| 00:22.08 | *** join/#edev Madsy (n=madsy@ti500710a342-1985.bb.online.no) |
| 00:31.39 | *** join/#edev cajaka (n=none@cpe-24-58-193-200.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:48.26 | *** join/#edev bsdfox_ (n=h36sa@c-71-197-73-68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:46.30 | *** join/#edev ico2 (n=ico2@modem-3233.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 03:59.24 | *** join/#edev DrZimmerman (n=theo@tbaumgartner.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 04:38.52 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 05:02.07 | *** join/#edev roxfan (n=dunno@75.195-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 05:55.02 | *** join/#edev linac (n=lin@121.41.41.103) |
| 06:02.17 | *** join/#edev drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07F356.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:43.20 | *** join/#edev steliosk (n=Stelios@athedsl-4396616.home.otenet.gr) |
| 06:43.41 | *** join/#edev howtoo (n=howtoo@195.159.62.66) |
| 07:18.54 | *** join/#edev Appleman1234 (n=Appleman@CPE-124-186-229-83.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:20.04 | *** join/#edev [AD]Turbo (n=turbo@host24-241-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:20.58 | [AD]Turbo | yo all |
| 07:38.42 | *** join/#edev roxfan2 (n=dunno@225.14-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:13.44 | *** join/#edev lyakh (n=lyakh@p57BD3324.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:21.13 | RobotGuy | You say that always but never respond after I say hello. |
| 08:27.54 | [AD]Turbo | me? |
| 09:03.13 | *** join/#edev vano (n=vano@212.98.186.138) |
| 09:19.38 | RobotGuy | Yes, you |
| 10:00.55 | *** join/#edev samuelr (n=samuelr@dsl093-061-094.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 10:38.01 | *** join/#edev linac (n=lin@222.76.82.104) |
| 10:42.11 | *** join/#edev samuelr (n=samuelr@dsl093-061-094.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 11:08.10 | *** join/#edev bbradley (n=bbradley@82-32-35-42.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:36.26 | *** join/#edev ali_as (n=as@ambix.plus.com) |
| 12:12.04 | *** join/#edev [AD]Turbo (n=turbo@host24-241-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:21.02 | *** part/#edev vano (n=vano@212.98.186.138) |
| 13:13.38 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com) |
| 13:23.45 | *** join/#edev chouimat|work (n=dieu@209.217.106.98) |
| 13:27.42 | *** join/#edev GPSFan (n=kenm@12.10.255.246) |
| 13:27.42 | *** mode/#edev [+o GPSFan] by ChanServ |
| 13:37.29 | *** join/#edev Chocobo (n=swinchen@strongbad.eece.maine.edu) |
| 13:37.31 | *** join/#edev swinchen (n=swinchen@strongbad.eece.maine.edu) |
| 13:40.24 | Chocobo | prpplague, are you around? I have a few simple questions about the hammer board. 1st, is the linker script created by buildroot? I can't seem to find it anywhere. The 2nd question is what would be involved with running a standalone program on it (without linux)? |
| 13:40.32 | prpplague | Chocobo: yep |
| 13:40.59 | prpplague | Chocobo: yes the linker script is part of buildroot |
| 13:41.14 | prpplague | Chocobo: there is no problems running a standalone app, since thats what apex is |
| 13:41.26 | prpplague | Chocobo: any bootloader is a standalone app |
| 13:42.02 | Chocobo | Alright, I think I want to try building my own toolchain and possibly even write my own linker script and get a simple blinking LED going. |
| 13:42.22 | Chocobo | Thanks :) |
| 13:44.28 | prpplague | Chocobo: thats a tall order |
| 13:44.37 | prpplague | Chocobo: any particular reason you want to do that? |
| 13:44.56 | prpplague | Chocobo: you could almost spend a decade studying toolchains |
| 13:45.39 | Chocobo | Well I don't want to write my own compiler... just use GnuARM arm... but build it from source. I actually have that part done already. |
| 13:46.23 | Chocobo | I am reading this book: http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/680017/description#description |
| 13:46.52 | prpplague | looks |
| 13:47.00 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 13:47.38 | prpplague | chouimat|work: morning |
| 13:47.43 | prpplague | Chocobo: interesting |
| 13:49.01 | Chocobo | He goes through the process of building the toolchain, and writing a linker script for a board. Examples with both RAM/FLASH code location, etc. The biggest mystery for me is the linker script. That and how to use JTAG to actually get the code over to the board :P |
