| 00:00.11 | g1powermac | yea, eventually |
| 00:00.21 | g1powermac | was thinking of just soldering wires to the pads |
| 00:00.36 | g1powermac | and then soldering the wires to a proto board |
| 00:00.52 | prpplague | gonna take a steady hand and a good soldering iron |
| 00:00.59 | g1powermac | yea |
| 00:01.04 | g1powermac | well, bbiab, going home |
| 00:09.17 | prpplague | hehe those guys over at openmoko make me laugh |
| 00:11.23 | prpplague | "The debug board will be available as a separate product for $99 USD." |
| 00:11.33 | prpplague | its basically a stripped down version of the flyswatter |
| 00:11.51 | prpplague | "about 1 tenth what people would pay for similar |
| 00:11.51 | prpplague | capability. |
| 00:12.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:12.16 | prpplague | thats funny since the flyswatter has double the features at 1/2 the cost |
| 00:12.33 | landley | prpplague: so did you get any kind of decent response from the CELF flyers? |
| 00:12.43 | landley | I dropped some off at Penguicon too, but it wasn't really the right crowd... |
| 00:12.46 | prpplague | landley yea, we got about 20 or so orders |
| 00:12.51 | landley | Coolness. |
| 00:12.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:13.05 | landley | Now you just need to turn that into word of mouth advertising... |
| 00:13.10 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:13.46 | prpplague | landley i'm hope'n that if we get alot of cool projects going like with solar and such that we will get alot more interest |
| 00:13.46 | landley | I'll finish up my "So you have a nail board, now what?" document this weekend, email it to andrew morton and david mandala and you, and put it on the web somewhere. |
| 00:13.55 | prpplague | landley good deal |
| 00:14.07 | landley | This one is really aimed at Andrew Morton. |
| 00:14.09 | prpplague | i talked to mandala a couple of days ago |
| 00:14.14 | landley | Dear person who has no time: here's how to play with toy. |
| 00:14.24 | landley | prpplague: he's davidm on here. |
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| 00:24.39 | solar | prpplague: if you want to drum up more interest. We maybe could get a board to the kid who is working on the gentoo summer of code project for something we call GNAP. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/soc/ (4th entry from the bottom) |
| 00:26.35 | prpplague | landley yea, visited the ubuntu-mobile channel |
| 00:26.50 | prpplague | looks at the url from solar |
| 00:27.13 | landley | still needs a case for my nail board. |
| 00:27.18 | landley | I threw out my bubble wrap. :( |
| 00:27.23 | SpeedEvil | ponders a sandwitch-board in the shape of a DIP40 |
| 00:27.40 | prpplague | landley sorry they are on my desk, completely forgot |
| 00:27.43 | solar | I've not really used that framework. But might be ideal if ppl had quick ways to deploy new firmware images. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap.xml |
| 00:27.49 | prpplague | landley i'll get them ready to ship |
| 00:28.07 | prpplague | solar yea i think i can convince the boss on that |
| 00:28.11 | prpplague | solar i'll have to check |
| 00:28.22 | prpplague | solar we've been sending out alot of evals |
| 00:28.26 | SpeedEvil | landley: http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/bubble-wrap-keyring/index.html |
| 00:28.42 | solar | yeah I'd have to find out which kid is going to be doing that project and if it's even worth the stamps |
| 00:29.10 | prpplague | solar ok let me know |
| 00:29.24 | prpplague | SpeedEvil cute |
| 00:30.37 | prpplague | wonder if the openmoko people would be pissed if i sould a $5 adapter board for the flyswatter |
| 00:30.49 | prpplague | s/sould/sold |
| 00:30.56 | prpplague | damm laptop keyboard |
| 00:31.28 | landley | prpplague: do it. :) |
| 00:31.29 | SpeedEvil | adaptor board? |
| 00:31.39 | SpeedEvil | you mean as a JTAG thingy? |
| 00:31.47 | prpplague | SpeedEvil yea to convert to their 40 pin fpc connector |
| 00:32.03 | SpeedEvil | got a source that'll do you cables? |
| 00:32.34 | prpplague | uh yea |
| 00:32.36 | SpeedEvil | thinks they should have changed the connector when they stopped routing key data/address lines off board. |
| 00:32.48 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: connectors sent |
| 00:32.50 | SpeedEvil | As far as I can gather - they'd be thrilled. |
| 00:33.33 | prpplague | well if they are selling theirs for $99 |
| 00:33.42 | prpplague | i think they are making a bunch of money |
| 00:33.53 | Crofton | that is the American way |
| 00:33.59 | prpplague | indeed |
| 00:34.04 | prpplague | and so is undercutting them |
| 00:34.09 | Crofton | except they aren't Americans |
| 00:34.14 | SpeedEvil | I made intimations a few months back on selling my own debug board, and the comment from one of the project leaders was positive. |
| 00:34.22 | SpeedEvil | I don't remember who it was though. |
| 00:34.24 | Crofton | no, that would be the Chinese way |
| 00:34.42 | SpeedEvil | The core project team is largely american and german. |
| 00:34.44 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
| 00:34.50 | Crofton | this global role reversal is getting amusing |
| 00:35.20 | Crofton | mostly German + Taiwan |
| 00:35.27 | Crofton | Sean is US |
| 00:35.27 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: do an open-hardware phone! |
| 00:35.36 | SpeedEvil | Competition is good! |
| 00:36.08 | prpplague | not interested in the phone, just that we already have the jtag device |
| 00:36.13 | SpeedEvil | digs out his hammer-phone schematics. |
| 00:36.16 | Crofton | http://www.flickr.com/photos/32615155@N00/405229713/in/set-72157594561002629/ |
| 00:36.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 00:36.30 | Crofton | Both Open moko dudes |
| 00:38.30 | prpplague | SpeedEvil you have a gta01 ? |
| 00:38.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:39.31 | prpplague | the debug connector is 19 pins correct? |
| 00:39.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:39.53 | SpeedEvil | Hangon - I'll photo |
| 00:40.44 | prpplague | i counted 19 pins |
| 00:41.07 | SpeedEvil | It's not - it's a double row |
| 00:41.39 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember where he put his debug board. |
| 00:41.51 | prpplague | ahh its 40 pins, just very small pitch i see |
| 00:42.42 | prpplague | SpeedEvil the cable doesn't look symertical, they don't appear to be the same connecto on both ends |
| 00:44.48 | Dr{Who} | prp.. can you help my understand some arm instructions. |
| 00:45.02 | Dr{Who} | im an x86 guy i have to do more reading.. blaa. |
| 00:45.08 | SpeedEvil | Ok - foubnd board, got pics |
| 00:45.18 | Dr{Who} | http://pastebin.com/d395cb657 |
| 00:45.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil more insterested if you can measurer the size of the cable that plugs into the phone side |
| 00:46.02 | SpeedEvil | got scale |
| 00:46.12 | prpplague | Dr{Who} i'll be happy to try, but its been awhile since i looked at arm asm |
| 00:46.28 | Dr{Who} | heh. ya well at least you have some of the instructions are new to me. |
| 00:47.05 | Dr{Who} | lets start with the first lien. |
| 00:47.19 | Dr{Who} | moving the instruciton pointer from the stack.? |
| 00:47.20 | prpplague | Dr{Who} mm, i'd have to grab my arm asm book at the office for reference |
| 00:47.26 | prpplague | looks |
| 00:47.42 | Dr{Who} | its right to left on mov as i recall |
| 00:47.47 | roxfan | ip is not instruction pointer |
| 00:47.55 | Dr{Who} | ok thats better.. i was like umm?? |
| 00:48.05 | roxfan | don't remember what it stands for but it's alias for r12 |
| 00:48.08 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hmm, I'm looking at getting this accelerometer too: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8658 |
| 00:48.20 | Dr{Who} | so just some register.. |
| 00:48.22 | g1powermac_PB | since its i2c, I could use both it and the camera |
| 00:48.27 | roxfan | basically it's a nullsub |
| 00:48.51 | Dr{Who} | explain.. please.. |
| 00:48.59 | Dr{Who} | it does nothing right. |
| 00:49.02 | g1powermac_PB | would be kinda cool to have an accelerometer on the zipit |
| 00:49.11 | Dr{Who} | it would have some meat.. if it had some init to do. |
| 00:49.16 | roxfan | actually wait... why is it pushing pc? |
| 00:49.33 | Dr{Who} | pc is what register? |
| 00:49.39 | prpplague | SpeedEvil got those measurements? |
| 00:50.00 | SpeedEvil | getting |
| 00:50.10 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 00:50.15 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I think you could also use the accelerometer to make a pedometer |
