| 00:00.10 | SpeedEvil | If microsoft is the dominant factor in the UI, I think it's fair to call them microsoft phones. |
| 00:00.47 | CosmicPenguin | We don't call them Symbian phones, do we? |
| 00:00.49 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin: and in MS's eyes, that makes them MS phones :P |
| 00:00.49 | CosmicPenguin | we should |
| 00:01.08 | agaffney | and most of the time, it's the OS that makes the phone [suck] |
| 00:01.10 | SpeedEvil | IMO sybian phones are just as distinctive as MS |
| 00:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Most phone hardware isn't too sucky, it's let down by crippled software. |
| 00:01.43 | SpeedEvil | Err, symbian. |
| 00:01.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't think the other maker does phones. |
| 00:02.07 | agaffney | sybian phones? that's a *completely* different kind of phone :P |
| 00:02.17 | agaffney | it has a *really* strong vibrate feature |
| 00:02.30 | SpeedEvil | Waterproof too. |
| 00:02.38 | agaffney | hah |
| 00:03.00 | agaffney | wonders how many people are googling for sybian right now |
| 00:07.55 | Crofton | freudian slip there |
| 00:09.43 | agaffney | heh |
| 00:13.17 | Dr{Who} | not to far off topic.. but in regards to phones and software.. the Orbiters hardware page for linuxmce is interesting. it shows hardware that they are able to deply orbiter software onto.. including some phones. |
| 00:13.24 | Dr{Who} | http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Orbiters |
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| 04:00.28 | RobotGuy | Oops wrong window |
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| 04:19.53 | landley | Hah, my -pre2 release of tinycc _does_ work on arm. |
| 04:20.07 | landley | The problem wasn't arm, the problem was static linking against uClibc, which has the same bug on x86. |
| 04:20.12 | landley | Right, fewer problems to fix... |
| 04:34.50 | RobotGuy | landley: I think I solved my software location problem. |
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| 04:44.58 | landley | Oh? |
| 04:45.18 | landley | Er, congratulations? |
| 04:45.40 | RobotGuy | landley: Yeah. I have edited a bunch of the package *.mk files to control where the software and other files go. |
| 04:46.18 | landley | ok. |
| 04:46.23 | RobotGuy | So far, I think everything is set right, but I may have to edit some path stuff to find include files in /include and stuff in /share (I created both of those). |
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| 04:48.17 | RobotGuy | Wrong window, dang |
| 04:56.37 | RobotGuy | G'Night |
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| 14:09.11 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:12.28 | chouimat|work | prpplague: worksafe http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/18/funny-pictures-peep-show/ |
| 14:15.05 | prpplague | looks |
| 14:15.16 | prpplague | cute |
| 14:18.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: you see the enc28j60 driver is in 2.6.25-rc |
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| 14:30.31 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: KAAAA BOOOOM! |
| 14:33.14 | prpplague | synhehe |
| 14:33.25 | prpplague | sunrunner20: hehe |
| 14:33.49 | sunrunner20 | its bad here atm |
| 14:34.32 | prpplague | not so bad here, just lots of rain |
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| 14:35.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:35.31 | CosmicPenguin | yello |
| 14:38.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, I looked at it in -rc3. Haven't had a chance to update to -rc6 yet. How's the hammer port to 2.6.25? |
| 14:38.24 | sunrunner20 | mmm |
| 14:38.27 | sunrunner20 | rain+music |
| 14:39.06 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: I found a nice case: http://thermaltakeusa.com/product/chassis/fulltower/tai-chi/vb5000sna.asp |
| 14:39.38 | sunrunner20 | chouimat|work: cases are teh only thing thermaltake is good at :) |
| 14:39.41 | sunrunner20 | *the |
| 14:40.01 | chouimat|work | :) |
| 14:40.07 | sunrunner20 | check out lian li too ^_^ |
| 14:40.33 | sunrunner20 | or mab its lain |
| 14:40.35 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: I just try to get one my local supplier can get :) |
| 14:40.38 | sunrunner20 | oh right |
| 14:40.51 | sunrunner20 | forgot your in CA |
| 14:41.27 | sunrunner20 | i'm awful lol |
| 14:41.48 | sunrunner20 | I've got a FIA running on my website |
| 14:41.51 | chouimat|work | sunrunner20: and I like the space this one will provide |
| 14:44.31 | sunrunner20 | man I've got a lot of scripting to do tonight |
| 14:59.46 | sunrunner20 | >_> |
| 14:59.49 | sunrunner20 | I hate my calc book |
| 14:59.58 | sunrunner20 | why use i instead of n |