| 13:49.55 | Chocobo | He covers the linker script pretty well but I don't think I will fully understand it until I do it. He doesn't cover JTAG very well at all. And I really want to start there seeing it is how you breath life into the board. |
| 13:50.28 | prpplague | Chocobo: no one covers JTAG very well |
| 13:50.41 | Chocobo | Bummer :/ |
| 13:50.54 | prpplague | Chocobo: the only way to really understand JTAG, imho, is to write a couple JTAG flash programs |
| 13:51.01 | prpplague | Chocobo: but thats just me |
| 13:51.26 | Chocobo | Oh, programs that actually use the wiggler or something to flash a program over to the target? |
| 13:52.46 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:52.59 | SpeedEvil | JTAG is multifunctional - and can do lots. |
| 13:53.14 | SpeedEvil | The most basic level is to test the state of and set the state of pins on a chip. |
| 13:53.25 | SpeedEvil | And to verify which chips are on the board. |
| 13:53.50 | SpeedEvil | You can use this to wiggle the pins on chip in such a manner that it will - for example - program an attached flash chip. |
| 13:54.02 | prpplague | Chocobo: you can actually use jtag to toggle a led connected to the SoC |
| 13:54.25 | prpplague | Chocobo: basically JTAG turns your SoC into a puppet |
| 13:54.35 | prpplague | Chocobo: just got to know how to tell it what to do |
| 13:54.49 | Chocobo | Yeah, just figuring out how to make it do that is the challenge. |
| 13:55.01 | SpeedEvil | In other configurations, on other boards, there can be a whole string of chips attached by JTAG. |
| 13:59.15 | prpplague | Chocobo: anyway, to answer your question, the hammer with the standard carrier board, or a nail board would be perfect for such low lever development |
| 14:00.44 | Chocobo | Ok, thanks prpplague :) |
| 14:01.03 | Chocobo | SpeedEvil, That sounds way more complex than I need right now :) |
| 14:01.05 | prpplague | Chocobo: the nail will be available at the end of the month for $189 as a kit |
| 14:06.49 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 14:06.53 | prpplague | merry freakin monday |
| 14:13.44 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:14.28 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 14:17.46 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:22.27 | *** join/#edev ce_geek (n=ce_geek@roger-blanchette-4.umelst.maine.edu) |
| 14:23.22 | prpplague | ce_geek / RobotGuy greetings hammer heads |
| 14:23.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: Greetings |
| 14:23.53 | RobotGuy | Greetings Head Heammer Head. :P |
| 14:24.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe, not me, i'm just a foot soldier |
| 14:24.40 | RobotGuy | 2.6.25-rc9 is out now. |
| 14:25.00 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:25.05 | RobotGuy | I have it and running it now. Hammer patch applies cleanly. |
| 14:25.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The version of rsynce needs to go to 3.0.2 and it builds clean. |
| 14:25.35 | prpplague | good deal, i'm still waiting for RMK to signoff on the patch |
| 14:25.52 | RobotGuy | rsync is what I mean. |
| 14:26.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we'll be making a cvs repo available soon for you to update those things |
| 14:26.34 | RobotGuy | Oh, cool! |
| 14:27.22 | RobotGuy | That will be much nicer and we can update as we find things to fix. |
| 14:31.31 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, WiFi and my Thumb Drive keep disappearing. :( All the correct modules are loaded. I think it might be a config issue rather than kernel. |
| 14:31.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: using both at the same time? |
| 14:32.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes. |
| 14:32.27 | RobotGuy | I'm not sure where the problem is at present. |
| 14:33.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: using a hub? |
| 14:33.51 | RobotGuy | Yes |
| 14:34.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: unpowered? |
| 14:34.52 | prpplague | how many usb devices are you planning to use with the hammer? |
| 14:34.53 | RobotGuy | I think my hub is the proplem - powered. I just plugged wifi into carrier board direct and it came right up as it should. |
| 14:35.20 | RobotGuy | prpplague: 2 - 4 at least. Gonna get a coupld Phidgets. |
| 14:36.07 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think I need to configure hotplug also. |
| 14:38.41 | prpplague | darn if all the good ambient techno albums are only available outside the US |
| 14:39.11 | RobotGuy | I think I found the problem, testing now. |
| 14:41.33 | RobotGuy | I did not update my /etc/network/interface file when the device name changed from rausb0 to wlan0. Not sure about the Thumb Drive yet. |
