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| 00:08.27 | landley | There's apparently no website collecting openocd jtag config files for various boards. |
| 00:08.33 | landley | I hath poked Tim Bird about this. |
| 00:11.41 | Mirell | Heh |
| 00:13.21 | landley | Learning about dram refresh rates. Woo. |
| 00:15.48 | RobotGuy | RSR? |
| 00:16.09 | RobotGuy | Sienna: What is the RSR? |
| 00:16.31 | RobotGuy | W.A.L.T.E.R. is big enough, he could probably care a smaller robot. |
| 00:17.13 | Sienna | RSR = Really Small Robot\ |
| 00:17.44 | RobotGuy | landley: That is a shame. It would be nice to have a repository for that sort of thing, like I am looking for the lpc2148 |
| 00:18.01 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Ahhh, my really small robot. Hmmmm, interesting idea. |
| 00:19.18 | RobotGuy | I wish I could find that DIP level translator chip. |
| 00:19.51 | RobotGuy | landley: I am not sure what data to translate into my programming .ocd file for the lpc2148 |
| 00:20.11 | landley | RobotGuy: apparently you can find 'em with google. |
| 00:20.17 | landley | They're online, they're just not _collected_. |
| 00:20.21 | RobotGuy | Hmmmmm |
| 00:20.37 | RobotGuy | Maybe I will start collecting them then, as I find them. |
| 00:20.54 | RobotGuy | (or others find them and give them to me) :D |
| 00:21.31 | RobotGuy | Oh, I got the Xilinx FPGA package installed on Linux. :D |
| 00:21.52 | RobotGuy | Xilinx has a $49.00 CPLD kit. |
| 00:23.35 | Mirell | Hmm... |
| 00:27.47 | Dr{Who} | grr.. 6.2.1also does not work. |
| 00:28.27 | Dr{Who} | at least it gives me an error. Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. |
| 00:29.24 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: What are you working on? |
| 00:29.53 | Dr{Who} | getting gdb to work. |
| 00:30.02 | Dr{Who} | so i can debug |
| 00:30.05 | RobotGuy | Oooooooooooh, sounds like fun. |
| 00:30.14 | Dr{Who} | ya should just work... |
| 00:30.31 | RobotGuy | I nailed my hammer board today. :( :( |
| 00:30.34 | Dr{Who} | im sure its a libc issue of some sort.. |
| 00:30.39 | RobotGuy | Well, actually yesterday afternoon. |
| 00:30.45 | Dr{Who} | nailed? |
| 00:30.58 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: As in it's kaput. |
| 00:31.16 | Dr{Who} | : ( |
| 00:31.40 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Yeah, and I am just starting to get to the really fun stuff too. |
| 00:31.51 | Dr{Who} | any ideas what happened? |
| 00:32.06 | RobotGuy | I made a really large software image (about 90 MB) and put it on my 2 GB thumb drive |
| 00:33.07 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: I'm not entirely sure what happened to it, but I did have to solder a jumper wire from RXD0 to the prototype area (twice) after I broke that pin a couple weeks ago. I could have weakend the LDO or other components with heat. |
| 00:33.19 | RobotGuy | Even though I was real careful. |
| 00:33.51 | Dr{Who} | ok so no carrier just the board |
| 00:34.15 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Yes, I think it's 'just' the hammer, the most expensive part. |
| 00:35.04 | RobotGuy | I now have the distinction of having the first hammer outside TCT to fail. |
| 00:35.27 | Dr{Who} | Q. so the rxdo was not exposed on the dev board and you needed to expose it directly. |
| 00:35.59 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Yes, well RXD0 and TXD0 is the console port, so I had to have it active. |
| 00:36.32 | RobotGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.45 | Dr{Who} | seems reasonable.. i have not looked that deep at the layout to see how much fun that was.. i presume it was not .. |
| 00:37.11 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: It was very nerve wracking to do, and I did it twice. |
| 00:37.55 | Dr{Who} | hmm my dev board seems to have a '''via''' for rxdo |
| 00:39.42 | RobotGuy | It should connect right to the prototype area |
| 00:40.10 | Dr{Who} | i see rxdo on the proto area. is it not connected to the hammer? |
| 00:41.06 | Sienna | you might check all the tiny little components on the underside are still soldered in as well (get a magnifying glas...) |
| 00:41.40 | Dr{Who} | if you want robot you can bring it to my lab. i have my scope setup and we can try to get it to fire. |
| 00:48.22 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: TCT is replacing it and they want this one back so they can see what failed. |
| 00:48.57 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I could not see any tiny solder bridges, but they can be extremely hard to see even with a magnafier. |
| 00:49.23 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Yes, RXD0 on proto is connected to Hammer. Otherwise you could not console to it. |
| 00:49.27 | Dr{Who} | k |
| 00:50.24 | RobotGuy | landley: I think I found the config I need for the lpc2148. |
| 00:51.25 | Dr{Who} | robot.. again q.. the via's on the proto board they are attached to the hammer right? |
| 00:51.44 | RobotGuy | With luck, I should be able to program my two lpc2148 boards (Olimex Header and Proto) now. |
| 00:52.30 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: If you mean that stript of labeled pads at the start of the proto area, yes, they are connected to hammer. |
| 00:53.15 | Dr{Who} | k |
| 00:53.18 | RobotGuy | I'm not feeling well right now, so apologies if I am more dense than usual. |
| 00:53.57 | Dr{Who} | no it was my confusion.. |
| 00:54.05 | Dr{Who} | i just didnt understand why the soldering.. |
| 00:54.16 | Dr{Who} | i getting ready to do some work out there and i want to know what not to do : c ) |
| 00:55.44 | Dr{Who} | i just put my rxd0 to my scope on that via.. ya its good out on the proto area i see serial data. |
| 00:55.51 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: Ah, OK. I already have my BT and compass modules connected on the proto area, but have to reconnect power/gnd to them. |
| 00:56.32 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Why are you so quiet? |
| 01:04.24 | Sienna | cause i am off paying attention to other things? |
| 01:08.57 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Ah, see how you are? ;) ;) |
| 01:09.23 | Sienna | normally, I am actually quiet in IRC... |
| 01:09.30 | Sienna | and in most things actually |
| 01:10.00 | RobotGuy | Me too |
| 01:10.35 | RobotGuy | I designed a brand new biped leg style early this morning. |
| 01:15.15 | Sienna | cool |
| 01:15.48 | RobotGuy | It's a triple double joint leg. :D Can you picture it? |
| 01:16.09 | RobotGuy | I actually built the brackets for one leg. |
| 01:17.43 | Sienna | it makes a W i assume? |
| 01:21.24 | Sienna | *sighs* Why must my hobbies cost so farking much |
| 01:23.50 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I guess you could see this leg as a W. It does collapse pretty well for a very low crouch. |
| 01:24.23 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Same here, and I have just one hobby - robotics. I stay pretty broke most of the time. |
| 01:26.18 | Sienna | I want a 100mm macro lens and flash for my camera too :( |
| 01:27.56 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Ah, you are a shutterbug too! I have wanted to get a nice digital camera for quite awhile, like the Nikon P3. |
| 01:28.17 | Sienna | right now i have a rebel xt |
| 01:30.55 | RobotGuy | Nice camera. The P3 also has WiFi/. :) |
| 01:31.35 | RobotGuy | I would like to be able to take decent pictures of my robot building progress. |
| 01:32.41 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 01:32.58 | Sienna | i wanted a SLR, and I liked canons... so way back when i got a rebel, i can deal with no wifi :P |
| 01:33.14 | RobotGuy | Sienna: http://www.elinux.org/JackHammer_Board |
| 01:33.15 | Sienna | you can get good point and shoots now for $100 or so |
| 01:33.36 | RobotGuy | Sienna: True, but I am picky about my picture quality. |
| 01:33.49 | Sienna | what is that... SMP hammer? |
| 01:34.25 | RobotGuy | Sienna: It's an S3C2440 board. Big brother to the S3C2410 on Hammer. |
| 01:34.32 | RobotGuy | (or big sister) |
| 01:35.15 | RobotGuy | I'm trying to get prpplague and TCT to consider using the 2440 for Sledge. |
| 01:35.16 | Sienna | ok... and that means...? |
| 01:35.26 | RobotGuy | Sienna: 405 MHz. |
| 01:35.35 | Sienna | meh |
| 01:35.46 | Sienna | 400mhz not worth wierd edge connector things |
| 01:36.01 | Sienna | at that point the Ts7800 looks better |
| 01:36.10 | Sienna | (at only $270) |
| 01:36.11 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Oh, I agree! Sledge has a total of 80 pins. |
| 01:36.33 | RobotGuy | I really like that TS-7800 board. |
| 01:36.37 | MonMotha | tha doesn't look like a bad connector, really |
| 01:36.45 | MonMotha | you'll need a breakout board, of course |
| 01:36.59 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I was thinking that, but I'd prefer 0.1" spacing. |
| 01:36.59 | MonMotha | but it's large enough pitch that custom carrier boards should be doable on standard design rules |
