| 00:00.30 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 00:04.36 | Dr{Who} | so the current distro has a 3.6M ext2 root fs |
| 00:04.50 | Dr{Who} | wonder how much pain this will be.. i will be expanding that a bit right away. |
| 00:05.06 | Dr{Who} | wonder if i will have to adjust the apex flashing configs? |
| 00:09.32 | Dr{Who} | not sure my brain can process this many new utils in one day.. ugg |
| 00:09.51 | Dr{Who} | lets try 4meg |
| 00:11.48 | Dr{Who} | cool that worked. |
| 00:12.24 | Dr{Who} | now all i have to do is dump busybox's intit and tweek mine to work correctly on this setup.. |
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| 00:13.18 | RobotGuy | My initrd is a bit larger. |
| 00:13.58 | RobotGuy | It depends how large your initrd gets. If it gets real big, you will have to modify the APEX sources to change two values. |
| 00:14.29 | RobotGuy | You will know if you have to do this if you start getting "length errors" on bootup. |
| 00:15.23 | RobotGuy | My Hammer has about 16 - 17 MB RAM available. |
| 00:33.13 | Dr{Who} | well lets see if i can get a real bash running.. busybox's bash sux $%#@ |
| 00:34.17 | Dr{Who} | also loading up mtd utils and file system utils |
| 00:41.40 | RobotGuy | Yes, I know that sucks in Busybox. I built the real bash. |
| 00:42.14 | Dr{Who} | well worth the 500k imho |
| 00:42.21 | RobotGuy | Yes, I agree. |
| 00:42.51 | RobotGuy | I need to try building netkit also - some of the busybox net utils like route also suck. |
| 00:43.18 | Dr{Who} | ya i prefer ip command |
| 00:43.29 | RobotGuy | iproute? |
| 00:45.12 | Dr{Who} | ip utility |
| 00:45.23 | Dr{Who} | /sbin/ip -h |
| 00:45.23 | Dr{Who} | Usage: ip [ OPTIONS ] OBJECT { COMMAND | help } |
| 00:45.23 | Dr{Who} | where OBJECT := { link | addr | route | rule | neigh | tunnel | |
| 00:45.23 | Dr{Who} | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.23 | Dr{Who} | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.24 | Dr{Who} | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.52 | Dr{Who} | replaces a lot of the old utils |
| 00:46.11 | RobotGuy | Ah, OK. |
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| 00:47.03 | RobotGuy | Hi ce_geek |
| 00:47.12 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy |
| 00:47.38 | ce_geek | That's a bummer. |
| 00:47.39 | ce_geek | :-P |
| 00:47.51 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I am moving websites to a new web hoster. |
| 00:47.58 | ce_geek | Need windows for that? |
| 00:47.59 | ce_geek | :-P |
| 00:48.13 | ce_geek | J/K |
| 00:48.18 | RobotGuy | Yes, because I use Macromedia Fireworks and Dreamweaver for website stuff. |
| 00:48.21 | RobotGuy | :P |
| 00:48.27 | RobotGuy | And 3D CAD. |
| 00:48.29 | ce_geek | I should force myself to use Windows for a while so I don't feel useless when I start my new job. |
| 00:48.44 | RobotGuy | Install Linux and use VMWare. :D |
| 00:48.52 | Dr{Who} | : c ) ya or qemu |
| 00:49.05 | ce_geek | I should probably even acquire Vista so I can learn all of its annoyances. |
| 00:49.24 | RobotGuy | If you have to work in a Windows shop, you need to do as the Romans do.. |
| 00:49.40 | ce_geek | ? |
| 00:49.44 | ce_geek | Romans? |
| 00:49.55 | RobotGuy | Guys where I worked at my last job used Linux and VMware. |
| 00:50.06 | RobotGuy | You have to do as the people at work do (Romans). |
| 00:50.52 | ce_geek | All the computer labs in our ECE department run Fedora with VMware to provide some support for some Windows-only apps we have. |
| 00:51.04 | RobotGuy | I just put forums, a wiki, and blogs on one of my sites. |
| 00:51.30 | ce_geek | I looked at getting that happening on my workstation, and it seemed like it is a pain to create the virtual machine, but that "playing" the virtual machine was pretty easy. |
| 00:51.43 | ce_geek | The netadmins said they built the VM they use with some commercial stuff :-/ |
| 00:51.56 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: I understand once VMware is working, it is worth all the hassel to get it setup. |
| 00:52.43 | ce_geek | Hoping to be in a better place by early-mid next week to spend tons of time with the Hammer. I've lost so much time to debugging some things I need to help complete chapters in my thesis. |