| 14:50.34 | RobotGuy | What's going on with elinux.org these days?? |
| 14:51.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the vm has been repovisioned, and the wiki is being reinitialized |
| 14:51.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: should be back up on the new server around the middle of the week |
| 14:51.29 | RobotGuy | I'm putting my stuff on my own Wiki now. |
| 14:51.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we'll be re-resting the backup procedure before we go live |
| 14:51.58 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats fine, the old wiki will be available for some time |
| 14:52.03 | RobotGuy | Good. I hate losing stuff. |
| 14:52.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so moving the changes over will be easy |
| 14:52.09 | prpplague | me too |
| 14:52.28 | RobotGuy | Luckily, I had local backup copies of my own stuff. |
| 14:52.54 | RobotGuy | I installed MediaWiki at www.hybotics.info. |
| 14:53.14 | RobotGuy | I haven't fully configured it yet though. |
| 14:54.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea i normally do backups of the wiki, but i hadn't done so because the move to the new wiki and i was really sick right after the move |
| 14:54.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know. |
| 14:54.55 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:55.02 | prpplague | waits for builds to finish |
| 14:55.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am using pretty much all the flash I have now. |
| 14:56.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: My maximum software build would fit in 128 MB Flash. |
| 14:56.54 | prpplague | i hate it when companies only have the www configured, i.e. www.foo.com and not foo.com |
| 14:57.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know what you mean. I always configure both. |
| 14:58.08 | RobotGuy | Webfaction's control panel is very cool and it lets me do pretty much anything I want to do, even install software of my own. |
| 15:01.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: TCT should get tincantools.info and put a wiki and forums there. |
| 15:01.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why replicate information that is already available on elinux.org? |
| 15:01.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You have more control over your own stuff. |
| 15:02.12 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i have just as much control over the stuff at elinux.org |
| 15:02.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are not subject to somebody else's ISP though, if you have your own domain and wiki/forums. |
| 15:03.03 | RobotGuy | You control which ISP you use. |
| 15:03.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how is that different that having to deal with it yourself? |
| 15:03.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i wouldn't be doing it |
| 15:03.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so for me, nothing is different |
| 15:03.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are not subject to what somebody else does. |
| 15:03.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: how so? |
| 15:04.00 | RobotGuy | Besides, tincantools.info is the perfect domain for a wiki and forums. :) |
| 15:04.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You would not have been subject to the recent downage at elinux.org |
| 15:04.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we would have exactly the same problem |
| 15:04.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: and i'd be in the same boat |
| 15:04.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not of you pick a good ISP.. |
| 15:05.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: again, i have no say in the ISP or how its run, so... for me nothing would be different |
| 15:06.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: For you, maybe nothing would change, but the whole maintenance, downage, etc would be in control of TCT, not somebody like CELF who obviously just picked the cheapest ISP they could find. |
| 15:06.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ok, so who at TCT would be doing all this? |
| 15:07.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Whomever is responsible for this sort of thing. I don't know what the TCT hosting setup is so can't say for sure. |
| 15:07.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: which is my point |
| 15:08.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm not sure I follow. |