| 01:37.12 | Sienna | #%(%*)(#$*%()$^*%* I Hate Ebay! D*#M it people, stop cluttering my search with crap! |
| 01:37.14 | MonMotha | well, with that many interconnects, I'm not sure that 0.1" would be feasible |
| 01:37.34 | MonMotha | and once you get away from 0.1", as long as the connector doesn't force me to non-standard design rules, I'm OK |
| 01:37.51 | MonMotha | oh, and the connector has to be buyable from Digi-Key, Mouser, or Arrow in single quantity |
| 01:38.23 | RobotGuy | I just don't want connectors I can't solder easily. I could probably handle a bit smaller than 0.1" spacing, but not much. |
| 01:38.45 | RobotGuy | I do have a 0.4mm tip on my iron. |
| 01:38.48 | MonMotha | oh, that looks readily hand solderable |
| 01:38.59 | MonMotha | small tips are by no means a necessity to solder small pats |
| 01:39.01 | MonMotha | *parts |
| 01:39.09 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: They are for me. :D |
| 01:39.20 | MonMotha | smaller tips can in fact make things hard since you have less area over which to transfer heat |
| 01:39.31 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: That is true sometimes. |
| 01:40.20 | RobotGuy | The connectors I want to avoid having to solder are the ones Gumstix and Virtual COGs use. |
| 01:40.25 | Dr{Who} | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2844504302.html neet |
| 01:40.57 | MonMotha | anything 1mm pitch or higher is solderable for me |
| 01:41.25 | MonMotha | 0.65mm or higher is doable for devices, but connectors tend to be harder at that pitch due to mechanical reliability constraints and protrusions getting in the way |
| 01:41.53 | MonMotha | 0.5mm for me is tough, but doable for QFPs given sufficient time and possibly a couple extra parts in case I have to give up and start over |
| 01:42.13 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I bet you could almost squeeze a Hammer into that form factor. |
| 01:42.14 | MonMotha | <0.5mm pitch I cannot do, nor can I do 0.5mm leadless parts |
| 01:42.34 | MonMotha | well, we have a project at work that people on here will likely be VERY interested in if we manage to find time to do it |
| 01:42.45 | MonMotha | without a direct client, it's hard to find time for things, sadly |
| 01:42.54 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I would like to be able to do SOIC and TSSOP style packages. |
| 01:43.35 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Anything you can tell about it? Would it be usable for robotics applications? |
| 01:43.43 | MonMotha | it might |
| 01:43.50 | MonMotha | I don't know what I can and cannot say at this point |
| 01:44.01 | Sienna | i am wondering how to solder a .5mm pitch 100pin TQFP |
| 01:44.11 | MonMotha | Sienna: flux, drag solder, clean up bridges |
| 01:44.17 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Better to say nothing until you know then. |
| 01:44.20 | Sienna | (eventually I want to use one of the big atmels, and thats what they are) |
| 01:44.25 | MonMotha | designing the board correctly helps a LOT |
| 01:44.46 | MonMotha | ah yes, the SAM7X series. Somebody at work attempted to solder those. He's 50% so far. I haven't tried |
| 01:44.54 | MonMotha | RobotGuy: exactly |
| 01:45.43 | RobotGuy | I am extremely jazzed about the Hammer-RDP. Can hardly wait to get my hands on one. |
| 01:45.55 | MonMotha | heh, I design stuff like this all the time, so it's a bit less "neat" for me |
| 01:46.06 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I'm gonna have a Linux powered BRAT. |
| 01:46.09 | MonMotha | I've got like 4 or 5 SAM9263 boards sitting at work on a bench |
| 01:46.27 | MonMotha | 64MB SDRAM, 256MB or 1GB (depending on what got soldered down) flash |
| 01:46.38 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I can designe, but don't have access to the spiffy software I'd like to use. |
| 01:47.08 | RobotGuy | It took me a year to get my Alibre Desgn Expert paid for. |
| 01:47.14 | MonMotha | you can do surprising things with Eagle CAD, but once you get above about 6 layers (just as a general measure of complexity), the features of the more advanced CAD packages become very nice |
| 01:47.26 | MonMotha | I use Altium Designer at work. I like it. |
| 01:47.35 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I have difficulty with Eagle Cad. |
| 01:47.41 | MonMotha | we don't have the FPGA/SoC integration modules at this time, though |
| 01:48.00 | RobotGuy | I'd REALLY like to have EasyPCB with all the libraries. www.numberone.com |
| 01:48.02 | MonMotha | well, Eagle is a very barebones program |
| 01:49.08 | RobotGuy | I know. |
| 01:49.20 | MonMotha | I went from OrCAD to Designer and was just wowed |
| 01:49.35 | RobotGuy | I just installed the free Xilix tools on my Linux setup. |
| 01:50.07 | MonMotha | ISE is not bad, actually |
| 01:50.13 | Sienna | personally? I would prefer to stay out of board design myself |
| 01:50.15 | MonMotha | I just wish I could dump gvim in as my text editor (maybe I can) |
| 01:50.31 | Sienna | give me a 3D editor (Inventor prefered) and i will be happy doing mechanincs |
| 01:50.32 | MonMotha | Sienna: and that's fine. The world needs software people, too, just like ditch diggers |
| 01:50.39 | MonMotha | *huge grin* |
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| 01:51.10 | Sienna | software? I don't do much of that :P |
| 01:51.13 | MonMotha | So, an ME walks into a bar and is closely followed by a EE. The EE ducks. |
| 01:51.19 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I have my Alibre Design Expert. :D I still want a good Schematic Capture/PCB packge though. |
| 01:51.29 | MonMotha | sorry, I've got tons of these types of things left over from school |
| 01:51.45 | MonMotha | we were big fans of the "engineer/scientist/mathematician" jokes |
| 01:51.52 | Sienna | i graduated CS, but haven't done CS since school |
| 01:52.11 | Sienna | And RobotGuy, i know you swear by your alibre.... |
| 01:52.12 | MonMotha | RobotGuy: what's your budget? |
| 01:52.18 | RobotGuy | I never got a degree, although I would have liked to have. |
| 01:52.29 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Occasionaly I swear at it too. ;) |
| 01:52.49 | Sienna | which is why i liked inventor for the time that i had it |
| 01:52.56 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Nothing at present, unfortunatly. EasyPC is about all I could go for and would have to save for that. |
| 01:53.16 | Sienna | i just can't afford a $8000 package with $2000 yearly maintenance atm |
| 01:53.53 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Me either! Alibre Design Expert is about $1995.00 complete and yearly maintenance is only $295. |
| 01:53.54 | MonMotha | Designer at least does not require maintenance |
| 01:54.21 | MonMotha | they really don't care if you buy it or not, though you don't get the new features (just bugfixes for showstoppers) without the maintenance |
| 01:54.38 | Sienna | RobotGuy, i won't be buying alibre... not for the forseable future. It is truly an apples to oranges with inventor |
| 01:54.51 | Sienna | MonMotha, yeah, same here |
| 01:54.52 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I know. I have to start paying maintenance this September. |
| 01:55.03 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Whatever works for you best is what you should be using. :D |
| 01:55.14 | MonMotha | I remember seeing at least some part of the Xilinx stuff had "required" maintenance |
| 01:55.27 | MonMotha | as in your "license" to use the software terminated if you didn't have an active maintenance agreement |
| 01:55.31 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: That's the big paid ISE package. |
| 01:55.37 | MonMotha | now, that wasn't enforced technically |
| 01:55.44 | MonMotha | thought so |
| 01:55.49 | MonMotha | I don't think it applies to EDK |
| 01:55.56 | RobotGuy | No, not to WebPack. |
| 01:55.56 | MonMotha | (EDK is 90% GPL software anyway) |
| 01:56.02 | MonMotha | EDK != Webpack |
| 01:56.17 | RobotGuy | Is EDK better? |
| 01:56.24 | MonMotha | EDK serves a separate function |
| 01:56.34 | MonMotha | EDK is what handles the embedded processors on the Virtex series devices |
| 01:56.58 | MonMotha | if it weren't for the fact that ISE won't let you instantiate the processor without EDK, you wouldn't really need it (though it makes things MUCH easier) |
| 01:57.13 | MonMotha | all the actual software stuff is GPL (it's just gcc and friends) |
| 01:57.19 | RobotGuy | The thing I hate is a project like OpenSparc gives away all the sources to the processor and such, but requires an expensive paid package to synthesize it. |
| 01:57.40 | MonMotha | if they give away all the sources, you should be able to synth it on any FPGA |
| 01:57.53 | MonMotha | unless they use some "isms" specific to their one package |
| 01:57.57 | MonMotha | which should be readily fixed |
