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| 15:36.48 | ds2 | morning |
| 15:38.18 | RobotGuy | Morning |
| 15:41.50 | RobotGuy | I think I broke my Hammer. |
| 15:42.46 | ds2 | use a rock? |
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| 15:42.47 | RobotGuy | Nope. Not sure how it happened. |
| 15:43.12 | ds2 | what is i6t doing? |
| 15:43.14 | RobotGuy | It's had a broken pin for awhile, which I jumpered from the Hammer (on the module) to the prototype area. |
| 15:43.51 | RobotGuy | It's not doing anything that I can detect - red user LED on constantly, no access from console or through JTAG. |
| 15:44.20 | ds2 | bad power reg? |
| 15:44.44 | RobotGuy | Seems to have power |
| 15:45.23 | ds2 | the 3.3v line measures 3.3v? |
| 15:46.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the onboard led is constantly on? |
| 15:47.14 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes. Voltages on the proto area check OK. |
| 15:47.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: sounds like a short somewhere |
| 15:47.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Onboard user LED is on. |
| 15:47.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: are you using the 3.3v output from the hammer for anything |
| 15:48.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, it is driving an I2C compass module and my serial BT module. |
| 15:48.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: disconnect those |
| 15:51.30 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 15:51.32 | purl | landley <n=landley@66-90-245-215.dyn.grandenetworks.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 3d 17h 42m 36s ago, saying: 'Sienna: google for "fuel cell hobbyist".'. |
| 15:51.46 | ds2 | hmm |
| 15:52.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did that. |
| 15:52.02 | prpplague | anyone know if there is a CELF conference irc channel? |
| 15:52.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: either pulling too much or you have something shorted |
| 15:52.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i suspect you are pulling too much current |
| 15:52.25 | ds2 | dont think there is one |
| 15:52.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Nothing changed |
| 15:52.36 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that 3.3v ldo is only good for about 200mA |
| 15:52.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but it;s working now? |
| 15:53.00 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No |
| 15:53.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh, i miss understood |
| 15:53.35 | ds2 | prpplague: why not fried? are the ldo that robust? |
| 15:53.53 | prpplague | ds2: i'm sorry i did not understand your question |
| 15:54.22 | ds2 | why did you not think the LDO is dead? |
| 15:54.29 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The 3.3V and 5V are fine at the proto area. |
| 15:55.46 | prpplague | ds2: ahh the the ldo we used is fairly robust |
| 15:56.13 | prpplague | ds2: its a 1000mA ldo, but it doesn't have the pad area that you'd normally use for 1000mA |
| 15:56.27 | ds2 | gotcha |
| 15:56.34 | prpplague | ds2: so we recommend keeping the external current low |
| 15:56.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: does sound odd thouht |
| 15:57.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd remove the hammer from the carrier and just apply +5v and ground to see if it does the same thing |
| 15:58.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: To Hammer direct? |
| 15:59.15 | RobotGuy | Gnd to 3.3V output on Hammer only gets 1.19V |
| 15:59.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: uh what? |
| 15:59.45 | prpplague | RobotGuy: when its in the carrier board? |
| 15:59.48 | RobotGuy | module pin to module pin on Hammer - GND to 3.3V output = 1.19 V |
| 15:59.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes on carrier board |
| 16:00.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, you need to take it out of the carrier, then apply +5v and ground to the correct pins |
| 16:00.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then measure the gnd to 3.3v output |
| 16:02.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I have to rig some jumper wires to do this. |
| 16:05.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I don't have anything that is going to stay connected to those machine pins. :( |
| 16:06.12 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I never have liked machine pins. |
| 16:06.49 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you don't have a 40 pin dip socket around? |
| 16:07.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Hang on - I'm hauling out my big arse breadboard. |