| 15:08.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: with elinux.org atleast i know i can talk to |
| 15:08.28 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (n=nobody@163.181.251.103) |
| 15:08.28 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 15:08.34 | RobotGuy | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:09.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Can you talk directly to GoDaddy when there is a problem? |
| 15:10.09 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no, but i can talk the TimR,TimB, and wmat |
| 15:10.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: thats more than i can do with the tct website |
| 15:10.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: True, which is one level more to go to, and then they have to go to GoDaddy, right? |
| 15:10.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i won't deal at all with godaddy |
| 15:11.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: don't want to, i'd have no idea what to even discuss |
| 15:11.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: This is my point. TCT does not seem to have the control of their own stuff at present they should have. |
| 15:11.49 | RobotGuy | I only deal direct with ISPs. Been doing it for years for my own stuff. |
| 15:11.56 | CosmicPenguin | hey folks |
| 15:11.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no sure what "stuff" you are refering to? the contents of the wiki? |
| 15:12.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 15:12.06 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Website, Wiki, Forums, etc. |
| 15:12.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: website and forums are tct's |
| 15:12.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no idea who takes care of those |
| 15:12.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I wish they would fix the forums. |
| 15:12.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: wiki is elinux.org |
| 15:12.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whats broken? |
| 15:13.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Too much spam. |
| 15:13.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: has there been some spam since last friday? |
| 15:14.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Not since this past Friday that I have seen. |
| 15:14.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, supposedly a new spam/bot filter was added |
| 15:14.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's early in the week though. |
| 15:14.46 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK, I did not realize they had done that. |
| 15:14.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: it was added on friday |
| 15:15.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Good. :) |
| 15:17.56 | RobotGuy | ISPs like GoDaddy make me so mad, especially when I know I could do it way better myself (and do have my own server here for my own stuff). |
| 15:22.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just like anything else, if you got the time and the skill, it often works out better to do it yourself |
| 15:22.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: problem is, i have neither |
| 15:22.39 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, and I have both. :) Although there are so many things I want to do it's hard to focus sometimes. |
| 15:23.21 | *** join/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 15:23.21 | RobotGuy | I conencted my I2C compass up to Hammer the other day. |
| 15:23.33 | RobotGuy | s/conencted/connected/ |
| 15:27.04 | RobotGuy | prpplague: They fixed the Ralink chipset identification in RC9. |
| 15:30.34 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I have an uptime of 15966 days on the devices I have on my desk ... |
| 15:30.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:31.17 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's nice to know that the device is reliable ;) |
| 15:31.53 | RobotGuy | I wonder what an iPhone's uptime would be, |
| 15:33.31 | chouimat|work | prpplague: http://www.spiq.ca/v2/reportages/2008_04_04_Appel99_ManegeMilitaire/index.html <--- worksafe and some really nice picture |
| 15:33.32 | chouimat|work | s |
| 15:35.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: thats terrible |
| 15:35.46 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it make a huge hole in the old part of Quebec City |
| 15:36.47 | RobotGuy | Arson? |
| 15:37.01 | chouimat|work | no |
