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| 00:18.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy you get our jffs2 booting |
| 00:18.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not yet. |
| 00:18.55 | prpplague | well i'll spend sometime and post all the instructions tomorrow on the wiki |
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| 00:27.10 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:27.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy pisst |
| 00:27.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy you still around? |
| 00:35.46 | RobotGuy | Yep |
| 00:36.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy boss is gonna contact you about the RDP |
| 00:36.50 | RobotGuy | Is that an Uh Oh? |
| 00:36.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy needs some more details about what your definition of stackables |
| 00:37.02 | RobotGuy | Oh, OK |
| 00:39.12 | RobotGuy | I have some definite ideas about that. |
| 00:50.16 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 01:07.41 | Mirell | Woo. |
| 01:07.52 | Mirell | Managed to jog 2.5 miles in 25 minutes. And didn't die. |
| 01:07.53 | Mirell | Amazing. |
| 01:08.45 | ds2 | now repeat at 20,000ft up. |
| 01:09.45 | Mirell | Heh |
| 01:10.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hey, It looks like I can fit Python into my flash, with some other important stuff |
| 01:10.39 | ds2 | let's stay in the CONUS... just 10K feet up :) |
| 01:11.42 | RobotGuy | I don't want Python in flash though |
| 01:17.03 | prpplague | Mirell wow thats a good pace |
| 01:17.18 | prpplague | Mirell i would have been pushed hard to do that when i was 18 |
| 01:17.50 | ds2 | prpplague: any chance to look at the USB spec thing about back drive? |
| 01:18.22 | prpplague | ds2 yea you are correct |
| 01:18.31 | Mirell | prpplague: Which is why it amazed me. I'm horribly out of shape. |
| 01:18.34 | prpplague | ds2 that usb enable should be powered by the +5v |
| 01:18.45 | ds2 | prpplague: got revised schematics? :) |
| 01:18.50 | prpplague | no |
| 01:19.13 | prpplague | not going to untill the 2k boards get sold |
| 01:19.19 | Mirell | Heh. |
| 01:19.37 | ds2 | not saying new boards, just updated schematics on how to do it |
| 01:20.00 | ds2 | since this only effects the carrier board; naked hammer users could benefit from notes on how to do it better |
| 01:20.14 | prpplague | no, althought it is in the spec, none of the s3c24xx development boards implement it |
| 01:20.32 | ds2 | oh DOH |
| 01:20.40 | prpplague | and it only applies to very specific conditions |
| 01:20.53 | ds2 | guess I'll work it out, you can steal mine if I get to it first |
| 01:21.11 | prpplague | ds2 nothing to work out |
| 01:21.27 | prpplague | ds2 just have to add a small ldo for around 20mA |
| 01:21.41 | ds2 | you want to do it like that? Hmmm |
| 01:21.43 | prpplague | ds2 +5v to ldo , then to the +3.3v for the enable |
| 01:22.02 | prpplague | ds2 how would you do it? |
| 01:22.07 | ds2 | I was thinking of a 5V tolerant device w/OE and drive the OE line from the USB 5V |
| 01:22.20 | ds2 | got to work out the correct polarities |
| 01:22.36 | prpplague | yea thats doable, but we would probably use a ldo |
| 01:22.49 | ds2 | why LDO over a 5V tolerant part? |
| 01:23.07 | prpplague | ds2 just prefer to operate at +3.3v |
| 01:23.19 | ds2 | ah |
| 01:23.44 | ds2 | I wonder if there is a time constraint on how quickly it needs to react |
| 01:23.56 | ds2 | cuz a LDO will have a cap and a corresponding RC delay |
| 01:23.56 | prpplague | btw, did anyone see that socket communications has been hitup by wiav? |
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| 01:25.36 | prpplague | ds2 like i said, i sampled 27 different s3c24xx based designs and 5 or 6 xscale designs, and it wasn't implemented on any of them |
| 01:26.18 | ds2 | that's the practical answer... it is nice to claim "compliance" on paper even though it may not matter ;) |
| 01:26.49 | prpplague | who's claiming compliance? |
| 01:27.09 | ds2 | just me if I finish this silly project ;) |
| 01:28.13 | RobotGuy | Socket Communications? |
| 01:28.14 | prpplague | what project is that? |
| 01:28.30 | prpplague | they make industrial wifi stuff |
| 01:28.41 | RobotGuy | What a leech WAIV |
| 01:28.56 | prpplague | http://www.socketmobile.com/ |
| 01:28.57 | ds2 | prpplague: still trying to put together a pocket nas |
| 01:30.47 | prpplague | things he is getting an ulcer |
| 01:33.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Me too, I think. |
| 01:33.51 | agaffney | prpplague: there's a good way to prevent that |
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| 01:34.10 | agaffney | it's known as "Not Giving A Flying Fsck" |
| 01:34.13 | agaffney | *cough* |
| 01:34.14 | agaffney | :P |