| 15:01.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: haven't had much time to do any hammer work |
| 15:01.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: been pretty sick and just plain burnt out |
| 15:09.05 | SpeedEvil | Hammertime - Stop! |
| 15:09.09 | SpeedEvil | (sorry) |
| 15:10.30 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: that will make a nice name for a Mp3 network based alarm clock :) |
| 15:10.46 | SpeedEvil | why network based? |
| 15:11.22 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: because I doubt it will be able to hold my 41 000 mp3 collection ;) |
| 15:11.29 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 15:11.57 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: and someone might also want to listen to some internet radio station |
| 15:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Well - practically if you don't listen to more than one track, you're unlikely to need more than 20000 tracks. |
| 15:12.37 | SpeedEvil | 40000 is definately on the optimistic side. |
| 15:13.33 | chouimat|work | SpeedEvil: true but since I have a few mediaserver running on my network it make sense to want the alarm clock to connect to them and randomly play 1 track to wake me up |
| 15:14.26 | chouimat|work | also thing it would be nice to have the doorbell play master of puppets |
| 15:16.20 | prpplague | high quality audio playback isn't possible |
| 15:18.33 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 15:19.11 | SpeedEvil | Is you mean the AC97 interface isn't broguht out, that's not a problem - USB soundcards at quite good quality are $5 |
| 15:22.48 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea the ocm.ac97 isn't brought out |
| 15:23.13 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: you can do a pwm audio with around 22khz sampling |
| 15:23.20 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: which sounds pretty good to me |
| 15:23.25 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: but i'm no audiophile |
| 15:23.35 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: usb audio works well enough |
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| 15:45.50 | ce_geek | prpplague: all recovered yet? |
| 15:45.52 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: is there any way of upgrading the hammer RAM? Compatible higher capacity DRAM? |
| 15:46.19 | ce_geek | Hmmn. Seems like that would require some delicate soldering. |
| 15:46.40 | SpeedEvil | has a rework station thingy arriving from ebay. |
| 15:46.48 | ce_geek | I'm jealous. |
| 15:46.55 | SpeedEvil | Don't be! |
| 15:46.58 | SpeedEvil | GEt your own. |
| 15:47.01 | ce_geek | :) |
| 15:47.33 | ce_geek | how do you do that? The way you said " has a rework station thingy arriving from ebay." |
| 15:47.55 | SpeedEvil | you buy one |
| 15:48.12 | ce_geek | nonono, the way you said it on irc |
| 15:48.30 | ce_geek | Is there some emote command or something? |
| 15:48.39 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 15:48.42 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.25 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea pretty much |
| 16:04.37 | prpplague | ce_geek: still got a cough, but otherwise doing better |
| 16:05.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the pads for the sdram are compatible with some higher sizes, but doing that would require some serious tools |
| 16:06.12 | prpplague | ce_geek: hows your project going? |
| 16:08.36 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: idly wondering I suppose. |
| 16:12.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: your pdf page down? |
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| 16:24.20 | prpplague | T0mW: greetings |
| 16:24.22 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks for your help the other day |
| 16:24.23 | prpplague | T0mW: whats cookin? |
| 16:24.32 | prpplague | T0mW: uh ok, what help did i provide? |
| 16:25.00 | T0mW | prpplague: phone brb |
| 16:25.09 | prpplague | T0mW: that must have been when i doped up with the flu |
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| 16:42.03 | ce_geek | prpplague: Hmmn. My page seems to be up from here. As far as the project, it looks like that's going to be a mostly April thing. The first of april is basically drop dead for the thesis, and this project is due at the end of April, so the thesis has consumed all my time. |
| 16:42.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh |
| 16:42.35 | prpplague | tries the page again |
| 16:42.46 | ce_geek | prpplague: It hasn't changed much :-/ |
| 16:42.52 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.yessah.net |
| 16:42.58 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: What's it on? |