| 15:37.54 | chouimat|work | prpplague: RobotGuy this building was the home of one of the volunteer regiment of the canadian army |
| 15:48.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess you door pass is still working? |
| 15:50.16 | CosmicPenguin | WE'll see if it works at lunch |
| 15:50.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:50.46 | CosmicPenguin | I am digging a hole pretty fast here |
| 15:51.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 15:59.15 | RobotGuy | hands CosmicPenguin a big shovel |
| 16:01.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep, my USB Hub is the problem. :( The only one I have. :( |
| 16:01.47 | prpplague | time to visit big lots |
| 16:02.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Broke until next month. :( |
| 16:02.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you digging a fox-hole, or a latrine? |
| 16:04.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: My internet is probably going to be interrupted soon, so I'll be offline for awhile when that happens - not sure how long. |
| 16:11.24 | RobotGuy | I could be offline for as long as 6 weeks. :(:( |
| 16:13.55 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:16.10 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:17.17 | prpplague | RobotGuy: why are you going to be offline for up to 6 weeks? |
| 16:17.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: going on holiday with some aliens? |
| 16:17.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Money issues. |
| 16:17.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i told you to stop spending all your money at the nudie bar |
| 16:18.00 | RobotGuy | Once I get behind, it is very difficult to get caught up again. :( |
| 16:18.11 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i hear ya |
| 16:18.45 | RobotGuy | Can't afford to pay for my Internet. :( :( |
| 16:58.20 | prpplague | hmm, 4.1.2 doesn't like to build my nand driver for apex |
| 17:03.29 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:04.07 | prpplague | hmm, 3.3.5 builds fine, but 4.1.2 doesn't |
| 17:04.10 | prpplague | joy joy |
| 17:05.44 | RobotGuy | For what? |
| 17:06.01 | prpplague | apex with a custom nand driver |
| 17:06.13 | RobotGuy | Hmmm |
| 17:08.14 | prpplague | i suspect that 4.1.2 is doing some monkey business with my asm code |
| 17:17.26 | RobotGuy | Monkey code, eh? |
| 17:20.58 | prpplague | asm inside c is always kind of monkey code |
| 17:21.59 | RobotGuy | Better than C inside asm would be. |
| 17:22.11 | RobotGuy | Which isn't possible, I know. |
| 17:22.37 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 17:22.53 | SpeedEvil | In that you can call routines written in C from an asm program |
| 17:24.15 | RobotGuy | Wow, I didn't know that. |
| 17:25.05 | RobotGuy | Now I have to replace a USB hub and a WiFi router. :( |
| 17:28.09 | *** join/#edev Madsy (n=madsy@ti500710a342-1985.bb.online.no) |
| 17:43.28 | adyer | SpeedEvil: heh, I wonder if he ever thought about how the jump from asm to C environment in the bootloader happened :-) |
| 17:57.13 | *** join/#edev LyosNorezel (n=Ralph@unaffiliated/lyosnorezel) |
| 17:59.14 | prpplague | adyer: probably not |
| 17:59.38 | prpplague | 4.1.2 is really doing something screwy with my nand init code |
| 18:05.04 | prpplague | looks like its optimizing the code to the point of it not working |
| 18:05.43 | Dr{Who} | morning.... |
| 18:05.55 | prpplague | greetings |
| 18:26.42 | Dr{Who} | Robot.. you can jump back and forth from C to asm or back or any other including compiled pascal. or any language that builds down to ASM. just need to make sure your call stack's are compatible.. |
| 18:27.03 | Dr{Who} | in the end any call jump from any language that is compiled to asm is just asm to asm.. |
| 18:29.03 | Dr{Who} | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions#cdecl is a decent explenation of cdecl. if you want to see whats going on to do an actual C call |
| 18:30.49 | Dr{Who} | i have no idea how that differs on ARM but im sure I will have to learn the registers soon to figure out why tinycc does not make bin's that can call stdlib and not crash...... |
| 18:32.15 | Dr{Who} | i have done x86 style asm since my first z80 system but i have limited exp with other instruction sets. |
| 18:32.47 | Dr{Who} | cisc vs risc that is. |
| 18:42.01 | *** join/#edev landley (n=landley@rrcs-67-78-38-61.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:42.01 | *** mode/#edev [+o landley] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.15 | *** join/#edev landley_ (n=landley@rrcs-67-78-38-61.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:48.30 | *** join/#edev landley__ (n=landley@rrcs-67-78-38-61.sw.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:10.09 | ds2 | hello |