| 01:58.06 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I would think so too, but they claim it requires Synopsys software. |
| 01:58.32 | MonMotha | I'm guessing they just use some Synopsys specific features. Kinda like how Linux is C, but uses gcc specific features. |
| 01:58.59 | MonMotha | it would probably be possible (though it may or may not be worthwhile) to make it synth with, e.g. the ISE sythesizer |
| 01:59.00 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: That could be, but for a supposedly Open Source project, this makes no sense. |
| 01:59.15 | MonMotha | there's lots of open source projects out there that require commercial tools |
| 01:59.30 | MonMotha | several maintenance projects for old, now open-source game engines need Watcom |
| 01:59.42 | MonMotha | to the point that people have begun projects to clone the Watcom C compiler! |
| 01:59.45 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of Open Source? |
| 01:59.51 | MonMotha | not necessarily |
| 02:00.14 | MonMotha | it may go against the whole "Free Software" philosophy, but the source is open and freely redistributable and modifyable |
| 02:00.19 | MonMotha | you could always write your own tools |
| 02:00.37 | RobotGuy | dreams of a Super SledgeHammer connected to an FPGA |
| 02:00.39 | MonMotha | (I've been wishing people would make a good OSS Verilog synthesizer for some of the common SPLDs for ages now) |
| 02:01.23 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: There are a few out there, but I am not sure they could be called good yet. |
| 02:02.11 | RobotGuy | I don't know much about FPGAs though - just enough to know which ones I want to use and which I want to stay away from. |
| 02:02.30 | RobotGuy | I've gone through the Xilinx tutorial. |
| 02:02.32 | MonMotha | well, targeting FPGAs requires more knowledge about the FPGA than many makers make available |
| 02:02.39 | MonMotha | however, the SPLDs are reasonably standard |
| 02:02.44 | MonMotha | the GAL line, for example |
| 02:02.50 | RobotGuy | What does SPLD mean? |
| 02:02.58 | MonMotha | "simple programmable logic device" |
| 02:03.10 | RobotGuy | Ah, OK, as opposed to CPLD being Complex. |
| 02:03.14 | MonMotha | yes |
| 02:03.32 | MonMotha | PAL, GAL, etc. |
| 02:03.41 | RobotGuy | A GAL PAL? |
| 02:03.46 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 02:03.52 | MonMotha | I also wouldn't be surprised if people could pull off the simple vendor proprietary ones like the 9500 series from Xilinx |
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| 02:04.51 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I would probably stay with the Spartan 3 line, mostely 3E. and CPLDs, but it would be cool to eventually work with a Vertix5 also. |
| 02:05.16 | MonMotha | I have a Virtex 2 Pro board, it's huge |
| 02:05.19 | MonMotha | the FPGA, that is |
| 02:05.33 | RobotGuy | I love OpenCores.org - much can be learned there. |
| 02:05.36 | MonMotha | I dumped a simple video output onto it and took up 0% of the device |
| 02:05.43 | MonMotha | yes, it rounded down to 0% |
| 02:05.47 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: I really want the Spartan 3E/Microblaze kit. |
| 02:06.50 | RobotGuy | MonMotha: Have you seen the XESS and KNJN boards? |
| 02:07.07 | MonMotha | no |
| 02:07.17 | RobotGuy | www.xess.com and www.knjn.com |
| 02:10.25 | RobotGuy | I would love to build my own digtital test instrument one day. |
| 02:10.35 | MonMotha | some are actually quite easy |
| 02:10.37 | MonMotha | like frequency counters |
| 02:10.51 | RobotGuy | KNJN has a project to build a digital OScope. |
| 02:11.20 | RobotGuy | I'd rather use better resolution ADCs though. |
| 02:11.28 | MonMotha | that's a little harder, though it depends on how precise you want the timing |
| 02:11.59 | RobotGuy | Well, I'd be dealing with stuff like I2C, SPI, etc. |
| 02:12.46 | RobotGuy | I'd rather build it and learn a lot than buy one. |
| 02:15.03 | RobotGuy | That's what I've been doing with robotics. :D |
| 02:15.37 | RobotGuy | Sienna: Any chance you're coming to the Linux Plumber's Conference in Sept? |
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| 02:27.13 | ds2 | hmmmm |
| 02:31.16 | Sienna | attend a linux conference? Not likely :P |
| 02:31.30 | Sienna | attend dragoncon, maytbe |
| 02:32.14 | ds2 | linux conferences are fun! |
| 02:32.31 | ds2 | walk out with everything penguin ;) |
| 02:32.49 | Sienna | im just not as much a linux person as you all are |
| 02:33.00 | Sienna | when i get home, i honestly want an appliance |
| 02:33.09 | ds2 | <-- makes linux appliances |
| 02:33.54 | Sienna | i get so much information overload at work, i like to veg at home :D |
| 02:34.01 | ds2 | what do you ? |
| 02:34.21 | Sienna | mostly, integrate |
| 02:34.33 | Sienna | but i have been forced into networking for the past year |
| 02:34.35 | Sienna | i hate it |
| 02:35.08 | ds2 | networking as in LAN/router/etc? |
| 02:35.16 | Sienna | and to the rest of the company, ethernet is the equivalent of black magic, so when something goes wrong, guess who gets called? |
| 02:35.18 | Sienna | yes |
| 02:35.39 | ds2 | that could be fun |
| 02:36.17 | Sienna | not to me... |
| 02:36.21 | ds2 | use linux for it and it'll just work :) |
| 02:36.33 | Sienna | oh, don't get me started! |
| 02:36.43 | Sienna | they understand linux less |
| 02:37.07 | ds2 | heh... it is nice to be the only linux person |
| 02:37.11 | Sienna | and then there are other requirements that make easy things complicated! |
| 02:37.28 | Sienna | nice? i have to explain to people how to find a file |
| 02:37.42 | Sienna | or what 'man' is |
| 02:37.46 | ds2 | charge them for it ;) |
| 02:38.03 | Sienna | and try to take X11 away,and all of the wizbang gui configs, and they are lost |
| 02:38.17 | RobotGuy | She likes to veg, so she designs and builds cool robots.. :D:D |
| 02:38.20 | Sienna | it all goes to the same charge account |
| 02:38.28 | ds2 | lost is good. loss == controllable }:-) |
| 02:38.38 | Sienna | or gets into fights on the trossen forums :P |
| 02:38.42 | ds2 | RobotGuy: do you do robotwars? |
| 02:39.34 | RobotGuy | ds2: No competitions at present. I'm interested in maze solving and RoboMagellan types of events though. Problem solving types of things. |
| 02:39.45 | RobotGuy | I can't afford to lose a robot in a battle. |
| 02:39.56 | ds2 | oh hehe |
| 02:40.04 | ds2 | get a sponsor |
| 02:40.31 | ds2 | i need to a wireless link for the roomba |
| 02:41.01 | RobotGuy | ds2: No thanks, unless somebody wants to sponsor a robot of mine in a problem solving type of event. I am very interested in AI, AI languages, behavior based robotics, and such. |
| 02:41.29 | RobotGuy | As soon as I get a new WiFi router, W.A.L.T.E.R.'s "brain" will be online. |
| 02:42.03 | ds2 | just use a desktop PC to route |
| 02:42.48 | RobotGuy | ds2: Can't afford to dedicate a desktop to that, even though my server is online 24/7. It's already screaming under the load I put it under. |
| 02:43.00 | RobotGuy | I am on a low fixed income. |
| 02:44.53 | ds2 | routing shouldn't cause that much of a load |
| 02:46.12 | RobotGuy | I now have a purpose for one of my ARM7 boards. Maybe I can turn it into a router. |
| 02:46.39 | RobotGuy | I am not sure that would work though. |
| 02:46.48 | ds2 | what arm7 board? |
| 02:46.54 | RobotGuy | lpc2148 based |
| 02:47.34 | RobotGuy | I've built FreeRTOS 4.7 with uIP for it. |
| 02:48.51 | ds2 | ah one of those |
| 02:49.59 | Sienna | Ok, nighty night my boys, its off to bed for me |
| 02:55.06 | RobotGuy | Night night |
| 02:55.30 | RobotGuy | One of those? |
| 02:55.33 | RobotGuy | smirks |
| 03:04.03 | RobotGuy | Well, I'm off to get something to eat and fiddle with ARM7 stuff. |
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| 13:15.05 | prpplague | sjhill: greetings |
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| 13:18.07 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 13:18.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: greetings |
| 13:21.08 | prpplague | grabs 2.6.25 |
| 14:11.27 | prpplague | weeeee, lcd is finally up |
| 14:13.30 | chouimat|work | looks away while prpplague dances |
| 14:13.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:17.20 | sjhill | hey prpplague |
| 14:17.31 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cookin? |
| 14:17.55 | sjhill | releases, new designs, etc. |
| 14:18.14 | sjhill | prpplague: sounds like you're bringing up new hardware |
| 14:18.28 | prpplague | sjhill: yea |
| 14:18.33 | prpplague | sjhill: s3c2440 based design |
| 14:18.45 | prpplague | sjhill: not too happy about the hardware, poor design |
| 14:18.55 | sjhill | this is for work i take? |
| 14:20.38 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:20.53 | prpplague | sjhill: new industrial pda stuff |
| 14:21.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: sound interesting :) |
| 14:21.24 | chouimat|work | looks at the 2 Orion SOC based device on his desk |