| 16:43.05 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: the thesis. |
| 16:43.11 | ce_geek | SpeedEvil: Distributed Visualization |
| 16:43.41 | ce_geek | "Hardward and Software Solutions for Low Cost Distributed Visualization" |
| 16:43.56 | prpplague | ho ho hum dns issue |
| 16:44.02 | ce_geek | s/Hardward/Hardware/ |
| 16:44.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: interesting |
| 16:44.26 | prpplague | ce_geek: what SoC's are you using ? |
| 16:44.27 | ce_geek | It was cool when I started working on it, but I'm pretty burned out by now. |
| 16:44.32 | ce_geek | SoC's? |
| 16:44.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: System on Chip, i.e. avr |
| 16:44.53 | SpeedEvil | visualisation of? random data? |
| 16:45.15 | ce_geek | For visualization? We're just using PC's |
| 16:45.23 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:46.32 | prpplague | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/923a/ |
| 16:46.35 | ce_geek | As for the data being viewed, that part isn't up to me. People get excited about Google Earth, etc. I guess there are some people here at Maine doing some ice sheet modeling of glaciers that want high res tools too. The last screen I built was about 20 Megapixels. It's 16 19" flat panels |
| 16:46.36 | prpplague | that looks interesting |
| 16:47.34 | ce_geek | The resolution of that camera would be way too low. 640x480. Our screen is 5120x4096. |
| 16:47.54 | ce_geek | http://www.eece.maine.edu/research/irl/wall_pictures/dscn2197.jpg |
| 16:48.10 | ce_geek | That one is only 3840x3072. That was the first one we made. |
| 16:48.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe, i was refering for me |
| 16:49.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh. :) It would be a cool widget to have. It caught my attention because microscopes were discussed as a neat thing to use on a distributed display, but the people that suggest that (mostly people in elementary education) don't understand. |
| 16:49.30 | T0mW | prpplague: back |
| 16:49.41 | T0mW | prpplague: looking to purchase a house. |
| 16:49.45 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea i;d like that to take pictures of pcb's |
| 16:49.47 | ce_geek | People send me pictures all the time with resolutions of like 300x300 and say "DUDE this would look AWESOME on the wall!" No, no it wouldn't. It would look like crap. |
| 16:50.07 | prpplague | T0mW: i can't remember, did i disucuss it with you? |
| 16:50.17 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe yea |
| 16:50.30 | prpplague | T0mW: i was really out of it last week |
| 16:51.07 | T0mW | prpplague: I was not aware that debian arm was such a complete distro. What I had been looking at that day was a system just loaded up with stuff and I didn't recognize what I was looking at, nor truly believed it was possible. |
| 16:51.09 | ce_geek | prpplague: Nasa is a good source for amazing things to look at. Pictures of stars exploding, stuff like that :). They have 20 megapixel pictures (and higher.) Some are still too big. |
| 16:51.27 | prpplague | T0mW: oh yea, i remember now |
| 16:51.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: interesting |
| 16:52.05 | T0mW | prpplague: anyway, looks like I have some work coming from that: build them a zImage and filesystem on compact flash |
| 16:52.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hard enough to believe there is a fedora-arm distro too |
| 16:52.22 | T0mW | heh |
| 16:53.16 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I downloaded the Debian ARM v4 DVDs, I have a S3C2410 running here with an SD card, might as well go through the motions and install debian on it. |
| 16:53.31 | prpplague | T0mW: fun fun |
| 16:53.45 | prpplague | T0mW: we are still bringing up a new s3c2440 design |
| 16:53.57 | prpplague | T0mW: lots of oddities |
| 16:56.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: your professor still pretty interested in the hammer for classes? |
| 16:57.10 | ce_geek | prpplague; Oh yes. |
| 16:57.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: His class is the other thing holding me up. I'm trying to balance a first draft of this thesis (73 pages so far) and do his take-home exam (due Thursday.) |
| 16:58.01 | prpplague | ce_geek: oh fun |
| 16:58.35 | T0mW | prpplague: http://mdstec.com/english/solutions/evaluation_board_suma_tetra.html |
| 16:58.43 | T0mW | prpplague: s3c2440 on SODIMM |
| 16:58.54 | ce_geek | prpplague: No. Fun would be working with the hammer board. :) The thesis is the biggest stress item though, I have to defend mid-April. |