| 20:48.35 | *** join/#edev agaffney (n=agaffney@gentoo/developer/pdpc.active.agaffney) |
| 21:03.36 | Dr{Who} | Q. CONFIG_ENV_REGION_KERNEL this is in the format nor:256k+1024k is this to say 256k start with 1024k bytes to write? |
| 21:07.56 | prpplague | correct |
| 21:08.12 | prpplague | from the nor device |
| 21:09.05 | Dr{Who} | so silly quesiton as it seems redundant.. CONFIG_RAMDISK_SIZE is for? |
| 21:09.48 | Dr{Who} | if we already have CONFIG_ENV_REGION_RAMDISK |
| 21:09.51 | prpplague | the ramdisk size can be passed as a atag |
| 21:10.14 | prpplague | the code was never fixed to parse the combine the arguments |
| 21:10.26 | prpplague | so yes it is redundant and should be fixed |
| 21:10.46 | Dr{Who} | ok cool so i am not going crazy. |
| 21:10.58 | Dr{Who} | ya thats does seem reasonable if the parts of the code are not combined. |
| 21:13.26 | prpplague | the atag feature for the ramdisk size was added on after the ramdisk copy option |
| 21:13.37 | prpplague | mainly as a fix, now it really needs to be a combined item |
| 21:21.50 | adyer | I'm having trouble getting mdev in busybox to load marvell wifi firmware via hotplug. Anybody gone through that? |
| 21:22.20 | *** join/#edev RobotGuy (n=robotguy@dsl093-038-072.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:22.37 | Dr{Who} | no sorry have done firmware loading manually or via my own scripts but not hotplug.. |
| 21:23.30 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Howdy |
| 21:23.34 | Dr{Who} | hay.. |
| 21:23.51 | *** part/#edev LyosNorezel (n=Ralph@unaffiliated/lyosnorezel) |
| 21:24.01 | *** join/#edev __SiftinDotCom (n=admin@206.184.204.2) |
| 21:24.11 | *** part/#edev __SiftinDotCom (n=admin@206.184.204.2) |
| 21:24.18 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: It turns out my USB Hub was the source of my frustration. |
| 21:25.29 | RobotGuy | I have my I2C compass wired to Hammer now, and need to complete the wiring of my BT module. |
| 21:27.52 | *** join/#edev bbradley (n=bbradley@82-32-35-42.cable.ubr05.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 21:27.55 | Dr{Who} | sweet. |
| 21:29.07 | RobotGuy | Apparently, the I2C bus is not scanned for devices at boot up. |
| 21:30.10 | adyer | RobotGuy: I2C scanning is a treacherous thing to do - there is no standard for how devices implement something like that |
| 21:30.36 | Dr{Who} | ya its not like 1 wire. |
| 21:31.08 | RobotGuy | adyer: Yeah, probably so. I just need to know which i2c-* file to adress a device by. If the are assigned sequentially, it could be a problem. |
| 21:31.16 | Dr{Who} | do i2c devices even have mac addresses? |
| 21:31.28 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Just bus addresses. |
| 21:32.57 | Dr{Who} | btw.. robot.. the comic book convetion was a blast.. you would have had fun. if you like that sort of stuff. |
| 21:33.24 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Which one? Local? |
| 21:33.33 | Dr{Who} | ya portland's |
| 21:33.40 | Dr{Who} | next one will be in november |
| 21:33.54 | Dr{Who} | ill probably get my kid a booth at that one too. |
| 21:33.59 | RobotGuy | Cool |
| 21:34.13 | RobotGuy | I've never really been into comics. |
| 21:34.15 | Dr{Who} | she did like 80-100 in sales.. not bad. hoped for more.. |
| 21:34.42 | Dr{Who} | i dont get into the comics but i love the art and toys. |
| 21:34.57 | RobotGuy | Toys are cool. Especially hackable ones. :) |
| 21:35.19 | RobotGuy | wants to hack his RoboQuad and get it hammered one day. |
| 21:35.29 | Dr{Who} | heh.. they had some AWSOM pachinko games ... i think thats what they are called? have color lcd video behind the balls and pins |
| 21:35.49 | RobotGuy | Yeah, Pachinko. Thos are cool. |
| 21:36.28 | RobotGuy | I'm sure there is room in RoboQuad's head for a small board with a Hammer on it. |
| 21:36.54 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, I think a nailboard would fit. |
| 21:37.14 | RobotGuy | It's long and skinny. |
| 21:41.00 | RobotGuy | Durn, Nail might be too long. |
| 21:42.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: man, 4.1.2 is doing some really weird stuff with apex nand driver |
| 21:45.05 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, I think the proposed Hammer-RDP might fit in RoboQuad's head. |
| 21:46.22 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, we can't decide if we want to beta it with paris hiltons head or britney's |