| 16:13.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, 5.11V going in, off carrier, nothing else connected. No go. |
| 16:13.16 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what do you read on the 3.3v out? |
| 16:13.16 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No JTAG access either |
| 16:13.52 | prpplague | RobotGuy: what do you read on the 3.3v out? |
| 16:14.22 | RobotGuy | prpplague: 0.5V. It's gone. |
| 16:14.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: make sure you disconnect the jtag |
| 16:14.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: nothing else but +5v and ground |
| 16:16.47 | prpplague | hmm i really wish i knew if landley got his stuff |
| 16:17.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: All that is connected is +5V and GND. 0.6V on 3.3V the output, no JTAG connected. |
| 16:17.28 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, sounds like you toasted your +3.3v ldo |
| 16:17.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That isn't good. :( :( |
| 16:18.10 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the 3.3v output from the hammer is ok to use for small stuff, but not so good for alot of items |
| 16:18.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its mainly there to show when the hammer is powered and running |
| 16:18.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did I not see a warning somewhere? |
| 16:18.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Did I miss it? |
| 16:19.01 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'd have to check |
| 16:19.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I may have seen it and just forgotten. :( |
| 16:20.08 | RobotGuy | Somehow, I thought the 3.3V was coming direct from the wall supply when plugged in. |
| 16:20.34 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.elinux.org/Hammer_Board |
| 16:20.39 | prpplague | RobotGuy: bottom of the page |
| 16:21.08 | prpplague | "Internal regulator output. Can supply 100mA(?) safely. Overloading this may cause irreparable damage." |
| 16:21.39 | prpplague | 200mA is reasonable, but we've been telling people 100 |
| 16:21.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That does not indicate the carrier board is getting 3.3V from the Hammer though. Oh well, doesn't matter now. I messed up. :( |
| 16:22.29 | prpplague | looks at the schematic |
| 16:24.48 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the 3.3v on the carrier board proto area is powered by a seperate 3.3v ldo |
| 16:25.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: is that where you are connecting you devices? |
| 16:25.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: or are you connecting it to the +3.3v out pin next the hammer socket? |
| 16:25.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: No, I am connecting all power and ground on the prototype area. |
| 16:25.57 | prpplague | then that should be fine |
| 16:26.44 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but none the less it seems either you have a dead short some where on the board, or the ldo is just toast |
| 16:26.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That row of pads right next to the proto area where they are labeled. |
| 16:27.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll make arrangements to send you another, but i need that one back to see what failed |
| 16:27.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It seems the LDO is toast since I only have power and ground connected. |
| 16:27.42 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, I will send it back the first of the new month when I have more money. |
| 16:27.59 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well there could be something shorted on the board |
| 16:28.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i'll include a return label for the one you have |
| 16:28.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The Hammer Board itself, not the carrier, right? |
| 16:28.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: correct, just the hammer |
| 16:28.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK |
| 16:29.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't suppose you've had any experience dealing with David Mandala ? |
| 16:29.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Thanks. |
| 16:29.36 | prpplague | np |
| 16:29.56 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the first hammer to die outside of tct |
| 16:30.20 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: nope - but it looks lke he does moko stuff? |
| 16:30.34 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I had to be the first. It just HAD to be ME. |