| 16:59.39 | ce_geek | prpplague; Graduation is May 10. I'll have a little time before the defense to work on it, but it's probably going to just be a mad dash afterwards to finish up the hammer project for that class and do his take-home final that I'll have. |
| 17:01.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh |
| 17:01.36 | prpplague | T0mW: oh thats new |
| 17:01.55 | Dr{Who} | morning... |
| 17:02.21 | T0mW | prpplague: interesting too, I put a request in for more info. Dunno if that is simply an edu-kit with no volume production, or what. |
| 17:02.32 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't see any pricing |
| 17:02.48 | T0mW | yeah, but, I see a board! :) |
| 17:02.55 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm hoping I can convince him that he needs to buy one, and that I should be able to keep the one you sent me so I can do more stuff with it once I get settled in my new place. I'd like to do more of it, beyond just what I'll do for his class project. There's not enough time for one class project to make me a complete expert in embedded Linux dev. |
| 17:03.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: It'll be nice after I am not pinching pennies and can afford to buy some good literature (the linux device drivers book and the kernel book.) |
| 17:03.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: Heh, and have more time to read it. |
| 17:15.11 | prpplague | ce_geek: indeed |
| 17:15.40 | SpeedEvil | ce_geek: |
| 17:15.50 | SpeedEvil | Can you offer a defence of a trial by combat? |
| 17:16.07 | SpeedEvil | Challenge them to Dance Dance Revolution! |
| 17:16.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:16.11 | ce_geek | HAHA |
| 17:16.13 | ce_geek | No. |
| 17:16.22 | ce_geek | Basically a panel of PhD's sit and pick apart everything I've done. |
| 17:16.27 | SpeedEvil | Yeah, I know. |
| 17:16.32 | ce_geek | :) |
| 17:16.39 | SpeedEvil | And make sure you wrote it and diddn't copy it off the intarweb. |
| 17:16.46 | ce_geek | Fortunately, none of them really suck. |
| 17:17.05 | SpeedEvil | Have most of it written? |
| 17:17.05 | adyer | ce_geek: good practice for a design review :-) |
| 17:17.05 | ce_geek | Yes, indeed. I know everything in the thesis like the back of my hand. |
| 17:17.12 | ce_geek | adyer: Yep! |
| 17:17.39 | Crofton | hopefully you aer bullshitting your hind quarteres off like the defense I saw the other day |
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| 17:31.28 | prpplague | wonders how handhelds.org is doing after all of the fall out last year |
| 17:32.36 | Crofton | who? |
| 17:32.58 | wmat | prpplague: what fallout? |
| 17:33.25 | prpplague | wmat: you didn't know about all the hh.o crap last year? |
| 17:33.54 | prpplague | wmat: the handhelds.org folks basically claimed ownership of a ton of projects |
| 17:34.47 | prpplague | wmat: http://www.linux.com/articles/114310?theme=print |
| 17:34.55 | prpplague | wmat: that was just the tip of the iceberge |
| 17:39.22 | prpplague | http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2008/03/if_you_watch_five_hours_of_cab.php |
| 17:39.36 | prpplague | and people wonder why the US is falling behind in science and tech |
| 17:40.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: who want to know about geek in a lab?? Paris is more enterteining |
| 17:40.19 | prpplague | chouimat|work: seems so |
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| 18:20.49 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ping |
| 18:20.53 | chouimat|work | pong |
| 18:21.07 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hey, you guys use any handhelds with your apps? |
| 18:21.53 | chouimat|work | blackberries |
| 18:22.33 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:22.41 | prpplague | chouimat|work: anything with barcode scanners? |
| 18:22.51 | chouimat|work | no |
| 18:23.08 | prpplague | chouimat|work: what aspect of the blackberries makes it the item of choice? |
| 18:23.22 | chouimat|work | web connections ... |
| 18:23.40 | prpplague | thats it? |
| 18:24.11 | chouimat|work | mostly ... they access the product via the web browsers of the blackberry and the iphone |
| 18:24.19 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:24.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's a device for people like my mother ... |
| 18:25.06 | prpplague | chouimat|work: know any that does software dev with stuff like the symbol handhelds? |
| 18:25.27 | chouimat|work | no |
| 18:25.32 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 18:25.55 | prpplague | chouimat|work: trying to find some ISV's that use symbol stuff with linux |
| 18:26.10 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sound like a really fun task :) |
| 18:26.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe, not really my job, but i like to keep track of that kind of stuff |
