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| 03:51.10 | RobotGuy | ~seen Sienna |
| 03:51.11 | purl | sienna <n=Sienna@pool-71-246-73-161.bltmmd.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 1d 1h 10m 38s ago, saying: 'anyway... Night night everyone, sweet dreams and all! I am off to finish a book before bed! :D'. |
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| 13:17.16 | RobotGuy | It's only 6:16 AM. ;) |
| 13:17.40 | prpplague | time for work |
| 13:17.57 | RobotGuy | What's work? |
| 13:19.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: for those people who don't deal drugs, or receive welfare improperly, it's what you have to do to earn money |
| 13:20.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i ask a similiar question: what's vacation? |
| 13:20.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No idea! I very much need a break from everything - just to get away for even a couple days, and I don't work or go to school. |
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| 13:21.34 | prpplague | goes to nag the s3c24xx maintainer about patches |
| 13:28.19 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:28.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: jffs2 working for ya now? |
| 13:28.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I believe so! I am tweaking my jffs2 image now. |
| 13:29.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just have to work on the tutorial after I confirm this is truely working for ME. :) |
| 13:29.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not sure what you are running, but your overall free ram seemed a little low |
| 13:29.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: About 26 MB give or take. |
| 13:32.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea mine was closer to 30 iirc |
| 13:33.06 | prpplague | checks |
| 13:33.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hmmm, I don't know what would be taking that RAM from me. |
| 13:33.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: check your /proc/meminfo |
| 13:33.53 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will after I get Hammer booting with the new jffs2 image. |
| 13:34.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have Python in this one. :) |
| 13:35.37 | RobotGuy | If this works, I will have all the software I -really- need in the flash, including Python. |
| 13:42.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't think the spam has decreased any on the TCT forums. |
| 13:42.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nope |
| 13:42.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Four threads that need to go away. |
| 13:42.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we are going to switch out the forums with a more secure one with first post moderation |
| 13:43.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which ones are those? |
| 13:43.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahhh, what software are the forums running? |
| 13:43.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no clue |
| 13:43.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: They are all in the New Products section |
| 13:43.25 | prpplague | doesn't do web stuff |
| 13:43.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I wish the forums had a wider format. |
| 13:43.41 | prpplague | looks |
| 13:44.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i think you are refering to the ones i deleted this morning |
| 13:44.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep! I just had to refresh my page. |
| 13:45.16 | RobotGuy | I and another user did that for Lynxmotion for awhile. |
| 13:45.41 | RobotGuy | I just ordered the servos and gripper I need for W.A.L.T.E.R. |
| 13:46.28 | RobotGuy | I'm uploading my new JFFS2 image now. |
| 13:47.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Before I forget, the version of sqlite needs to be updated to 3.5.4 |
| 13:48.03 | prpplague | ok |
| 13:48.08 | prpplague | Mirell: ping |
| 13:48.12 | prpplague | Mirell: are you alive? |
| 13:49.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: If all goes well and I can ge the rest of the holes drilled in the new decks, I will be taking W.A.L.T.E.R. to the PARTS meeting tomorrow. |
| 13:49.44 | prpplague | good deal |
| 13:49.54 | prpplague | did you attend the last meeting? |
| 13:50.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, I missed the last meeting. :( |
| 13:50.15 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 13:51.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I got my power wheelchair fixed, so I can go out and about by myself again. :) Having moderate to severe balance problems and losing hearing in my left ear. :( ;( |
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| 14:11.11 | RobotGuy | I might have to tweak my jffs2 image size. |
| 14:17.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Would it be reasonable to post some standard values for .size with the decimal equivalent? |
| 14:17.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i can't think of any reason you couldn't |
| 14:18.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: not like they are difficult to calculate |