| 21:46.59 | RobotGuy | Ha ha |
| 21:47.33 | RobotGuy | It's difficult to say where a Hammer-RDP might show up. |
| 21:47.35 | prpplague | hmm, looks like the alignment is getting off |
| 21:48.15 | CosmicPenguin | argh! |
| 21:48.37 | RobotGuy | My carrier board is starting to look impressive, even if none of my additions work yet. |
| 21:48.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: to which item? hehe |
| 21:49.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like its off by 64 bits |
| 21:49.38 | CosmicPenguin | no- this was my own suck |
| 21:49.48 | CosmicPenguin | in X, out[rwl] is reversed from the kernel |
| 21:49.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 21:49.56 | CosmicPenguin | instaed of outl(value, port) its outl(port, value) |
| 21:49.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ns? |
| 21:50.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: man, i wouldn't have caught that |
| 21:50.26 | CosmicPenguin | well, when stuff doesn't work.... |
| 21:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | and I've done this a time or three |
| 21:51.12 | CosmicPenguin | its double frustrating because inb/inw/inl obviously works |
| 21:51.17 | CosmicPenguin | so you know you are in the ballpark |
| 21:51.41 | prpplague | now that you mention it |
| 21:51.53 | prpplague | haven't we heard about that problem before here? |
| 21:52.03 | prpplague | seems like someone else was complain abou that |
| 21:52.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh soooo how i love hardcoded "magic" numbers |
| 21:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | I hard code magic numbers all the time.. :) |
| 21:54.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you #$@#$ |
| 21:54.10 | CosmicPenguin | you have to be this tall to ride my code |
| 21:56.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:56.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just don't like stuff like call_set_value(0x0a); |
| 21:57.06 | RobotGuy | That should at least be a constant |
| 21:57.10 | RobotGuy | Named constant |
| 21:59.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy, I haven't used 4.2.1 for the hammer as yet, but I have built Z2 stuff (userland) with 4.2.1. it's probably some arm assy code issue. |
| 21:59.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm actually usin 4.1.2 |
| 21:59.32 | prpplague | GPSFan: which is what the hammer ships with |
| 21:59.56 | GPSFan | is dyslexek (sp...) |
| 22:00.14 | RobotGuy | Dyslexic. :) |
| 22:00.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: it looks like its not honoring some of the alignment marks |
| 22:00.42 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: indeed |
| 22:01.14 | GPSFan | prpplague: ooh that would do it. any known issues with 4.1.2 code generation? |
| 22:01.37 | RobotGuy | Cixelsyds of the world Untie! |
| 22:01.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: tons |
| 22:01.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: for arm |
| 22:02.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: just got back home. new brewery in town!! with good drinkable beer! http://www.revolution-brewing.com |
| 22:02.57 | prpplague | nice |
| 22:03.16 | CosmicPenguin | heh - cans |
| 22:03.33 | RobotGuy | Sienna and I have been wrestling with the power arrangement of the Hammer-RDP. It seems it really won't be able to be single voltage afterall, now that I think about it. |
| 22:03.54 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: yes, cans. a lot of river rafting people go through here, and you can't take glass. |
| 22:04.00 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 22:04.15 | CosmicPenguin | thats not a problem - Oskar Blues uses cans, and they are one of the best breweries in colorado |
| 22:04.53 | CosmicPenguin | Doesn't look like they sell them on this side of the hill |
| 22:05.07 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: he has a small 4 can sample canner. we'll see how it works out. so far the beer is good (three kinds tested) |
| 22:05.21 | RobotGuy | SO does that mean they sell it over the hill? |
| 22:05.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: btw the wiki will be up in the morning |
| 22:05.28 | GPSFan | not yet. toooooo small as yet. just got licensed last week. |
| 22:05.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool. |
| 22:06.23 | GPSFan | bbl |
| 22:08.31 | RobotGuy | Do SD/MMC cards lock into their slots when inserted? |
| 22:10.31 | CosmicPenguin | They can - I don't think its a requirment or anything |