| 18:28.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I'm currently writing a nice workaround for a braindead piece of crap that I don't have the source code |
| 18:29.02 | prpplague | chouimat|work: oh oh i love those projects |
| 18:29.43 | chouimat|work | a nice mix of C/C++/XML/BASH/AWK |
| 18:30.11 | RobotGuy | considers the possibility of a phone on a robot. |
| 18:31.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I believe I have my software stuff figured out. I edited a bunch of .mk files for the software I want to load on Hammer. |
| 18:31.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: good deal |
| 18:31.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Some of those .mk files have interesting things, like forced copies that do not use the environment variables - bad bad bad. |
| 18:32.58 | RobotGuy | I just have to compare the contents of /bin and /lib for both software builds (initrd and thumb drive) to be sure I have not missed something. |
| 18:51.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is it my imagination or does the embedded linux community seem rather fractured lately? |
| 19:12.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It seems quite fractured to me. :( Different groups seem to not be too interested in working with each other right now. |
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| 19:27.59 | ds2 | hmm robot phone home? |
| 19:34.05 | CosmicPenguin | fractured? |
| 19:35.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lots of indepented groups doing their own "thing" |
| 19:36.14 | CosmicPenguin | its always been that way |
| 19:37.05 | Crofton | lets say, "there is a lot of competition" |
| 19:39.01 | chouimat|work | prpplague: lot of cultures don't have a word for "cooperation" ;) |
| 19:39.16 | prpplague | just seems alot more so these days |
| 19:39.35 | prpplague | i just remember back 5 years ago the embedded community was alot closer |
| 19:39.42 | prpplague | everyone was working on similiar dev |
| 19:40.09 | chouimat|work | prpplague: but since then a lot of companies produced a lot of nice toys ... |
| 19:42.35 | CosmicPenguin | the embedded commmunity was much smaller |
| 19:42.48 | CosmicPenguin | come on - we were all hacking on the itsy |
| 19:42.51 | CosmicPenguin | that was the only game in town |
| 19:43.46 | prpplague | indeed |
| 19:48.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just seems all the folks i used to know doing cool dev have been scattered to the four winds |
| 19:48.36 | CosmicPenguin | you only knew people in one project... :) |
| 19:49.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually i'm refering to several |
| 19:50.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i guess my area of communication was limited |
| 19:50.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i find though that irc has become less used by developers |
| 19:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | really? I think its more |
| 19:51.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i would suspect you'd say that because of the work with olpc |
| 19:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | most kernel developers are on IRC in some capacity |
| 19:51.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but i find alot of the other areas have gone strictly to mailing lists |
| 19:51.44 | CosmicPenguin | most are on hidden servers |
| 19:51.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea good point |
| 19:52.10 | CosmicPenguin | is freenode descending? yes it is |
| 19:52.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess i should re-state that |
| 19:54.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That was before Linux got to be such a hot item for products. |
| 19:54.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i guess thats what frustrates me is that i'm not able to communicate with the people who make the decisions about my arch |
| 19:54.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats a people problem |
| 19:54.52 | CosmicPenguin | and it makes me sad for you |
| 19:54.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Or is it that they don't want to communicate with those 'outside' their group? |
| 19:55.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: who knows |
| 19:55.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The Linux folks for each architecture should be falling over themselves to talk to people like you. |
| 19:55.38 | chouimat|work | just let loose the QA drones on his code |
| 19:56.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its not just me, i know a dozen or so arm developers that have just totally given up on trying to work their stuff into the main stream |