| 00:54.00 | ce_geek | Anyone played with Boa? I might allow myself to be distracted with that later. |
| 00:54.22 | RobotGuy | I have not played with Boa yet, but have built it for my rootfs on the thumb drive. |
| 00:55.03 | ce_geek | I gotta get Hello World! done soon too. That will be good. Not sure how to get it into the rootfs though with buildroot. |
| 00:58.08 | Dr{Who} | just mount the ext2 loop filesystem add your file and unmount it |
| 00:58.40 | Dr{Who} | you will have to unzip it first then mount it modify your files then unmount and rezip it |
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| 01:06.18 | Dr{Who} | to just play with the stock init just do this |
| 01:06.25 | Dr{Who} | mkdir /mnt/loop |
| 01:06.40 | Dr{Who} | unzip rootfs.arm.ext2.gz |
| 01:06.51 | Dr{Who} | mount -o loop rootfs.arm.ext2 /mnt/loop |
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| 01:07.03 | Dr{Who} | then just unmount it when you are done. and rezip it |
| 01:08.46 | ce_geek | Dr{Who}: Thanks, that's helpful. |
| 01:08.54 | Dr{Who} | np |
| 01:19.34 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: You may get to figure out how to add a package to buildroot. :) I have to do that to for a port of eggdrop. |
| 01:20.16 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: What is eggdrop? |
| 01:20.28 | Dr{Who} | tcl based irc bot |
| 01:20.33 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: eggdrop is an IRC bot. TCL based. |
| 01:20.48 | RobotGuy | W.A.L.T.E.R. will be a REAL IRC bot. :D |
| 01:21.08 | RobotGuy | I have done extensive IRC Bot programming in the past, including with Alice. |
| 01:21.24 | ce_geek | And by the way, is there a list of these nifty packages with explanations? I mean, how would I have known that "dropbear" was an ssh client/server? Okay well, I guess I could google it, but going the other direction is hard. "SSH software for tiny embedded devices..." |
| 01:22.00 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Tab over to <Help> for the app you want to know about - sometimes it is actually helpful. :) |
| 01:22.03 | Dr{Who} | if you run make menuconfig under buildroot some of the packages have descriptions |
| 01:22.12 | Dr{Who} | ya what he said : c ) |
| 01:22.21 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 01:22.45 | RobotGuy | I still want to get a case/psu for my 3rd PC. |
| 01:23.15 | ce_geek | Ah, I see the descriptions. Cool. |
| 01:24.05 | RobotGuy | That reminds me, I still have to add Squeak to my buildroot. |
| 01:30.49 | RobotGuy | Now I just have to wait for this large site to upload and I can do other stuff. I should work on my BRAT while I am in Windows. |
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| 01:51.13 | Dr{Who} | looks like the default apex only copies 1024k of data to the ram drive |
| 01:51.30 | Dr{Who} | and i went over.. |
| 02:26.12 | Dr{Who} | ok must be patches for apex.. the source on the cd does not have hammer support |
| 02:26.22 | Dr{Who} | and i dont see a patch on the cd |
| 02:27.05 | Dr{Who} | this will be a bit of a show stopper for the day |
| 02:32.08 | ce_geek | Dr{Who}: What happened? |
| 02:32.27 | Dr{Who} | the cd i have at least does not have a version of apex source that is correct |
| 02:32.36 | ce_geek | Oh |
| 02:32.39 | Dr{Who} | its missing patches that would allow it to work with the hammer |
| 02:32.43 | Dr{Who} | so i cant rebuild apex |
| 02:32.55 | ce_geek | That's.... frustrating. |
| 02:32.59 | Dr{Who} | i dont see anything on google.. |
| 02:33.29 | Dr{Who} | just an oversight im sure .. but ya im dead in the water. i dont even want to begin to guess what that patch has in it. |
| 02:33.30 | ce_geek | Unfortunately that's a bit over my head for the time being. I've got the hammer board, just haven't had time to do much more than play with buildroot |
| 02:33.58 | ce_geek | Is it screwed beyond being able to flash over the original apex? |
| 02:34.12 | Dr{Who} | buildroot is a lot go get ones brain around.. |
| 02:34.47 | ce_geek | Yeah. Quite an animal |