| 16:30.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 16:30.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that makes sense then |
| 16:31.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: landley gave him a nail board |
| 16:31.48 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'd like to know what happened to that hammer, because even with my jumpering RXD0 to the proto area after breaking that pin, everything has been fine until yesterday afternoon. |
| 16:35.17 | sjhill | prpplague: hey, where's MY nail board?! |
| 16:35.47 | prpplague | sjhill: soon! they are doing the assembly now of 20 boards |
| 16:35.53 | sjhill | ok |
| 16:36.02 | CosmicPenguin | needs to buy his board for his halloween stuff |
| 16:36.05 | CosmicPenguin | October is coming soon |
| 16:36.06 | prpplague | sjhill: we just did a rev of the board |
| 16:36.12 | CosmicPenguin | ugh, strongarm |
| 16:36.14 | CosmicPenguin | my old enemy |
| 16:36.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 16:36.47 | sjhill | would someone please stop over in #elinux and kick/ban flyback? Thanks. |
| 16:36.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what are you going to be hacking on strongarm |
| 16:37.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: we've been talking about this for a while now |
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| 16:37.30 | CosmicPenguin | I'm going to use the hammer to control my halloween festivities |
| 16:37.31 | prpplague | sjhill: have fun |
| 16:37.42 | sjhill | thx |
| 16:37.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, hammer isn't strongarm though |
| 16:37.51 | CosmicPenguin | whatever |
| 16:37.52 | CosmicPenguin | its not x86 |
| 16:37.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 16:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | so it clearly is inferior |
| 16:38.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think you will find dealing with standard ARM is much better than intel bastardizations |
| 16:39.35 | prpplague | wonders if mandala does irc |
| 16:39.59 | RobotGuy | looks to see if he still has his openocd config for the LPC2148 |
| 16:42.08 | ds2 | yes arm is inferior. it lacks the free space heater module that x86 has ;) |
| 16:57.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Are we using the latest version of OpenOCD? |
| 17:01.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no, but all of the flyswatter support is in the main tree |
| 17:02.40 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK, cool. Wasn't there some confusion about options being different for later versions of OpenOCD? |
| 17:03.30 | prpplague | if ( deskcontents >= MAX_CRAP) { clean_desk(REQUIRED); } |
| 17:03.55 | prpplague | RobotGuy: command functions are the same, just the name of the function has changed |
| 17:04.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: OK. So I just have to find out how to configure it for the LPC2148 then. I think Flyswatter should work with it. |
| 17:05.33 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, should work fine for the lpc2148 |
| 17:06.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Very good. :) I have a Rowley CrossConnect Lite, but it's unplugged at present. |
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| 17:17.39 | chouimat|work | hi landley CosmicPenguin prpplague RobotGuy sjhill |
| 17:17.46 | landley | prpplague: ok, Andrew Morton has a nail board. |
| 17:17.46 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 17:17.50 | prpplague | landley: good deal |
| 17:17.55 | RobotGuy | chouimat|work: Greetings |
| 17:18.05 | landley | He mentioned that he has a blackfin board he's never used. I promised to email him instructions that don't assume he already knows how to use it. :) |
| 17:18.19 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 17:18.45 | landley | By the way, during the "hardware presentations" thing I showed David Mandala how to use his nail board, and he couldn't get minicom to work either. |
| 17:18.56 | landley | I had to send him a copy of toybox so he could use netcat -f like I do. |
| 17:19.03 | landley | Is there a trick to getting minicom to talk to nail? |
| 17:19.20 | CosmicPenguin | write a better terminal emulator? :) |
| 17:19.33 | landley | CosmicPenguin: I did. That's why I sent him a copy of toybox. |
| 17:19.48 | landley | The "-f" option of my netcat lets you netcat to a file. |
| 17:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | there you go |
| 17:19.53 | landley | netcat -f /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 17:20.28 | landley | Then I have a "minicom.sh" script that uses stty to put the terminal into raw mode and set the baud rate and all that. |