| 22:10.40 | CosmicPenguin | or do you mean on the hammer specifically? |
| 22:10.58 | RobotGuy | Is SPI fast enough to make an MMC card viable mass storge for loading software, etc? |
| 22:11.08 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: Yes, I am thinking in terms of Hammer. |
| 22:11.27 | prpplague | there is no requirement for sdio/sd/mmc cards to have a locking mech |
| 22:11.38 | ds2 | also locking to how much force |
| 22:11.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes |
| 22:11.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just depends on what you consider acceptable |
| 22:12.04 | RobotGuy | ds2: Just enough to make it so you have to purposefully remove it. |
| 22:12.18 | RobotGuy | So it can't come out by accident. |
| 22:12.44 | ds2 | then spring contact pressure is enuff |
| 22:13.05 | RobotGuy | I am thinking of something that could be used as a rootfs. |
| 22:13.58 | adyer | RobotGuy: I think your robot should be able to lobotomize itself by pulling out the card :-) |
| 22:14.40 | RobotGuy | adyer: :P W.A.L.T.E.R. is a good robot. Not operational at present though, but getting closer. |
| 22:15.04 | RobotGuy | adyer: He will have a gripper on an arm. |
| 22:15.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Could an SD/MMC card be used as a root fs like the flash is? |
| 22:16.23 | *** join/#edev CosmicPenguin (n=nobody@163.181.251.103) |
| 22:16.23 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 22:16.36 | ds2 | yeesss |
| 22:16.52 | ds2 | bad bt kb :( |
| 22:17.03 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmmmmmm, then so could a USB Thumb Drive, but I am not sure I would want to do that. |
| 22:17.15 | prpplague | waits for ds2 to say "my preciousssss" |
| 22:17.48 | RobotGuy | One BT to rule them all! |
| 22:18.58 | adyer | RobotGuy: sd card will be slower probably at least by 1/2 |
| 22:19.06 | Dr{Who} | lovely. gdb segfaults so how do you debug a debugger.... uggg. |
| 22:19.30 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: It needs a consultant. ;) |
| 22:19.53 | ds2 | Sd can be faster |
| 22:20.00 | RobotGuy | Is MMC any faster? |
| 22:20.03 | Dr{Who} | it needs a beating.. |
| 22:20.07 | adyer | Dr{Who}: I know you can debug a gdb built for cross-debugging in gdb |
| 22:20.23 | RobotGuy | adyer: That makes my head hurt. |
| 22:20.42 | adyer | RobotGuy: yeah, it was a bit confusing |
| 22:20.52 | Dr{Who} | my tinycc compiled helloworld with no printf will run but under gdb it segfaults.. |
| 22:21.01 | prpplague | sd and mmc are the same via spi |
| 22:22.37 | adyer | RobotGuy: SD is 4 bits, 20 MHz at best, parallel flash is 2 bytes at 10MHz for a x16 part running a 100ns cycle time |
| 22:23.52 | RobotGuy | Thumb Drive seems faster |
| 22:26.59 | RobotGuy | is looking fast and larger root partition. |
| 22:28.18 | ce_geek | prpplague: Going to re-compile kernel tonight to include Kaweth driver. I'll make sure I have the .config used to make said kernel when I'm done. Are there any updates I should use? |
| 22:28.32 | prpplague | nothing at the momment |
| 22:28.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: Juggling things again... damn thesis defense Thursday. Gotta prep for that. |
| 22:28.40 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okay! |
| 22:28.48 | prpplague | ce_geek: my dsl is out at the house, i'll be back in the morning |
| 22:28.52 | prpplague | later |
| 22:28.52 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm hoping that I just botched the kernel build last time and that things will be better this time. |
| 22:28.58 | ce_geek | prpplague: Alrighty |
| 22:30.11 | RobotGuy | I have a Microsoft labeled Thumb Drive plugged into the carrier board now. |
| 22:30.31 | *** join/#edev chouimat (n=dieu@r2351064.cidc.net) |
| 22:30.35 | Dr{Who} | evil. |
| 22:30.53 | RobotGuy | I can't find my 2GB Thumb Drive. |
| 22:33.56 | Dr{Who} | reaches through the internet with a sharpi and removes the evil branding with one swipe of his pen.. |
| 22:34.44 | Dr{Who} | well i say that only because my tv pc next to my linux box is being a bitch and is windows : c ) |
| 22:35.52 | RobotGuy | Windows is a Linux Bitch? |
| 22:37.57 | RobotGuy | I think I will go for a bit. I'm not feeling so good. |
| 22:40.53 | *** join/#edev ico2 (n=ico2@modem-3298.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 22:55.26 | *** join/#edev ico2 (n=ico2@modem-3298.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 23:15.25 | *** join/#edev linac (n=lin@121.41.39.98) |
| 23:31.53 | *** part/#edev adyer (n=adyer@adsl-69-223-13-78.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |