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| 15:40.21 | cyril0411hu | hi, guys, why busybox wget doesn't support -c (--continue) switch? uclinux2.4, arm7 |
| 15:40.26 | cyril0411hu | thx in advance. |
| 15:49.20 | Sunrunner20 | SAWEEET |
| 15:49.41 | Sunrunner20 | apple's mag-safe patent has nothing anywhere simular to my current idea |
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| 20:04.30 | RobotGuy | waves at landley |
| 20:04.56 | landley | waves at RobotGuy. |
| 20:05.07 | RobotGuy | How is everything? |
| 20:05.40 | landley | Trying to debug why the 2.6.25-rc7 kernel fails to build vdso with my i686 targetted cross compiler. |
| 20:06.06 | landley | Taught tinycc to understand the "-" filename today, as a synonym for stdin. |
| 20:06.46 | RobotGuy | Neat! |
| 20:06.52 | landley | After 10 days of discussion of it on the old tcc mailing list (with everybody saying somebody else should produce a patch), I got amused enough to take the half hour to just _do_ it. |
| 20:07.01 | landley | 20 minutes of which was debugging some of the odder corner cases. |
| 20:07.32 | landley | (Why is "tinycc - -v < hello.c" trying to link with a library named lib-v.a? Why is the autodetect type logic for "-" trying to treat the input as a linker script?) |
| 20:07.42 | landley | Easy fixes, just had to track 'em down. |
| 20:07.54 | landley | And I have to totally rewrite the option parsing logic at some point, but I've got it nicely broken out so that's easy to do when I get around to it. |
| 20:08.00 | landley | Gotta finish the linker improvements first... |
| 20:08.10 | landley | And before _that_, I have to write my OLS paper which is due on monday. |
| 20:08.44 | RobotGuy | Does that kernel build for Hammer? |
| 20:09.20 | landley | Yup. |
| 20:09.34 | landley | With prpplague's new patch, anyway. |
| 20:11.30 | RobotGuy | landley: I would really like to have a 2.6.24 or later kernel.. |
| 20:12.46 | landley | What on EARTH did the arm people do to their mailing lists? |
| 20:12.57 | landley | I've been wandering around on there for five minutes and I can't find the archive! |
| 20:14.26 | landley | Alas, now I've found it: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/list/linux-arm.html |
| 20:14.30 | landley | What a horrible user interface. |
| 20:14.34 | landley | Where's the threaded view? |
| 20:14.47 | RobotGuy | Ack, no idea. I don't read the Linux lists. |
| 20:14.48 | landley | What's with all this javascript crap? |
| 20:15.17 | landley | Oh I can read linux-kernel with a sane interface from a number of places, but my arm list subscription expired due to excessive bounces when Eric's mailserver was down yet again a few months ago... |
| 20:15.24 | landley | I hadn't bothered resubscribing because I could always read the web archive. |
| 20:15.32 | landley | Except their web archive is insanely bad. |
| 20:16.15 | landley | Great, I type in a search keyword and the first dozen hits are from 2001. |
| 20:16.19 | landley | What are they SMOKING? |
| 20:17.02 | landley | Well, anyway: prpplague posted a patch to the linux-arm mailing list that makes hammer work with 2.6.25. |
| 20:17.12 | landley | Unfortunately, that mailing list essentialy _isn't_ archived, so good luck finding it. |
| 20:17.15 | landley | Ask him next time he's on. |
| 20:17.23 | landley | Or I could email it to you... |
| 20:19.31 | RobotGuy | Oh please, send me the patches. |
| 20:19.56 | RobotGuy | For current 2.6.25.* source? |
| 20:21.03 | RobotGuy | I need the drivers in that kernel |
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| 20:23.19 | landley_ | Assuming you didn't get it when the link went down, I finally found it: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20080328.192949.4de17fec.en.html |
| 20:23.33 | landley_ | That is a horrible horrible horrible list user interface. |
