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| 15:49.56 | CosmicPenguin | gcc 4.3 is out - now with -march=geode... |
| 15:49.57 | CosmicPenguin | yay! |
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| 16:27.46 | SpeedEvil | March of the geodes'd be a rather more boring film though. |
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| 16:42.52 | CosmicPenguin | sez you |
| 16:46.19 | SpeedEvil | (and a non-sparkly bit of impure silicon one) |
| 16:48.49 | SpeedEvil | Actually 3m |
| 16:49.07 | SpeedEvil | OSM is doing things to me :) |
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| 18:21.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 18:23.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: hey, how's trux... |
| 18:23.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: well.........lets not go there |
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| 18:23.45 | GPSFan | ok, |
| 18:23.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: the enc28j60 driver got tweaked and submitted for 2.6.25 |
| 18:24.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: looks to be a real nice re-work of my original driver |
| 18:24.18 | GPSFan | good, who did the work? |
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| 18:25.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: guy named claudio that i sent the code to awhile back |
| 18:25.56 | prpplague | http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/25-rc1/drivers/net/enc28j60.c |
| 18:27.09 | GPSFan | prpplague: what about the rest of the kernel patches for the hammer => 2.6.25 ? any progress there? |
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| 18:27.30 | prpplague | yea, i made some progress, but i've deathly sick for the last week |
| 18:27.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm hoping to get everything ready by the end of next week |
| 18:27.55 | GPSFan | prpplague: sorry to hear that. you better now? |
| 18:28.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, health wise i'm doing better |
| 18:29.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: there has been some nasty crap going around, be careful you don't wind up with pneumonia |
| 18:29.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i think i had a mild case |
| 18:30.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: didn't get out of bed for 5 days |
| 18:30.21 | GPSFan | yuck.. |
| 18:30.26 | prpplague | indeed |
| 18:30.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: you familiar with the max3100 ? |
| 18:31.53 | GPSFan | http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm?qv_pk=1731 ..... that's the extent of my knowledge... sorry. |
| 18:32.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea been experimenting using it to add a console to designs/hacks that don't have a serial console |
| 18:32.55 | GPSFan | nice looking part, but can you get them in qty for production? |
| 18:33.11 | GPSFan | it is after all Maxim... |
| 18:33.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea maxim ic is bad about that, but this one is in full scale production |
| 18:33.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: mouser and digikey both carry it in volume |
| 18:34.05 | GPSFan | ah, then you are probably ok. |
| 18:34.35 | prpplague | besides its a low volume item, just experimenting right now |
| 18:35.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: done much hammer hacking? |
| 18:35.06 | landley | Does anyone have a comment on http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20080302comp.htm?iid=pr1_releasepri_20080302m ? |
| 18:35.51 | prpplague | landley: i'm way behind on the curve of this one, i only found out about that stuff about a month ago |
| 18:36.03 | prpplague | landley: CosmicPenguin seems more familiar with the info on it |
| 18:36.07 | landley | Apparently Intel got x86-64 down to 0.6-2.5 watts at 1.8 ghz. |
| 18:36.16 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 18:36.20 | landley | Not bad. :) |
| 18:36.28 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 18:36.30 | prpplague | landley: would be a pretty big bang for the UMPC market |
| 18:36.41 | GPSFan | atom-shmatom they got a long way to go to catch up to ARM |
| 18:36.55 | GPSFan | for deep embedded stuff |
| 18:37.08 | SpeedEvil | I'd love a 400MHz one at .2W |
| 18:37.24 | prpplague | landley: a few related posts - http://www.linuxdevices.com/cgi-bin/search_view.cgi |
| 18:37.29 | prpplague | landley: doh |
| 18:37.43 | prpplague | landley: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9471765996.html |
| 18:37.45 | landley | That lost cookies. |
| 18:38.00 | landley | I'll have to look at it in detail later, at work now... |
| 18:38.04 | prpplague | landley: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5492118276.html |
| 18:38.40 | prpplague | "Predictions that Intel's Atom processor will defeat ARM in the embedded market are premature, writes an analyst in EETimes. Atom may prove to be a little faster, writes Kenton Williston, but ARM chips are cheaper, more power efficient, smaller -- and they're here now. |
| 18:38.40 | prpplague | " |
| 18:39.00 | landley | Yup. |
| 18:39.10 | SpeedEvil | And I guess intels got more balls. |
| 18:39.15 | landley | Also iPhone is going to slowly kick PCs up into the server space. |
| 18:39.26 | landley | iPhone is to PC what PC was to minicomputer. |
| 18:39.39 | SpeedEvil | landley: very debatable IMO. |
| 18:39.41 | landley | Apple knows this, and is going for a land grab early. |
| 18:39.50 | SpeedEvil | landley: that assumes pervasive high speed networking. |
| 18:39.58 | landley | That's why it's a cell phone. |
| 18:40.24 | SpeedEvil | 802.11 was a _huge_ _massive_ missed opportunity. |
| 18:40.50 | SpeedEvil | Add in the option of a fixed way to configure pay-for VPNs into teh standard, and ... |
| 18:40.53 | ds2 | intel's just throwing tantrums after failing miserably with ARM ;) |
| 18:41.04 | landley | ds2: not _just_ throwing tantrums. |
| 18:41.29 | landley | They do have mondo manufacturing capability (smaller transistors than anybody but IBM). |