| 02:34.49 | Dr{Who} | well my new init is over 1024k so i have to modify apex to handle moving the larger init into the ram0 dirve |
| 02:35.09 | ce_geek | Oh okay. |
| 02:35.17 | ce_geek | gotcha |
| 02:36.12 | Dr{Who} | the value is just a string in the file and maybe i could just hexedit it but um who knows. buildign a new one was my preferred choice. |
| 02:36.14 | Dr{Who} | : c ) |
| 02:36.35 | ce_geek | Hah. |
| 02:36.46 | ce_geek | I say go for it :) |
| 02:37.15 | Dr{Who} | hehe ya im installing khexedit : c ) |
| 02:37.42 | ce_geek | hehe |
| 02:37.52 | ce_geek | What are you doing with the hammer, just curious? |
| 02:38.13 | Dr{Who} | trying to get my own distro to run on it |
| 02:38.28 | ce_geek | Dr{Who}: Oh. Just for giggles? |
| 02:38.30 | Dr{Who} | my distro is based upon the old oxygen distro |
| 02:38.51 | ce_geek | Dr{Who}: Were you the one that was talking a while ago about doing a project for a customer? |
| 02:39.10 | Dr{Who} | no i prefer this method for embeded devices allows you to modify files init's etc on a flash device and not have to reflash the device |
| 02:39.23 | ce_geek | Interesting |
| 02:39.41 | Dr{Who} | basicly etc can be saved to flash and reloaded during boot |
| 02:39.48 | Dr{Who} | or you can add new packages |
| 02:39.56 | ce_geek | Would you mind emailing me with the solution to your apex issue when you solve it? I'm sort of passively collecting details for some documentation I'm going to produce soon. |
| 02:42.15 | Dr{Who} | ya the solution will be for it to be added to the cd |
| 02:42.35 | ce_geek | haha ok |
| 02:42.54 | Dr{Who} | its just a patch that is missing so we cant build it from scratch |
| 02:43.00 | ce_geek | Ah okay. |
| 02:43.03 | ce_geek | That makes sense. |
| 02:43.14 | Dr{Who} | he must have made some specific tweeks for the hammer.. |
| 02:43.19 | Dr{Who} | for apex |
| 02:47.42 | Dr{Who} | this should be interesting. |
| 02:48.32 | ce_geek | Hexing? |
| 02:48.38 | Dr{Who} | yep |
| 02:48.57 | ce_geek | Just for giggles, what do you use for a desktop linux distro? |
| 02:49.02 | Dr{Who} | i change it from 1024 to 2048 |
| 02:49.18 | Dr{Who} | suse 10.3 currently |
| 02:50.06 | ce_geek | Suse! I don't hear about Suse much. |
| 02:50.09 | ce_geek | once in a while. |
| 02:50.15 | ce_geek | Arch Linux here. |
| 02:50.39 | Dr{Who} | well opensuse technically |
| 02:51.18 | Dr{Who} | hmm worked but didnt fix my problem |
| 02:51.38 | Dr{Who} | i have to make a bigger ramdisk on the kernel too i bet its too small |
| 02:51.42 | ce_geek | Gah |
| 02:52.03 | ce_geek | From the little that I have played with the hammer board, it has taught me more about Linux on a desktop. :) |
| 02:52.20 | Dr{Who} | heh ya thats one way to learn.. |
| 02:52.59 | ce_geek | There are some things that just don't become issues on a desktop, but they show up in the embedded world. |
| 02:53.21 | ce_geek | Certainly depends what kind of things you're doing with your workstation I guess. |
| 02:54.05 | Dr{Who} | my distro started with linux 2.0 and is a distro from scrach. linux from scratch is a good way to learn |
| 03:00.04 | Dr{Who} | one pita about buildroot is getting peices to build sometimes its a pain |
| 03:02.54 | Dr{Who} | ok loading a new kernel lets see if that was it. |
| 03:03.18 | Dr{Who} | well i know it is. i should say what other problems will happen next : c / |
| 03:04.08 | Dr{Who} | not bad though 12 hours total on bench time and i have built allmost everything from scratch. |
| 03:04.37 | Dr{Who} | this is an easy platform to work with.. imho.. much easier than my atmeg128 amber board |
| 03:19.52 | ce_geek | Cool cool |
| 03:19.55 | Dr{Who} | blaaa.. nope.. i have to rebuild apex to set CONFIG_RAMDISK_SIZE |
| 03:20.02 | ce_geek | :( |
| 03:20.19 | Dr{Who} | ok im done then till pp gets back. |
| 03:21.28 | Dr{Who} | ~seen prpplague |
| 03:21.30 | purl | prpplague <n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 2d 6h 49m 9s ago, saying: 'CosmicPenguin: gets pretty dangerous when it drops below freezing'. |
| 03:25.23 | Dr{Who} | well i sent out an email.. im out.. have a good one all. |
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