| 19:56.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: don't kid yourself |
| 19:56.43 | prpplague | Crofton: ping |
| 19:56.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm not. It's just how it SHOULD be, in my opinion. |
| 19:56.58 | Crofton | pong |
| 19:57.12 | prpplague | Crofton: hey, any of the omap's you've worked with have VFP ? |
| 19:57.23 | Crofton | vfp? |
| 19:57.38 | Crofton | volunteers for peace? |
| 19:57.44 | adyer | vector floating point |
| 19:57.44 | prpplague | Crofton: vector floating point |
| 19:57.52 | Crofton | most likely not |
| 19:57.55 | Crofton | no fpus |
| 19:58.08 | adyer | I think Marvell Orion has it, maybe new 353x omaps too |
| 19:58.21 | prpplague | most of the arm11's are suppose to have VFP |
| 19:58.23 | Crofton | there is something called neon |
| 19:58.56 | Crofton | http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=190598 |
| 19:59.01 | Crofton | neon is simd |
| 19:59.08 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | snorts |
| 19:59.28 | prpplague | i was just wondering if there is some special init that has to be done to support the VFP |
| 19:59.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: at which item? |
| 19:59.45 | CosmicPenguin | SIMD |
| 19:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | that was funny to me for some reason |
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| 20:05.22 | prpplague | looks like vfp11 support is already pretty stable in gcc and the kernel |
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| 20:26.23 | landley | prpplague: did I mention that arm seems to be working in tinycc 1.0.0-pre2? |
| 20:26.36 | landley | The bug is static linking against uClibc, which affects both x86 and arm. |
| 20:26.45 | landley | Dynamic linking works fine on both. |
| 20:27.00 | landley | (Against uClibc, anyway. Dynamic linking against current glibc gets confused by new elf symbols for NLS crud. Sigh...) |
| 20:27.09 | landley | My todo list runneth over... |
| 20:29.31 | prpplague | landley: cooool |
| 20:29.58 | prpplague | landley: indeed, i'm still trying to get out from under this sickness |
| 20:30.13 | prpplague | landley: hows things at the contract job? |
| 20:30.38 | prpplague | landley: you testing tinycc code on the nail? or qemu? |
| 20:49.12 | RobotGuy | thinks about making his power wheelchair autonomous with a Hammer. |
| 20:50.04 | prpplague | landley: i still need a shipping address to send you a case for the nail board |
| 20:54.17 | landley | prpplague: ze job, it ees, how you say... boring? |
| 20:54.31 | landley | prpplague: currently qemu, but I can pull out the nail and try it tonight. |
| 20:54.52 | landley | P.S. building the busybox uudecode command for the nail would have simplified things somewhat. |
| 20:55.25 | landley | That way you can cut and paste executables via the serial console... |
| 20:55.58 | landley | RobotGuy: you have a wheelchair? |
| 20:56.22 | RobotGuy | landley: Yes. I got it before my last hip replacement surgery. |
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| 20:56.35 | Dr{Who} | rx,rz would not that be easier? |
| 20:56.52 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Greetings |
| 20:57.01 | Dr{Who} | hay robotguy |
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| 20:57.27 | chouimat|work | prpplague: yesterday I had a really nice guinness stew: sirloin tip, potatoes,carrot,oinions, compost berries all cook in a nice guinness broth |
| 20:57.35 | prpplague | chouimat|work: hehe nice |
| 20:57.48 | Dr{Who} | dammit now im hungery so stop that :P |
| 20:57.53 | chouimat|work | prpplague: the compost berries where nice too |
| 20:57.56 | prpplague | landley: i'm still tweaking the default kernel and rootfs for the nail |
| 20:58.07 | CosmicPenguin | What he really means is that he hate a roast beef sandwich from the gas station after drinking 10 guinesses |
| 20:58.10 | prpplague | landley: i should have most of the stuff done by the end of next week |
| 20:58.10 | CosmicPenguin | s/hate/ate/ |
| 20:58.15 | CosmicPenguin | same thing happened to me |
| 20:58.18 | prpplague | landley: i'm really far behind |
| 20:58.22 | chouimat|work | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 20:58.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:00.07 | RobotGuy | needs a 2.6.24.x kernel. |
| 21:00.12 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 21:00.43 | landley | RobotGuy: why? |
| 21:00.56 | RobotGuy | landley: Current Ralink WiFi driver. |
| 21:01.32 | landley | prpplague: does this include the kernel patches you keep threatening to send me? :) |
| 21:01.56 | prpplague | landley: indeed, i have them almost ready to submit to the arm arch stuff |