| 00:50.22 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB indeed |
| 00:50.23 | roxfan | pc is the instruction pointer |
| 00:50.34 | g1powermac_PB | very cool |
| 00:50.49 | roxfan | yeah i don't think that function works right |
| 00:51.01 | prpplague | yea something doesn't look correct there |
| 00:51.24 | Dr{Who} | probalby why init is crashing... : c ) |
| 00:51.36 | Dr{Who} | does an objump on a working bin |
| 00:52.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/conn.jpg |
| 00:52.46 | roxfan | hmm crti.asm and crtn.asm do have it just like that |
| 00:53.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil hehe that doesn't help much, hehe |
| 00:53.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil looks about 12mm |
| 00:53.44 | SpeedEvil | I have a camera with a broken screen. |
| 00:53.54 | SpeedEvil | And a flat battery on my digital caliper. |
| 00:53.58 | Dr{Who} | well i did an objdump on 'setserial' bin and it seems the same |
| 00:54.02 | SpeedEvil | is tempted to duct-tape an AA on there. |
| 00:54.03 | Dr{Who} | i updated the pastbin. |
| 00:54.04 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 00:54.06 | prpplague | SpeedEvil np, just need a general measurement |
| 00:54.22 | Dr{Who} | http://pastebin.com/d6a4ae58c |
| 00:54.32 | g1powermac_PB | so camera + accelerometer/pedometer + heart rate monitor made with mcu == awesome expansion board for the zipit |
| 00:54.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil that sounds about right? 12mm? |
| 00:55.04 | SpeedEvil | the top part seems to be 12.2mm +.1mm |
| 00:55.41 | prpplague | thats the end to the phone? |
| 00:55.54 | Dr{Who} | the part that messes with my head and this may be a C'ism.. is the pushing and pop are not the same.. when i write raw x86 asm code i push and pop the same unless maybe i have extra data on the stack i want back. |
| 00:56.26 | roxfan | i guess they skip the pushed pc with that sub fp, ip, #4 |
| 00:56.34 | SpeedEvil | on somewhat more accurate measurement - 12mm +-0.05mm |
| 00:56.59 | prpplague | yea that puts it about 0.3mm pitch |
| 00:57.29 | Dr{Who} | fb is? |
| 00:57.31 | prpplague | wonder if they'll use the same connector for the gta02 |
| 00:57.34 | Dr{Who} | err fp |
| 00:57.43 | Dr{Who} | frame pointer? |
| 00:58.05 | SpeedEvil | It looks like 12mm, necking down to 11.9mm at the midpoint of the gold plating - I'm not sure that's intentional though |
| 00:58.24 | roxfan | yes |
| 00:58.31 | roxfan | alias for r11 |
| 00:58.43 | Dr{Who} | ok and ldmdb must load registers from a memory address |
| 00:58.58 | roxfan | yep |
| 00:59.12 | Dr{Who} | seems odd. why not pop? |
| 00:59.12 | SpeedEvil | It does seem intentional - inspecting it from the back. |
| 00:59.35 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: and yes - that's the phone end |
| 01:00.11 | roxfan | because sp might be bogus |
| 01:00.24 | Dr{Who} | hmm good point. |
| 01:00.53 | roxfan | of course ip could be corrupted too... then you're sol |
| 01:01.02 | roxfan | *fp |
| 01:01.15 | Dr{Who} | ya |
| 01:01.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil so its doable to make an adapter |
| 01:01.50 | prpplague | SpeedEvil probably looking at around $8 dollars |
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| 01:02.04 | prpplague | shame they didn't use a better connector |
| 01:02.18 | Dr{Who} | well thats nutz.. i cant see why gdb would see a problem.. according to gdb i get a segfault and i am at address a3a8 |
| 01:02.39 | roxfan | you have registers dump? |
| 01:02.55 | Dr{Who} | i can but i have to go lookup the gdb command for that. |
| 01:02.56 | prpplague | SpeedEvil looks like they brought them out to pads though |
| 01:03.14 | roxfan | try r |
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| 01:04.38 | prpplague | SpeedEvil wonder how much that cable costs |
| 01:04.49 | prpplague | or should i say costs FIC |
| 01:05.09 | SpeedEvil | As I understand - V0 of the debug board had more core lines brought out. |
| 01:05.22 | Dr{Who} | hmm info registers command seems to show x86 type registers.. |
| 01:05.30 | SpeedEvil | To the extent that when connected the device had to be underclocked |
| 01:05.35 | roxfan | o.O |
| 01:05.47 | Dr{Who} | http://pastebin.com/d46b344ee |
| 01:05.58 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: neither the current debug board or hardware support that - oh - and the GTA02 will use the same connector. |
| 01:06.39 | roxfan | looks like it's trying to execute it as x86 for some reason... |
| 01:06.43 | prpplague | SpeedEvil yea i saw the pic |
| 01:07.00 | Dr{Who} | im using gdb on my host and gdbserver on the hammer. |
| 01:07.11 | prpplague | Dr{Who} cool |
| 01:07.15 | Dr{Who} | im guessing gdb again does not fully deal well with this.. |
| 01:07.19 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: thanks, how were they shipped? (USPS, UPS, FedEx, Donkey, DHL, SloBoat) and from where? |
| 01:07.37 | g1powermac_PB | first class mail |
| 01:07.44 | g1powermac_PB | from KY |
| 01:07.47 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: thanks. |
| 01:08.02 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB otherwise known as the "land of the lost" |
| 01:08.10 | g1powermac_PB | pretty much |
| 01:08.48 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB ky still have no inspection sticker for vechicles? |
| 01:08.55 | g1powermac_PB | nope |
| 01:09.03 | g1powermac_PB | and only one license plate too |
| 01:09.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: neither does CO. |
| 01:09.19 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: we have 2... |
| 01:09.32 | prpplague | GPSFan yea well probably in CO you neded certain standards for driving |
| 01:09.49 | prpplague | in KY if it rolls.... people drive it |
| 01:09.56 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hahaha, so true, so true |
| 01:09.56 | CP|home | Drive on the interstate for 10 minute and you will be disabused of that notion |
| 01:10.06 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: really, it doesn't even have to roll |
| 01:10.16 | prpplague | seriously i once saw a car where someone actually had bike pedals setup inside |
| 01:10.20 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: http://www.mauve.plus.com/conn.jpg and conn1.jpg - best pictures I can get of the conenctor with my current setup. |
| 01:10.38 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: I've seen a train of pickup truck beds hitched together |
| 01:12.30 | prpplague | SpeedEvil thanks i think i got the idea now |
| 01:12.48 | prpplague | yea offset connectors |
| 01:12.53 | Dr{Who} | though eip is correct.. |
| 01:13.37 | prpplague | goes to look at qemu code |
| 01:13.42 | SpeedEvil | wishes that they'd rethought the debug connector after pulling all the extra signals. |
| 01:13.50 | prpplague | i really need to spend some time and get the hammer qemu running |
| 01:14.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil yea that connector is expensive |
| 01:14.30 | SpeedEvil | I'd have loved a debug/expansion connector too. But Meh. |
| 01:14.54 | prpplague | and their debug board is way overkill |
| 01:15.03 | prpplague | 1/2 the parts on that board could go away |
| 01:16.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 has debug pinouts |
| 01:16.31 | SpeedEvil | unfortunately, not all active connections on odds or evens. |
| 01:16.43 | prpplague | yea already looked at that |
| 01:18.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware - blank pcb images :) |
| 01:18.26 | SpeedEvil | Something to be admired in a phone. |
| 01:18.28 | prpplague | yea looked at that too hehe |
| 01:18.35 | prpplague | https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ |
| 01:18.44 | prpplague | has the core 24xx support |
| 01:18.44 | g1powermac_PB | alright, got the accelerometer and camera |
| 01:25.11 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: since you've already done some work with these cameras, I might need some help from ya to get that camera running on the z2 :-) |
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| 01:27.22 | prpplague | i'll try to squeeze you in, but the next 2-3 weeks are going to be pretty busy |
| 01:27.40 | g1powermac_PB | oh, I won't need help for quite a few weeks |
| 01:28.03 | g1powermac_PB | I'm focused on the software right now |
| 02:12.39 | g1powermac_PB | hah, you know, the iphone uses the same accelerometer that I purchased |