| 20:23.40 | landley_ | Good luck trying to get a raw patch out of that, I have no idea how. |
| 20:25.37 | RobotGuy | Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. |
| 20:25.51 | RobotGuy | But, you have something that works, right? |
| 20:28.37 | RobotGuy | OK, I have the 2.6.24 sources and am getting the 2.6.25-rc7 patch. I am guessing I just apply that patch to the 2.6.24 sources. |
| 20:30.59 | landley_ | RobotGuy: yup. |
| 20:31.20 | landley_ | Built and installed a kernel, and it worked. |
| 20:31.30 | RobotGuy | OK, then I have to figger out how to get the Hammer stuff into that.. I think my head is already starting to hurt. |
| 20:32.13 | RobotGuy | I might have too much stuff running around in my head already. |
| 20:32.41 | landley_ | The patch adds two files and makes minor edits to two others. Fairly straightforward. |
| 20:33.37 | RobotGuy | Oh, that 2.6.25-rc7 patch has the hammer stuff? |
| 20:35.15 | landley_ | yes. |
| 20:35.23 | landley_ | That patch _is_ the hammer stuff. |
| 20:36.10 | RobotGuy | OH! :D:D:D:D |
| 20:36.12 | landley_ | It contains a defconfig for hammer, the new main file for hammer board support, and one tweak each to the kconfig and Makefile to use the hammer board support file. |
| 20:37.18 | RobotGuy | This is too weird - I am not getting a toolchain installed now. |
| 20:44.03 | landley_ | continues not to use buildroot. |
| 20:44.13 | landley_ | It just doesn't work for me. When it ever does work, it's by magic. |
| 20:44.32 | landley_ | You spend 10x as much time trying to understand buildroot as you do getting real work done... |
| 20:44.37 | landley_ | But your mileage may vary... |
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| 21:01.38 | landley__ | Found the problem: busybox diff is horked. |
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| 21:01.59 | landley | At least the 1.2.2 one is exhibiting a darn subtle bug involving comparing against "-". |
| 21:02.09 | landley | Easy enough fix... |
| 21:05.27 | landley | Yank diff from busybox, use the host system's one, add it to the busybox short term todo list. |
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| 21:22.35 | RobotGuy | pops back in |
| 21:23.05 | landley_ | Your connection toggling too? |
| 21:23.05 | landley_ | Darn coffee shop wireless... |
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| 21:39.26 | RobotGuy | Mine seems fine |
| 21:41.16 | RobotGuy | I'm building two different toolchains now. |
| 21:41.57 | RobotGuy | Starting from a virgin official Hammer buildroot for the main one. The other is from SVN buildroot. |
| 21:42.30 | landley | used my Impact armv4l-soft toolchain. Worked fine. |
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| 21:50.15 | RobotGuy | I might do that too, if I keep having these buildroot issues. |
| 21:51.59 | landley_ | is happy to help you with any issues you have using the Impact toolchains or build system. |
| 21:52.06 | landley_ | I just can't do much about buildroot. |
| 21:52.28 | landley_ | Presumably the guys on #uclibc could, but that channel seems kinda dead since Erik moved on. |
| 21:54.22 | _trine | http://youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0&feature=related |
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| 22:20.06 | RobotGuy | You are a popper today, landley |
| 22:21.34 | RobotGuy | I think my last buildroot problem was I got my config file messed up from a hacked buildroot I was tinkering with. |
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| 22:23.47 | landley | RobotGuy: it's this coffee shop's wireless. |
| 22:24.00 | RobotGuy | Ahhh, that sucks. |
| 22:24.24 | RobotGuy | It must be really cool to be able to go places and work on things if/when you want to. |
| 22:24.32 | RobotGuy | I would love to be able to do that. |