| 21:02.25 | prpplague | landley: ben dooks said he'd take a look and push them thru if i can get them submited by the end of next week |
| 21:02.35 | prpplague | landley: so hopefully they'll be in 2.6.26 |
| 21:03.06 | Dr{Who} | landley. did you catch that? not sure if will work for you but i build in rx into busybox makes transfering of files easy over say minicom |
| 21:05.23 | landley | prpplague: cool. |
| 21:05.35 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: hehe, landley was the official maintaner of busybox for a while , so i suspect he's familar with it |
| 21:05.51 | prpplague | landley: congrads on the verizon case |
| 21:05.51 | landley | DrWho: I'm using the serial port as the console. I don't want to exit and re-enter it, I want to cut and paste the binary. |
| 21:06.00 | Dr{Who} | ya i would say so. i knew that. thats why i was supprised how he trasnferred files : c ) |
| 21:06.01 | landley | uuencode was sort of designed for that. |
| 21:06.09 | prpplague | landley: actiontec gonna post all the source changes? |
| 21:06.14 | landley | prpplague: thanks, but that was all the SFLC. |
| 21:06.28 | RobotGuy | landley: I have another reason to want to read what is on Hammer and create an image from that. |
| 21:06.31 | landley | prpplague: I believe the press release says they're going to, yes. |
| 21:06.41 | landley | I can't really talk about it, they wanted an NDA. |
| 21:07.05 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 21:07.19 | Dr{Who} | ya i use the serial port as my console using minicom. then just run rx on the embeded device and my minicom prompts me for a file and when its done im right back at console |
| 21:07.23 | landley | RobotGuy: I have a script that copies whats currently on the hammer and then another that re-flashes from those files. |
| 21:07.26 | landley | prpplague sent it to me. |
| 21:07.36 | landley | I'm _happy_ with the settlement, I just can't talk about it. |
| 21:07.52 | prpplague | landley: the press release did seem a little vague as to who was at fault, verizon or actiontec |
| 21:08.29 | landley | Not going there. |
| 21:08.35 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 21:08.43 | Dr{Who} | ill have to try your method it must be easy.. what util u use? |
| 21:08.56 | prpplague | landley: well i hope to have alot more free time to help out with code verification stuff soon |
| 21:08.59 | landley | DrWho: uuencode and uudecode are in busybox. |
| 21:09.06 | landley | Coolness. |
| 21:09.10 | Dr{Who} | ok then just like paste it into a file? |
| 21:09.18 | landley | My contract runs through the end of July, possibly into August. |
| 21:09.31 | landley | DrWho: cat | uudecode - |
| 21:09.35 | landley | Then paste into the console window. |
| 21:09.41 | Dr{Who} | thats simple enough.. ok so via stdin ok |
| 21:09.45 | landley | That's slightly oversimplified, you may have to feed more arguments to uudecode... |
| 21:09.54 | landley | Been a while since I've done it. |
| 21:10.13 | landley | The problem is nail doesn't have uudecode by default. (Busybox does, but the .config they built doesn't.) |
| 21:10.20 | landley | Easy enough to fix, I just haven't yet... |
| 21:10.24 | Dr{Who} | ok and like ctld or what ever to break out ya good idea i could have used that the other day when rx was not working on my tivo box. |
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| 21:15.16 | RobotGuy | landley: Cool. I'd like to have that script. I just need to be able to make an initrd image of what is on Hammer. |
| 21:17.24 | landley | RobotGuy: I'm looking for it. Might be faster to ask prpplague. |
| 21:17.39 | prpplague | surprised at how many people find using openocd cryptic |
| 21:17.45 | RobotGuy | landley: OK |
| 21:17.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: give me a second and i'll email it to you |
| 21:17.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Thanks |
| 21:18.19 | RobotGuy | I am getting ready to try my new software setup. |
| 21:19.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just out of curiousity, you never ran openocd in interactive mode? |
| 21:19.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have used OpenOCD in interactive mode. |
| 21:20.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so it never occured to you that you could dump copies of the flash? |
| 21:20.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I forgot it had that ability. :) |
| 21:23.27 | RobotGuy | I have a sort of not so general question.. ;) If one has a device that has had weird problems ever since it was receieved and the device just went out of warantee, and not having use of the device required one to go to the ER twice, is there any legitimate legal recourse against the seller and/or manufacturer of the device?? |