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| 02:41.43 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
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| 05:42.33 | RobotGuy | Nobody seems to be implementing the camera interface of the S3C2440A on SBCs. :( |
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| 09:13.17 | [AD]Turbo | hi all |
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| 13:05.36 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: Greetings. |
| 13:06.15 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: g'day |
| 13:08.01 | RobotGuy | I was looking for s3c2440 boards, but none of the ones I found seen to implement the camera interface. However, the iPAQ RX-3715 uses the 2440 and it has a camera. |
| 13:09.20 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: one might wonder if that iPAQ has a linux port and if it's camera works. |
| 13:09.24 | RobotGuy | I just wonder how much of the other stuff of the 2440, like USB Host, etc, are available on the RX-3715 board. |
| 13:09.37 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: I have wondered that. :D |
| 13:09.50 | RobotGuy | I have to check handhelds.org |
| 13:10.57 | GPSFan | RobotGuy: after reading the datasheet for the sparkfun/Toshiba camera, I've found it lacking in details about the i2c accessible registers. They are listed with labels on bit fields, but there is no info on what those fields do. |
| 13:11.22 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: They claim to have complete data on it. |
| 13:12.28 | GPSFan | indeed, but that datasheet is far from completd, Unless, the i2c accessible registers are a "standard" that is available elsewhere. |
| 13:13.29 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy and GPSFan |
| 13:13.42 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Howdy |
| 13:14.03 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: hey, how's it goin... |
| 13:14.50 | g1powermac_PB | actually, not too great, woke up with really bad vertigo this morning at 5:30am |
| 13:15.36 | g1powermac_PB | second time I've ever had that when waking up |
| 13:16.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: obviously means that you needed more sleep ;>) |
| 13:16.32 | GPSFan | (or less beer) |
| 13:16.33 | g1powermac_PB | think it was my seasonal tree pollen allergies wreaking havoc with my ears |
| 13:17.06 | g1powermac_PB | allergies this year has been really bad due to the strange weather pattern we had earlier |
| 13:17.27 | g1powermac_PB | it stayed cold for too long and now all the trees are releasing pollen at the same time |
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| 13:27.21 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: There is a Linux project for the RX series iPAQs. |
| 13:29.20 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: I was talking to prpplague about the camera |
| 13:29.42 | g1powermac_PB | he knows how to interface with it, its basically the same camera he's trying to get to work on his hammer board |
| 13:29.47 | RobotGuy | GPSFan: The camera interface has not been worked on though, apparently. |
| 13:30.27 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: he also said he was gonna help me get the interface working when I get to the point of attaching it up :-) |
| 13:30.58 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: so last night I bought the 1.3 megapixel one and also an i2c accelerometer |
| 13:31.14 | g1powermac_PB | gonna try to use the accelerometer to make a pedometer app for the zipit |
| 13:33.18 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab, going to work |
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| 13:34.41 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 13:37.47 | prpplague | greetings |
| 13:38.40 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
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| 13:48.21 | prpplague | hmm, i wonder if qemu supports the usage of skins |
| 13:49.17 | prpplague | hmm, i guess you could do a program that opens the qemu inside |
| 13:52.50 | prpplague | looks like thats what they did here - http://code.google.com/android/reference/emulator.html#skins |
| 13:53.12 | ce_geek | prplague: And for my next trick, adding another sensor to the 1-wire bus! |
| 13:53.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: cool |
| 13:54.17 | prpplague | can anyone pull up freahmeat.net ? i'm getting timeouts |
| 13:54.34 | ce_geek | Seems to be hanging for me. |
| 13:54.41 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 14:00.23 | RobotGuy | ce_geek, prpplague: G'Morning |
| 14:00.31 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Howdy |
| 14:00.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: greetings |
| 14:14.07 | ce_geek | prplague: Okay that was too easy. |
| 14:14.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:15.02 | ce_geek | http://www.pastebin.ca/997109 |
| 14:15.58 | ce_geek | Digitemp is a pretty nifty piece of software. I've gotta figure out if I can get it to make those pretty graphs like they have on their home page. |
| 14:17.06 | prpplague | hmm i seem to be having net problems today |
| 14:17.32 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh so you added another sensor with no problems? |
| 14:17.49 | ce_geek | prplague; Right smack dab in parallel with the other one. |
| 14:19.00 | prpplague | lovely |
| 14:19.47 | ce_geek | Hmmn a graph would be nice, but it looks like it'll be a bit of work. |
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| 14:21.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kernelkit/ |
| 14:22.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Is this in relation to another project I am looking at? |
| 14:23.25 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea, just thought it might warrant a look\ |
| 14:23.41 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I will look at it, for sure. Thanks. |
| 14:24.32 | RobotGuy | I'm just anxious to get back to working with Hammer. |
| 14:24.38 | g1powermac | hey prpplague |
| 14:24.45 | prpplague | g1powermac: hey |
| 14:25.10 | g1powermac | does elinux have a cvs repository or something that can hold some specific code for my zipit stuff? |
| 14:25.20 | g1powermac | going to be working on a page on the wiki today |
| 14:25.30 | prpplague | g1powermac: not at the momment |
| 14:25.41 | prpplague | g1powermac: we've discussed doing that, but no decision was made |
| 14:25.47 | g1powermac | ahh, ok |
| 14:25.59 | g1powermac | any other option? |
| 14:26.23 | g1powermac | maybe I should try to get a sf project for the zipit2 |
| 14:29.29 | g1powermac | I could prolly use the svn for the zipit linux stuff on the zipit site, but I'd rather use a 3rd party system |
| 14:32.25 | prpplague | linuxtogo seems pretty good |
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| 14:39.48 | prpplague | landley: greetings |
| 14:40.07 | landley | Morning. Off to a meeting... |
| 14:40.57 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 14:47.31 | landley | And lo, I quit. |
| 14:47.38 | solar | has 0 meetings today and is working from @home :) |
| 14:47.38 | landley | Here until lunch, then driving back to Austin. |
| 14:47.44 | landley | Yay solar. |
| 14:47.47 | landley | is envious. |
| 14:47.53 | landley | wants a half time job. |
| 14:47.56 | prpplague | landley: hehe |
| 14:48.08 | landley | When employed, I make more money than I need, and have less free time than I need. |
| 14:48.10 | prpplague | landley: tinkering with qemu |
| 14:48.18 | prpplague | landley: suppose to working on a bsp |
| 14:48.29 | landley | Working for six months and taking six months off is bad granularity. There's got to be a happy medium. |
| 14:48.37 | landley | qemu is fun to tinker with. |
| 14:48.44 | landley | It does _tricks_. |
| 14:48.52 | prpplague | landley: ever see anyone do skins for qemu? |
| 14:48.58 | landley | skins? |
| 14:49.03 | landley | I don't know what that would mean. |
| 14:49.08 | prpplague | landley: i.e. simulate buttons and leds |
| 14:49.09 | solar | yeah but they called it vmware later on |
| 14:49.17 | landley | prpplague: ah. yes, I have. |
| 14:49.24 | prpplague | http://code.google.com/android/reference/emulator.html#skins |
| 14:49.26 | landley | Don't remember where, though. It was some OLS bof. |
| 14:49.51 | prpplague | landley: looks like they just have a program that calls qemu |
| 14:50.12 | prpplague | i'll check the OLS archives to see if anything pops up |
| 14:50.22 | prpplague | landley: right now i'm just running it inside of xnest |