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| 14:18.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. So far I have 0x140000 1280k and 0x240000 2304k |
| 14:19.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am thinking of a table with the values. It would make it much easier to do the tutorial for jffs2. |
| 14:19.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whatever floats your boat |
| 14:20.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Right now it is sort of tilted to the left.. |
| 14:24.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i never did receive a your email with your kernel config |
| 14:25.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Very weird. |
| 14:26.37 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yahoo has to be doing filtering that somehow catches my e-mails, but I don't know why that is happening. |
| 14:27.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I sent it yesterday at 11:10 PDT |
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| 14:33.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Resent to your other address |
| 14:33.32 | chouimat|work | morning |
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| 14:36.05 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work, landley: Greetings |
| 14:36.29 | landley | Morning. |
| 14:36.37 | landley | Well, tinycc builds itself again. |
| 14:36.50 | landley | (The bug was just a misplaced else. My bad.) |
| 14:37.22 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 14:37.26 | prpplague | landley: is Mirell ok? |
| 14:37.32 | prpplague | landley: coool |
| 14:37.35 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/20/funny-pictures-promist-rubbar-ducky/ |
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| 14:41.45 | landley | prpplague: last I heard, which was yesterday, Mirell was fine. |
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| 14:45.08 | RobotGuy | sjhill: ola! |
| 14:46.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Before I forget, I will likely be completely offline the last 10 - 14 days of this month. :( |
| 14:51.12 | sjhill | RobotGuy: hello |
| 14:58.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is this command correct: erase nor:1280k+0xec0000 ?? |
| 14:58.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: For the .size = 0x140000 |
| 14:58.44 | RobotGuy | My kernel is < 1 MB now. |
| 15:08.36 | prpplague | returns |
| 15:09.15 | prpplague | landley: what was he needing to go the ER for? did he eat too many microwave burritos? |
| 15:09.38 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings? |
| 15:09.54 | prpplague | sjhill: are we having fun yet? |
| 15:10.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Scroll up. :) |
| 15:10.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which item? |
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| 15:11.02 | RobotGuy | prpplague: command correct |
| 15:12.33 | sjhill | prpplague: at 2:30p.m. CST i will be, i'll be gone from work |
| 15:14.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 16384 - 2048 = 14336 |
| 15:14.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: In English please. |
| 15:15.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: total amount of flash minus the amount of flash used for kernel and bootloader |
| 15:15.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That is what this value is: 0xec0000 ? |
| 15:15.47 | RobotGuy | Or should be |
| 15:15.49 | landley | prpplague: bits of him that shouldn't have been bleeding were, but it turned out to be stress related. |
| 15:15.58 | landley | Apparently, his job is that much of a pain in the... Ahem. |
| 15:16.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that value is total amount of flash minus the amount of flash used for kernel and bootloader |
| 15:16.16 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 15:16.26 | RobotGuy | landley: Got to keep stress level down or you could end up with the bad things I have to deal with. |
| 15:16.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 15:16.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: in your case its: 16384 - 1280 = 15104 |
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| 15:18.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you do have a handy dandy dec to hex calculator or tool right? |
| 15:18.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK. I already know what the 1280k value is (.size). |
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| 15:18.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, KCalc does all that. |
| 15:19.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: total flash size in hex is 0x1000000 |
| 15:20.08 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I come up with 0x3D00, which does not seem right. |
| 15:20.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you forgot to multiple by 1024 as a k value |
| 15:21.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: 0x1000000 - 0x140000 = 0xec0000 |
| 15:21.55 | prpplague | landley: hmm, well, if you speak to him wish well |
| 15:22.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I think I have it. |