| 17:21.06 | prpplague | landley: i've never had a problem using minicom with anything |
| 17:21.13 | prpplague | landley: what kind of problem was he having? |
| 17:21.17 | landley | stty 115200 -F "$1"; stty raw -echo -ctlecho -F "$1"; stty raw -echo' ./toybox netcat -f "$1"; stty cooked echo |
| 17:21.26 | landley | prpplague: no output. |
| 17:21.37 | landley | No matter what he did, he hit enter and didn't get any response from ttyUSB1. |
| 17:21.48 | landley | Turned hardware flow control off, changed the permissions on ttyUSB1, etc. |
| 17:22.12 | prpplague | hmm odd |
| 17:22.19 | prpplague | i'll have to do some testing |
| 17:22.30 | prpplague | but i use minicom every day with the nail board |
| 17:23.10 | landley | Could you email me your minicom config file? |
| 17:23.28 | RobotGuy | I've been using Minicom with my Hammer without problems. |
| 17:24.14 | prpplague | landley: yea, np |
| 17:25.24 | landley | I'd rather tell Andrew how to use minicom in my email than send him a copy of toybox, but I dunno the magic. :) |
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| 17:30.21 | prpplague | landley: there shouldn't be anything special, just 115200,n,8,1, no flow control, with the correct ttyUSB number |
| 17:31.26 | chouimat|work | use picocom ... less bad than minicom but still bad |
| 17:39.03 | landley | prpplague: yeah, but it didn't work. |
| 17:39.05 | landley | Dunno why. |
| 17:39.45 | RobotGuy | landley: I may try out one of your toolchains for my LPC2148 boards. |
| 17:42.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I created a huge initrd image (90 MB) that I put on my 2GB Thumb Drive. I want to try running off the Thumb Drive, no flash or anything else. |
| 17:43.11 | landley | RobotGuy: cool. |
| 17:43.14 | landley | Let me know how it goes. |
| 17:43.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will. |
| 17:43.56 | RobotGuy | landley: I will. Misdirected to prpplague |
| 17:45.50 | RobotGuy | Nobody seems to really care about terminal programs anymore and "terminal" has come to mean an X-term. There are areas of the country that still don't have access to broadband though. |
| 17:46.18 | landley | Heh. |
| 17:46.31 | landley | As expected, solar did not answer his phone with the name "ned". :) |
| 17:46.44 | CosmicPenguin | Its always been an mystery to me why open source was willing to settle for minicom |
| 17:47.16 | landley | CosmicPenguin: for the same reason it was willing to settle for vi or emacs. |
| 17:47.17 | landley | It was there. |
| 17:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | yet we have 12 different graphical toolkits |
| 17:48.01 | CosmicPenguin | I guess serial isn't sexy |
| 17:48.36 | landley | Hey, I wrote a better one for my own use. |
| 17:48.44 | landley | It's in busybox, it's in toybox. |
| 17:48.44 | CosmicPenguin | I think its sexy, but i also hack on BIOSen and device drivers, so I have damage on the brain |
| 18:05.03 | landley | Wow that's an enormous hand. |
| 18:05.05 | landley | http://elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 18:05.09 | landley | I mean... Dude. |
| 18:05.51 | landley | Hmmm, the only 3/4 view of the nail board on there is out of focus and the background is a white pen it blends into. |
| 18:06.04 | landley | is trying to compose documentation for Andrew Morton to use his new nail board from. |
| 18:06.32 | landley | Taking into account that the man is insanely busy and may spare about 3 minutes of attention to getting started, if I'm lucky. |
| 18:08.38 | landley | prpplague: why does the nail board page still have a picture of the "soap bar" case you're not actually producing? |
| 18:10.01 | prpplague | landley: mainly because we had a wiki failure and the current wiki page is about a month old |
| 18:10.10 | prpplague | landley: the new server goes online tomorrow morning |
| 18:10.34 | landley | oh good. |
| 18:11.19 | prpplague | landley: yea, last week was real beoych |
| 18:19.35 | prpplague | landley: does david mandala hang out on irc? |
| 18:19.59 | prpplague | landley: give me a few and i'll update the wiki with some block diagrams and info |
| 18:21.56 | landley | prpplague sometimes. davidm usually. |
| 18:22.05 | prpplague | landley: ahh ok |
| 18:22.06 | landley | He's giving a talk here at CELF right now, so he's not online. |
| 18:22.13 | prpplague | landley: yea, i figured as much |
| 18:22.21 | landley | Apparently his normal hangout is #ubuntu-mobile |
| 18:22.35 | prpplague | landley: you said the linuxdevices.com folks had a look at the hammer? |
| 18:22.53 | prpplague | joins #ubuntu-mobile to listen |
| 18:22.54 | landley | I was thinking of scribbling on a nail picture with an arrow pointing to the hammer module, and another pointing to the expansion header. |