| 14:50.32 | landley | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC63 has a little on this. |
| 14:50.38 | prpplague | looks |
| 14:51.02 | solar | prpplague: so you got it working for the hammer/nail kernel images? |
| 14:51.13 | landley | goes to talk to Evan for a bit... |
| 14:51.24 | prpplague | solar: yea, using the neo1973 patches |
| 14:51.30 | prpplague | solar: still testing and tweaking |
| 14:52.16 | solar | cool. thats good news for developers doing rapid testing of *misc* |
| 14:52.21 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:52.36 | prpplague | trying to decide how detailed we need the functionality |
| 14:52.48 | chouimat|work | lalala lalalala |
| 14:53.06 | prpplague | landley: i don't see any info on doing skins type stuff on that url |
| 14:53.13 | prpplague | chouimat|work: yea yea, get back to work |
| 14:53.41 | prpplague | man its been a long time since i did x dev |
| 14:53.50 | chouimat|work | prpplague: I'm working ... I'm reading a great (boring) book about a boring language Perl |
| 14:54.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:54.41 | chouimat|work | prpplague: and I hate the stupid syntax and the stupid There more than one way to do it |
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| 14:55.36 | prpplague | "and Goldilocks said hmm this struct is just right!" |
| 14:55.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
| 14:55.47 | chouimat|work | prpplague: hehe |
| 14:55.49 | solar | if you think the lang is bad. just try to cross-compile the app. |
| 14:55.55 | CosmicPenguin | hidyho |
| 14:56.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got a second for an x question |
| 14:56.33 | chouimat|work | solar: the version I use on arm was natively compiled ... |
| 14:56.36 | CosmicPenguin | I'll try |
| 14:57.11 | solar | chouimat|work: yeah most of the time perl has to be done that way sadly. |
| 14:57.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know when you start an x app from inside something like xterm, the app opens a new window inside the windows manager confines? |
| 14:57.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there a way to have that app open within the window confines of its parent? |
| 14:58.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: granted not with xterm, but if you did a custom term app |
| 14:58.33 | CosmicPenguin | hm - I'm sure there is, but I don't know how to do it |
| 14:58.35 | g1powermac | well, I submitted it at sourceforge, see if I get approved |
| 14:58.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: functionality wise it would be similiar to using xnest |
| 14:58.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok np |
| 14:59.04 | CosmicPenguin | how the window manager works is that the application maps a window onto the root window |
| 14:59.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just thinking out loud about doing buttons and leds for a qemu |
| 14:59.32 | CosmicPenguin | and the window manager traps that mapping and re-parents the window within its own decorations |
| 14:59.56 | CosmicPenguin | so there might be a way to re-direct that somewhere else, but I'm not enough of a X API person to know |
| 15:00.07 | CosmicPenguin | mallum would know, if you can track him down |
| 15:00.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'd suspect it would be similiar to the code of xnest then |
| 15:00.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea he shows up in poky sometimes |
| 15:00.56 | CosmicPenguin | xnest is a little strange because it it actually acts like a server |
| 15:01.08 | CosmicPenguin | and so appliation maps go directly to it, not to the root X server |
| 15:01.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, what i'm doing right now is running a small "manager" app inside xnest along with qemu |
| 15:02.24 | CosmicPenguin | OpenedHand, which apparently is so l33t, they've opened up their own labs, have two apps you might be interested in |
| 15:02.32 | CosmicPenguin | http://labs.o-hand.com/xoo/ |
| 15:02.39 | CosmicPenguin | http://labs.o-hand.com/xephyr/ |
| 15:03.29 | prpplague | looks |
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| 15:24.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thanks thats exactly what i was looking for |
| 15:24.55 | CosmicPenguin | don't thank me, thank mallum and RP |
| 15:25.01 | prpplague | already did |
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| 15:31.54 | prpplague | solar / landley any idea of how you'd like to see the qemu stuff for the hammer/nail work? |
| 15:32.24 | prpplague | you just want it similiar to the versatile package? |
| 15:52.48 | landley | prpplague: qemu -M nail |
| 15:53.11 | g1powermac | man, I love going through sparkfun's site, I find way too much cool stuff |
| 15:53.34 | landley | Have /dev/ttyUSB1 hooked up to stdin/stdout of the qemu instance by default. |
| 15:53.39 | landley | Since it's -nographic. :) |
| 15:53.57 | landley | The jtag can probably be skipped. |
| 15:54.12 | landley | Then again, if you've got an emulator set up for it already and you can emulate usb devices... :) |
| 15:54.29 | landley | Emulating a usb gadget with qemu would be fun. I have no idea how one would actually _do_ it. |
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| 16:00.44 | g1powermac | hmm, I'd love to get a gsm module in/on the zipit. . . |
| 16:00.59 | g1powermac | except sparkfun's modules are really expensive |
| 16:30.17 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac: ebay serarc selelers for sureelectronics |
| 16:30.22 | SpeedEvil | look for gsm |
| 16:32.24 | g1powermac | hmm, intriguing |
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| 16:33.21 | g1powermac | hmm, the seller only has one |
| 16:33.29 | SpeedEvil | No, they don't. |
| 16:33.35 | SpeedEvil | they only have one on auction. |
| 16:33.41 | g1powermac | oh |
| 16:34.40 | g1powermac | k, yea, i'm on their website now |
| 16:34.51 | g1powermac | so they're based out of china? |
| 16:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 16:35.16 | SpeedEvil | I've done ... 3? orders from them. |
| 16:35.28 | SpeedEvil | All came in on time, with the correct stuff. |
| 16:35.41 | g1powermac | cool, cool |
| 16:35.47 | SpeedEvil | I like the 500mA little SMPSs |
| 16:36.04 | SpeedEvil | 20*20mm 0.5A 3-12V out step-down SMPSs |
| 16:36.06 | g1powermac | ok, so for this module, I'd have to build some form of breakout board |
| 16:36.15 | g1powermac | need a sim card slot and all that stuff |
| 16:36.17 | SpeedEvil | it comes with one - or at least mine did |
| 16:36.20 | SpeedEvil | and a sim card |
| 16:36.33 | g1powermac | really? |
| 16:36.41 | g1powermac | huh, it says its only the module |
| 16:36.59 | g1powermac | http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=100 |
| 16:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Yes - I ordered two on seprate occasions both came with a breakout board and a couple of SIM holders |
| 16:37.16 | SpeedEvil | from ebay, not directly from the site |
| 16:37.31 | g1powermac | and on ebay, did it say it was only the module? |
| 16:37.51 | SpeedEvil | it diddn't mention the board or the SIM holders |
| 16:38.02 | g1powermac | I know the auction I'm looking at says only the module |
| 16:38.22 | SpeedEvil | ask seller a question |
| 16:38.33 | g1powermac | yea, was just thinking of doing it |
| 16:39.51 | g1powermac | if it does, thats one heck of a deal |
| 16:40.19 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, would you mind taking a few shots of your module with the board? I'd like to see what it looks like |
| 16:42.45 | SpeedEvil | It's at the moment of a stack of 20 large boxes. To describe it - it's a 50mm*50mm (broadly) soldermasked board, with silkscreen labelled holes on 1.6mm FR4 board. |
| 16:43.09 | SpeedEvil | It breaks the connections out to 0.1" on the edges. |
| 16:43.21 | SpeedEvil | through-holes that is. |
| 16:43.22 | g1powermac | oh nice, perfect for prototyping |
| 16:44.06 | g1powermac | and all data can go through the uart interface? |
| 16:44.33 | SpeedEvil | Other than it won't actually fit onto a solderless breadboard, due to having pins on all four sides |
| 16:44.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:44.43 | g1powermac | very nice |
| 16:44.54 | SpeedEvil | you only really need a few pins - voltage supply, and serial |
| 16:45.56 | g1powermac | I ponder, I see some gpio on this thing, is it actually programmable? |
| 16:46.13 | SpeedEvil | I think in principle if you upgrade the firmware |