| 15:23.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Wouldn't .size be able to be 0x100000 now? |
| 15:24.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what does the .size define? |
| 15:24.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The part the kernel is aware of for loader + kernel |
| 15:24.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, yeah, 0x100000 would not be big enough for both. |
| 15:25.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so if you changed the .size to 0x100000 , the entire flash would be configured for bootloader and kernel with nothing left over for jffs2 |
| 15:25.37 | landley | prpplague: I spoke to him on the phone last night. |
| 15:25.59 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 15:26.03 | landley | I'm more worried about my friend Stu, who wound up in the hospital with a burst appendix on tuesday. |
| 15:26.14 | prpplague | landley: oh yikes, thats no fun |
| 15:26.19 | prpplague | landley: that can be deadly |
| 15:26.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You've lost me now. 0x140000 is 1280k, so wouldn't 0x100000 be 1024k? |
| 15:27.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sorry i thought you were talking about setting .size to the total size of the flash 0x1000000 |
| 15:28.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, that would just be silly, wouldn't it? |
| 15:28.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are want to set the size to 0x100000 ? |
| 15:28.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes it would be silly |
| 15:28.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: 0x100000 would be too small for the loader + kernel. |
| 15:28.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy: bu so would setting it to 0x100000 since that wouldn't have enough room for a 1024k kernel and 256k bootloader |
| 15:28.42 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct |
| 15:28.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not sure what I was thinking. |
| 15:29.10 | prpplague | landley: btw, i've been thinking about your build environment |
| 15:29.13 | prpplague | landley: for the nail |
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| 15:29.42 | prpplague | landley: what you can do is this, use a small jffs2 rootfs, boot to it, and then do a chroot to a usb thumb drive which has your dev rootfs |
| 15:29.53 | prpplague | landley: you can get a small 128mb thumb drive for like $8 |
| 15:30.30 | prpplague | landley: that will leave you with the full 32mb of sdram available, and give you plenty of room for your native builds |
| 15:30.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: So, if somebody needs more than 0x140000 for kernel + loader, they probably need to rethink what they are doing, right? |
| 15:30.41 | RobotGuy | (If using JFFS2) |
| 15:31.50 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or just change the values to match |
| 15:32.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am trying to decide how many values I should put in the table. Should I go as high as 0x340000 for .size? |
| 15:33.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This is just for the JFFS2 |
| 15:33.26 | landley | prpplague: I have a 4 gig usb key on my keychain. :) |
| 15:33.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whatever floats your boat, i'm reminded of the old saying, "give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish feed him for a life time" |
| 15:33.35 | landley | It is, alas, full, but I can copy stuff off. |
| 15:33.58 | prpplague | landley: target has some cheap thumb drives these days |
| 15:34.06 | prpplague | landley: you can get a 256mb for less than $10 |
| 15:34.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are you saying I should just provide the necessary calculations to get all the values? That would certainly "teach the man to fish." |
| 15:34.57 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that would how i would handle it, but thats just me |
| 15:35.11 | landley | I also have a 500 _gig_ usb hard drive in a box. |
| 15:35.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, I agree. I see what you are saying. |
| 15:35.42 | prpplague | landley: hehe i was just thinking size wise for use with the nail |
| 15:35.48 | landley | What I'm pretty much planning to do is a small rootfs and then jffs2 for /usr/include and tinycc. |
| 15:36.07 | landley | prpplague: I carry around a 4 gig USB thing with me anyway. |
| 15:36.12 | landley | Literally, my keychain. |
| 15:36.14 | landley | With keys on it. |
| 15:36.16 | landley | They jingle. |
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| 15:36.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Now, as to what you said about my free mem being low. What are things that could cause that? |
| 15:37.02 | prpplague | landley: no ramdisk i assume |
| 15:37.11 | landley | prpplague: initramfs. |
| 15:37.19 | landley | I sort of do initramfs. |
| 15:37.27 | landley | It's one of them things I wandered through a while back. |
| 15:37.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd suspect you probably have some ramdisk option that is not being freed |