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| 21:25.23 | landley | prpplague: darn it, now I'm looking for that script you sent me and can't find it. :P |
| 21:25.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:26.22 | landley | It's not in the email I have from you... |
| 21:26.45 | landley | I found the directory where I was playing with it, but not the script. :P |
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| 21:28.07 | ds2 | Hmm |
| 21:28.28 | prpplague | landley: want me to re-email it to you? |
| 21:28.39 | landley | prpplague: yes please. |
| 21:30.30 | prpplague | landley / RobotGuy sent |
| 21:30.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool. :) |
| 21:31.52 | RobotGuy | It looks like I am taking W.A.L.T.E.R. 2.0 to the next PARTs meeting. I have the Hammer Carrier mounted, but need to remount it. I have to figure out how to keep all the cable connections clear of standoffs. |
| 21:32.23 | RobotGuy | wonders why it seems to hard for his local electronics store to get 0.1 spaced connectors. |
| 21:34.01 | landley | RobotGuy: is it a Radio Shack? |
| 21:34.15 | RobotGuy | landley: No, Norvac Electronics here locally. |
| 21:34.27 | RobotGuy | They are what RS used to be. |
| 21:35.16 | landley | Ah, the connection might explain it. |
| 21:35.22 | landley | It's hard for radio shack to do _anything_ with electronics. |
| 21:35.25 | landley | They're not good at that. |
| 21:35.34 | RobotGuy | I need some good 0.1" spaced connectors (preferrably right angle) to use on my hammer carrier. |
| 21:35.42 | prpplague | landley: atleast in the last 15 years |
| 21:35.47 | RobotGuy | Norvac is not affliliated with RS. |
| 21:35.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why don't you order online? |
| 21:35.56 | landley | Let's see, when did Microsoft buy 10% of them? |
| 21:35.59 | landley | Sometime during the 90's... |
| 21:36.23 | landley | Ah, by "what RS used to be", you mean "good" not "spun off from". |
| 21:36.24 | landley | Right. |
| 21:36.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I would if I could find something suitable. My concentration is not good right now though. |
| 21:36.34 | prpplague | landley: oh i didn't know m$ owned portion of RS |
| 21:36.37 | ds2 | RatShacks prices are such that it can be cheaper to order on line, pay shipping for next day delivery, AND come out ahead |
| 21:36.44 | RobotGuy | landley: Yes, that's what I meant. :) |
| 21:36.58 | RobotGuy | A real place experiementers can get parts of all kinds. |
| 21:37.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: jameco is reliable and alot cheaper than local stores |
| 21:37.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmmm. |
| 21:37.31 | ds2 | wish jameco had a real retail operation |
| 21:37.39 | RobotGuy | Jameco confuses me though, as do other online sources. I get too frustrated trying to find what I want. |
| 21:37.47 | landley | Apparently not anymore: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FNP/is_14_40/ai_76854356 |
| 21:37.51 | RobotGuy | I wish Jameco had a decent search engine. |
| 21:37.53 | landley | But they did for a while, and it doesn't seem to ahve recovered. |
| 21:37.54 | prpplague | looks |
| 21:38.23 | prpplague | most everyone i know won't set foot in rs |
| 21:38.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: They closed the RS at the mall closest to me - it was one of the better ones too. |
| 21:39.12 | prpplague | last time i went i had to speak to the manager to explain that after 5 times of telling the clerk i was not interested in purchasing a cell phone that i was little pissed |
| 21:39.14 | RobotGuy | I go to Norvac first when I need stuff. |
| 21:39.42 | RobotGuy | THen I try to find what I want online if they can not get it for me. |
| 21:40.02 | RobotGuy | Novac also usually gives me a 15% discount. :) |
| 21:40.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe you just need to sharpen you online shopping skills |
| 21:40.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Probably. I can't do much of anything like that when my head is hurting though. I been having a lot of trouble with that this month. :( |
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| 21:41.09 | RobotGuy | Jameco needs to get a real useful search engine. |
| 21:41.28 | prpplague | doesn't have any problems finding parts |
| 21:41.41 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 21:46.34 | RobotGuy | Too many things frustrating and stressing me this month. :( :( |
| 21:58.32 | RobotGuy | I just don't have the patience to deal with Jameco's search engine. :( |
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