| 01:34.22 | agaffney | very little gets to me |
| 01:34.27 | agaffney | even when I'm under pressure at work |
| 01:34.30 | agaffney | nothing sticks to me |
| 01:34.46 | prpplague | agaffney you mean for my ulcer or the usb spec? |
| 01:35.10 | ds2 | hahaha |
| 01:35.34 | prpplague | agaffney i'm generally a very calm and patient person |
| 01:35.43 | prpplague | agaffney however, i'm very very very job oriented |
| 01:36.01 | prpplague | agaffney and when things are bad at work, everything is bad |
| 01:36.29 | agaffney | I am too, to some extent |
| 01:36.39 | agaffney | I'll stay late some days and even work at home |
| 01:36.52 | agaffney | but only because *I* want to, and not because someone expects me to |
| 01:37.02 | agaffney | that's not saying that someone doesn't expect me to :P |
| 01:37.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy that jffs2 configure works pretty well on the hammer |
| 01:37.57 | prpplague | agaffney i suspect that 33% of the problem is my current work environmnet |
| 01:38.07 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 01:38.08 | prpplague | agaffney 33% due to the massive amounts of coffee i drink |
| 01:38.20 | prpplague | agaffney and 33% due to the massive amounts of beer i drink |
| 01:39.26 | agaffney | heh |
| 01:39.31 | agaffney | I don't drink coffee or beer |
| 01:39.35 | agaffney | can't stand the taste of either |
| 01:41.07 | prpplague | yea they are very similiar in nature |
| 01:42.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm starting my software load |
| 01:46.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy is that like a load of laundry? |
| 01:56.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Umm, no |
| 01:57.51 | RobotGuy | I just got a nice software config for the flash - 8.8 MB |
| 01:57.59 | RobotGuy | Uploading it to hammer now |
| 02:04.46 | prpplague | eh gads |
| 02:05.00 | prpplague | al gore uses quotes my relatives for his green speech |
| 02:05.03 | prpplague | :( |
| 02:07.28 | prpplague | lordy lordy, what can you do when the quote is broadcasted to the world hehe |
| 02:32.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have what I think is a good start on the JFFS2 tutorial. |
| 02:33.38 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 02:33.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what. |
| 02:34.08 | RobotGuy | It can just wait until tomorrow. |
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| 02:35.11 | Appleman1234 | Hi |
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| 03:01.35 | Dr{Who} | anyone here that can talk with me about the hammer and priceing? |
| 03:01.48 | SpeedEvil | points at prpplague. |
| 03:01.59 | SpeedEvil | Oh - he left. |
| 03:02.07 | SpeedEvil | You're looking to buy lots? |
| 03:02.14 | Dr{Who} | k was nto sure if only he had the data. |
| 03:02.22 | SpeedEvil | He does. |
| 03:02.39 | Dr{Who} | no i am guessing i will have up to 10 sales a month... |
| 03:02.41 | SpeedEvil | AIUI even up to tens of K - but not expecting to sell that. |
| 03:04.24 | SpeedEvil | wait around - he'll probably be back in 12h+ or so |
| 03:04.27 | Dr{Who} | hope to sell more but price will play a factor in that. |
| 03:04.42 | SpeedEvil | what are you thinking of? |
| 03:05.09 | Dr{Who} | the nugget im competing with is closed source and its 230 last i checked. |
| 03:05.24 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 03:05.28 | SpeedEvil | what's it? |
| 03:05.33 | Dr{Who} | will probably drop as soon as i come out with my software |
| 03:05.35 | SpeedEvil | If... |
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| 03:06.04 | Dr{Who} | virtual alarm panel for a specifc and popular brand of alarm system. |
| 03:06.13 | SpeedEvil | aftermarket? |
| 03:06.18 | Dr{Who} | ya |
| 03:06.36 | SpeedEvil | there are probably _much_ cheaper platforms than the hammer to run it on. |
| 03:06.47 | SpeedEvil | though not usually as small or easy |
| 03:07.09 | SpeedEvil | Assuming you just want a very simple web-interface. |
| 03:07.12 | Dr{Who} | well thats why im asking the questions. |
| 03:07.37 | Dr{Who} | will probably not have a web interface. |
| 03:08.02 | SpeedEvil | what's it to do? |
| 03:08.09 | SpeedEvil | inputs/outpouts |
| 03:09.39 | Dr{Who} | http://forum.homesecuritystore.com/index.php?topic=10480.0 links there to video and more data. |
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| 03:11.56 | SpeedEvil | sorry - broadly - what are the inputs and outputs? |
| 03:12.51 | SpeedEvil | that's a rambling thread with no clear focus |
| 03:15.39 | Dr{Who} | its a digest of many months work. |
| 03:15.47 | Dr{Who} | serial but not serial |
| 03:15.58 | Dr{Who} | its a polling mode protocol. |
| 03:17.42 | SpeedEvil | so you need to do a software UART? |
| 03:17.51 | SpeedEvil | on the input side |