| 14:22.16 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i have seen alot of orion patches and posts on lak lately |
| 14:22.53 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I doubt they support this device ... I'm stuck with 2.6.12.6-arm1 |
| 14:23.05 | prpplague | wow |
| 14:23.36 | prpplague | never thought i'd see the day when i was booting a kernel version the same day it was released |
| 14:23.58 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and the tree we are using is ugly ... I might just for the fun of it try to make 2.6.25 working on it (but not at work) |
| 14:30.35 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 14:30.44 | prpplague | chouimat|work: atleast you aren't using a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:30.59 | prpplague | where is cosmic when you need him |
| 14:31.05 | chouimat|work | true ... I hate the kernel on my greenphone |
| 14:31.16 | prpplague | he'd have something interesting to say about me using a just released kernel |
| 14:31.52 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i've just about totally isolated myself from userland stuff these days, and its just kernel work |
| 14:32.03 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i find it much more fun and challenging |
| 14:32.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: my job is 50/50 I'm working on the infrastructure of the product ... which is nice because I'm not a good php/flex/flah coder :) |
| 14:33.08 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:33.51 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and for the last 4 days I'm writing automation scripts for the build procedure ... and it's boring |
| 14:35.05 | prpplague | chouimat|work: lovely, the kind of work you really look forward to 5:30 and heading to the pub |
| 14:35.28 | chouimat|work | s/5:30/4:45 =) |
| 14:36.10 | prpplague | chouimat|work: jeeze how do you swing that? |
| 14:37.38 | chouimat|work | prpplague: 9 to 5 (30 minutes for lunch) but we have flexible hours and it's mandatory to be there from 10 to 12 and 2 to 4 ... |
| 14:38.52 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:39.09 | prpplague | chouimat|work: we are 8:30 to 5:30 with 1 hour lunch |
| 14:39.35 | chouimat|work | prpplague: so if get in at 8am you can leave ealier ... and if you take more time for lunch you leave later |
| 14:39.44 | prpplague | chouimat|work: ahh |
| 14:39.55 | prpplague | chouimat|work: they aren't as flexible here |
| 14:40.27 | prpplague | chouimat|work: they close the office at 6 |
| 14:40.33 | chouimat|work | prpplague: it's a 37.5 week so you need to do them anyway (and they won't check much ... if it seems you're doing them it's ok) |
| 14:40.51 | prpplague | 37.5 eh? |
| 14:40.57 | prpplague | is the ca standard? |
| 14:41.02 | prpplague | s/the/that |
| 14:41.55 | chouimat|work | prpplague: depend where. most of them use 37.5, some use 35. at my father compani the customer service was 37.5 and the technical service was on a 40h week |
| 14:42.21 | chouimat|work | prpplague: some are on a 48h week ... mostly low paid jobs |
| 14:44.01 | prpplague | wow thats interesting |
| 14:44.17 | prpplague | chouimat|work: you guys get alot more holiday time don't you? |
| 14:44.41 | prpplague | chouimat|work: alot more than US employees i mean |
| 14:44.59 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I have 3 weeks |
| 14:45.22 | prpplague | chouimat: three really weeks? like 21 paid days? |
| 14:45.42 | chouimat|work | prpplague: + 9 or 10 statutory holidays ... no it's 15 paid days |
| 14:45.55 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:46.39 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and if the boss is feeling generous: good friday and easter monday. and the week between xmas and new year day |
| 14:47.00 | chouimat|work | we normaly just have good friday or easter monday (depend on the province) |
| 14:47.10 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:47.37 | prpplague | yea AML is pretty good about national and *cough* christian holidays |
| 14:48.17 | chouimat|work | prpplague: you can try to have "Maximum Occupency Day" ;) |
| 14:48.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:49.23 | prpplague | chouimat|work: i tried for "single mom working as a nudie bar dancer day", but they didn't go for that one |
| 14:51.02 | chouimat|work | prpplague: ouch ... sorry was trying to find a socket that work under my desk ... |
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| 14:58.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there you are |
| 14:58.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you missed a really good chance to haras me |
| 14:59.12 | CosmicPenguin | anytime is a great time for that |
| 14:59.47 | prpplague | <prpplague> wow |
| 14:59.47 | prpplague | <prpplague> never thought i'd see the day when i was booting a kernel version the same day it was released |
| 15:00.17 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:00.48 | CosmicPenguin | 2.6.26 will be the kernel of OLPC |
| 15:00.51 | CosmicPenguin | all the patches will be there |
| 15:03.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, i'm hope'n that the core tct hammer patches will get accepted |
| 15:03.47 | CosmicPenguin | where are they? in -mm? |
| 15:03.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: 2.6.25 has the enc28j60 driver i did |
| 15:04.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: languishing in the LAK patch subsystem |
| 15:04.11 | CosmicPenguin | ugh |
| 15:04.33 | CosmicPenguin | I'm sorry to say - if they aren't queued by now, your chances are not great.. :( |
| 15:05.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, thats what i hate about the "system" , you have no clue whats going on |
| 15:05.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was told as long as i had patches submitted but rc8, it would be in 2.6.26 |
| 15:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | huh - okay |
| 15:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | I know nothing of the LAK stuff |
| 15:07.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is that not correct? |
| 15:07.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=4963/1 |
| 15:07.21 | CosmicPenguin | I my world, if its not living in a GIT tree by the last RC, its not going in |
| 15:08.16 | prpplague | again, thats what i hate about the current condition of patch submission |
| 15:10.14 | prpplague | decides to tempt fate and post a message on lak |
| 15:13.45 | CosmicPenguin | I would wait until the arm stuff is pushed |
| 15:13.52 | CosmicPenguin | if you aren't in that, then email |
| 15:14.21 | prpplague | like i said, they don't have any posted info as to what goes where and when |
| 15:14.34 | prpplague | so i'm just gonna post to LAK |
| 15:14.39 | prpplague | f'n |
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| 15:17.20 | RobotGuy | Greetings, Salutations, and Hallucinations! |
| 15:20.14 | prpplague | hello |
| 15:23.23 | RobotGuy | I can't use Flyswatter for my ARM7 boards. :( The JTAG connector is different. :( |
| 15:26.36 | RobotGuy | I'm switching to Windows. :( Got to program some PICs/dsPICs. |
| 15:27.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if this patch doesn't go thru, someone else will have to submit it |
| 15:28.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there an easy way to turn off console blanking from kernel args? |
| 15:29.38 | CosmicPenguin | Not from kernel args |
| 15:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | you can do it from userspace, but I forget which utility does that |
| 15:29.49 | CosmicPenguin | its an ioctl() |
| 15:31.16 | prpplague | yea, i can just use setleds |
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| 15:32.07 | RobotGuy | returns |
| 15:34.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: there is no reason you can;'t use the flyswatter with any arm7 device |
| 15:35.56 | RobotGuy | prpplague: The connector on my ARM7 boards is a 2x10, Flyswatter has a 2x7. |
| 15:36.29 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so? just do a 2x10 adapter |
| 15:36.29 | ds2 | you can make an adapter |
| 15:37.42 | ds2 | they ought to make ezOMAP3 (a la ez430) |
| 15:37.51 | RobotGuy | ds2: No. I don't have the connectors and cable to do that. I am always missing some critical component. :( |
| 15:38.47 | ds2 | robotguy: vise + ribbon cable+idc connector |
| 15:39.04 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hmm, you don't have any female .1" headers? |
| 15:40.09 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Actually, I have both female and male headers. Hmm |
| 15:40.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: then you have what you need |
| 15:40.34 | RobotGuy | I'll dink around with it later. Have to do PICs right now. |
| 15:46.02 | chouimat|work | I hate perls |
| 15:46.07 | chouimat|work | errr perl |