| 16:46.21 | SpeedEvil | but in practice, not especially. |
| 16:46.26 | g1powermac | k |
| 16:46.26 | SpeedEvil | as you can't get the docs |
| 16:46.54 | g1powermac | well, I'll have to put a mcu between it and the zipit, since the zipit only has i2c coming out of its expansion port |
| 16:47.21 | SpeedEvil | USB-serial? |
| 16:47.21 | g1powermac | just a basic chip to relay the comms |
| 16:47.32 | SpeedEvil | Or doesn't it do USB? |
| 16:47.37 | g1powermac | can't, its usb device coming out |
| 16:47.41 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 16:47.52 | SpeedEvil | Maxim does a I2C UART |
| 16:47.59 | g1powermac | oh |
| 16:48.07 | g1powermac | neat, i love maxim :-) |
| 16:49.08 | g1powermac | you know, this project went from just getting qtopia running on the zipit to building a freikin phone like device ;-) |
| 16:49.39 | SpeedEvil | Can you fit the GSM uart inside the case? |
| 16:49.46 | SpeedEvil | GSM module |
| 16:50.38 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 16:50.46 | g1powermac | I doubt it, its pretty tight inside |
| 16:51.56 | SpeedEvil | I suppose it's not the eeepc |
| 16:52.03 | SpeedEvil | which has quite a bit of room. |
| 16:52.57 | g1powermac | hehe, no |
| 16:54.39 | SpeedEvil | Someones put 3G, GPS, touchscreen, temp sensor, extra USB flash, ... |
| 16:54.51 | g1powermac | dang |
| 16:55.16 | g1powermac | hmm, think my zipit might have suffered a tad bit of damage from prying it open, oh well |
| 16:55.31 | g1powermac | think one of the plastic clips aren't holding |
| 16:55.31 | SpeedEvil | mechanical? |
| 16:55.34 | g1powermac | yea |
| 16:55.39 | SpeedEvil | Hotmelt! |
| 16:55.56 | g1powermac | haha, nah, its not bad, plus I want to be able to open it again |
| 16:57.19 | SpeedEvil | I've used it in the past. |
| 16:57.31 | SpeedEvil | You warm the section of case that you glued later, to open. |
| 16:58.06 | solar | landley: why is it -nographic? I always used qemu-* -kernel *Image -append "root=/dev/hda ro" root_fs |
| 16:58.19 | g1powermac | hmm, where is this i2c/uart chip? I see their spi/uart ones. . . |
| 16:58.35 | solar | qnd it pops up a nice little xterm which I do my all work in. it depends on sdl support being enabled in qemu. |
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| 17:00.32 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: i;ve got the spi uart from maxim |
| 17:00.42 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: those work pretty darn well |
| 17:00.52 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the driver isn't in the main linux kernel tree yet though |
| 17:01.00 | g1powermac | prpplague, do they make i2c ones? |
| 17:01.12 | SpeedEvil | Maybe I was thinking of SPI |
| 17:01.12 | prpplague | g1powermac: iirc no |
| 17:01.16 | prpplague | g1powermac: only spi |
| 17:01.17 | g1powermac | dang |
| 17:01.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: why do you need i2c? |
| 17:01.27 | g1powermac | prpplague, know of a i2c uart? |
| 17:01.35 | g1powermac | cause the zipit uses i2c |
| 17:01.46 | prpplague | i'm sure you can find some gpios |
| 17:02.11 | g1powermac | meh, don't want to bitbang, would rather just use a mcu then with i2c and uart |
| 17:02.15 | prpplague | g1powermac: what is the goal of adding the uart? |
| 17:02.29 | g1powermac | hooking up a gsm module |
| 17:02.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: bitbang spi driver is in the main linux kernel tree, nothing to do other than tell it which gpios to use |
| 17:02.48 | g1powermac | yes, I know, I keep finding new things to hook up to the zipit ;-) |
| 17:03.03 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea, i'm using the spi uart to do gsm/gprs |
| 17:03.06 | g1powermac | oh |
| 17:03.08 | g1powermac | neat |
| 17:03.38 | g1powermac | hmm, but there aren't gpios brought out to the zipit's expansion port |
| 17:04.07 | prpplague | g1powermac: i'd have to look, but i don't have the expansion port pinouts |
| 17:05.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping ping ping |
| 17:06.36 | CosmicPenguin | thinks prpplague just hit a jackpot on the slot machine |
| 17:06.53 | SpeedEvil | Three coconuts! |
| 17:06.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i did, someone finally posted the gspi8686 firmware files |
| 17:07.02 | CosmicPenguin | nice |
| 17:07.36 | g1powermac | woah cool |
| 17:08.30 | landley | solar: I like to script qemu, so I can pipe stuff into stdin and stdout. But if you prefer the terminal, that's fine too... |
| 17:08.35 | SpeedEvil | What 's QSPI? |
| 17:08.35 | g1powermac | so does this mean we actually don't have to use the zipit's kernel for wireless now? |
| 17:09.02 | landley | I guess whatever the qemu "default" behavior is for a box with no graphics card... |
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| 17:09.19 | prpplague | generic SPI interface for the 802.11 |
| 17:09.28 | prpplague | g1powermac: correct |
| 17:09.34 | g1powermac | beautiful |
| 17:09.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: should be able to add the nessary items to the libertas driver |
| 17:11.07 | g1powermac | awesome |
| 17:11.22 | prpplague | hmm, someone's even posted the code: http://www.pudn.com/downloads76/sourcecode/embed/detail284837.html |
| 17:11.36 | g1powermac | kewl |
| 17:11.56 | CosmicPenguin | that doesn't exactly sound like a reliable legal source though.. :) |
| 17:12.24 | g1powermac | bah, discuss legal stuff after the driver has been made ;-) |
| 17:12.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 17:13.09 | CosmicPenguin | I never encourage illegal behavior, even if it is for noble ends |
| 17:13.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the thing is that the code marvell distributes for their gspi driver is all marked GPL with the exception of the firmware |
| 17:13.44 | CosmicPenguin | yep |
| 17:13.49 | CosmicPenguin | because they don't own their firmware |
| 17:14.08 | CosmicPenguin | At least, that was the reason I was given |
| 17:14.22 | prpplague | but the make companies sign an nda saying they can't distribute the source |
| 17:14.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: prime example is the zipitv2 |
| 17:14.55 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
| 17:15.00 | g1powermac | yup |
| 17:15.19 | CosmicPenguin | I was told they use a third-party RTOS, and that was the reason for the closed soure |
| 17:15.30 | CosmicPenguin | I know not if that is true or just an exuse |
| 17:15.45 | CosmicPenguin | excuse |
| 17:15.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that is true for the firmware, but that doesn't apply to the GPL driver |
| 17:15.51 | CosmicPenguin | man - my c key is dead |
| 17:15.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which they restrict |
| 17:16.09 | CosmicPenguin | oh, I didn't know that |
| 17:16.11 | SpeedEvil | CosmicPenguin: have you been feeding your keyboard too many crumbs? |
| 17:16.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the zipitv2 drivers are two modules and both claim as GPL when they are loaded |
| 17:16.24 | CosmicPenguin | SpeedEvil: appparently so |
| 17:16.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but the source isn't available |
| 17:16.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: oh, you know what that is? |
| 17:16.45 | CosmicPenguin | thats just plain - make the warnings go away because we don't understand the legalities |
| 17:16.54 | g1powermac | prpplague, interesting |
| 17:16.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well i have a copy of the code |
| 17:17.04 | CosmicPenguin | Not all parts of the world let legal things get in the way of making stuff work |
| 17:17.05 | g1powermac | haven't been able to get to the system yet on my zipit |
| 17:17.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all but the firmware is marked GPL and has the gpl license text |
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| 17:17.23 | g1powermac | due to not having a minisd to full sd adapter |
| 17:17.57 | SpeedEvil | wonders what the UK implications are of using NDAd documents. |
| 17:18.13 | SpeedEvil | (if you haven't signed, and have gotten them unauthorisedly) |
| 17:19.26 | g1powermac | hmm, this should work: http://www.standardics.nxp.com/products/bridges/i2c.spi.slave.uart.irda.gpio/ |
| 17:19.33 | g1powermac | in regards to the i2c to uart thing |
| 17:19.47 | SpeedEvil | nxp are bastards WRT small qty |
| 17:20.06 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 17:20.52 | SpeedEvil | IME at least. |
| 17:21.44 | g1powermac | I can order samples from them. . . |
| 17:21.59 | SpeedEvil | How? |
| 17:22.09 | g1powermac | http://www.nxp.com/#/pip/pip=[pip=SC16IS740_750_760_5,jp=pricing]|pp=[v=d,t=pip,i=SC16IS740_750_760_5,fi=51852,ps=0][0] |
| 17:22.13 | SpeedEvil | got an representative? |
| 17:22.28 | g1powermac | scroll down to the pricing/ordering/availability table |
| 17:23.03 | g1powermac | or I can just buy it on digikey |
| 17:23.08 | g1powermac | http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Detail?name=568-4185-ND |
| 17:23.16 | SpeedEvil | that works. |
| 17:23.27 | SpeedEvil | digikey doesn't stock a couple of parts I was looking for though. |
| 17:23.32 | SpeedEvil | And they don't sample all things. |
| 17:23.34 | prpplague | the other question is there a linux driver for it? |
| 17:23.54 | g1powermac | prpplague, that is a question |
| 17:24.07 | g1powermac | I'm not one to know |
| 17:24.22 | g1powermac | of course I could push myself to figure out how to make a device driver for it |
| 17:24.27 | g1powermac | if there aren't any |
| 17:24.30 | SpeedEvil | Also - look through the sample link |
| 17:24.39 | SpeedEvil | 'THIS SERVICE IS ONLY OPEN TO CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE DIRECT PURCHASING AGREEMENTS WITH NXP.' |
| 17:24.48 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 17:25.05 | g1powermac | well, $3 from digikey works :-) |
| 17:26.31 | prpplague | lordy lordy |
| 17:26.37 | prpplague | engineering meeting at 1:30 |
| 17:26.44 | prpplague | it ought to be fun |
| 17:27.39 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
| 17:27.44 | g1powermac | actually this is prolly all I need: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/us/dksus.dll?Detail?name=568-3648-5-ND |
| 17:27.58 | g1powermac | it has less stuff on it, more simple and cheaper |
| 17:28.07 | prpplague | in case any one cares the boss has started pre-ordering nail kits |
| 17:28.17 | g1powermac | ahh, nice prpplague |
| 17:28.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:29.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: the expansion connector have a eint available? or you going to run it as a polled fifo? |
| 17:30.39 | g1powermac | prolly going to have to do a polled fifo |
| 17:38.12 | ce_geek | prplague: Hi. I'm going to have to bug out for the rest of the day, I'll be back Monday. Probably going to try to write some on Sunday too. |
| 17:38.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: everything do ok today then? |
| 17:40.59 | GPSFan | prplague: pong.. whasup/ |
| 17:41.09 | ce_geek | prplague; Yeah. I've actually only been at my desk for half an hour, just long enough to try the second sensor. The next thing I need to do is document everything I've done. I've got some things that I want to ask you more questions about too, the documentation will help me identify those more specifically. |
| 17:41.45 | prpplague | ce_geek: okie dokie |
| 17:42.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey, someone has posted the firmware for the 8686 gspi driver |
| 17:42.04 | ce_geek | prplague: Have a good weekend. |
| 17:42.08 | prpplague | ce_geek: you too |
| 17:42.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: it matches what you pulled off the zipit |
| 17:42.42 | GPSFan | prplague: ah, is that a legal source? |
| 17:42.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: its on the libertas mailing list |
| 17:43.14 | prpplague | plenty of marvell folks on the list |
| 17:43.24 | prpplague | i think if it was a problem someone would have complained |
| 17:43.28 | GPSFan | !! well then there should be a flurry of activity in geting spi going then. |
| 17:43.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 17:44.04 | GPSFan | IIRC that was the last hurdle to a serious dev effort. |
| 17:44.13 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:44.14 | g1powermac | GPSFan, looks like custom kernels on the zipit will be possible soon :-) |
| 17:44.31 | g1powermac | well, still need a serial port or jtag on it |
| 17:45.03 | g1powermac | eventually setup that xraying with prpplague maybe next month or so, want to play with the software first |
| 17:45.38 | prpplague | i'm guessing that the zipit folks have hidden their jtag behind some logic onboard |
| 17:46.03 | GPSFan | g1powermac: they are now, just 2 issues, 1) danger of bricking. 2) lack of wifi dirvers. Hoopefully #2 will soon be eliminated. and perhaps with prplague's help #1 will be reduced. |
| 17:46.37 | g1powermac | prpplague, hopefully not, but there's always that chance |
| 17:46.49 | prpplague | i figured tom would have removed the chips off the one he bricked |
| 17:47.22 | prpplague | i find it terrible had to believe that they didn't use jtag to initially program their boards |
| 17:47.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: are their any hi-res photos of the board posted anywhere? |
| 17:48.01 | g1powermac | hmm, would you guys think a scanner might give a good hi-res image? |
| 17:48.15 | g1powermac | we got a halfway decent scanner here |
| 17:48.28 | GPSFan | prplague: not with enough detail. the rear of the board is used for the keyboard and there is an opaque mask over it, so you can't see any of the traces. |
| 17:48.29 | prpplague | naw just need a good camera that does macro |
| 17:48.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: is there a complete chiplist? |
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| 17:48.52 | GPSFan | prplague: it looks like a 4 layer board. |
| 17:49.01 | g1powermac | prpplague, no, there isn't |
| 17:49.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: i assume you guys are keeping things listed somewhere other than the elinux wiki |
| 17:49.07 | g1powermac | even in the restricted part of the site |
| 17:49.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, if I get approved, all my stuff will be going on sourceforge |
| 17:50.27 | GPSFan | prplague: there really hasn't been much work done, interest on #zipit has dropped off considerably, and there hasn't been a new post to the yahoo group in quite a while. |
| 17:51.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 17:51.04 | g1powermac | is really the only serious new blood to #zipit atm |
| 17:51.20 | GPSFan | g1powermac: welcome aboard. |
| 17:51.27 | g1powermac | hehe, thanks :-) |
| 17:51.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm wondering if the zipit folks realize how much they shot themselves in the foot over no jtag |
| 17:51.59 | GPSFan | g1powermac: btw what ever happened with that skype/linux phone you were working on? |
| 17:52.12 | g1powermac | hahah, was wondering when someone was going to ask that |
| 17:52.24 | g1powermac | its still, umm, sitting on a shelf ;-) |
| 17:52.58 | g1powermac | it seems the need for a phone system here at the store has waned and I stopped work on all that stuff |
| 17:53.42 | GPSFan | prplague: or serial. board bringup must have been a bear, what with all the rework on the boards. btw there is a second rev of the board pictured on the fcc web site dated oct. everyone so far has gotten the yellow wire boards dated aug. |
| 17:54.58 | g1powermac | I should try hacking the wifi phone again |
| 17:55.05 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I know the feeling, I have lots of projects just "sitting on the shelf" |
| 17:55.25 | g1powermac | might not be so hard since I've already learned a heck of a lot just trying to get qtopia cross built for a new device |
| 17:55.39 | ds2 | the lack of jtag seems to be a trend. the newer motorola Linux phones apparently have no jtag either |
| 17:55.44 | g1powermac | was planning on doing that for the wifi phone too |
| 17:55.51 | prpplague | hmm, guess i need to do two seperate boards for qemu |
| 17:55.55 | GPSFan | g1powermac: btw you were going to post your device profile for qt. |
| 17:56.02 | prpplague | one for the hammer carrier and one for the nail board |
| 17:56.18 | g1powermac | yup, I will, once I get approval for my sourceforge project |
| 17:56.28 | GPSFan | g1powermac: ah, ok |
| 17:56.36 | g1powermac | I'll be posting all my stuff and knowledge there |
| 17:57.21 | g1powermac | now of course is the legality of posting the hardware specs of the zipit on sourceforge |
| 17:57.33 | g1powermac | of course I could just gather the specs from the chips on the board |
| 17:57.47 | g1powermac | and I'd figure that would bypass that agreement |
| 17:59.29 | g1powermac | you know, looking at this pic, there's alot of gold contacts sporadically placed around the cpu: http://www.drtune.com/zipit2/bigboard1.jpg |