| 03:18.06 | Dr{Who} | in and out its a virtual keypad |
| 03:18.09 | SpeedEvil | Going up a level |
| 03:18.18 | SpeedEvil | what is this device - what's it do for the user |
| 03:18.33 | Dr{Who} | i took existing hardware and bulit software that emulates it. |
| 03:18.43 | Dr{Who} | that can run on a linux nugget. |
| 03:19.23 | Dr{Who} | the hardware is a 32 char alpha numeric keypad |
| 03:19.40 | SpeedEvil | is there a reason for using linux, other than not bothering to learn to use microcontrollers? |
| 03:20.05 | Dr{Who} | i want to make it easy for anyone to update and add to |
| 03:20.34 | SpeedEvil | Easy to add to - while multiplying the hardware costs by 10* |
| 03:20.44 | Dr{Who} | yep. |
| 03:20.48 | Dr{Who} | worth it. |
| 03:21.03 | SpeedEvil | you've looked at the ngw100? |
| 03:21.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4102 |
| 03:22.01 | Dr{Who} | looks good. price? |
| 03:22.36 | SpeedEvil | $80si |
| 03:22.52 | Dr{Who} | not bad. closer to my amber board. |
| 03:23.07 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=ATNGW100-ND |
| 03:29.28 | Dr{Who} | ugg 20 pages so far and no mhz : c ) how fast is the board.. The code is in perl and I "hope" i can keep it in perl and not go with C to again keep it easy to update and extend. |
| 03:29.51 | SpeedEvil | I would be looking in http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=ATAVRBFLY-ND |
| 03:29.56 | SpeedEvil | or similar products |
| 03:30.11 | SpeedEvil | but if you want to go high level - that is of the same order as the hammer |
| 03:30.41 | Dr{Who} | as long as it supports buldroot and hopefully builds simmilar to what i have now. |
| 03:31.02 | SpeedEvil | look on avrfreaks |
| 03:31.39 | SpeedEvil | But C and a small microcontroller is almost certainly the right choice IMO. |
| 03:31.43 | Dr{Who} | ya I have an avr board and have done custom C modules using ethernut. |
| 03:32.27 | Dr{Who} | a few home automation nuggets like an xAP relay node for hvac control. |
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| 03:33.36 | Dr{Who} | i just dont want to go small. I want something that i would buy. So i get a nugget and software that i can put more code onto easy just upload to it a new package. |
| 03:33.58 | Dr{Who} | smaller avr's like atmega128's that is. |
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| 07:07.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?mode=p&tier1=Electronic+Components&tier2=Integrated+Circuits&tier3=ST+Microcontrollers&tier4=STM32+Primer&moduleno=80672 I want that LCD :/ |
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| 07:23.29 | [AD]Turbo | yo |
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| 13:45.42 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:56.55 | SpeedEvil | dissasembles his latest purchase. |
| 13:57.03 | SpeedEvil | 1.1" LCD keyring |
| 13:57.19 | SpeedEvil | Though they counted the surround! It's only 1" really. |
| 13:57.58 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: cute |
| 13:58.14 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i've seen several i'd like to purchase, but money has been tight lately |
| 13:58.32 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. 18 pins on the LCD side. I suppose something like 12 bit RGB |
| 13:58.37 | SpeedEvil | $15 |
| 13:58.41 | SpeedEvil | (equiv) |
| 14:00.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.stm32circle.com/ is seriously cool. |
| 14:01.27 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: more likely its using an onboard controller with a 8051 style i/o |
| 14:01.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: most lcd's of that size do |
| 14:02.08 | SpeedEvil | what - you mean the muxed hi/lo databus? |
| 14:02.42 | SpeedEvil | I suppose a few moments with a scope will tell me. |
| 14:02.53 | SpeedEvil | (if it continually refreshes) |
| 14:02.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: whats the resolution of that? |
| 14:03.08 | SpeedEvil | On the order of 128*50 |
| 14:05.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: this is an oled datasheet, but the interface is pretty typical of small tft's in games and such - http://www.femacorp.com/Products/LCD/OLED/OLED%20Datasheets/GM9664A-OLX2NLF.pdf |
| 14:05.59 | SpeedEvil | this is a CSTN - if others dissasemblies is accurate |
| 14:05.59 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: basically the same as the nokia lcd from sfe |
| 14:06.09 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: doesn't matter |
| 14:06.19 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the interface is the same |
| 14:07.02 | SpeedEvil | In practice, I can't make it work for a hypothetical product - a teeny cam. |
| 14:07.12 | SpeedEvil | The packaging issues are too nasty. |
| 14:08.06 | prpplague | indeed |
| 14:09.52 | SpeedEvil | I can just about do a monolithic block of Al, with a hole for a camera with a window over it, and a slot for a SD. |
| 14:10.12 | SpeedEvil | A nice rugged window for a LCD explodes the volume. |
| 14:10.28 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:10.49 | SpeedEvil | little camera - 3*2*1cm or so. 2MP |
| 14:10.57 | SpeedEvil | to SD |
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| 14:23.53 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
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| 14:24.22 | wmat | prpplague: png |
| 14:24.27 | wmat | pong even |
| 14:25.03 | prpplague | wmat: hey was just gonna check in with you on the hammer+codesourcery support |
| 14:26.15 | wmat | prpplague: sorry man, we're gearing up for our spring release and i've just been too busy |
| 14:26.30 | prpplague | wmat: np, just wanted to keep track of where it is at |
| 14:26.50 | prpplague | wmat: any feedback from you or the other folks about the hammer? |
| 14:27.11 | wmat | prpplague: it's sitting right here beside me, so I won't forget about it |
| 14:27.22 | wmat | prpplague: no feedback unfortunately |
| 14:28.15 | prpplague | wmat: np |
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| 14:33.54 | prpplague | i don't know why, but those darn BUG() issues drive me nuts |
| 14:35.03 | chouimat|work | prpplague: :) |
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| 14:37.20 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: http://gkall.hobby.nl/dpf018.html says 94*64 |
| 14:37.39 | Dr{Who} | any drivers already exist that export the onboard flash as a mountable filesystem via the USB port... like say a jumpdrive? |
| 14:37.46 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: that sounds about right |
| 14:38.02 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: yes, the mass storage gadget driver |
| 14:38.08 | Dr{Who} | perfect |
| 14:38.10 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: there is one catch |
| 14:38.24 | Dr{Who} | : c ) whats new.. |
| 14:38.45 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the filesystem can only be mount RW in one place, all the other locations have to be RO |
| 14:39.08 | SpeedEvil | or NFS over ethernet-gadget |
| 14:39.29 | Dr{Who} | um? so inside my os on the hammer i mount it as /mnt/boot currently. |
| 14:39.31 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: that is more problematic |
| 14:39.48 | Dr{Who} | but im talkinga bout plugging it into a PC and having that same jffs2 filesystem visible |
| 14:40.02 | SpeedEvil | If you need to mount it rw for some reason from many points. |
| 14:40.09 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: yea, only one can be mounted as RW |
| 14:40.22 | Dr{Who} | interesting. |
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| 14:40.38 | Dr{Who} | odd. even. |
| 14:41.06 | Dr{Who} | normaly its never mounted in the linux on the board.. only when backup of packages. it mounts writes then unmounts |
| 14:41.24 | prpplague | DrZimmerman: then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:41.34 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: if i understand you correctly |
| 14:46.37 | Dr{Who} | k just another random thought.. how long would the hammer run on battery power? |
| 14:47.05 | Dr{Who} | given a few AA or 9v or something that size. |
| 14:47.40 | SpeedEvil | On the order of a couple of hours per AA cell. |
| 14:47.57 | SpeedEvil | hopefully a fair bit more than that. |
| 14:48.13 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: depends on the type of AA, but using two standard AA's with a TPS630000 i was able to get about 8 hours continuous usage |
| 14:48.34 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: but it all depends on your peripherals |
| 14:49.32 | Dr{Who} | ok good to know..for other projects. |
| 14:51.26 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: more tweaking can be done to get extra life |
| 14:51.51 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the +5v ldo onboard the hammer can be removed and just use a +3.3v direct supply |
| 14:52.28 | Dr{Who} | was thinking solar with chargerso if it can do that much on just a few cells then i am sure i can get it totaly off grid. |
| 14:52.29 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: and using rechargable AA's that have larger amp hours, i.e. 2800mAh camera batteries |
| 14:52.47 | Dr{Who} | in a small package.. |
| 14:52.54 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: yea |
| 14:53.10 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: you probably could do it with some AAA's |
| 14:53.44 | SpeedEvil | For solar 24*7 - if it wants a watt - you want about 5W of solar cell at least. |
| 14:54.32 | SpeedEvil | And somewhere in the region of 12V 2Ah. |
| 14:59.51 | Dr{Who} | a watt? um that seems high |