| 15:37.41 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 15:37.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did you get my current kernel config? |
| 15:37.56 | prpplague | landley: so you are going to use the initramfs as your main room |
| 15:38.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no |
| 15:38.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I resent to the other address. |
| 15:38.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: haven't received anything |
| 15:38.35 | landley | prpplague: probably. |
| 15:38.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Umm, where does initramfs come into the picture? |
| 15:38.42 | landley | it's only about 2 megs uncompressed. |
| 15:38.51 | prpplague | landley: ahh not too bad then |
| 15:39.04 | landley | busybox, toybox, and uClibc. |
| 15:39.11 | landley | And I'm slowly chipping away at busybox... |
| 15:39.11 | prpplague | landley: i was thinking you'd use the onboard flash to do the rootfs |
| 15:39.21 | prpplague | landley: that way you can have all of the sdram for apps |
| 15:39.40 | landley | Having a jffs2 root filesystem is something I'm still not entirely comfortable with. Might bang on it in a bit, though. |
| 15:39.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: initramfs performs a similar function as initrd |
| 15:39.48 | landley | But it's nice to be able to boot to a shell prompt having flashed just one file. |
| 15:40.02 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 15:40.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I should not have any initramfs or initrd |
| 15:40.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will check |
| 15:40.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct |
| 15:40.30 | landley | RobotGuy: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4017834659.html |
| 15:40.55 | landley | RobotGuy: youv'e got an initramfs if you're using 2.6, it's called "rootfs". It's probably mostly empty, though. |
| 15:40.56 | prpplague | landley: jffs2 generation is fairly easy once you understand it, you might have a look at how buildroot generates a jffs2 image |
| 15:41.36 | prpplague | landley: yea, he's just switch to a pure jffs2 rootfs, so he's suppose to have initrd and initramfs turned off |
| 15:42.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have that support turned off in my kernel (initramfs/initrd support). |
| 15:43.47 | prpplague | landley: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=DRV10521 |
| 15:43.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I might see a problem: |
| 15:44.00 | RobotGuy | (0x0) Compressed ROM boot loader base address â â |
| 15:44.00 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.00 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.07 | RobotGuy | Ooops |
| 15:44.22 | RobotGuy | This is in the kernel config |
| 15:45.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: don't paste here |
| 15:45.15 | RobotGuy | It was oops, accident. |
| 15:45.15 | prpplague | landley: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CPM10477 |
| 15:45.20 | prpplague | landley: i have several of those |
| 15:45.25 | prpplague | landley: those are a good buy |
| 15:46.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: As far as I can tell, I have all the initramfs and initrd support turned off. |
| 15:47.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Email resent |
| 15:49.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: did you set the size of your initrd image to 0x00 in apex? |
| 15:50.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I bet I didn't! |
| 15:50.32 | RobotGuy | checks |
| 15:52.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't see where that is set. |
| 15:53.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: platform setup |
| 15:53.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it might not be there if you have the ramdisk stuff turned off |
| 15:53.59 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I did turn that off in APEX. |
| 15:54.03 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:54.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then i'll need to see your /proc/meminfo |
| 15:54.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, as soon as I get things to boot again. |
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| 15:57.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 16:01.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think I have a pretty good tutorial for jffs2 now. I just have to add some text to explain the calculations that are required. |
| 16:02.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i don't see anything posted on the wiki |
| 16:03.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It is not there yet. I am not quite done with it. |
| 16:03.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: seems like double work to edit offline |
| 16:04.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Perhaps, but it shouldn't need too much editing when I post it. |
| 16:10.00 | landley | Oh that's deeply screwed up... |
| 16:10.17 | landley | The exchange webmail worked for the first 3 weeks from Konqueror and firefox, then stopped. |
| 16:10.30 | landley | Timing out all login sessions within 5-30 seconds. |