| 18:41.30 | SpeedEvil | So that anyone configuring a router gets a 'how much do you want outsiders to be able to use in terms of bandwidth and how much do you want them to pay for this' box |
| 18:41.46 | ds2 | landley: so? GIGO |
| 18:41.47 | landley | SpeedEvil: paying for wireless interent is about as interesting as the pay toilet. |
| 18:42.05 | landley | ds2: Alpha had a better design but worse manufacturing for years. |
| 18:42.17 | landley | I expect arm will probably still win, but this gives it some incentive to improve faster. |
| 18:42.25 | SpeedEvil | landley: micropayment that works everywere though. |
| 18:42.29 | landley | The iPhone/cell phone markets give it a big installed base. |
| 18:42.33 | landley | SpeedEvil: screw micropayments. |
| 18:42.34 | ds2 | landley: the thing is it is Intel against everyone else since almost everyone and their brother makes an ARM variant |
| 18:42.38 | landley | Anything with micropayments in it will fail. |
| 18:42.40 | landley | Always has. |
| 18:42.41 | SpeedEvil | landley: and is authorised anywhere there is wifi ont he other hand... |
| 18:42.54 | SpeedEvil | landley: always has does not mean always will. |
| 18:43.18 | landley | SpeedEvil: you're right, "always has and always will" are two seperate statements. |
| 18:43.28 | landley | My statement was more "always has and will continue to do so for the forseeable future". |
| 18:43.37 | landley | Always will is a bit strong for just about any context. |
| 18:44.20 | SpeedEvil | It requires a massive initial base. If all wifi routers had supported their own virtual currency from day 1, that would have been the installed base right htere. |
| 18:44.26 | prpplague | landley: the big pull for the Atom is going to be the "Idea" that you can code for your PC and compile easily for an Atom based device |
| 18:44.55 | prpplague | landley: many developers fear the idea of writing applications that need to be compile on one arch to run on another |
| 18:45.13 | landley | Hence my "compile under qemu with distcc" approach. :) |
| 18:45.22 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: and of course, the comforting fact that you can use windows on it. |
| 18:45.26 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: :/ |
| 18:45.33 | prpplague | landley: so if they think they can do it easier with the Atom based device, its going to be a big draw |
| 18:45.49 | landley | SpeedEvil: windows still hasn't gone 64 bit in any convincing manner. |
| 18:45.58 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: actually according to the info i've seen, currently xp and vista won't run on it |
| 18:46.06 | landley | 64 bit windows is like DOS with DPMI. It can be done, but it's not very interesting. |
| 18:46.12 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I was assuming some CE variant or something. |
| 18:46.26 | prpplague | yea, |
| 18:47.20 | landley | SpeedEvil: I was trying to use 802.11 in... 1999? It didn't work very well. |
| 18:47.55 | landley | The "if everybody had spontaneously agreed to use the same scrip" argument has been something economists have pointed and laughed at for hundreds of years now. |
| 18:48.32 | SpeedEvil | landley: and yet in some cases - for example GSM enabling easy swapping of phones - it happened. |
| 18:48.33 | landley | I had a couple wireless access points that only worked with their own pcmcia cards. It wasn't pretty. |
| 18:49.23 | landley | That wasn't spontaneous. That was extremely long and painful consortium negotiaton. |
| 18:49.24 | landley | http://www.gsmworld.com/about/history.shtml |
| 18:49.36 | landley | Among major telcos, not individuals. |
| 18:49.41 | prpplague | yea i had a bunch of the att wavelan stuff |
| 18:49.53 | SpeedEvil | I think I had some IBM wavelan cards |
| 18:50.05 | landley | Everybody who participated got to send a full time employee to the standards body for multiple years. They were big corporations with resources to devote to that sort of thing. |
| 18:50.07 | SpeedEvil | I think I still do. |
| 18:50.09 | landley | And I have to go do work rather than argue this. :) |
| 18:50.19 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 18:50.53 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 18:51.00 | prpplague | landley: have fun |
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| 18:58.16 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:58.23 | sunrunner20 | xilinix chips just appeared on "how its made" |
| 19:22.50 | ds2 | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| 19:22.58 | agaffney | indeed |
| 19:23.23 | sunrunner20 | yea, they were talking about PCBs |
| 19:23.39 | ds2 | turns out there is yet another register that controls the behavior of pins on this chip... but it isn't show as a mux in the functional diagram |
| 19:23.57 | ds2 | and this is independant of yet another left of control from another module as done for GPIOs |
| 19:25.52 | prpplague | ds2: doh |
| 19:26.00 | prpplague | ds2: revenge of the documentation |
| 19:26.11 | prpplague | ds2: which chip? |
| 19:30.42 | ds2 | prpplague: OMAP |
| 19:43.13 | prpplague | ds2: ahh |
| 19:50.06 | ds2 | prpplague: high quality OMAP docs. but as a hind sight, it is buried in yet another chapter of a 2000page document ;) |
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| 20:24.14 | wmat | prpplague: pong |
| 20:26.09 | wmat | prpplague: I haven't started working on the hammer support in Sourcery G++ yet, if that's what you're wondering :( |
| 20:34.26 | CosmicPenguin | yay for Geode stuff just working |
| 20:35.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: now if OE just worked |
| 20:36.07 | CosmicPenguin | I have both classic Geode and OLPC images |
| 20:36.15 | CosmicPenguin | with X 1.5 even |
| 20:36.20 | CosmicPenguin | becuase we're just that cool |
| 20:36.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: nice |
| 20:36.48 | prpplague | wmat: actually i was going to inquire about getting your lite edition to give it a try |
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