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| 22:25.45 | RobotGuy | Maybe I would go out more and meet more, ummm, what are they called? Ah, PEOPLE! |
| 22:26.48 | RobotGuy | I want to create a remote robot console - complete with Bluetooth, ZigBee, and WiFi. |
| 22:27.05 | RobotGuy | After I get W.A.L.T.E.R. fully operational again. |
| 22:27.42 | RobotGuy | landley: Are you going to Linux Plumber's Conference in Sept? |
| 22:29.30 | RobotGuy | landley: I already have your ARM toolchain in my path. I definitely want to try it for ARM7 stuff. |
| 22:31.32 | landley | RobotGuy: wasn't planning on it. |
| 22:31.42 | RobotGuy | Bummer. |
| 22:31.45 | landley | RobotGuy: I need to do an arm6 and arm7. |
| 22:31.58 | landley | I also need to dig up and _do_ arm eabi. |
| 22:32.00 | landley | Plus arm big endian. |
| 22:32.28 | RobotGuy | Yep. Lots of options. I don't recall which of your toolchains I have installed here. |
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| 22:33.25 | landley | And lo, toybox 0.0.5 is out. |
| 22:33.37 | landley | So I can check in the stuff it was blocking in the Impact build. :) |
| 22:33.47 | RobotGuy | It was the armv4l one and I have to reinstall it. |
| 22:35.38 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, I am going to have to redownload it. Can't seem to find it. :( |
| 22:35.51 | RobotGuy | landley: What is the URL? |
| 22:36.26 | landley | http://landley.net/code/toybox |
| 22:36.33 | landley | There's a "downloads" directory under there. |
| 22:36.41 | landley | Oh, you mean the armv4l one? |
| 22:36.49 | landley | http://landley.net/code/firmware |
| 22:36.57 | landley | In downloads host I think. |
| 22:37.24 | landley | Nope, downloads/cross-compiler/host-x86_64 |
| 22:39.09 | landley | RobotGuy: http://landley.net/code/firmware/downloads/cross-compiler/host-x86_64/cross-compiler-armv4l.tar.bz2 |
| 22:39.25 | landley | Sorry, I just did a toybox 0.0.5 release and I had my windows crossed. :) |
| 22:39.43 | RobotGuy | Uh oh. |
| 22:40.26 | landley | If you want to build it from source, either http://landley.net/code/firmware/downloads/firmware-0.3.1.tar.bz2 or http://landley.net/hg/firmware/archive/tip.tar.bz2 |
| 22:40.27 | RobotGuy | I see the problem - I was not looking for something named the way you named these. |
| 22:40.31 | landley | Which "uh oh" were you referring to? |
| 22:40.41 | landley | prefix-toolname |
| 22:40.45 | landley | Pretty standard, I thought? |
| 22:40.50 | RobotGuy | Crossing your windows. |
| 22:40.55 | landley | That's what all the CROSS_COMPILE= prefixes mean... |
| 22:40.58 | landley | Crossing my windows? |
| 22:41.05 | RobotGuy | I didn't think of the cross-compile prefix |
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| 22:43.26 | landley_ | Whoever installed the wireless for this coffee shop needs to be HARMED. |
| 22:44.16 | landley_ | RobotGuy: did you get the name problem fixed? |
| 22:44.40 | RobotGuy | You should fix their wireless. :D |
| 22:44.45 | RobotGuy | Which name problem? |
| 22:48.51 | landley_ | The uh-oh above? |
| 22:49.05 | landley_ | Ah, right. |
| 22:49.08 | RobotGuy | Oh, yes, that one was just me. |
| 22:49.35 | RobotGuy | sneaks into the back room of the coffee shop and "fixes" their wireless. |
| 22:57.29 | RobotGuy | Seriously though, I bet I COULD fix their wireless. |
| 22:58.16 | landley_ | I suspect it's doing a masquerading timeout. |
| 22:58.25 | landley_ | Possibly a forced one even on active connections. :P |
| 22:58.36 | RobotGuy | If it is dropping like that, it's amazing nobody has complained. |
| 22:59.25 | RobotGuy | landley: Have you put any input in on the Hammer Bot Board yet?? |
| 23:01.20 | landley_ | Hammer bot board? |
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| 23:02.49 | RobotGuy | flashes his Hammer Board again |
| 23:02.57 | RobotGuy | wonders if that is illegal.. |
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