| 15:00.12 | SpeedEvil | That was an example. |
| 15:00.20 | Dr{Who} | oh.. ok. ya |
| 15:00.28 | Dr{Who} | maybe a watt in 24 hours : c ) |
| 15:00.37 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 15:00.46 | Dr{Who} | would be nice... |
| 15:00.52 | chouimat|work | hi prpplague SpeedEvil |
| 15:01.09 | SpeedEvil | 1/24W is well under what teh CPU alone needs |
| 15:01.19 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 15:01.23 | SpeedEvil | in the slowest of operating modes |
| 15:03.08 | SpeedEvil | But for solar, you oversize the cell and battery if you want consistent performance. |
| 15:04.21 | Dr{Who} | yep.. just did that calc with a friend saturday for his batter off grid solar system for his house.. have to consider the time it takes to recharge as well as how much total drain happens.. can be complex. |
| 15:05.57 | Dr{Who} | we had to do high/mid/low usage to get make it easier. high usage having all 32 audio channels going and the entire neighborhood annoyed.. |
| 15:06.39 | SpeedEvil | Then work out worst case winter weather. |
| 15:07.32 | Dr{Who} | yep.. oregon is rated very low. I think he will he in trouble personaly he is located behind a hill and losses even more of the precious oregon sun. |
| 15:08.04 | SpeedEvil | Solar-PV almost never makes sense - unless getting grid power is truly impossible. |
| 15:08.10 | SpeedEvil | economic sense. |
| 15:08.43 | prpplague | is having trouble getting motivated today |
| 15:09.07 | chouimat|work | prpplague: join the club |
| 15:10.38 | Dr{Who} | ya his goal is to just power his home automation.. problem is he has a lot of it.. but his main pc is only 30watts so its do able.. he also has a backup generator i was thinking of going grid tie just to offset a little. and help the planet a little. i have 3 panels so far just need 3 more to get enough to run the inverter. |
| 15:11.12 | SpeedEvil | grid tie makes it possible. |
| 15:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Off-grid almost never makes economic sense as the ongoing battery cost is horrible. |
| 15:12.51 | Dr{Who} | yep. his battery selection is interesting.. a combo of semi truck and golf cart batteries.. just has to make sure he does not over cycle them.. |
| 15:14.25 | Dr{Who} | helped him run the wires from his battery room to his central run saturday.. stuff is like 7/8" welding cable with thousands of strands.. was very heavy to haul around.. |
| 15:15.10 | Dr{Who} | he is supposed to have lugs crimped on it this week by some local company. |
| 15:15.15 | SpeedEvil | I did the low-budget solution. |
| 15:15.26 | SpeedEvil | Pick up a car battery at the dump every time I go there. |
| 15:15.37 | SpeedEvil | If it works, it gets added to my battery bank |
| 15:16.14 | Dr{Who} | ya its a good way to go.. most of the time a batter can be regenertated right? i seem to recall some way to revitalize them with some process? |
| 15:16.33 | SpeedEvil | And a little 500W generator that at full power will charge the bank in 5 hours - so needs to run only a little bit a day |
| 15:16.50 | SpeedEvil | You take them back to the dump, and pick out a fresh oe. |
| 15:16.52 | SpeedEvil | one |
| 15:17.29 | Dr{Who} | he had a good deal on that. He found a company decommisioning generators by generac that run on LP for cell towers.. got one for like 200 with its tank. |
| 15:18.07 | SpeedEvil | Oversized generators have horrible efficiecies. |
| 15:18.11 | Dr{Who} | i dont have setback's at my place i have no way to do generator : ( |
| 15:18.59 | Dr{Who} | i installed a generac 16kw at my office that was a fun project.. almost can run my entire colo+office pc's but the hvac is a push. |
| 15:19.36 | Dr{Who} | its amazing how easy the Automatic transfer switch was to install.. they come so nicely packaged. |
| 15:20.37 | Dr{Who} | the inspector gave me a bit of grief.. but whats new.. had me labeling stuff all over... |
| 15:20.45 | SpeedEvil | My aim was to keep my minimal load up - 120W or so - freezer + computers + couple of lights 24*7 for a month or so without silly amounts of fuel. |
| 15:21.42 | Dr{Who} | you tried LED lights yet? i have like 12 in my house so far.. i have had a few die but most are just doing perfect. |
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| 15:22.07 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 15:22.30 | SpeedEvil | They are at the moment usually a wash at best with fluorescants - if you need the amount of light |
| 15:23.11 | SpeedEvil | once you get to single watts of illumination - 6W halogen or so - they get much better. |
| 15:24.11 | Dr{Who} | i have 1 cree mr16 spot at my living room workstation that is about the same as the old halogen i had. and only 3 watts |
| 15:24.28 | Dr{Who} | the kitchen is dark.. with 4 120led floods |
| 15:24.34 | Dr{Who} | but its ok i like it dark.. |