| 16:10.46 | landley | If I fire up the windows machine and log in to webmail from exploiter, it works again. |
| 16:10.57 | landley | By "it works again", I mean it works _in_konqueror_and_firefox_ on my linux box. |
| 16:11.06 | landley | As long as the windows machine is sitting there, logged in. |
| 16:11.11 | landley | How do you screw up a web interface that badly? |
| 16:11.21 | landley | I mean... WOW. |
| 16:13.30 | chouimat|work | landley: hehe |
| 16:15.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: What else could possibly be cheating me of RAM? |
| 16:23.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The initial tutorial is online now. It's not done yet so don't be too critical. :D |
| 16:26.31 | landley | Tutorial? |
| 16:38.56 | RobotGuy | landley: I am workin on the tutorial on how to boot from flash instead of using an initrd. |
| 16:42.33 | RobotGuy | Food time. BBIAF |
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| 16:50.05 | prpplague | returns from meeting |
| 16:52.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'm gonna have to change that page title as it is incorrect |
| 16:52.42 | CosmicPenguin | 840 |
| 16:52.45 | CosmicPenguin | ack - sorry |
| 16:53.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:53.32 | CosmicPenguin | For what its worth, 840 was a great email |
| 16:55.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 16:55.44 | CosmicPenguin | I use mutt |
| 16:55.51 | CosmicPenguin | I was trying to go to inbox email #840 |
| 16:57.49 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:58.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a note, the default kernel command line in the kernel config is totally ignored |
| 16:59.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Why you edit when you know I am working on it? |
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| 17:01.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Why did you mention it to me then? |
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| 17:03.06 | landley | RobotGuy: _where_ is the tutorial online? |
| 17:05.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You probably need to refresh your page. You made the new link, not me. |
| 17:05.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You get me all messed up, confused, and frustrated when you do that and I am working on something. You should PLEASE let ME make changes when I am working on something. |
| 17:06.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: My hammer is not booting at present, but I have to go for a bit and do other stuff. |
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| 17:11.14 | RobotGuy | returns |
| 17:11.18 | RobotGuy | I have an extra hour before I leave. |
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| 17:49.17 | ds2 | Hmmm |
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| 18:43.47 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 18:43.51 | prpplague | grumbles |
| 19:21.28 | landley | hmmm? |
| 19:21.40 | landley | How went that showdown thing, anyway? |
| 19:22.09 | prpplague | landley: i thought it went well, untill about 10 minutes ago |
| 19:22.19 | landley | hmmm? |
| 19:22.29 | prpplague | landley: phone call from the company owner |
| 19:22.41 | landley | uh-huh. |
| 19:22.50 | prpplague | landley: basically wanting to know exactly whats going |
| 19:22.56 | prpplague | landley: on in the department |
| 19:23.07 | prpplague | landley: so i gave him the entire details |
| 19:23.29 | landley | This was the phone call 10 minutes ago? |
| 19:23.30 | prpplague | landley: un-edited and unrated |
| 19:23.40 | prpplague | landley: actuall more like 25 minutes ago |
| 19:23.49 | prpplague | landley: just got off the phone about 5-10 minutes ago |
| 19:24.02 | landley | Ah. |
| 19:24.26 | landley | This was not that showdown thing you'd mentioned yesterday? |
| 19:24.28 | prpplague | landley: so now we find out if the president of the company gets pissy about me telling the owener |
| 19:24.37 | landley | Ah. |
| 19:24.42 | prpplague | landley: no the showdown yesterday was just one aspect |
| 19:24.47 | landley | Well, if the owner called you and _asked_... |
| 19:24.58 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: Good luck. |
| 19:25.00 | prpplague | landley: aparrently someone told the owner that there was some hostilities going on |
| 19:25.09 | landley | You did not approach the owner. |
| 19:25.17 | landley | You responded to a direct question from the owner. |
| 19:25.20 | landley | That's part of your job. |
| 19:25.38 | prpplague | yea, but office politics are funny that way |
| 19:25.53 | T0mW | a good little soldier would have said "no problems, Sir!" |
| 19:26.10 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats what i said to myself after i hung up the phone |
| 19:26.46 | landley | I've been a good little soldier and then quit suddenly. Doesn't seem like much of an improvement over risking one's job. |
| 19:26.49 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I would not mention it around, nor would I lie if asked |
| 19:27.00 | landley | I seldom use my most recent job as a reference anyway. |
| 19:27.25 | T0mW | prpplague: I would wait and see, keep a low profile. |