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| 15:49.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I just have to wire an adapter then, |
| 15:49.26 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:52.47 | ds2 | are there 2 sizes of OLPCs? |
| 15:54.04 | prpplague | small and smaller |
| 15:55.01 | ds2 | the one amd is showing seems smaller then the ones i have seen before |
| 15:55.38 | CosmicPenguin | We're showing one? |
| 15:56.00 | CosmicPenguin | Is it a real OLPC? Pop the battery off and check.. :) |
| 15:56.09 | ds2 | yeah w/the rueon (sp), pepper pad, etc. |
| 15:56.38 | ds2 | it has the green case + antenna latch |
| 15:59.12 | RobotGuy | I wouldn't mind having an OLPC if it had a decent keyboard. |
| 15:59.44 | RobotGuy | I could easily carry it around with me. |
| 16:00.02 | ds2 | Too big ;) |
| 16:00.11 | RobotGuy | ds2: What is too big? |
| 16:00.18 | ds2 | OLPC |
| 16:00.40 | RobotGuy | Maybe I am thinking of something different. Link to OLPC? |
| 16:00.46 | prpplague | ~OLPC |
| 16:01.03 | prpplague | interestign |
| 16:01.04 | RobotGuy | The XO, right? |
| 16:01.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 16:01.16 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody here wants an OLPC |
| 16:01.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Those are plenty small then. I |
| 16:01.19 | RobotGuy | ve seen one |
| 16:01.35 | ds2 | pets Purl |
| 16:01.58 | RobotGuy | CosmicPenguin: I'm on a fixed income - I have to pretty much settle for what I can afford. :( |
| 16:02.20 | ds2 | asus or everex |
| 16:02.26 | RobotGuy | $499.00 is the most reasonable laptop I have seen. |
| 16:02.36 | prpplague | eeepc can be had for $300 |
| 16:02.57 | ds2 | 399 for eepc or cloudbook |
| 16:03.01 | RobotGuy | Where does one get them though? It would still take me two months to afford one. |
| 16:04.39 | prpplague | i gave you the url the other day |
| 16:05.31 | ds2 | Geeks.com? |
| 16:05.34 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:05.44 | prpplague | they usually carry the eeepc |
| 16:08.23 | prpplague | weird i had a mconf zombie from yesterday |
| 16:08.49 | RobotGuy | I broke my Wiki and don't know how to fix it. :( |
| 16:35.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sending a nasty gram to rmk seemed to do the trick |
| 16:35.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: shame it has to be that way |
| 16:37.20 | prpplague | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=4963/2 |
| 16:41.22 | ds2 | so hamme is in .26? |
| 16:42.22 | prpplague | ds2: assuming nothing is a problem above rmk, but thats unlikely |
| 16:42.38 | prpplague | ds2: rmk and bjdooks are the major bottlenecks for arm kernel patches |
| 16:42.52 | ds2 | think rmk directly syncs to Linus |
| 16:43.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:43.39 | ds2 | so no one 'above' |
| 16:44.44 | prpplague | ds2: generally no |
| 16:45.17 | prpplague | ds2: plus now that andrew morton has a nail board, maybe some more patches and fixes for the hammer will show up ;) |
| 16:45.34 | ds2 | hahahah |
| 16:45.36 | prpplague | crosses all ten fingers and twelve toes |
| 16:45.49 | ds2 | money well spent |
| 16:47.06 | ds2 | ARM should sponsor you guys for spreading the arm core around ;) |
| 16:47.45 | prpplague | hehe, we are nickel and dime for ARM |
| 16:55.41 | prpplague | ~seen landley |
| 16:55.49 | purl | landley <n=landley@207.47.11.2.static.nextweb.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 16h 35m 32s ago, saying: 'They're online, they're just not _collected_.'. |
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| 19:22.37 | Dr{Who} | prp.. do you know anyone who has a working gdb on the hammer? so far i can get it to run but when i debug something it dies i have tried a few different versions of gdb |
| 19:31.26 | SpeedEvil | Dies how? |
| 19:43.45 | Dr{Who} | segfault |
| 19:44.04 | Dr{Who} | (gdb) start |
| 19:44.05 | Dr{Who} | Function "main" not defined. |
| 19:44.05 | Dr{Who} | Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) n |
| 19:44.05 | Dr{Who} | Starting program: /home/hello |
| 19:44.05 | Dr{Who} | Using host libthread_db library "libthread_db.so.1". |
| 19:44.05 | Dr{Who} | Segmentation fault |
| 19:44.47 | Dr{Who} | i dont have libthread_db.so.1 so thats interesting.. |
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| 19:45.05 | Dr{Who} | dlopen failed on 'libthread_db.so.1' - File not found |
| 19:45.05 | Dr{Who} | GDB will not be able to debug pthreads. |
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| 20:21.34 | prpplague | oh my! http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3441111408.html |
| 20:22.31 | SpeedEvil | hoped it was e-ink |
| 20:23.01 | CosmicPenguin | cute |
| 20:23.29 | chouimat|work | prpplague: interesting |
| 20:23.34 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 20:24.10 | CosmicPenguin | Screen is a little small, but it has a lot of flash |
| 20:24.25 | SpeedEvil | same size as eeepc I think |
| 20:24.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: definitly on my wish list if its not vaporware |
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| 20:25.41 | SpeedEvil | Announcements are cheap. |
| 20:26.03 | chouimat|work | specs look different here http://www.ink-media.com/Ink-Computer.html |
| 20:26.19 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 20:26.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: thats why we usually don't announce something until we have it in stock and ready to ship |
| 20:29.11 | SpeedEvil | Hard to tell if they're at the 'painted clay model' or 'we need to fine-tune the powersaving software' stage. |
| 20:30.11 | prpplague | indeed |
| 20:31.55 | chouimat|work | remembers the salesdrone sold 10 devices when we were in "alpha stage" and promised the bugs will be fixed and the special custimisation would be done in a week |
| 20:33.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the new elinux.org server is up |
| 20:34.05 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Cool! |
| 20:34.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: the old sever is still available at movial.elinux.org |
| 20:34.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: if you have pages to move over you can get them from there |
| 20:34.26 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ah, OK |
| 20:37.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm getting some interest in Hammer from the Trossen Robotics guys now. :) |
| 20:37.56 | prpplague | oh yea? |
| 20:38.36 | RobotGuy | Yep! I just spoke with Matt Trossen on the phone with respect to a project I am involved with there. |
| 20:39.45 | RobotGuy | OI found a way to sneak Hammer into the conversation. :) |
| 20:40.29 | RobotGuy | www.trossenrobotics.com |
| 20:42.31 | bsdfox_ | Dr{Who}: strace it? |
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| 20:52.32 | prpplague | landley: hey crack daddy |
| 20:52.51 | prpplague | landley: done your presentation yet? |
| 20:53.16 | landley | Brain full. |
| 20:53.18 | landley | Yup. |
| 20:53.21 | landley | Finished an hour or so back, then had lunch. |
| 20:53.29 | landley | Went 45 minutes over time. :( |
| 20:53.40 | landley | Luckily, lunch was delayed anyway... |
| 20:55.37 | Dr{Who} | hmm landley.. just playing around with tinycc.. i can compile the latest version from the main tcc site. i can not compile libtcc1. I am trying to still find out why i cant call printf and other libs. also i can not get a version of gdb to work fully. it loads but dont debug |
| 20:55.46 | Dr{Who} | just an update.. lots of problems little progress : / |
| 20:56.33 | prpplague | landley: ahh |
| 20:56.40 | prpplague | landley: how did it go? |
| 20:56.56 | prpplague | landley: any interest in the nail/hammer? |
| 20:57.10 | prpplague | landley: openocd has full gdb support |
| 20:57.12 | landley | libtcc1 doesn't build for arm yet. |
| 20:57.14 | landley | Just for x86. |
| 20:57.22 | Dr{Who} | bsdfox.. strace works but does not show where a problem occures. |
| 20:57.22 | landley | It's got #ifdefs that need beating with a stick. |
| 20:57.29 | prpplague | oh fun |
| 20:57.31 | Dr{Who} | k. |
| 20:57.43 | Dr{Who} | was not sure if it were needed to build a hello world or not. |
| 20:58.02 | landley | prpplague: I gave the three sample nails out to: 1) David mandala (Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded), 2) Andrew Morton (ubergeek), 3) Solar (who promises to have gentoo embedded running on it by this time tomorrow). |
| 20:58.16 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 20:58.22 | Dr{Who} | i get this with the websites tcc when building hello.c |
| 20:58.24 | Dr{Who} | tcc: file '/usr/local/lib/tcc/libtcc1.a' not found |
| 20:58.24 | Dr{Who} | tcc: undefined symbol '__udivsi3' |
| 20:58.25 | landley | The third one I was indecisive about who to give to (Matt Mackall, perhaps?) But Solar was there and could do something concrete... |
| 20:58.46 | prpplague | landley: indeed, no complaints from me |