| 15:26.02 | Dr{Who} | i went with warm light colors in the kitchen.. didnt want blue tint. |
| 15:26.39 | SpeedEvil | If it's one cree run at 3W, it'll be putting out around 200lm at best. Or about equivalent to a 20W halogen |
| 15:29.46 | Dr{Who} | reminds me i have to get that guy to talk to me. he ows me an rma.. |
| 15:30.07 | Dr{Who} | ebay seller i think he is going to rip me off and not send me a replacment. |
| 15:37.43 | Dr{Who} | ya my mr16's is a 3 * 1w cree clone with cool white and 15deg. a lot less heat and plenty of lumens. was a little big had to remove the glass protector to fit it into the existing wall mounted spot light fixture. |
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| 15:41.36 | Dr{Who} | the best success was item # 350002330332 on ebay i have the typical 6 light bath bars in the bathrooms.. those eat TUNS of watts i put in the cree clone with defusers and the light is very nice and bright with much less power usage. |
| 15:42.12 | Dr{Who} | trick wlil now be how long do they last. |
| 15:43.19 | Dr{Who} | ok off to work.. laterz |
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| 16:26.07 | prpplague | wonders where cosmic is today |
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| 17:56.39 | landley | Sigh. |
| 17:56.48 | landley | wants to blow this popsickle stand and work on tinycc. |
| 17:57.06 | landley | Alas, must be good little worker bee and justify the shirt with collar and leather shoes. |
| 17:57.24 | landley | (Possibly the shoes are made from the hides of dead Naugas, which are cheap and plentiful, but still.) |
| 18:01.28 | RobotGuy | landley: They let you wear leather shoes? |
| 18:01.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: ping |
| 18:02.01 | landley | They have a dress code. |
| 18:02.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pong |
| 18:02.28 | landley | They didn't specifically mention leather shoes, but since all I had unpacked was flip-flops I hit the mart of Wal at 3am and bought something that looked businessy. |
| 18:02.55 | RobotGuy | When I was working, I was fortunate to not have to deal with the public so I could wear t-shirts, levis and tennis shoes. |
| 18:03.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you get your JFFS2 setup working? |
| 18:03.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes, about 4pm yesterday |
| 18:03.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Mine is not working and I am not sure why. I get kernel panics and such at boot. |
| 18:05.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/966352 |
| 18:05.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i can't help right now |
| 18:05.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 18:05.59 | RobotGuy | I don't think I can deal with it right now anyways. |
| 18:06.40 | RobotGuy | I'll go back to initrd for now |
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| 18:30.08 | RobotGuy | I think I may have found my JFFS2 problem. |
| 18:34.21 | landley | hmmm? |
| 18:34.43 | ds2 | RobotGuy: your jffs2 image is bad or wasn't built properly or it can't find it since you only gave the last part of your dmesg |
| 18:34.57 | ds2 | more specific comments are available for more complete reports ;) |
| 18:35.02 | RobotGuy | ds2: I don't think that is the problem. |
| 18:35.14 | RobotGuy | I didn't report anything. |
| 18:35.15 | ds2 | RobotGuy: what do you think is the problem? |
| 18:35.38 | RobotGuy | ds2: I did not have the JFFS2 file system built into the kernel. It was set as a module. |
| 18:35.56 | ds2 | oh that would also do it |
| 18:36.05 | landley | yeah, that would do it. :) |
| 18:36.07 | ds2 | figure you did the basic sanity checks already ;) |
| 18:36.29 | landley | ds2: never assume that. |
| 18:37.02 | landley | The really annoying problems it takes experts hours to find tend to be of the "it works better if you plug it in" variety. |
| 18:37.09 | ds2 | landley: that is one of the reasons why I won't last very long doing first level support |
| 18:37.34 | landley | Oh, I get called in around 4th level. |
| 18:37.37 | landley | Things get escalated to me. |
| 18:37.49 | ds2 | then it should assumed the first level asked q's like that |
| 18:37.58 | ds2 | if not, they should have a check list of stuff to ask prior to escalation! |
| 18:37.59 | landley | And it's still not plugged in because noboody thought to _check_... |
| 18:38.05 | RobotGuy | It's best not to assume anything, in most cases. |
| 18:38.27 | adyer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_(medical) |
| 18:39.16 | RobotGuy | Too much tech support is so scripted they can't even handle a simple out of script question. |
| 18:39.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what was your command line argument for the kernel? |