| 19:27.27 | landley | The ownerr doesn't know to hang out in this channel, does he? :) |
| 19:27.37 | prpplague | T0mW: well, my office door was open and there were a few people in the lab outside my door |
| 19:27.54 | T0mW | shrug |
| 19:28.08 | prpplague | landley: hehe, i'm sure he could if he wanted to |
| 19:28.20 | T0mW | prpplague: life sux, then you become a consultant. |
| 19:28.35 | prpplague | or a male stripper |
| 19:28.40 | T0mW | lol |
| 19:28.58 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, I hate to break this to you buddy, but... |
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| 19:29.25 | chouimat|work | prpplague: male stripper doesn't pay much too ... and the working hours are bad ;) |
| 19:30.11 | T0mW | chouimat|work: spoke from the voice of an authority? |
| 19:30.30 | chouimat|work | T0mW: ;) |
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| 21:08.30 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:13.35 | T0mW | anybody have experience with iscsi? |
| 21:21.51 | ds2 | a |
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| 21:38.08 | prpplague | landley: ping |
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| 21:42.28 | landley | prpplague: pong. |
| 21:42.58 | prpplague | landley: hey, i was reading your dev notes, you got your image to boot properly on the nail? |
| 21:43.10 | prpplague | landley: an impact linux image? |
| 21:43.38 | landley | prpplague: the BUILD_SHORT version, yeah. |
| 21:43.45 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 21:43.51 | landley | It's been a while since I've used BUILD_SHORT and it's bitrotted slightly. |
| 21:43.59 | landley | (It doesn't have "ls" and "cat". Okay...) |
| 21:44.06 | landley | Playing whack a mole with what command line utilities it should have. |
| 21:44.09 | ce_geek | prpplague: Just curious, any updates with the software for the hammer? |
| 21:44.21 | prpplague | landley: what was your impression of the nail using impact linux image? |
| 21:44.27 | prpplague | ce_geek: close |
| 21:44.32 | ce_geek | prpplague: Thesis is submitted! Starting next week gonna start stuff. |
| 21:44.36 | landley | I used to be doing a busybox defconig build for that, but some of the old busybox utilities from 1.2.2 started refusing to build with 2.6.25 headers because asm_page went away, so I switched to a config file enabling just the ones I need... |
| 21:44.39 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'm waiting on a couple of items |
| 21:44.41 | landley | Which needs adjustment. |
| 21:44.45 | landley | Standard plumbing stuff... |
| 21:44.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: my guess is probably wed. |
| 21:44.51 | landley | prpplague: seemed pretty nice. |
| 21:44.55 | ce_geek | prpplague: I think project #1 is to make a web page to display the temperature reported by one of those 3-pin transistor-looking temperature sensors. |
| 21:44.58 | landley | Mostly I was fighting my stuff, not yours. :) |
| 21:45.15 | landley | I should have it all straightened out again this weekend. |
| 21:45.35 | prpplague | landley: ok so it sounds like you have the flash procedures and basic operations down |
| 21:45.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea thats doable |
| 21:45.48 | landley | not so much "down" as "a script does it for me". |
| 21:46.04 | landley | Which I should be able to document in thyme.html next time i reach a good stopping point. |
| 21:46.06 | prpplague | landley: but you are comfortable doing it |
| 21:46.13 | landley | comfortable-ish, yeah. |
| 21:46.24 | landley | Still haven't messed with it to yank the initrd burning... |
| 21:46.33 | prpplague | landley: robotguy has posted a short wiki page on running a jffs2 rootfs |
| 21:46.37 | landley | (Put the initramfs in the kernel image, don't burn initrd, burn jffs2 instead...) |
| 21:46.40 | landley | That'll take some editing. |
| 21:46.52 | landley | prpplague: yeah, I kept asking him earlier where he'd posted it, and he didn't seem to understand the question. |
| 21:47.06 | landley | "What is the URL to your document?" |
| 21:47.09 | landley | "Yes, I wrote a document". |
| 21:47.14 | landley | AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!! |
| 21:47.27 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_How_to_Boot_JFFS2_Root_Filesystem |
| 21:47.30 | landley | Don't mind me. |
| 21:47.37 | prpplague | landley: its linked from the hammer howto pages |
| 21:47.38 | landley | is at work. Looking at C++ code. :( |
| 21:47.47 | prpplague | landley: np |
| 21:47.58 | prpplague | landley: just wanted to post the url |
| 21:48.11 | landley | prpplague: by the way, rdinit= doesn't seem to work with the hammer boot process. |
| 21:48.15 | landley | Not quite sure why. |
| 21:48.32 | prpplague | looks at that |
| 21:48.43 | landley | I'll have to poke at it again this weekend, possibly I just had something misaligned... |
| 21:48.58 | landley | The error reporting from rdinit is pretty much nonexistent. |
| 21:49.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: Alright, I'll catch you next week. Have a great weekend! |
| 21:50.30 | prpplague | ce_geek: you too |
| 21:50.38 | landley | Lots of people wander through here and don't come back. |