| 20:58.50 | landley | drwho: are you actually compiling libtcc for arm? |
| 20:58.58 | prpplague | landley: we'll have you another 5 or so for OLS |
| 20:59.04 | landley | Coolness. |
| 20:59.05 | Dr{Who} | ya i used my cross compiler. |
| 20:59.07 | landley | Matt should be at OLS. :) |
| 20:59.22 | landley | Ah, you're using soft float. |
| 20:59.33 | prpplague | landley: http://openhardware.net/Embedded_ARM/OpenOCD_JTAG/#testinsight |
| 20:59.43 | prpplague | landley: gonna copy that info over to the elinux.org wiki |
| 20:59.49 | prpplague | landley: new server is up now |
| 21:00.38 | landley | Ok, so openocd pretends to be a remote gdb via network connectiono. 127.0.0.1:3333 |
| 21:01.32 | landley | Their config file doesn't exit, and thus openocd apparently gives a gdb interfacey thing by default. |
| 21:01.34 | landley | Good to know. |
| 21:01.35 | prpplague | landley: yea or techincally you can do it over the network, for instance i can hook up a device in the lab and the use gdb at my desktop |
| 21:02.10 | landley | drwho: I'm still using the gcc libgcc.a for arm in place of libtccrt-arm.a |
| 21:02.18 | Dr{Who} | notes that so far no one has stated gdb is fully working .. my attempts so far are not very good. |
| 21:02.43 | landley | You're saying that the tcc version built libtcc.a, or it didn't even try to link against it when you built hello world? |
| 21:03.12 | landley | prpplague: what host did you wind up going with for the new server? |
| 21:03.25 | Dr{Who} | no i was just trying to build it thinking it was necessary. |
| 21:03.32 | Dr{Who} | so i can build my helloworld. |
| 21:03.47 | prpplague | landley: back with godaddy for now, timbird was the one making that decision, but we are going to do a more regulated backup |
| 21:03.50 | prpplague | landley: http://www.tincantools.com/product.php?productid=16143&cat=0&page=1&featured |
| 21:03.51 | landley | Probably the other one didn't even try to build it then. |
| 21:04.10 | landley | I don't think helloworld is going to use anything out of it, but I also don't think tcc is smart enough to skip linking against it when it doesn't need it... |
| 21:05.12 | Dr{Who} | ok so need to exclude that lib somehow or build one for arm. |
| 21:05.22 | landley | prpplague: cool. |
| 21:05.32 | Dr{Who} | so udivsi3 is a softfloat call? |
| 21:05.34 | landley | A couple people thought that the USB device on the end was a passthrough to the host system. |
| 21:05.37 | landley | drwho: yup. |
| 21:05.44 | Dr{Who} | k. |
| 21:05.49 | prpplague | landley: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=4963/2 |
| 21:06.04 | RobotGuy | Dr{Who}: I believe there is an option in the ToolChain stuff to build GDB |
| 21:06.32 | landley | prpplague: you ned to consistenty distinguish "upstream" and "downstream" USB ports. ("All power received from the USB port" under sspecifications, for example.) |
| 21:06.36 | Dr{Who} | Robot.. ya i have built several versions that are available. none fully work. all crash during debugging. |
| 21:07.11 | Dr{Who} | its a bit of the kicken or the egg problem. if i dont have gdb how do i debug gdb : c ) |
| 21:07.21 | landley | The downstream usb port is a standard USB host port, capable of connecting arbitrary USB client devices to the arm Linux system. |
| 21:07.36 | landley | drwho: via printf. |
| 21:07.47 | landley | All debugging boils down to where to insert the printf, and how. |
| 21:08.09 | landley | drwho: are you cross compiling gdb? |
| 21:08.12 | Dr{Who} | ya i could probably dig deep into gdb to do that.. but that would take months.. |
| 21:08.13 | landley | Don't, it doesn't cross compile. |
| 21:08.22 | landley | It pretends to, but then you wind up with a swiss cheese of endianness bugs and such. |
| 21:08.27 | Dr{Who} | ya i build gdb with buildroot. |
| 21:08.30 | landley | Build the sucker natively on the target. |
| 21:08.38 | Dr{Who} | ? |
| 21:08.56 | landley | Timesys made gdb work with different host and target through the network, and the making was PAINFUL. |
| 21:09.20 | landley | The network protocol was not endian safe, last I checked. (late 2006). |
| 21:09.32 | prpplague | landley: noted, i'll get those updated |
| 21:09.33 | Dr{Who} | im not doing remote debugging. |
| 21:09.50 | prpplague | landley: did many people pick up flyers? |
| 21:10.07 | landley | prpplague: I think so. |
| 21:10.11 | landley | The stacks are shorter, anyway. |
| 21:10.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:10.28 | prpplague | landley: either that or the bathrooms are runnign short of TP |
| 21:10.34 | landley | I'm keeping about half of each stack to hand out at Penguicon. (*shrug* They weren't going to use the whole stack of each anyway...) |
| 21:10.44 | Dr{Who} | ok so its not possible to build gdb to run directly on the hammer or gdbserver how exactly will we debug stuff? |
| 21:10.46 | prpplague | landley: indeed, thats fine |
| 21:10.56 | landley | DrWho: are you using openocd to debug? |
| 21:11.02 | Dr{Who} | no |
| 21:11.06 | landley | gdb: using the network thing. |
| 21:11.12 | landley | There's a gdbclient, I forget what it's called. |
| 21:11.19 | prpplague | landley: i know you weren't there as a sales droid, so we appreciate what coverage you can provide |
| 21:11.20 | landley | It can work over an arbitrary serial connection. |
| 21:11.43 | prpplague | landley: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=4963/2 |
| 21:11.53 | landley | I need to email instructions on how to use the nail to Andrew Morton. I just haven't had time to write it up properely yet... |
| 21:12.00 | landley | Hopefully on the plane out tonight. |
| 21:12.06 | landley | He got my case, you know. |
| 21:12.13 | prpplague | landley: hehe yea |
| 21:12.21 | prpplague | landley: i just cut about 10 cases |
| 21:12.33 | prpplague | landley: so i'll ship you a fresh one to austin |
| 21:12.35 | landley | Coolness! |
| 21:12.41 | landley | On its way up to 2.6.26-rc1. |
| 21:12.49 | prpplague | landley: yea i hope so |
| 21:12.55 | Dr{Who} | gdbserver is the only remote debugger i know of. |
| 21:13.01 | prpplague | landley: i'll get with solar and davidm on a case |
| 21:13.15 | landley | When it hits mainstream, note that support for the board was merged into the vanilla kernel in 2.6.26-rcX |
| 21:13.36 | prpplague | landley: yea will do |
| 21:13.36 | landley | "See arch/arm/configs/blahblah_defconfig" |
| 21:14.01 | Dr{Who} | ill try to build gdbserver and try that. |
| 21:14.06 | prpplague | landley: i had to send a nasty-gram to rmk for them to move on the pacth |
| 21:14.14 | landley | drwho: gdbserver is probably it. |
| 21:14.34 | landley | prpplague: still, it moved. Yay moving. |
| 21:14.45 | prpplague | indeed |
| 21:15.51 | landley | The "enlarged" version of the hammer picture needs scribbling on. |
| 21:16.17 | landley | It needs arrows pointing to "hammer module" with a sort of curly-bracket thing indicating the hammer module. |
| 21:16.26 | landley | And it needs something pointing to the expansion header. |
| 21:16.39 | prpplague | landley: you mean for the nail board? |
| 21:16.48 | landley | Yes. |
| 21:17.04 | prpplague | landley: yea, the tincantools page was hastily made for the linuxdevices.com posts |
| 21:17.07 | Dr{Who} | im guessing i cant debug across my console. |
| 21:17.09 | landley | An arrow pointing to the USB hub chip wouldn't be bad either, I point that out to people and explain how it's hooked up when I wave the board at 'em. |
| 21:17.16 | landley | drwho: actually, you can. :) |
| 21:17.18 | prpplague | landley: i've got our media guy updating it |
| 21:17.24 | Dr{Who} | neet. |
| 21:17.35 | landley | It requires a little cleverness. |
| 21:18.44 | Dr{Who} | is ttySAC1 visible on the host? |
| 21:18.57 | landley | on the nail? |
| 21:19.10 | Dr{Who} | using the debugger board the rabbit |
| 21:19.17 | landley | (P.S. the cleverness I referred to was netcat, turning the gdbserver into serial I/O on stdin/stdout through the console.) |
| 21:19.25 | landley | Dunno what a rabbit is. |
| 21:19.38 | Dr{Who} | sorry flyswatter.. |
| 21:19.43 | Dr{Who} | wire crossed. |
| 21:19.59 | landley | Ask prpplague. |
| 21:20.04 | prpplague | one sec phone |
| 21:21.22 | prpplague | landley: ttySAC1 is not visible on the host, ttySAC0 is via the usb->rs-232 adapter |
| 21:21.47 | Dr{Who} | hmm |
| 21:21.58 | prpplague | sorry that was for your Dr{Who} |
| 21:22.03 | Dr{Who} | np. |
| 21:22.12 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: but i may be misunderstanding your question |
| 21:22.19 | Dr{Who} | ya just trying to figure out the best way to get the hammer a serial port on my host to debug across. |
| 21:22.23 | landley | drwho: you can use the netcat trick I mentioned. It does tie up your console. |
| 21:22.28 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: ahh |
| 21:22.35 | landley | In theory you should be able to do something with screen, in practice I dunno what. |