| 18:39.55 | RobotGuy | console=ttySAC0 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock1 |
| 18:40.28 | RobotGuy | When I have to call tech support, my calls almost always have to be escalated. |
| 18:41.39 | landley | rootfstype= should give an error and die there if it can't use that type. (It probably _doesn't_, but it _should_.) |
| 18:41.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can you paste the entire dmesg? |
| 18:42.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have to get it to boot before I can do that. |
| 18:42.01 | landley | When the user is explicit, the computer should not try to fall back to something else. |
| 18:42.11 | landley | RobotGuy: serial console. |
| 18:42.12 | ds2 | landley: got patch? :) |
| 18:42.16 | landley | You can capture the output of a serial console. |
| 18:42.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh you are using minicom right? |
| 18:42.21 | landley | ds2: remind me after work. |
| 18:42.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just do a ctrl-a-l to log |
| 18:42.36 | landley | (Adding an if statement, a printk, and a call to panic() I can do. :) |
| 18:43.09 | landley | I use netcat -f and pipe the output through "tee". |
| 18:43.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/966410 |
| 18:43.10 | ds2 | landley: you can't do it at rootfstype parsing since I don't think the fs's are registered at that point |
| 18:43.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, Minicom |
| 18:44.33 | landley | ds2: you can check that root_fs_names isn't NULL. |
| 18:45.10 | ds2 | landley: but that list is generated at run time and I think it happens after parameter parsing |
| 18:45.52 | landley | Yeah, mount_block_root() calls get_fs_names(). |
| 18:45.57 | landley | It's in init/do_mounts.c |
| 18:47.38 | ds2 | oh down there when it tries to mount it.... thought you wanted to do up just when it is parsing the command line |
| 18:47.39 | landley | I'm not 100% sure it's giving the two consecutive NULL chars, but it seems to work now, so it probably is. |
| 18:47.53 | landley | Nah, parsing's often too early but we keep the result of parsing. |
| 18:48.09 | ds2 | that's all I was pointing out |
| 18:48.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you don't have mtd turned on and looks like you might not have jffs2 either |
| 18:48.34 | landley | Looks like the -EINVAL case needs an if() with an error message. |
| 18:48.45 | landley | In mount_block_root() |
| 18:49.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What do you mean by no mtd turned on. I have jffs2 on and in kernel. |
| 18:49.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you don't have mtd turned on |
| 18:49.48 | ds2 | there is MTD support and then you also need support for the NOR flash |
| 18:49.53 | ds2 | along with mtdblock |
| 18:49.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pastebin your kernel .config |
| 18:49.56 | landley | if (root_fs_names) printk(KERN_ERR "specified rootfstype not built into kernel.") |
| 18:50.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am just building a new system with jffs2 in kernel |
| 18:50.10 | RobotGuy | I got MTD on. |
| 18:50.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: pastebin your .config |
| 18:50.47 | ds2 | normally if all the bits for MTD Is on, it should say it found all the partitions |
| 18:50.54 | landley | Remind me to do a patch this evening, I have work now... |
| 18:52.17 | ds2 | landley: where do you plan to send the patch? |
| 18:52.53 | ds2 | and will you add a linux tiny spirit config option to take out that extra 2 line of code to save a few hunder bytes? ;) |
| 18:57.24 | RobotGuy | It just isn't gonna work for me today. |
| 19:01.19 | prpplague | he gets frustrated soooo easy |
| 19:02.15 | chouimat|work | prpplague: so true ... and I'm starting to get frustrated too |
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| 19:24.48 | landley | ds2: linux-kernel? |
| 19:25.24 | landley | ds2: there should be a big switch to make all the printk() messages below a certain log level go away. |
| 19:25.59 | landley | But that's too granular for a config option. |
| 19:26.10 | landley | Just for one if() prink() pair. |
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| 19:36.18 | RobotGuy | Why do I have to keep relogging into the TCT forums now? |
| 19:37.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: because we've had problems with spammers |
| 19:37.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: can you paste your kernel .config? |
| 19:39.10 | RobotGuy | I can't get the whole thing into a buffer to paste it |
| 19:40.22 | RobotGuy | It's too much to deal with right now. |
| 19:42.18 | CosmicPenguin | dude needs to relax - this is supposed to be a hobby |
| 19:44.19 | prpplague | indeed |