| 21:50.45 | landley | TimRiker wandered in once and then vanished... |
| 21:50.49 | landley | The lady with the grid bugs... |
| 21:50.50 | landley | Odd. |
| 21:51.06 | prpplague | landley: yea, not sure why tim doesn't add edev on his channel list |
| 21:51.23 | prpplague | landley: alot of the robotics folks only show up at night |
| 21:52.12 | prpplague | landley: i think some people are put off that we do have some OT discussions here that aren't 100% embedded |
| 21:52.25 | landley | would only show up at night if he didn't have a day job with office hours... |
| 21:52.42 | landley | As opposed to #elinux, with two lines of text in the past 8 hours? |
| 21:53.08 | landley | Eh, past 6 hours. |
| 21:53.19 | landley | There was a conversation there this morning between me and somebody else. Went on a good dozen lines... |
| 21:53.29 | prpplague | landley: hehe, yea, elinux has been dying for a few years now |
| 21:53.40 | landley | It can't be dying. It's got Tim. |
| 21:53.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:53.47 | landley | (There are those who call him... tim?) |
| 21:53.57 | prpplague | hehe indeed |
| 21:54.02 | landley | I am still jealous that he managed to get a Star Trek character named after him. |
| 21:54.11 | landley | How do you finagle something like that? |
| 21:54.43 | landley | The closest I managed was founding chairing a convention that had Wil Wheaton as a guest of honor. |
| 21:54.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:55.02 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:55.21 | prpplague | i don't see anything that jumps out on rdinit not working |
| 21:55.26 | prpplague | i'll do some testing |
| 21:55.40 | landley | It might work for you. |
| 21:55.59 | landley | I may have just had something in ext2 image screwed up. |
| 21:56.11 | prpplague | landley: hmm, does initramfs use rdinit? |
| 21:56.12 | landley | (Was doing initrd rather than initramfs, trying to change as few variables as possible.) |
| 21:56.16 | landley | Yup. |
| 21:56.24 | landley | rdinit is for anything before root= |
| 21:56.30 | landley | It replaces linuxrc or /init, not /sbin/init. |
| 21:59.10 | prpplague | landley: i just tried a quick test with rdinit=/bin/sh using an initrd |
| 21:59.14 | prpplague | landley: worked on |
| 21:59.57 | prpplague | landley: i'm out of time for today, but i'll see about doing a more detailed test on monday |
| 22:00.10 | prpplague | landley: and i'll report my hammer patch to LAK on monday |
| 22:02.31 | prpplague | heads home |
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| 23:23.26 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:27.54 | prpplague | nothing like a nice roman dinner on friday night |
| 23:28.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy ping |
| 23:28.39 | landley | roman dinner? |
| 23:28.42 | landley | (ramen?) |
| 23:28.44 | landley | Gladiators? |
| 23:28.47 | landley | Vomitorium? |
| 23:29.58 | prpplague | landley: nice big wheel of cheese, big uncut piece of wheat bread, smoked sausage, dates, figs, and a bowl of honey, along with a good bottle of red wine |
| 23:30.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: pong |
| 23:31.20 | prpplague | RobotGuy i guess you saved the jffs2 page after i moved it |
| 23:31.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy was there any major changes? |
| 23:31.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy or do i need to just copy it over again? |
| 23:32.18 | landley | Hey, sounds like food to me. |
| 23:32.34 | landley | I have a packet of honey from KFC and some diet Dr. Pepper. |
| 23:32.37 | landley | Not quite the same. |
| 23:32.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:32.51 | landley | I also have the ability to leave the office and drive back to Austin in half an hour... |
| 23:33.01 | prpplague | landley fun fun |
| 23:33.05 | prpplague | landley thats a long drive |
| 23:33.09 | prpplague | landley what about 2 hours? |
| 23:33.11 | landley | Yeah, I know. |
| 23:33.13 | prpplague | maybe three? |
| 23:33.14 | landley | 3 1/2. |
| 23:33.18 | prpplague | ahh |
| 23:33.18 | landley | Each way. |
| 23:33.24 | prpplague | fade waiting for ya? |
| 23:33.24 | landley | That's if I avoid most of Houston traffic. |
| 23:34.07 | prpplague | landley you should try the roman dinner sometime, its fun to do on the coffee table with a good movie |
| 23:34.23 | landley | I'm all for it. |
| 23:34.28 | prpplague | landley of course for you, minus the red wine, maybe sub so nice red grape juice |
| 23:34.39 | landley | shrugs. |
| 23:34.40 | landley | Fade does wine. |
| 23:34.51 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Let me look. |
| 23:35.02 | landley | thinks if you caffienate wine, he might consider it. |
| 23:35.09 | prpplague | landley hehe, back when i was single, it was a good fun "home date" |
| 23:35.55 | prpplague | landley granted the average cowgirl redneck didn't care for it, but i didn't normally date those types |
| 23:36.10 | landley | Neither did I. |
| 23:36.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That looks like my page. I'll go over it more closely later. |
| 23:36.43 | ds2 | just need to do that in a cave lighted by torches |