| 18:23.11 | landley | He continues not to be online right now, due to giving a presentation. :) |
| 18:23.16 | landley | His laptop is hooked up to a projector... |
| 18:23.31 | samuelr | landley: Any other current or ex-TimeSys folks at CELF this year? |
| 18:23.45 | prpplague | landley: hehe, yea i was just going to see what kind of conversation goes on there |
| 18:23.46 | landley | samuelr: Gene Sally gave a presentation on gcc yesterday. |
| 18:23.48 | landley | I didn't go. |
| 18:23.56 | landley | Manas is here, still representing Marvell. |
| 18:24.03 | prpplague | landley: isn't the kernel debugging via jtag talk today? |
| 18:24.05 | landley | That's all I've noticed. |
| 18:24.24 | landley | prpplague: might be. There are talks scheduled against each other, I can't go to all of 'em. :( |
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| 18:25.00 | landley | HI sam. Did you get the answers to your question? |
| 18:25.04 | samuelr | landley: Please tell Manas I said hello. |
| 18:25.11 | landley | If I see him again, sure. |
| 18:25.33 | prpplague | landley: yea, its 3:40 to 5:30 today |
| 18:25.37 | samuelr | landley: Yeah. Found a wonderful new way to kill off pidgin, though. |
| 18:25.50 | landley | What's pidgin? |
| 18:26.01 | prpplague | landley: an instant messager app |
| 18:26.10 | samuelr | It's gaim renamed, I think. |
| 18:26.15 | landley | prpplague: yeah, I'll probably go to that one. I can skip the maemo and digital television talks. |
| 18:26.16 | prpplague | samuelr: indeed |
| 18:26.46 | prpplague | landley: pretty much everything in that session will apply to the nail board |
| 18:26.58 | prpplague | landley: i'm guessing he's using openocd |
| 18:27.19 | landley | ok |
| 18:27.24 | landley | I can write it up. :) |
| 18:27.41 | prpplague | landley: did you say the linuxdevices.com folks had a look at the hammer? |
| 18:27.49 | prpplague | landley: and nail board? |
| 18:27.55 | landley | Well, I waved it at Henry Kingman. |
| 18:28.17 | landley | Here, lemme poke him, he's sitting next to me... |
| 18:28.23 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 18:28.35 | landley | He has to install irc. New laptop. :) |
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| 18:32.10 | landley | prpplague: you wanted to ask him a question? :) |
| 18:33.10 | nerdyH2 | Howdy prpplague |
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| 18:35.01 | landley | Hey samr, how do you get pidgin to talk to freenode? |
| 18:36.28 | nerdyH2 | nevmind... we're on |
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| 18:41.57 | prpplague | nerdyH3: sorry was in the lap |
| 18:42.18 | Crofton | lap? freudian slip? |
| 18:42.30 | prpplague | lab hehe |
| 18:42.53 | prpplague | nerdyH3: just was curious as to your initial reaction to the nail board |
| 18:53.34 | prpplague | landley: block diagram is up - http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 18:55.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You are welcome to make an alternate home for the hammer wiki at www.hybotics.info if you want, as a backup. Just carve out your own corner. I think I have to set it up so people can register though. |
| 18:55.42 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 18:57.52 | nerdyH3 | sorry, I wanted away :-) |
| 18:58.09 | nerdyH3 | we covered the Nailboard back when it came out... |
| 18:58.21 | landley | You covered the hammer back when it came out, you mean? |
| 18:58.24 | nerdyH3 | it seemed like a great hobbyist product, if priced within reach |
| 18:58.26 | landley | nail board technically isn't _quite_ out yet... |
| 18:58.31 | nerdyH3 | er, right, the combi |
| 18:58.41 | nerdyH3 | ah, okay |
| 18:59.08 | nerdyH3 | looking up old coverage to refresh memory... |
| 18:59.21 | nerdyH3 | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6212564523.html |
| 18:59.59 | prpplague | nerdyH3: yea the nail will be packaged with the Hammer together for $189 in single qty |
| 19:00.35 | nerdyH3 | that'll be an advantage over the SSV DIL stuff, I'd imagine... |
| 19:00.44 | nerdyH3 | the self-contained package that Rob's carrying looks very appealing |
| 19:00.52 | prpplague | nerdyH3: yea, thats the Nail board |
| 19:00.57 | nerdyH3 | why not bring an ARM target on your commute, etc |
| 19:01.04 | nerdyH3 | Nail board with the nifty tube case |
| 19:01.08 | nerdyH3 | you ought to include one of those |
| 19:01.13 | prpplague | nerdyH3: http://www.elinux.org/Nail_Board |
| 19:01.14 | nerdyH3 | (If they're cheap?) |
| 19:01.33 | prpplague | nerdyH3: yea we will be including the case in the retail version |
| 19:01.51 | prpplague | nerdyH3: we are finalizing the production version now |
| 19:01.55 | landley | prpplague: I noticed the lack of cases. |