| 21:22.50 | Dr{Who} | ya its on my list.. just seeing if a port is avail i can just use it |
| 21:22.57 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: you can connect the serial cable from the DB9 on the flyswatter to the DB9 and the hammer carrier board |
| 21:23.05 | Dr{Who} | ya dhoo! |
| 21:23.10 | landley | You could also use an ethernet thingy and multiple ssh sessions, and then use the netcat trick with ssh. |
| 21:23.11 | Dr{Who} | i have that setup already how silly. |
| 21:23.23 | landley | target remote | ssh blahblahblah netcat 127.0.0.1:3333 |
| 21:23.29 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: for most cases, the port shows up as ttyUSB1 |
| 21:23.38 | Dr{Who} | yep. |
| 21:23.42 | landley | i've done that before. It's slightly magic. :) |
| 21:23.43 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: simply use something like minicom on that port |
| 21:24.36 | landley | must toddle off to another panel room... |
| 21:24.44 | prpplague | landley: later |
| 21:25.00 | landley | The "printable version" should have the large picture at the top, across the top. |
| 21:25.11 | landley | Click to enlarge doesn't help with "printable version". |
| 21:25.47 | landley | Hmmm, "using UIO on an embedded platform". I wonder what that is? |
| 21:26.20 | landley | User I/O? Uber I/O? Unix I/O? Universal I/O? |
| 21:26.37 | landley | This room has "Audio, Video, Graphics BOF"... |
| 21:26.55 | landley | Or I could just to track down Solar or David and bother them some more... :) |
| 21:33.41 | Dr{Who} | ok currently i talk to the console on the hammer via its RS232 port on the carrier.. and i program via USB to the flyswatter as /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 21:35.11 | Dr{Who} | so i dont think the flyswatters usb port will let me connect to the hammer directly as a serial port |
| 21:38.02 | landley | The man running the audio/video bof just put the agenda on the projector. |
| 21:38.06 | landley | In Microsoft Excel. |
| 21:38.11 | landley | *boggle* |
| 21:38.47 | Dr{Who} | ouch |
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| 21:46.29 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 21:46.43 | CosmicPenguin | At my first OLS, intel did a presentation during their usual opening event |
| 21:47.21 | CosmicPenguin | After he was done, he started to shut down his system - exposing powerpoint + windows |
| 21:47.42 | CosmicPenguin | The beer-addled crowd was in fine form |
| 21:47.55 | prpplague | Sienna: speak of the devil |
| 21:48.09 | Sienna | devil, present! |
| 21:48.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, funny i seem to recall that |
| 21:48.27 | CosmicPenguin | brb |
| 21:48.45 | prpplague | Sienna: boss was just asking if i had heard from you |
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| 21:49.08 | Sienna | i sent him an email... just an hour ago |
| 21:49.34 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the serial port on the flyswatter is /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 21:49.41 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the jtag is on /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:50.27 | prpplague | Sienna: he's out of the office |
| 21:50.33 | prpplague | Sienna: talked to him on his cell |
| 21:50.47 | Sienna | ah |
| 21:51.25 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: the flyswatter has two internal devices |
| 21:51.33 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: one being for the jtag and the other for the rs-232 |
| 21:51.52 | Dr{Who} | and the rs-232 does that connect the the hammer? |
| 21:52.00 | Dr{Who} | hmm no i see it |
| 21:52.05 | Dr{Who} | its just a serial db9 port |
| 21:52.11 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: you can connect it with the rs-232 cable |
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| 21:52.24 | landley | prpplague: how do I feed the minirc.usb1 you emailed me into minicom? |
| 21:52.36 | landley | I list it on the command line and it has no effect, it's still trying to open /dev/tty8 |
| 21:52.39 | Dr{Who} | currently im connected on the hammer board to my pc's serial port and the usb port on the flyswatter to my pc also |
| 21:53.00 | Sienna | i got told you could only use one at a time? |
| 21:53.02 | Dr{Who} | im guessing i could connect the flyswatter's serial to the hammer's serial and only need usb to the flyswatter to talk to both |
| 21:53.24 | prpplague | landley: normally its installed in a minicom rc directory, like /usr/local/etc/ or possible in /etc itself depending on how minicom was configured |
| 21:53.35 | prpplague | landley: then on a command line you just do: minicom usb1 |
| 21:53.39 | landley | So I need root access to edit this? |
| 21:53.52 | landley | I said "minicom minirc.usb1" |
| 21:53.53 | prpplague | Sienna: who told you that? |
| 21:53.56 | landley | It wasn't happy. |
| 21:54.08 | Sienna | someone here IIRC, dont remember who though |
| 21:54.22 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: that is correct |
| 21:54.30 | prpplague | Sienna: ahh ok |
| 21:54.38 | prpplague | Sienna: no you can use both at the same time |
| 21:55.04 | Sienna | now, when i had the flyswatter plugged in backwards, the extra led on the carrier lit up, is that normal? |
| 21:55.22 | prpplague | landley: if you issue the minicom --help it will tell you where it looks for the configs |
| 21:55.39 | prpplague | "The configuration directory for the access file and the configurations |
| 21:55.39 | prpplague | is compiled to /usr/local/etc. |
| 21:55.39 | prpplague | " |
| 21:56.08 | prpplague | Sienna: no that is not is not normal |
| 21:56.27 | prpplague | looks at the schematic |
| 21:56.57 | prpplague | Sienna: actually yea, if you plug in the jtag backwards it will indeed case that led to be lighted |
| 21:57.04 | Dr{Who} | i should have realized that.. ok the flyswatter is now my only connection to the hammer thanks. |
| 21:57.05 | Sienna | oh, ok |
| 21:57.22 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: exactly |
| 21:57.31 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: which is why we did it that way |
| 21:57.55 | Dr{Who} | ya very smart.. i have my alienware m7700 and luckely it has onboard serial.. its hard to find laptop's with serial anymore. |
| 21:58.41 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: exactly |
| 21:59.06 | prpplague | landley: maybe we should consider using microcom as part of the hammer/nail package |
| 21:59.21 | Dr{Who} | ok now back to debugging via serial.. i need a free serial port on the hammer to debug. or a usb->serial thingy.. doing this across console is a bit of a pain. |
| 21:59.34 | Dr{Who} | i almost understood what landley was referring to.. |
| 21:59.46 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 22:00.17 | Dr{Who} | landely says gdb wont work on the hammer.. i have it compiled but it does not work correctly.. the other option is gdbserver and remote debugging across serial. |
| 22:00.23 | Dr{Who} | where gdb runs on the host. |
| 22:00.48 | landley | prpplague: what's microcom? |
| 22:01.01 | prpplague | landley: a super small serial terminal program |
| 22:01.13 | landley | Like netcat -f? :) |
| 22:01.18 | prpplague | landley: it was actually being considered for inclusion into busybox at one time |
| 22:01.28 | prpplague | landley: yea, maybe one step up from there |
| 22:02.06 | landley | netcat -f is in busybox. I added it before I left. |
| 22:03.53 | landley | The reason I care about the minicom config is I want to point Andrew Morton and co at the simplest possible solution. |
| 22:03.59 | landley | And the most reproducible. |
| 22:04.19 | landley | I could bundle up a toybox binary, but I'd rather not ask him to download a package he's never heard of if he wants to reproduce the binary. |
| 22:04.20 | prpplague | landley: yea, i'm just not sure why you guys are having trouble |
| 22:04.31 | prpplague | landley: i tried it on 5 different machines here with no problems |
| 22:04.44 | prpplague | landley: indeed |
| 22:04.47 | landley | I also don't want to go "become root and modify your host system. If you use 5 different computers, make this change to all of them." |
| 22:05.05 | landley | I'd rather go "here's the tarball, extract this into some directory on the system to have the toys to fiddle with it". |
| 22:05.25 | landley | prpplague: where any of those machines running Ubuntu 7.10? |
| 22:06.20 | prpplague | landley: sorry no, debian, fedora, and a gentoo box |
| 22:07.31 | landley | Possibly that's it? |
| 22:08.32 | prpplague | landley: it is possible |
| 22:08.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ping |
| 22:08.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: pong |
| 22:09.03 | prpplague | RobotGuy: aren't you running ubuntu? |
| 22:09.19 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Kubuntu, which is just Ubuntu with KDE. |
| 22:09.46 | landley | I'm using Kubuntu here too. :) |
