek | prpplague: After successful build, the boa_workdir has .installed, but not .compiled and .configured |
| 22:03.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh sounds like something failed during your boa build |
| 22:03.11 | ce_geek | prpplague; There is also boa-0.94.14rc21, which has .unpacked |
| 22:03.32 | ce_geek | prpplague: If the build failed, why does .installed exist? |
| 22:03.42 | ce_geek | prpplague: Get installed regardless of successful build? |
| 22:04.10 | prpplague | ce_geek: that is most odd |
| 22:06.21 | ce_geek | plugh: Hello. You mentioned something earlier about documentation. Just curious, what are you documenting? |
| 22:07.19 | prpplague | ce_geek: a s3c2440 board from littlechips.com |
| 22:07.27 | ce_geek | prpplague: ah. |
| 22:08.29 | ce_geek | prpplague: Competitor? |
| 22:08.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: i suspect that something related to your distro is causing a problem |
| 22:08.56 | prpplague | ce_geek: not really, they are more for OEM to do platform testing |
| 22:09.06 | ce_geek | prpplague: ah ok |
| 22:10.00 | ce_geek | prpplague: That would be funkyish. I need to go remember how to use a few tools (script) and I can do a better job getting the output of the stuff I do recorded. |
| 22:10.51 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is the boa_workdir unique to boa? the workdir seems odd. |
| 22:20.34 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea that's an item unique to boa |
| 22:23.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: i checked my root image, it seems to have installed all of the boa properly into project_build_arm/Hammer/root/usr/sbin |
| 22:23.36 | ce_geek | if you do 'make rootclean', and then 'make', does boa get put back in project_build_arm/Hammer/root/usr/sbin ? |
| 22:24.15 | ce_geek | prpplague: For me, it does not, unless I do 'rm -rf /build_arm/boa*' first. |
| 22:25.22 | ce_geek | er, 'rm -rf build_arm/boa*' <---- no leading "/" before build_arm. |
| 22:29.08 | prpplague | ce_geek: checking |
| 22:29.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: yep, it does seem to be broken |
| 22:30.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay. I'm glad that's corroborated. |
| 22:30.07 | ce_geek | prpplague: Thanks for taking a look. |
| 22:30.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: looks like the .installed stamp isn't getting removed |
| 22:31.12 | ce_geek | prpplague: When should that get removed? Right after it gets copied into project_build_arm/Hammer/root/blah ? |
| 22:31.34 | prpplague | ce_geek: when the rootclean is issued |
| 22:31.46 | ce_geek | prpplague: Ah. |
| 22:32.22 | ce_geek | prpplague: FWIW, I removed just .installed, and that does in fact fix it. |
| 22:33.33 | ce_geek | prpplague: ..... 'make rootclean' does this: rm -rf $(TARGET_DIR) $(PROJECT_BUILD_DIR)/.root $(IMAGE)* Trying to figure out where that would delete the .installed file for boa, or any other package. |
| 22:35.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, rootclean was a hack to rebuild the directory if there was error |
| 22:35.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: you normally don't have to do a make rootclean everytime |
| 22:35.23 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh. |
| 22:35.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: are you issuing a make rootclean after every build? |
| 22:35.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: yeah. |
| 22:35.51 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 22:35.54 | prpplague | ce_geek: you don't have to |
| 22:35.56 | ce_geek | Ah |
| 22:36.03 | prpplague | ce_geek: only if there was a problem with your root |
| 22:36.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: Good to know. Is there still a brokenness with that .install not getting deleted? Seems like that's something that should happen during 'make' not during 'make rootclean' |
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| 22:39.07 | prpplague | ce_geek: make rootclean was kind of a hack and doesn't really do all the checking it is suppose to |
| 22:39.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay |
| 22:39.23 | prpplague | ce_geek: if you are really needing to do a clean build without problems |
| 22:39.33 | prpplague | ce_geek: there are several other clean options |
| 22:39.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: let me get the one you probably will need to use |
| 22:40.33 | ce_geek | 'make clean' usually does it :-P (did that a few times.... whoops.) |
| 22:40.57 | ce_geek | Cleans 'er right out. |
| 22:43.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea proabably need to add staging_dir to the rootclean |
| 22:43.12 | prpplague | ce_geek: that would probably be better |
| 22:45.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: Good 'nuff. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:46.25 | prpplague | ce_geek: np, i'm usually more help, but i'm behind and not feeling 100% today |
| 22:46.56 | ce_geek | prpplague: 110% understood. |
| 22:47.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: Not a problem at all. |
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