| 19:02.07 | landley | I put my case on the one I gave to Andrew Morton. |
| 19:02.19 | nerdyH3 | it looks like we ought to refresh our coverage to include the Nail board... if I assign that for coverage this afternoon, are the web resources up-to-date enough to make good coverage accurate? |
| 19:02.28 | prpplague | landley: yea somehow they didn't get including in the shipment, it was kind of rushed |
| 19:06.04 | prpplague | nerdyH3: we weren't planning to go live with the product untill next week, so our main website doesn't have anything up at the momment |
| 19:06.47 | prpplague | nerdyH3: i just spoke to boss, he said we can go ahead with some info on our main tincantools website today, or you can point them to the elinux.org wiki pages |
| 19:07.55 | prpplague | nerdyH3: so you can run it as a "coming soon" item and availablity starting next week |
| 19:08.40 | prpplague | landley: when you get back to austin, i'll ship you another case |
| 19:08.58 | prpplague | landley: i guess i can get david mandala's shipping address and send him one |
| 19:18.43 | landley | prpplague: thanks. |
| 19:18.45 | landley | David's in Dallas. |
| 19:18.57 | prpplague | landley: OH? |
| 19:19.36 | prpplague | didn't know that |
| 19:21.20 | landley | Well, a suburb of dallas. |
| 19:21.24 | landley | You'd have to ask him, I dunno my way around. |
| 19:21.26 | nerdyH3 | prpplague: cool, on updating website. Let me know when it's ready to sic a reporter on |
| 19:22.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You should be able to create an account at www.hybotics.info now. If you need more permissions let me know. |
| 19:22.31 | prpplague | nerdyH3: are you wanting to run with it today? or would tomorrow ok? |
| 19:22.59 | nerdyH3 | prpplague: tomorrow's good -- my reporters on the East Coast, so it'd be a push for today, I guess |
| 19:23.21 | prpplague | nerdyH3: ok, we'll have the website updated for tomorrow |
| 19:39.00 | nerdyH3 | prpplague -- cool! a reminder via email/confirmation of update would be great -- henry at linuxdevices dot com |
| 19:39.32 | prpplague | nerdyH3: will do |
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| 19:41.30 | prpplague | nerdyH3: we have a whole range of carrier boards in the works for the Hammer, including a Robotics Development Platform, as well as ethernet based board using the enc28j60 |
| 19:42.56 | nerdyH3 | prpplague -- that'll be welcome news to our readers. Cool, on real-time friendly Eth. controller option |
| 19:48.58 | RobotGuy | grins |
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| 20:44.24 | landley_ | prpplague: you mentioned a script that just reboots the nail board? |
| 20:45.02 | prpplague | landley_: yea, you can do an openocd script that just has "reset run" in it |
| 20:45.13 | prpplague | landley_: i've got the start of a c app to do it |
| 20:45.22 | prpplague | landley_: just haven;t had time to work on it |
| 20:48.40 | prpplague | landley_: two lines - 1) reset run 2) shutdown |
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| 21:03.04 | RobotGuy | landley_: I don't know about a script, but I know how to nail a hammer board. |
| 21:03.54 | landley_ | prpplague: it said |
| 21:03.57 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 21:04.12 | prpplague | landley_: sorry? |
| 21:04.16 | landley_ | Info: openocd.c:93 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-09-05 09:00 CEST) |
| 21:04.16 | landley_ | Error: jtag.c:1571 handle_reset_config_command(): invalid reset_config argument |
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| 21:04.39 | prpplague | one sec let me pastebin the openocd file |
| 21:05.22 | landley | I did "reset run" and "shutdown" in reset.cfg. |
| 21:05.25 | landley | Fed it in via -f. |
| 21:05.49 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 21:06.12 | prpplague | landley: what you need is to use the standard hammer cfg file and create a reset.ocd file |
| 21:06.28 | prpplague | landley: inside the hammer.cfg file tell it to use the reset.ocd script |
| 21:07.06 | landley | Sigh. |
| 21:07.30 | prpplague | landley: i'll try to make time tomorrow morning to fix up the reset c code |
| 21:07.51 | RobotGuy | landley: When all else fails, restart from scratch with a known working configuration. :D:D |
| 21:08.12 | landley | It would be nice if I could specify a different ocd without block copying the entire .cfg file three times... |
| 21:08.31 | prpplague | landley: yes that is a request i've made for openocd several times |
| 21:08.38 | prpplague | landley: have it as a command line option |
| 21:08.51 | prpplague | landley: guess i'll have to spend some time on that too |
| 21:10.02 | prpplague | landley: actually i spoke too soon, looks like they have added an option |
| 21:10.06 | prpplague | landley: let me test it |
| 21:10.20 | landley | Coolness. |
| 21:11.04 | RobotGuy | Dave? Dave's not here.. :D |
| 21:11.23 | RobotGuy | hides |
| 21:13.23 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, you better hide |
| 21:13.37 | prpplague | landley: hmm, doesn't appear to be totally functional or else i don't understand the syntax |
| 21:13.43 | prpplague | landley: give me few to look |
| 21:14.46 | landley | No rush. |
| 21:16.31 | landley | mojo.handhelds.org is essentially the whole of Ubuntu ported to arm. |
| 21:16.35 | landley | I find this cool. |
| 21:16.46 | landley | (Watching the guy from Nokia who did it give a talk about it.) |
| 21:17.06 | prpplague | landley: cool |
| 21:17.25 | prpplague | landley: still going to the jtag session? |
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| 21:19.56 | landley | prpplague: hope so. |
| 21:22.56 | RobotGuy | landley: Interesting. How much space? I can get up to 16 GB Thumb Drives. Muahahaha |
| 21:25.24 | CosmicPenguin | heh - handhelds got into a tiff with every other distro they supported so they had to end up with ubuntu |
| 21:31.53 | landley | RobotGuy: I think they're using 8gb thumb drives in a nokia 800. |
| 21:32.19 | landley | CosmicPenguin: dunno the details. This guy is a nokia guy not directly affiliated with handhelds, from what I understand. |
| 21:32.22 | RobotGuy | landley: Ooooooooh, I can get 8GB for around $45.00 or so. |
| 21:32.23 | landley | They're just hosting it... |
| 21:32.37 | landley | He demoed it with 2g, but that wasn't a full install. Just The Gimp. |
| 21:33.11 | RobotGuy | landley: I will be happy if I can get hammer to run from my 2GB thumb drive for starters. |
| 21:34.18 | RobotGuy | Now if I could just figure out what to put for memory mapping in a .ocd file for an LPC2148, it would be cool. |
| 21:34.56 | RobotGuy | wanders off to try and get an S3C2440 datasheet from Samsung again. |
| 21:36.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: whatcha need a 2440 datasheet for? |
| 21:36.43 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I need something to drool on. :P |
| 21:37.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I want to look because I like Samsung ARM9. |
| 21:37.39 | RobotGuy | wonders if prpplague believes him |
| 21:46.11 | landley | Had lunch with the CEO of Neuros, who tried to convince me TI is allowing people to buy components from them in smaller lots (down to single unit volume)... |
| 21:46.18 | landley | Apparently some new program... |
| 21:47.17 | RobotGuy | I never thought I would find a website worse than Renesas has, but I have. |
| 21:50.29 | RobotGuy | All I want is a durn datasheet? Why does Samsung make that so difficult? |
| 21:55.26 | Mirell | http://mirell.org/out-of-order.jpg |
| 21:58.11 | prpplague | landley: did you actually get a name of the program |
| 21:58.26 | prpplague | landley: because we regularly get turned down on stuff in qty of 5k |
| 21:59.20 | prpplague | Mirell: that your desk? |
| 22:00.09 | landley | I'll ping him. |
| 22:00.39 | landley | Except I left his card in my hotel room. Have to ping him tonight/tomorrow. :) |
| 22:01.26 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: http://www.arisystem.co.kr/bbs/data/Ari_pds/S3C2440.pdf |
| 22:01.53 | RobotGuy | Thanks! |
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| 22:04.13 | Mirell | prpplague: Yep |
| 22:05.17 | prpplague | Mirell: imho a 404 error is probably more appropriate |
| 22:05.50 | Mirell | Hahahaha |
| 22:08.22 | landley | gotta log out... |
| 22:14.05 | Mirell | prpplague: http://mirell.org/404.jpg |
| 22:14.34 | prpplague | much better |
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| 22:22.00 | prpplague | Sienna: greetings |
| 22:23.13 | Sienna | hello prpplague |
| 22:23.28 | Sienna | in the future, if I post something wrong on the wiki, email me ;P |
| 22:23.45 | prpplague | Sienna: hehe, i didn't have your email handy, hehe |
| 22:24.36 | Sienna | i spent the whole weekend last weekend looking at level shifters for the RDP *desk* |
| 22:26.00 | Sienna | haven't gotten around though to seeing if they are in Eagle or not though (most of the ones I was looking at happen to be Maxim, i assume though that all of the major chip makers have dual voltage translators that don't need a direction pin) |
| 22:27.10 | prpplague | Sienna: you are welcome to reference maxim parts, however the likelyhood of actually using maxim in the final product is almost as good as a aliens stoping by your house and giving you a million dollar lottery ticket |
| 22:27.37 | Sienna | if you have a better recomendation! |
| 22:28.22 | Sienna | dual VL/VCC power supplies, VL<=VCC, bidirectional without need of direction pin, I am all ears |
| 22:29.40 | prpplague | Sienna: no recomendation at the momment, however as an OEM maxim is next to impossible to deal with |
| 22:29.54 | prpplague | Sienna: if you are ordering more than 10 or 15 of their parts, it's hopeless |
| 22:30.01 | Sienna | wonderful |
| 22:30.26 | Sienna | yeah, i did notice none of these wonderful chips seemed to come up on digikey in qtys less then 2500 |
| 22:32.16 | Sienna | what vendors are on the approved products list, if any? |
| 22:32.39 | prpplague | Sienna: if you can pull up the part on mouser or digikey we can get it in bulk |
| 22:33.05 | prpplague | Sienna: what kind of level shifter are you looking for? |
| 22:35.06 | prpplague | has to head home |
| 22:35.08 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:35.13 | Sienna | later.... |
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| 22:51.15 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Greetings Geekette! |
| 22:51.57 | landley | Hmmm, should I give the third nail sample to solar? Or Matt Mackall? |
| 22:52.11 | Sienna | Hey landley, RobotGuy |
| 22:52.21 | Sienna | who and who? |
| 22:52.38 | CosmicPenguin | Is matt still running that test setup for CELF? |
| 22:52.44 | Sienna | Oh, landley, prp says your description of the JTAG was wrong :( |
| 22:52.55 | landley | Sienna: solar@gentoo.org, the maintainer of gentoo embedded. |
| 22:52.59 | landley | Sienna: quite possibly. |
| 22:53.10 | CosmicPenguin | or was that somebody else? |
| 22:53.13 | CosmicPenguin | I get confused easily |
| 22:53.21 | RobotGuy | landley: Who are they? |
| 22:53.46 | landley | Matt Mackall did linux-tiny, wrote mercurial, wrote bloat-o-meter and bloatwatch... |
| 22:54.06 | RobotGuy | I vote for Solar |
| 22:54.18 | landley | http://www.selenic.com/bloatwatch/ |
| 22:55.31 | Sienna | RobotGuy, cause I am curious, what level translaters were you looking at |
| 22:56.11 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I will have to see if I can find it in the log. I lost my tabs before I could bookmark the page it was on. |
| 22:57.12 | Sienna | if you can't, don't worry... I think I found two TI parts that will work |
| 23:00.50 | RobotGuy | Sienna: It's run off the end of my log, sorry. I thought I wrote it down but that was for something else. |
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| 23:01.24 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I need a DIP part I can use for breadboarding. Somebody had found it but now I can't remember. :( |
| 23:01.55 | RobotGuy | It was an 8 pin DIP though, perfect for what I need. I think it was an I2C level translator. |
| 23:02.42 | RobotGuy | It was found at DigiKey |
| 23:02.44 | Sienna | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/txs0104e.pdf <- what I am looking at for I2C |
| 23:08.49 | Dr{Who} | does anyone have gdb functioning on the hammer? |
| 23:09.53 | landley | attending a panel on using jtag for driver development. |
| 23:10.01 | landley | Sitting next to solar@gentoo, by the way. :) |
| 23:10.07 | Dr{Who} | sweet. |
| 23:11.27 | Dr{Who} | its one of the time we wish osmosis of brains worked : c ) |
| 23:17.16 | RobotGuy | Which manufacturer has parts that start with P? |
| 23:17.33 | RobotGuy | landley: Tell them I love Gentoo! :D |
| 23:19.15 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Yep, that would work for sure, and it would nicely handle in/out I2C ports. |
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| 23:21.15 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I decided I want to build a very small robot, wheeled or tracked. |
| 23:23.17 | Sienna | um, ok :P |
| 23:23.21 | Sienna | go for it! |
| 23:32.50 | Sienna | *sighs* The eagle library is so incomplete |
| 23:36.57 | roxfan | anyone here familiar with urjtag and pxa targets? |
| 23:41.51 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Are you good at making Eagle parts? |
| 23:43.02 | Sienna | I have made two so far |
| 23:43.14 | Sienna | just linux is where eagle is and I am in windows atm |
| 23:47.42 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I can't handle the parts editor or I would probably be doing a lot with Eagle. |
| 23:47.59 | RobotGuy | The parts I need (common ones too) are not usually there, |
| 23:48.39 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I already have the brain board for a real small robot. :) |
| 23:48.49 | Sienna | what is that? |
| 23:49.39 | RobotGuy | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=676 |
| 23:49.44 | Sienna | Oh, and I will accept nothing less then Walter having a ramp for the RSR to be able to roll off and on :P |
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