| 17:59.42 | g1powermac | make me wonder if any of them are serial or jtag |
| 18:03.49 | prpplague | g1powermac: is every pin on the expansion headed listed with a connection? |
| 18:03.54 | g1powermac | the other interesting things on the mobo are the circled pads that are covered with solder mask |
| 18:03.57 | g1powermac | yes |
| 18:05.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I spent about an hour the other day with a scope looking at many of those test points, nothing useful. I even de soldered the wifi shield since there are a lot more under it right next to the cpu. which is also near where the rx & tx balls for the first serial port ar. |
| 18:05.47 | g1powermac | oh, hmm |
| 18:06.07 | g1powermac | what about the unmarked circled pads covered in soldermask? |
| 18:07.07 | g1powermac | well, un-named |
| 18:07.39 | g1powermac | if I had the money, I'd buy a second one just to rip apart |
| 18:07.39 | GPSFan | I might have misses something, but I thought there might be a good chance that the rx &tx were brought to the tp's under the wifi shield. but alas no indication of blob sending stuff out them. The next thing to do is to probe them while sending data out via a program. Maybe they disabled blob's serial port messages. |
| 18:07.57 | g1powermac | maybe |
| 18:08.15 | g1powermac | has a halfway decent scope and a logic analyzer here |
| 18:08.31 | g1powermac | prpplague can attest to the la :-) |
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| 18:08.59 | g1powermac | wonders if prpplague ever built his minila |
| 18:09.10 | prpplague | no i sold them to a guy in the UK |
| 18:10.51 | g1powermac | all of them? |
| 18:11.29 | g1powermac | forgot who that guy was that bought them from you. . . |
| 18:12.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: you checked those resistors over on the right side of the cpu |
| 18:12.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm willing to bet thats where the jtag is |
| 18:13.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea looks like R1101 goes directly to where i'd expect the jtag to be |
| 18:13.40 | GPSFan | prplague: no, I have no way to easily test for jtag, I did probe them during reset (looking for lots of transitions then nothing) didn't see anything that might have been the blob sign on message. |
| 18:14.41 | GPSFan | xray of the board is the most likely road to finding out unless someone wipes the parts off a board. |
| 18:14.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm almost certain that R1101, R1103, and R1165,R1167 are the jtag |
| 18:14.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: indeed |
| 18:16.12 | prpplague | hehe if i had a board i could tell you in about 10 minutes hehe |
| 18:16.59 | g1powermac | prpplague, hmm, might be able to hook it here |
| 18:17.07 | g1powermac | need to find that jtag cable of mine |
| 18:17.28 | g1powermac | that I used to program my minila |
| 18:17.45 | g1powermac | .0 |
| 18:17.48 | g1powermac | 0.0 |
| 18:17.55 | g1powermac | oops |
| 18:18.09 | prpplague | g1powermac: probably going to need a good openocd install plus something like the flyswatter to do the testing |
| 18:19.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: all the jtag are on row R , eighth from the bottom |
| 18:19.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats exactly where that trace comes out |
| 18:19.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i'm pretty certain thats jtag |
| 18:19.46 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'll try to find that cable today |
| 18:19.58 | prpplague | you got openocd up? |
| 18:20.22 | g1powermac | no, need to also setup a real dev machine too |
| 18:20.39 | g1powermac | all the stuff I've been doing is via a vm |
| 18:21.46 | g1powermac | this is going to be fun to try to find this cable though |
| 18:21.48 | prpplague | is that a 555 timer on board? |
| 18:22.35 | g1powermac | no, its a special parallel port to jtag cable thing |
| 18:22.48 | g1powermac | I didn't build it, got it online |
| 18:23.17 | prpplague | no i meant on the zipit pcb |
| 18:23.23 | g1powermac | oh |
| 18:23.41 | prpplague | i can't tell if it says 555 or 5S5 |
| 18:24.14 | g1powermac | what general area are you looking at? |
| 18:24.37 | prpplague | just behind the expansion port on the pcb |
| 18:24.48 | prpplague | the pic i have shows AER915 5550001 |
| 18:25.22 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 18:26.39 | g1powermac | that would be a funky looking 'S' |
| 18:26.44 | GPSFan | prplague: that is probably a single chip micro like they had on the z1 to do power management. |
| 18:27.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: the TPS65021 should be power management |
| 18:28.58 | prpplague | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tps65021.html |
| 18:28.58 | prpplague | really need a chiplist going |
| 18:28.58 | g1powermac | prpplague, if I find the jtag cable and decide to crack it open, I'll get you as complete a chiplist as possible |
| 18:29.23 | g1powermac | need a good reason to crack this baby open again, it wasn't easy the first time |
| 18:29.25 | GPSFan | prplague: that seems likely as it's designed for the PXA270 |
| 18:30.46 | g1powermac | woot, the sourceforge project has been approved! |
| 18:31.51 | g1powermac | https://sourceforge.net/projects/zipit2system/ |
| 18:32.33 | g1powermac | alright time to do some real work instead of looking at chips and pics, must document! ;-) |
| 18:32.46 | GPSFan | prplague: on the z1 they had a part labeled LPC915 with the same package outline as the AER915. |
| 18:33.36 | g1powermac | GPSFan and prpplague, lemme know if you want to be devs for the project, I'll set you up |
| 18:36.27 | GPSFan | prplague: the LPC915 was an 8051 core with 2k flash. the AER915 may be a rom based version for AERonix. |
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| 19:15.18 | prpplague | returns from meeing |
| 19:16.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: interesting |
| 19:16.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: i'm wondering if the AER915 is pushing a small bootcode to the pxa270 |
| 19:19.28 | prpplague | http://www.embeddedrelated.com/groups/LPC900_users/show/2.php |
| 19:24.33 | prpplague | yea looks like pxa270 does support booting from eeprom |
| 19:24.48 | prpplague | which would explain why the jtag wasn't needed |
| 19:31.36 | g1powermac | prpplague, interesting |
| 19:31.50 | g1powermac | finally got back from putting stupid shoes away. . . |
| 19:35.09 | g1powermac | prpplague, so the question is, can we gain access to that 8051 |
| 19:35.26 | prpplague | g1powermac: this is just a guess at the momment |
| 19:35.32 | g1powermac | yea |
| 19:36.03 | prpplague | tries to decide how best to configure the qemu for the hammer board |
| 19:37.41 | g1powermac | begins uploading wiki software to sf site |
| 19:41.05 | prpplague | g1powermac: why not use the elinux wiki instead? |
| 19:42.17 | g1powermac | hmm, I guess I could, but then I'd have the general info at elinux and the code/other docs at sf |
| 19:42.32 | prpplague | solar: for the nail board do you picture exact duplication of functionality? |
| 19:42.50 | prpplague | g1powermac: thats fine |
| 19:44.48 | prpplague | goes to get kids from school |
| 19:44.49 | prpplague | bbiab |
| 19:57.25 | g1powermac | man, upload speeds to sf.net are pathetically slow |
| 20:21.29 | GPSFan | prplague: it should be fairly easy to trace out the circuit from the AER915 to the cpu. the partitioning of the main flash though has a partition for blob. there may be a gpio that can be pulled lo at startup to get it to boot frrom the AER915 instead of flash. there would still need to be a way to load a mtd flasher program and data to program the main flash with. |
| 20:22.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, just a thought at the momment |
| 20:22.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: could be the program is nothing more than a util to load from the expansion port |
| 20:22.55 | prpplague | pokes GPSFan in the eye for doing typos of his nick |
| 20:24.05 | GPSFan | without a schematic it's hard to know what's what. all sorts of stuff is possible. btw I use nic completion and I can see a mispelled prpplague in my nicklist. |
| 20:24.51 | g1powermac | prpplague, btw, i scavenged up a massive macro lens from a previous unbuilt project, might be able to get really good closeup shots of the board now |
| 20:24.51 | prpplague | where the heck did that come from |