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| 21:41.48 | landley | I didn't know Denis Vlasenko was looking for a job... |
| 21:42.59 | prpplague | landley: rumor has it there as a RIF (new term for me) at timesys and that a number of places are following their lead |
| 21:48.26 | ds2 | as the universe crumbles |
| 21:49.17 | Crofton | prpplague, you lead a sheltered life :) |
| 21:49.28 | prpplague | Crofton: indeed |
| 21:49.47 | ds2 | anyone have any comments on the geode LX800 as a laptop/tablet system? |
| 21:50.47 | adyer | ds2: running what? Isn't OLPC geode based? |
| 21:50.56 | landley | prpplague: not at all surprised. |
| 21:51.03 | ds2 | running Linux with an ocassional Win32 emulation via qemu |
| 21:51.06 | landley | Denis didn't work for timesys though, he's in europe somewhere. |
| 21:51.46 | landley | ds2: a friend of mine has an OLPC and uses it to check email. Nice system, very light, small keyboards good for female hands... |
| 21:51.49 | ds2 | adyer: the OLPC is similar but apparently a slower geode (LX700 instead of the LX800) |
| 21:52.07 | landley | RIF=Reduction In Force. |
| 21:52.12 | adyer | ds2: geode and slower are synonymous :-) |
| 21:52.15 | ds2 | landley: tried doing any video stuff? |
| 21:52.29 | ds2 | adyer: well, it is a 533MHz clocked part! |
| 21:52.35 | landley | See, they used to be able to fire people. Then they started giving them the pink slip. Then you were "laid off" instead of fired... |
| 21:53.03 | landley | I forget what the euphemism du jour is. |
| 21:53.08 | adyer | ds2: I'd look for a more mainstream laptop with linux support. |
| 21:53.14 | ds2 | the PepperPad 3 is the hardware I am looking at.. it is small enough and cheap enough to be interesting and is one of the few small platforms with composite/NTSC out |
| 21:53.23 | landley | (let's see, shell shock, battle fatigue, post traumatic stress disorder...) |
| 21:53.28 | ds2 | adyer: none of them are really small AND have NTSC out |
| 21:53.44 | landley | ds2: on the OLPC? |
| 21:54.00 | ds2 | landley: no, PepperPad 3 |
| 21:54.08 | adyer | landley: I always thought fired means you screwed up and laid off means the company let you go due to economics |
| 21:54.15 | ds2 | landley: oops I mean yes, if he/she/it tried it on the OLPC |
| 21:54.58 | landley | not that I know of. |
| 21:55.17 | landley | Downsizing, that was another one.. |
| 21:55.23 | adyer | ds2: a lot of personal media players have video out, just no keyboard |
| 21:55.30 | landley | And the horrible "rightsizing"... |
| 21:55.52 | landley | adyer: keep in mind a Sony PSP does pretty good video. |
| 21:55.53 | ds2 | adyer: which ones besides the iPod? |
| 21:56.30 | landley | There are arm and mips systems out there with good 3D acceleration and decent battery life. |
| 21:56.46 | landley | (PSP is mips. I was as surprised as you...) |
| 21:57.41 | ds2 | speed isn't that important...being able to do a test run of x86 software is a bit more important |
| 21:57.58 | landley | ? |
| 21:58.13 | ds2 | between the broken power jack and the rock grinder sounding fan, my current laptop needs a replacement |
| 21:58.13 | landley | Well, in theory you could run qemu on a psp, but why? |
| 21:58.28 | adyer | landley: sony has a long history with mips (even used to make mips workstations). PS, PS/2, and PSP are all mips. |
| 21:58.56 | landley | yup. |
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| 22:00.52 | adyer | ds2: is s-video out okay? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9387860947.html |
| 22:01.04 | ds2 | adyer: sure |
| 22:02.03 | ds2 | adyer: didn't notice the video out... that's another difference with teh eeePC |
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| 22:14.50 | Redhatter | PSP is MMU-less MIPS |
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| 22:24.51 | prpplague | the nail board works dandy as a UMD replacement device |
| 22:25.26 | ds2 | Universal Mass Destruction device? |
| 22:28.14 | prpplague | ds2: the storage device in a psp |
| 22:29.26 | prpplague | goes home for the day |
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| 23:18.48 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 23:18.57 | prpplague | merry freakin tuesda |
| 23:19.18 | prpplague | landley did jfc say that the TS RIF was true? |
| 23:28.50 | landley | prpplague: he seems to think it already happened, but can't confirm detail. |
| 23:29.10 | landley | tglx might know? (Probably not, they don't really tell him anything, but maybe...) |
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| 23:43.41 | prpplague^2 | ho ho hum |
| 23:44.39 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:46.15 | prpplague | landley are we having fun yet? |
| 23:58.06 | GPSFan | prpplague: all sorts of fun... hey how's it goin?... |
| 23:59.51 | landley | landley: I get to have fun after 8pm. |