| 23:37.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy np, i'll just move it over |
| 23:37.02 | ds2 | or maybe a monestary to the sound of monks singing in the background |
| 23:37.21 | prpplague | ds2 ?? i serious doubt the romans did |
| 23:37.30 | prpplague | ds2 more likely at a brothel |
| 23:37.36 | ds2 | prpplague: thinking more of something in the dark ages |
| 23:38.03 | prpplague | ds2 uh dark ages would be more like mutton and dry wheat bread |
| 23:38.19 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 23:38.20 | prpplague | ds2 or potato cakes and bread |
| 23:41.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have a kernel config I like, and a jffs2 image (with Python) I like. Now I just have to get them to boot up. Might be a problem in my inittab. |
| 23:42.27 | prpplague | landley interesting, mensa is the roman name for a small table for eating |
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| 23:43.33 | prpplague | landley and also the name for an altar in the roman catholic church |
| 23:43.46 | prpplague | landley you get your dues updated? |
| 23:43.55 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, can't see anything wrong in inittab so far. |
| 23:44.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy what problem do you have? |
| 23:45.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Kernel panic again: - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 23:45.08 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 23:45.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy please pastebin the boot log |
| 23:46.04 | landley | prpplague: not since about... 1998? |
| 23:46.28 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/971808 |
| 23:46.32 | landley | checks old card. Wow I've had this wallet a long time... |
| 23:46.34 | landley | Nope, 1999. |
| 23:47.21 | landley | RobotGuy: congrats, you managed to opps the jffs2 driver. |
| 23:47.41 | RobotGuy | landley: I break things. |
| 23:47.45 | landley | I think that's what happened, anyway. |
| 23:47.48 | landley | Join the club. |
| 23:47.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy holy cow |
| 23:48.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy how the hell did you do that |
| 23:48.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 23:48.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am King of Breakage. |
| 23:48.19 | landley | Might have run out of physical memory... |
| 23:48.31 | RobotGuy | landley: That shouldn't be possible. |
| 23:48.32 | landley | The virtual address dereferences to address 0. |
| 23:48.56 | landley | RobotGuy: not via an allocation, via some sort of attempt to map the memory. |
| 23:49.09 | landley | It looks like it tried to get a virtual address to map onto something physical, and it all went pear shaped. |
| 23:49.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy i'm guessing you've got a typo in the mtd definitions |
| 23:49.11 | RobotGuy | landley: I didn't do it, honest. |
| 23:49.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy pastebin your mach-tct_hammer.c |
| 23:49.19 | landley | (This is a wild guess.) |
| 23:49.49 | prpplague | landley i guessing he's got a type where it thinks there is a 3 partition beyond the end of the flash |
| 23:50.05 | landley | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Decoding_Oops |
| 23:50.20 | landley | Yup. Mapping a virtual address past the end of flash would do it. |
| 23:50.28 | prpplague | oh nice url |
| 23:50.32 | prpplague | booksmarks |
| 23:52.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: http://www.pastebin.ca/971813 |
| 23:52.49 | prpplague | landley man you are gonna get to austin late |
| 23:53.50 | landley | prpplague: I am aware of this. |
| 23:54.20 | landley | prpplague: I'm writing up my documentation paper for OLS. Gotta have the occasional "why didn't I know about this already?" link in there while I'm complaining about indexing. |
| 23:55.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:56.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy looking now |
| 23:56.44 | landley | Then again, considering how many people don't even know about http://lwn.net/Kernel/Index/ or http://www.linuxjournal.com/xstatic/magazine/archives ... |
| 23:56.49 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 23:57.48 | RobotGuy | I am still not sure how to interface a 5V sensor to Hammer. In this case it would be I2C. |
| 23:58.06 | landley | Or never noticed that I put http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation and http://kernel.org/doc/htmldocs and http://kernel.org/doc/menuconfig online... |
| 23:58.38 | RobotGuy | Sienna sent me some toys to write software for. |
| 23:58.38 | prpplague | RobotGuy you still using the default config, or did you turn a bunch of stuff on? |
| 23:58.52 | landley | Or that I broke up http://kernel.org/doc/ols/ and indexed them a bit... |
| 23:58.53 | landley | Sigh. |
| 23:58.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I started this config from the default. |
| 23:59.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy did you turn a bunch of stuff on? |
| 23:59.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I did turn some stuff on. |