| 20:24.55 | GPSFan | ~whaleshap prpplague |
| 20:25.01 | GPSFan | ~whaleslap prpplague |
| 20:25.02 | purl | ACTION beats prpplague upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:25.13 | g1powermac | haha |
| 20:25.28 | GPSFan | prpplague: you have a ghost |
| 20:25.29 | prpplague | hmm must have done that yesterday |
| 20:25.33 | g1powermac | now back to cracking up the zipit without breaking anything else |
| 20:25.41 | *** kick/#edev [prplague!n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com] by prpplague (prpplague) |
| 20:26.16 | g1powermac | man, this lens is huge. . . |
| 20:26.21 | g1powermac | forgot about this sucker |
| 20:26.59 | g1powermac | about 1cm thick, about 4cm in diameter of glass |
| 20:27.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: where did the sparkfuncamera page go on the wiki? |
| 20:27.15 | prpplague | should still be there |
| 20:27.55 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/Sparkfun_Camera |
| 20:31.43 | GPSFan | the link in the sparkfun forums must be broken or incorrect then I was reading some of their camera threads and clicked on a liny prpplague posted there and it went to a non-existant page |
| 20:32.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea the format of the page names changed when we move to the new wiki about a year ago |
| 20:32.33 | prpplague | i'll log in and repost |
| 20:34.17 | g1powermac | yea, can definitely get really good macro shots with this chunk of glass |
| 20:41.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=2442&start=345 |
| 20:42.15 | prpplague | wmat: ping |
| 20:42.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: mo-betta... |
| 20:48.48 | prpplague | this handheld is a complete disaster |
| 21:04.51 | g1powermac | woot, only 10 more mb to upload |
| 21:05.01 | g1powermac | taking forever to upload 24mb |
| 21:07.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok the wiki page is updated and correct |
| 21:07.58 | GPSFan | prpplague: swell. |
| 21:08.12 | GPSFan | g1powermac: sourceforge is slllloooooowwww. |
| 21:08.15 | prpplague | didn't realize people were still tinkering with that camera |
| 21:08.51 | prpplague | is depressed |
| 21:09.09 | prpplague | this is the worst design i've ever worked on in my professional carrer |
| 21:09.10 | GPSFan | still seems to be some interest I wonder if the PXA270's camera interface could handle it. |
| 21:09.21 | prpplague | it should |
| 21:09.48 | g1powermac | hopefully it can handle the 1.3 megapixel one I got |
| 21:11.21 | prpplague | enjoys adding info to the wiki |
| 21:11.26 | prpplague | i just wish i had more time to do it |
| 21:11.33 | GPSFan | g1powermac: after reading the sparkfun forums about the E700 camera I can see how you thought that you might not need the i2c, and it may work without touching the i2c, just the mode might not be something easy to use. |
| 21:12.17 | g1powermac | :-) |
| 21:12.50 | GPSFan | it may also be that to get the fumm 1.3mpixel res you need to be in jpeg mode. |
| 21:12.59 | g1powermac | wow, sf must got an upgraded connection, only got 3 mb left now |
| 21:13.01 | GPSFan | s/fumm/full |
| 21:13.04 | g1powermac | ;-) |
| 21:16.07 | g1powermac | GPSFan, maybe so |
| 21:19.33 | GPSFan | g1powermac: your sf page is now saying down for maint. does that mean you are still uploading stuff? |
| 21:20.02 | g1powermac | no, sf just went down for maintenance |
| 21:21.08 | g1powermac | hopefully doesn't mess up my upload which is just about done |
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| 21:26.24 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 21:34.08 | g1powermac | bah dang it |
| 21:34.25 | g1powermac | I uploaded the stupid thing to the wrong spot and it won't let me move it. . . |
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| 21:38.18 | g1powermac | woah, with that maintenance thing, upload speeds are through the roof |
| 21:38.32 | g1powermac | 566kb! |
| 21:38.56 | g1powermac | well, at least the re upload will be quick |
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| 21:42.16 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 21:43.23 | RobotGuy | Hi g1powermac |
| 21:46.24 | g1powermac | hows it going? |
| 21:55.51 | RobotGuy | OK |
| 22:01.52 | g1powermac | hey SpeedEvil, would you consider selling one of your gsm modules? |
| 22:02.16 | SpeedEvil | where are you? |
| 22:02.27 | g1powermac | in the state of KY |
| 22:02.53 | SpeedEvil | Not really practical - shipping with tracking is expensive to US. |
| 22:03.13 | g1powermac | hmm, what country are you in? |
| 22:03.33 | SpeedEvil | UK. |
| 22:03.40 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 22:04.08 | g1powermac | global priority shouldn't be all too expensive |
| 22:04.16 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 22:04.24 | SpeedEvil | global priority is from the US. |
| 22:04.44 | SpeedEvil | To the US - for me - is royal mail - though actually I don't htink they can supply tracking. |
| 22:04.45 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 22:05.45 | SpeedEvil | Also - there is the whole thing about I haven't tested it, and returns problems. |
| 22:06.32 | g1powermac | hmm, true |
| 22:17.05 | g1powermac | meh, sf doesn't use php5 |
| 22:22.22 | RobotGuy | When somebody asks me what state I am in, I say "Altered" |
| 22:23.03 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, heh, then you should live out here :-) |
| 22:23.12 | g1powermac | they're all 'altered' out here |
| 22:23.59 | RobotGuy | No thanks. I spent four long months in SC and hated it. I had to 'escape' to get out of there due to being with some not nice people. |
| 22:24.16 | g1powermac | hmm, fun |
| 22:24.52 | RobotGuy | Had to leave about a $1000.00 of my stuff behind - just got the clothes on my back and my phone (without charger, had to replace that). |
| 22:25.11 | g1powermac | ouch |
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| 22:37.33 | g1powermac | meh, screw the wiki |
| 22:38.47 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: What's wrong? |
| 22:39.17 | g1powermac | first sf doesn't use php5, which mediawiki requires |
| 22:39.30 | g1powermac | then the old version that doesn't require it isn't working |
| 22:39.39 | g1powermac | I'm just going for wordpress |
| 22:39.47 | g1powermac | I know it more anyhow |
| 22:40.18 | prpplague | ~seen beewoolie |
| 22:40.21 | purl | beewoolie <n=elf@206-124-142-26.buici.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 735d 20h 35m 24s ago, saying: 'I've got to go back to the driver hacking...'. |
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| 22:43.05 | prpplague | g1powermac wiki takes some getting used to |
| 22:43.17 | prpplague | g1powermac but once you get the hang of it, its pretty easy |
| 22:45.23 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, I wouldn't mind using it if it would work on sf |
| 22:45.35 | g1powermac | I might just use the elinux wiki instead |
| 22:45.46 | g1powermac | I'll use wordpress to make announcements and stuff |
| 22:45.50 | prpplague | yea the thing is, by using elinux you get the benefit of all the other existing pages |
| 22:46.22 | g1powermac | yea |
| 22:59.25 | g1powermac | ugh, it must be something funky with how sf does their hosting, as wp ain't working either |
| 23:00.18 | g1powermac | bah, I'll just handcode up some super basic html |
| 23:01.01 | g1powermac | there: http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/ ;-) |
| 23:11.58 | solar | prpplague: so you have a qemu-patch for the nail? |
| 23:12.37 | solar | qemu-0.9.0 by chance? |
| 23:32.17 | roxfan | sf has wiki now |
| 23:32.23 | roxfan | you could use that |
| 23:32.24 | RobotGuy | I have both MediaWiki and TikiWiki working on my hoster. :D |
| 23:32.43 | RobotGuy | As well as other software like SMF for forums and Serendipity for Blogs. |
| 23:33.00 | g1powermac | roxfan, hmm |
| 23:33.24 | roxfan | http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/ |
| 23:33.39 | roxfan | hm this one looks like mediawiki |
| 23:33.50 | roxfan | i think sf offers something else |
| 23:34.22 | SpeedEvil | Usenet FTW. |
| 23:34.43 | SpeedEvil | wishes that the fragmentation out to eleventy-billion forums hadn't happened. |
| 23:38.25 | roxfan | ah here's an example http://alexandria.wiki.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:47.45 | RobotGuy | I get tired of this remaking GCC all the time/ |
| 23:52.18 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 23:55.58 | g1powermac | bbiab, going home |
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