| 22:09.47 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you normally access your hammer kit with minicom correct? |
| 22:09.49 | landley | minicom should be the same... |
| 22:09.54 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes |
| 22:10.06 | landley | RobotGuy: how do you get it to work? |
| 22:10.41 | RobotGuy | landley: I just setup /dev/ttyS0 for 115200,8,N,1 and it works. Nothing fancy. |
| 22:10.51 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ttyS0? |
| 22:11.05 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you aren't using the flyswatter ? |
| 22:11.25 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yep. First serial port on my system. yes, I'm using Flyswatter. I thought you were talking about consoling. |
| 22:11.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: we are |
| 22:11.52 | Dr{Who} | he was probably setup like i was |
| 22:11.53 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you don't have the serial port on the flyswatter connected to the serial port on the carrier board |
| 22:11.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: My Flyswatter is connected to USB. |
| 22:12.11 | landley | My usb serial shows up as /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 22:12.18 | RobotGuy | prpplague: For consoling, I connect direct from my PC to the Carrier Board. |
| 22:12.21 | prpplague | RobotGuy: right, and the db9 on the flyswatter connected to the db9 on the carrier |
| 22:12.24 | Dr{Who} | yep. |
| 22:12.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ahh ok |
| 22:12.51 | prpplague | landley: i suspect then that its probably either a driver issue on ubuntu or a permissions error |
| 22:12.52 | Dr{Who} | heh.. ok so mental note a simple connector layout 1 page howto as part of the docs.. : c ) |
| 22:12.55 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I have real db9 serial ports |
| 22:13.11 | prpplague | landley: i'll see if can get a box with kubuntu for testing |
| 22:13.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: so do i but the flyswatter makes it much easier |
| 22:13.33 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You have access to my system. |
| 22:13.40 | Dr{Who} | landley.. maybe someone should produce a vm appliance? |
| 22:13.54 | prpplague | RobotGuy: but you have no hammer board that works |
| 22:13.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'll have to reset your PW though. |
| 22:14.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yeah, I know, at present. :( I already miss it. |
| 22:14.33 | landley | vm appliance? |
| 22:14.35 | landley | Meaning...? |
| 22:15.13 | Sienna | an appliance would be a decent enough thing *nods* |
| 22:15.51 | prpplague | is with landley and has no clue about vm appliance |
| 22:15.57 | Dr{Who} | a small 200meg download that is a qemu or vmware bootable os with all the tools. |
| 22:16.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: When I told Matt Trossen that Hammer has two USB ports, he perked up. They sell Phidgets. |
| 22:17.04 | SpeedEvil | phidgets? |
| 22:17.54 | RobotGuy | http://www.phidgets.com/ |
| 22:17.58 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:18.07 | Dr{Who} | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ |
| 22:18.33 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: I told Matt I am interested in getting the libraries compiled and working for Hammer/ARM9 |
| 22:19.02 | landley | drwho: you mean http://landley.net/code/firmware/downloads/image ? |
| 22:19.32 | RobotGuy | I'd like to get one of the Interface 8/8/8 kits with the LCD and use it with Hammer. |
| 22:20.35 | Sienna | bbl, need to go shopping... Robotguy, you will be pleased to know tripod is a pile of parts atm :P |
| 22:20.40 | prpplague | landley: ok, i tried it on a memphis box and i'm able to replicate the problem |
| 22:20.43 | prpplague | landley: let me look |
| 22:21.04 | RobotGuy | Sienna: I am not pleased at that. I like your tri-pod. |
| 22:21.06 | landley | It could be that minicom is just borked. |
| 22:21.34 | landley | On ubuntu, I mean. |
| 22:21.35 | Dr{Who} | i was talking about if you need a system setup to test with build a virtual image that you can send out to people. or take an already built one for kubunto or something simmilar.. modify it and let people download it and run on VMWARE or QEMU or other. |
| 22:22.36 | landley | http://busybox.net/downloads/qemu perhaps? |
| 22:22.55 | landley | That was just a Red hat 9 image, which was the oldest build environment we supported at the time. |
| 22:23.34 | Dr{Who} | ya. or http://www.pctech101.com/virtualmachine.php |
| 22:23.59 | landley | The qemu website points people at http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Live_OS_Zoo |
| 22:24.06 | Dr{Who} | many exist out in the net.. stripped down to be small just run under your os of choice and have fun. |
| 22:24.56 | landley | Er, actually http://www.oszoo.org/ |
| 22:25.11 | Dr{Who} | that way you dont have to walk the user through all of the dependancies.. just build it up with all the tools that are needed and then ship out the image.. |
| 22:25.32 | landley | Probably http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Category:OS_images is what you're looking for. |
| 22:32.34 | Dr{Who} | prpplague.. here is a virtual machine with kubunto 7.10 and kde4 |
| 22:32.37 | Dr{Who} | http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1161 |
| 22:32.47 | prpplague | looks |
| 22:32.51 | Dr{Who} | it will run with the free vmware player. |
| 22:33.11 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: oh i see what you are wanting to |
| 22:33.25 | Dr{Who} | im just helping you find a solution : c ) |
| 22:33.48 | Dr{Who} | you needed a system that you can setup. well this wont require hardware and you can hand it out. |
| 22:34.44 | Dr{Who} | i was gathering from your chat.. that you needed a system setup to give to someone work on or build stuff for the hammer. |
| 22:36.24 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: i'm able to replicate the problem currently |
| 22:36.26 | prpplague | Dr{Who}: thanks |
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| 22:37.00 | prpplague | heads home for the day |
| 22:37.03 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 23:38.28 | prpplague | wheeeeee |
| 23:38.31 | prpplague | dsl at home again |
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| 23:38.53 | ali_as | This is a cause for cellebration? |
| 23:39.12 | prpplague | ali_as depends on who you talk to hehe |
| 23:39.36 | ali_as | Ahh, you are in the US, it could be. |
| 23:40.26 | ali_as | It's been a very long time since I heard anyone get excited about dsl ;) |
| 23:40.51 | prpplague | ali_as yea well, we had a very bad lighting storm last week, smoked my dsl modem |
| 23:41.15 | prpplague | ali_as indeed, the US is slowly slipping into a third world status in tech and education |
| 23:41.26 | ali_as | Had something similar but it only fried my microfilter. |
| 23:41.37 | ali_as | The UK too. |
| 23:42.09 | prpplague | and we have another storm tonight |
| 23:42.16 | ali_as | With BT now private there is no goverment body to spend the money needed to put decent internet connectivity in the ground. |
| 23:42.18 | prpplague | so i hope it doesn't smoke the new modem |
| 23:43.33 | prpplague | http://www.weather.com/weather/map/76053?from=36hour_map&mapdest=/maps/local/local/us_close_dfw_ultra_dfw_metro_dfw/1b/dopplerradar300mile_large.html |
| 23:44.19 | ali_as | I wonder what the spikes on the phone system looklike on a digital oscilloscope. |
| 23:44.21 | CosmicPenguin | geeze - isn't it a little early for storms taht strong? |
| 23:44.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin its storm season for us |
| 23:45.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin from march till may |
| 23:45.38 | CosmicPenguin | Huh - we don't start growing the bad ones until late April |
| 23:45.55 | ali_as | I can't avoidthe temptation to say 'Cool'. |
| 23:46.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:46.44 | prpplague | 4" sized hail |
| 23:46.47 | ali_as | A pain to live there I'm sure, but english weather is a little.... |
| 23:46.52 | CosmicPenguin | And a tornado warning too |
| 23:46.52 | ali_as | No way. |
| 23:47.06 | ali_as | 4"! |
| 23:47.13 | CosmicPenguin | When the doppler gets pink on it - thats bad |
| 23:47.29 | prpplague | ali_as well as natural disasters go, this is about as bad as we get here |
| 23:48.09 | ali_as | How much is car insurence there? |
| 23:48.43 | prpplague | its pretty reasonable compared to the rest of the US |
| 23:49.40 | ali_as | With 4" hail I can't see why at all. |
| 23:49.40 | prpplague | hehe most people park their cars in the garage |
| 23:52.14 | ali_as | We barely had any snow at all this year. Or last. |
| 23:52.50 | prpplague | it snows a little about once a year, maybe 1/2 inch |
| 23:54.40 | prpplague | brb |
| 23:55.56 | ds2 | wheeeeeeeeeeeeee real keyboard |