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| 00:28.20 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: hey |
| 00:30.22 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: I took a look at your patch again, and I think it MIGHT be possible (with a few mods to the driver) to use the drivers without a new kernel. I'm going to look into it in more detail tomorrow, baring local disasters. |
| 00:31.26 | g1powermac_PB | k, sounds good |
| 00:33.24 | GPSFan | my thinking is this: the only change to the actual kernel code is to add a named platform device entry. no actual code changes. so if we use the name pxa2xx-udc in the driver instead of pxa27x-udc, it might just find the device. |
| 00:34.05 | g1powermac_PB | thats what prpplague was thinking |
| 00:34.43 | GPSFan | oh, I didn't see his posts. well anyway, I think it's worth a try. |
| 00:36.16 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I kinda shucked it off since I don't have the knowledge to attempt something like that |
| 00:39.03 | GPSFan | \the only change would be to change the .name entry in 2 places in the patch where it's pxa27x-udc. |
| 00:39.08 | GPSFan | bbl dinner.. |
| 00:43.32 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 00:44.02 | g1powermac_PB | well, I'm gonna prep my zipit to be shipped tomorrow, bbl |
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| 00:55.06 | g1powermac_apl | man, this $10 lighted magnifying visor was well worth the money |
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| 01:26.49 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: well the pxa-udc module I built loads without errors. |
| 01:27.34 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, figures, I already took mine apart |
| 01:27.50 | g1powermac_PB | did get a shot of the back |
| 01:27.52 | GPSFan | and so does the g_ether.ko module.. |
| 01:28.12 | GPSFan | I'm off again, cul.. |
| 01:28.16 | g1powermac_PB | k |
| 01:28.36 | g1powermac_PB | figures though |
| 01:38.18 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: if you can get me a dmesg showing the modules being loaded, that'd be great |
| 01:38.24 | g1powermac_PB | would love to see what it says |
| 01:42.27 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: http://www.pastebin.ca/1004548 |
| 01:43.27 | g1powermac_PB | interesting |
| 01:44.11 | g1powermac_PB | thats alot less messages then when I loaded the dummy module the last time |
| 01:45.22 | GPSFan | of courseI have no idea if it works or not, that remains to be seen. |
| 01:46.28 | g1powermac_PB | man, now I won't be able to test till at least a week or so from now |
| 01:46.54 | GPSFan | http://www.pastebin.ca/1004554 |
| 01:47.19 | GPSFan | yeah, but then we will have the results of the x-ray.. |
| 01:48.34 | g1powermac_PB | ya |
| 01:49.02 | GPSFan | have you made up a cable yet? |
| 01:49.19 | g1powermac_PB | not yet |
| 01:49.46 | g1powermac_PB | just did the first soldering I've done in prolly a year, desoldering the speaker :-) |
| 01:50.17 | GPSFan | ah, the rear connector is fairly small, best to practice a bit. |
| 01:50.47 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 01:51.39 | g1powermac_PB | and giving me a week off from this project is prolly a good thing :-) |
| 01:52.25 | g1powermac_PB | gets a bit intense when starting new projects and I really need to get other stuff done ;-) |
| 01:54.42 | GPSFan | here is the formula for fixing the patch. 1) change 27x to 2xx in line 2633, 2) delete the first hunk (lines 1-15) |
| 01:55.39 | g1powermac_PB | k |
| 01:55.50 | g1powermac_PB | hopefully we won't have to do that soon |
| 01:58.03 | GPSFan | we will probably have to create a char device in /dev of name ep0 |
| 02:00.31 | GPSFan | maybe not. ep0 is what ifconfig will use. prpplague will know. |
| 02:01.01 | GPSFan | he is Mr. usb-gadget |
| 02:01.11 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 02:22.06 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
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| 03:58.57 | mbuf | do you guys ship the Hammer boards to Europe? |
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| 05:36.30 | mbuf | the Hammer boards can be shipped from China/Taiwan/Singapore/Hong Kong? |
| 05:39.46 | ohsix | hot: http://www.industrialcontroldesignline.com/news/206905243 |
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| 07:21.09 | [AD]Turbo | hi all |
| 07:42.12 | roxfan | when i set TCK on my olimex arm-jtag, i get only 1v level... any idea how to get it to at least 2.5? (the other outputs seem to work fine...) |
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| 11:24.17 | g1powermac_PB | hey all |
| 11:24.27 | g1powermac_PB | does anyone want an engine to a food processor? |
| 11:24.58 | SpeedEvil | A v12 engine food processor? |
| 11:25.01 | g1powermac_PB | a part cracked on it the other day making it useless, but the engine still works fine |
| 11:25.14 | SpeedEvil | Will It Blend! (Toyota Prius) |
| 11:25.17 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 11:28.38 | g1powermac_PB | should read his embedded linux book a bit |
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| 11:48.37 | g1powermac_PB | morning GPSFan |
| 11:49.17 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: morning. |
| 11:50.02 | g1powermac_PB | is trying to barter away the motor to his now broken food processor, but no one seems to want it ;-_ |
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| 11:50.13 | g1powermac_PB | ;-) |
| 11:50.22 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Greetings |
| 11:50.38 | g1powermac_PB | heya RobotGuy |
| 11:50.50 | RobotGuy | It would take a pair of those for most robotics folks to be interested. :) |
| 11:51.17 | g1powermac_PB | heh, guess so, but you could maybe build a small helicopter with it :-) |
| 11:51.31 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hmmm, flying robot.. |
| 11:51.43 | g1powermac_PB | it does get pretty fast |
| 11:52.00 | RobotGuy | Even if I could use it, I have nothing to barter. |
| 11:52.16 | g1powermac_PB | ya sure? |
| 11:52.44 | g1powermac_PB | I'll even take old electronic scrap with alot of through hole chips on it |
| 11:56.00 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: you're stateside? |
| 11:57.09 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Yeah, I'm sure. I'd feel obligated to use it in a project if I got it, and I do NOT need another project right now. :D |
| 11:57.15 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Greets |
| 12:00.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:00.55 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: yup |
| 12:01.12 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hehe, I know the feeling |
| 12:01.15 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: not really practical then :) |
| 12:01.21 | SpeedEvil | is from scotland. |
| 12:01.39 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: generally, unless I ship ground, but that'll take a month to get to you :-) |
| 12:01.50 | RobotGuy | The Scottish have great accent, especially the women. :) |
| 12:03.55 | g1powermac_PB | has a NYC accent :-) |
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| 12:25.23 | RobotGuy | goes on a sampling binge |
| 12:27.50 | SpeedEvil | passes RobotGuy 5 seconds of 'Baby Got Back' by Sir Mix-a-lot. |
| 12:28.17 | RobotGuy | Hmmm, can't recall ever hearing that song. |
| 12:28.58 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41APzy5kqBU |
| 12:35.12 | RobotGuy | I have parts from TI and ADI coming to me now. |
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| 12:37.05 | chouimat | has to stay home today to wait for his new couch |
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| 12:56.07 | RobotGuy | I hope http://www.littlechips.com/LN2440SBC.htm has a picture of a prototype, not the production unit. |
| 12:56.26 | RobotGuy | I am going to a Robotics Club meeting today. |
| 12:57.27 | g1powermac_PB | should've read this embedded linux book awhile ago |
| 12:57.30 | g1powermac_PB | its quite good |
| 12:57.36 | RobotGuy | Which one? |
| 12:57.58 | g1powermac_PB | "Embedded Linux Primer" by Christopher Hallinan |
| 12:58.35 | g1powermac_PB | its pretty new, it was released in 2007 |
| 13:00.13 | RobotGuy | That looks like a worthwhile book, based on the description. |
| 13:04.40 | RobotGuy | I could easily spend $1000.00 on just on technical books if I had that sort of money. |
| 13:06.16 | SpeedEvil | Any reviews on amazon? |
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| 13:09.51 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hehe, I think I spent that much in culmination ;-) |
| 13:10.43 | g1powermac_PB | got like a mini library going here. . .though not all the books are electronic/linux/programming related |
| 13:11.22 | RobotGuy | DigiKeey has what they term as XBeePro Modules for $23.00 USD. Is this the DIL module used on many boards or just the IC? |
| 13:11.36 | g1powermac_PB | I despise reading stuff in length on my computers due to an eye issue I have, so I tend to get books |
| 13:12.08 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: read the datasheet |
| 13:12.17 | RobotGuy | I have a problem with that too - always have to bump the fonts two or three levels so I can read them. That could just be an age thing though. |
| 13:12.31 | SpeedEvil | I like reading on my laptop. |
| 13:13.15 | SpeedEvil | It's light enough to balance on one hand, and I can run ebooks through a script to backreference. So that names that have not occurred in the last couple of pages get hyperlinks back to the first occurance. |
| 13:17.40 | g1powermac_PB | I think its the backlighting for me, I have to lower the brightness to begin with just so I can my machines |
| 13:17.53 | g1powermac_PB | can *use |
| 13:18.08 | SpeedEvil | Adding external lighting can help |
| 13:18.19 | SpeedEvil | so that the background is at the same brightness as the screen |
| 13:18.29 | g1powermac_PB | I've done that too |
| 13:18.38 | RobotGuy | I found the right one. :) |
| 13:18.57 | g1powermac_PB | though one of my external lights died at my office at the store :( |
| 13:19.04 | g1powermac_PB | need to replace it one day |
| 13:19.20 | RobotGuy | My eyes are just old and I need to get them checked. |
| 13:19.34 | g1powermac_PB | I think the ballast in the fluorescent light went |
| 13:20.27 | RobotGuy | Now I just have to find a good 2.4 GHz antenna with a u.fl connector and appropriate cable. |
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| 13:37.00 | RobotGuy | I'm upgrading a non-working router to a Wifi-N router next week. Only $20.00 difference from the one I bought that stopped working. |
| 13:39.08 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you do realize that 802.11n specification hasn't been approved yet |
| 13:39.23 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, I know. |
| 13:39.24 | g1powermac | heya prpplague |
| 13:39.30 | prpplague | g1powermac: morning |
| 13:39.36 | RobotGuy | I am not going to be using the N parts - just B/G |
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| 13:52.58 | SpeedEvil | go A! |
| 13:54.17 | prpplague | go B |
| 13:56.21 | SpeedEvil | is using 802.11A for his UAV - as one of the links. |
| 13:56.45 | SpeedEvil | Works great with dishes, and is less contaminated. |
| 13:56.51 | RobotGuy | I almost forgot, four domains of mine come due today. |
| 13:56.53 | prpplague | is using a subspace signal for his UAV - as one of the links |
| 13:57.15 | RobotGuy | You making fun of me? |
| 13:57.27 | GPSFan | uses the hyperspace bypass, no need for a UAV |
| 13:57.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: is that with out without the tolltag? |
| 13:57.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: s/out/or |
| 13:58.07 | GPSFan | indeed, I removed the vogon inbiteayor 6 months ago. |
| 13:58.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:58.52 | RobotGuy | I have a PARTS meeting to go to. BBL. |
| 13:59.38 | GPSFan | prpplague: I fixed g1powermac's backport of the pxa-udc driver, no new kernel needed, just a little re-naming in the driver. it loads along with the g-ether.ko module |
| 13:59.51 | GPSFan | without errors. |
| 13:59.56 | prpplague | hmm PARTS meeting on friday morning? |
| 14:00.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i figured that might be nessary |
| 14:00.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: what did you have to rename? |
| 14:01.35 | prpplague | i just don't seem to really care for strongarm or xscale compared to standard arm cores |
| 14:02.19 | prpplague | has a wonderfull engineering meeting in 30 minutes :( |
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| 14:03.49 | GPSFan | I looked at the pxa-udc stuff already in the kernel and saw that it was named pxa2xx-udc, so that's waht I used. http://www.pastebin.ca/1004986 |
| 14:05.18 | GPSFan | there are 2 names involved, the name of the device the driver looks for (pxa2xx-udc) and the name the driver calls itself (pxa27x-udc) |
| 14:05.42 | GPSFan | that's why the lsmod reports pxa27x-udc |
| 14:05.44 | prpplague | <prpplague> g1powermac: well techincally you hack it up to pretend to be pxa2xx but thats alot of work |
| 14:06.26 | prpplague | yea, thats kind of what i had told g1powermac you could do, just didn't have time or the motivation to check and see what was involved |
| 14:07.07 | g1powermac | prpplague, hehe, yea, I told GPSFan that yesterday :-) |
| 14:07.40 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, he told me, I figured it out in parallel, I didn't see your info till I had it figured out. |
| 14:08.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh great minds ........ well atleast we had a similiar idea........................ |
| 14:08.59 | GPSFan | it was very simple just a 1 character change in the driver code and I also removed the first 15 lines of his patch. |
| 14:09.06 | prpplague | looks landley got another cool job |
| 14:09.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 14:09.24 | prpplague | now just need a usb cable |
| 14:09.37 | GPSFan | now if I had a cable I could try it out. ;>) |
| 14:11.17 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, the best part of it all is that GPSFan gets it working AFTER I take my zipit apart |
| 14:11.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:12.51 | g1powermac | so won't be able to test for awhile |
| 14:17.00 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:18.44 | GPSFan | g1powermac: yeah, but I was able to test it to the limit of my hardware setup. |
| 14:22.26 | g1powermac | very true, it might not have worked when tested |
| 14:23.19 | GPSFan | g1powermac: I was lucky I could have screwed up (yet again) |
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| 14:25.20 | g1powermac | hmmm, heard back from the pxa27x guy about making a patch for 2.6.21.1 |
| 14:25.28 | g1powermac | he said there's new development: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/3889 |
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| 14:28.02 | g1powermac | ok, going to the post office, bbiab |
| 14:28.09 | GPSFan | g1powermac: that looksa a lot like your patdh |
| 14:28.19 | g1powermac | its prolly very similar |
| 14:28.31 | g1powermac | just with some more work to get some more of the usb gadget stuff working |
| 14:39.48 | g1powermac | prpplague, its sent |
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| 15:15.29 | g1powermac | doesn't feel right without his zipit ;-) |
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| 15:41.27 | prpplague | returns |
| 16:01.34 | GPSFan | g1powermac: the patch here:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/3889 is for git, quilt reports it as garbage. ;>( but looking at the code it appears as though it won't need my renaming hack. once I figure out how to apply it. |
| 16:02.25 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 16:09.29 | g1powermac | is learning much on embedded linux kernel stuff atm. . . |
| 16:09.33 | g1powermac | this book is quite good |
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| 16:25.34 | Mr_Bonga | hi |
| 16:26.07 | Mr_Bonga | how can I read a register form a device character ?? |
| 16:26.10 | Mr_Bonga | :( |
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| 16:26.38 | Mr_Bonga | I can open the device, but when I try to read... it returns -1 |
| 16:37.21 | g1powermac | http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=121 |
| 16:37.25 | g1powermac | mmm, pirate radio |
| 17:04.10 | prpplague | Mr_Bonga: you a TI employee? |
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| 17:26.23 | Mr_Bonga | no prpplague |
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| 17:44.16 | prpplague | someone should really point out to SFE that a MMCMicro is not the same as a MicroSD |
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| 18:07.08 | prpplague | http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=10589 |
| 18:19.21 | g1powermac | huh, a wireless jtag programmer thingie |
| 18:19.34 | g1powermac | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8684 |
| 18:22.55 | g1powermac | holy: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8660 |
| 18:23.06 | g1powermac | I wanted to build that! |
| 18:23.11 | g1powermac | and attach it to my zipit! |
| 18:26.49 | g1powermac | man, I wish I saw that when i ordered the camera and accelerometer |
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| 18:30.18 | prpplague | looks |
| 18:30.56 | g1powermac | combined with the accelerometer, I'd have an awesome exercise monitoring system |
| 18:30.58 | prpplague | g1powermac: that wireless jtag is a waste of money imho |
| 18:31.11 | g1powermac | prpplague, yea, prolly |
| 18:31.40 | prpplague | its funny though, it explains why alot of people have had problems with the SD cards SFE sells |
| 18:32.06 | roxfan | wireless jtag does? o.o |
| 18:32.31 | g1powermac | must. . .buy. . .heart rate monitor. . . |
| 18:32.36 | prpplague | roxfan: ?? |
| 18:32.50 | roxfan | you said "it explains" |
| 18:33.23 | prpplague | roxfan: sorry i was refering to the SD card issue |
| 18:33.31 | prpplague | http://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=10589 |
| 18:33.36 | roxfan | ah |
| 18:34.23 | prpplague | roxfan: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php |
| 18:34.37 | prpplague | roxfan: check out the section on the sd card they opened up |
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| 18:39.55 | g1powermac | I should ask the sparkfun guys if they're going to get any more of those cameras in |
| 18:40.42 | prpplague | i'm sure they will |
| 18:40.52 | prpplague | ~seen davidc_ |
| 18:40.55 | purl | prpplague: i haven't seen 'davidc_' |
| 18:41.01 | g1powermac | yea, I mean they sold out really fast |
| 18:41.39 | prpplague | ~seen davidc__ |
| 18:41.40 | purl | davidc__ <n=davidc__@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 50d 21h 57m 32s ago, saying: 'MothaWork: whats wrong with flat flex?'. |
| 18:41.57 | prpplague | wonders where davidc is these days |
| 18:42.10 | g1powermac | hmmm: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8601# |
| 18:42.31 | g1powermac | nice case for this now massive expansion system I'm going to build for my zipit ;-) |
| 18:49.58 | g1powermac | might be a bit too big though |
| 18:52.21 | g1powermac | man, I should just buy a new soldering station from them too. . . |
| 18:52.29 | g1powermac | sigh, need more money ;-0 |
| 18:53.42 | prpplague | seems like halted had the 51's pretty cheap |
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| 18:57.38 | prpplague | g1powermac: one of my all time favorite irons - http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp14771-12-watts--120v-pencil-thin-soldering-iron-wm120-wel073.htm |
| 18:58.29 | g1powermac | hmm, thats really cheap |
| 18:58.31 | prpplague | g1powermac: ahh halted only has the 21's - http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp14731-40-watts-soldering-station-for-hobbyist-wlc100-wel021.htm |
| 18:58.40 | prpplague | g1powermac: the 21 isn't bad at all |
| 18:58.59 | g1powermac | does it have any temp control? |
| 18:59.25 | g1powermac | hahah, the second one posted is the one I got! |
| 18:59.56 | g1powermac | though I think the iron might be different, but the station is definitely the one I got |
| 18:59.56 | prpplague | g1powermac: you don't like the 21? |
| 19:00.38 | g1powermac | not sure if mine is actually the 21 |
| 19:00.46 | g1powermac | I just know the station is mine |
| 19:01.32 | prpplague | g1powermac: the actual number is WLC100 |
| 19:01.44 | prpplague | g1powermac: usually comes as a kit |
| 19:01.48 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 19:02.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: whats wrong with the one you have? |
| 19:02.43 | g1powermac | actually, now that I look at it, the whole thing could be different, the cord coming from the iron plugs in on the side of the station, not in the front |
| 19:03.07 | g1powermac | prpplague, not having semi precise temp control and the tip not being small enough |
| 19:03.18 | prpplague | g1powermac: hehe, just check the model number |
| 19:03.25 | prpplague | g1powermac: tips are replacable |
| 19:03.47 | g1powermac | I would if I could check the model, its at the house :-) |
| 19:04.01 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:04.17 | prpplague | g1powermac: well if you get a 1/32(0.31) conical tip, its works great |
| 19:04.28 | prpplague | g1powermac: the next step up is the 51 series |
| 19:05.04 | prpplague | g1powermac: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=217461 |
| 19:05.30 | prpplague | http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=233533 |
| 19:05.32 | g1powermac | yea, thats the kinda system I'm looking at |
| 19:05.45 | prpplague | the digital version is a little more expensive but worth it |
| 19:06.03 | g1powermac | the ones over at spark fun are quite a bit cheaper |
| 19:06.05 | prpplague | g1powermac: the 51's series has a 1/64 conical tip available |
| 19:06.12 | prpplague | looks at sfe |
| 19:06.14 | g1powermac | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=85 |
| 19:07.41 | g1powermac | you see with the one I got now, I never really know what the temp is on the thing, so I never know if I'm using enough heat or not |
| 19:07.59 | g1powermac | I've actually burnt some solder before on it |
| 19:08.19 | prpplague | yea, i know SFE tends to carry good stuff, but i'm not sure i'd use that one over the welled 51's |
| 19:08.23 | prpplague | weller |
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| 19:09.51 | SpeedEvil | uses Kada. |
| 19:10.03 | SpeedEvil | would like weller - but meh. |
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| 19:11.13 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KADA-852D-Rework-Welder-Station-SMD-SMT-Hot-AiR-Iron_W0QQitemZ140229247482QQihZ004QQcategoryZ36323QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:11.17 | prpplague | it truely amazes me how most people have no clue about the differences in removable media |
| 19:11.25 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:11.41 | prpplague | wow 35 quid isn't bad |
| 19:11.48 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, was thinking of getting a reflow station very similar to that on ebay as well |
| 19:11.49 | SpeedEvil | 70 with shipping |
| 19:12.00 | SpeedEvil | All I can say is that it works for me. |
| 19:12.29 | SpeedEvil | Though I've only got maybe a couple of hours on the soldering iron, and half an hour on the heatgun, practicing desoldering BGA. |
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| 19:13.22 | SpeedEvil | Weller - well - I'd like to have the budget, and I would like to support first world manufacturers, but... |
| 19:14.03 | g1powermac | was looking at this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/850B-SMT-SMD-HOT-AIR-REWORK-STATION-SOLDER-STATION-NEW_W0QQitemZ130219281475QQihZ003QQcategoryZ36327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:14.10 | g1powermac | but thats just the hot air station |
| 19:14.15 | g1powermac | no iron |
| 19:15.42 | g1powermac | hot air station would definitely make assembling pcbs much easier |
| 19:16.07 | g1powermac | prpplague, ya know, it was very fun to assemble my minila using my old soldering station :-) |
| 19:16.09 | SpeedEvil | Reportedly the above station is basically a 1980s design. |
| 19:16.24 | prpplague | g1powermac: i bet |
| 19:16.34 | SpeedEvil | It's just got analog controller + digital multimeter chip readout |
| 19:16.39 | g1powermac | especially when the dang thing didn't want to work at first |
| 19:17.00 | g1powermac | found I had some pins on the cpld that weren't soldered down and a very tiny solder bridge |
| 19:17.32 | g1powermac | I went crazy trying to find the problem, though I did get it working |
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| 19:18.13 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: greetings |
| 19:18.35 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: you find some boards for your class? |
| 19:18.40 | flavioribeiro | heey prpplague! how are u? :) |
| 19:18.46 | flavioribeiro | yes |
| 19:18.55 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: i'm good now that it is friday |
| 19:19.02 | flavioribeiro | now im writing a project to submit to my institute |
| 19:19.03 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: which ones did you decide on? |
| 19:19.13 | flavioribeiro | i think i will buy a hammer |
| 19:19.21 | flavioribeiro | but i found another one, let me show you |
| 19:19.23 | flavioribeiro | wait |
| 19:19.27 | prpplague | ok |
| 19:20.05 | flavioribeiro | hmm searching the url |
| 19:21.55 | flavioribeiro | http://wiki.emqbit.com/free-ecb-at91 |
| 19:22.03 | prpplague | looks |
| 19:22.21 | flavioribeiro | ok |
| 19:22.52 | g1powermac | flavioribeiro, nice little board |
| 19:24.10 | flavioribeiro | yeah |
| 19:24.12 | prpplague | yea cute, but i don't see any prices |
| 19:24.24 | prpplague | and it seems to only have 2mb serial flash |
| 19:24.30 | g1powermac | yea, was looking for that |
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| 19:24.56 | flavioribeiro | i sent an email to the company, when someone answer me i will say to you how much costs this board |
| 19:25.03 | KeyserSoze | anyone have a recommendation for a build system, suitable both for building PC apps and cross-building embedded apps? |
| 19:25.17 | KeyserSoze | is researching boost.build (jam) and SCons right now |
| 19:25.47 | g1powermac | buildroot? |
| 19:26.20 | KeyserSoze | oh, i'm not using linux or a filesystem for my embedded stuff |
| 19:26.24 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: it looks like you are familiar with the AT91 |
| 19:26.38 | prpplague | KeyserSoze: buildroot still will do it |
| 19:27.11 | flavioribeiro | no heh im not familiar with nothing in microeletronics :( but i will try to learn |
| 19:27.26 | KeyserSoze | thanks, i'll look into it |
| 19:27.43 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2816582491.html |
| 19:27.57 | prpplague | flavioribeiro: thats not you? |
| 19:28.46 | flavioribeiro | no man :( |
| 19:28.54 | flavioribeiro | its someone with the same name and country |
| 19:28.55 | g1powermac | man, another nice board |
| 19:29.18 | flavioribeiro | but i think this flavio is from Sao Paulo, im from Paraiba |
| 19:30.19 | prpplague | ahh, flavio Ribero is a common name? |
| 19:30.49 | flavioribeiro | hm.. yes i guess |
| 19:32.09 | prpplague | i'm guessing that AT91 board is going to be close to $200 USD |
| 19:32.24 | prpplague | and that doesn't even include a jtag programmer |
| 19:33.40 | flavioribeiro | hm nice |
| 19:33.43 | flavioribeiro | now im quitting |
| 19:33.47 | flavioribeiro | later i will come back |
| 19:34.57 | g1powermac | hmm, there's nothing like listening to some classic rock and doing data entry. . . . . |
| 19:37.37 | g1powermac | needs to get back to college and finish a degree already, no matter what it is. . . |
| 19:38.23 | prpplague | much prefers ambient techno for coding/data entry |
| 19:39.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: http://www.somafm.com |
| 19:39.56 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 19:39.59 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 19:40.28 | prpplague | uh oh |
| 19:40.34 | prpplague | hack time - http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS5577646083.html |
| 19:41.20 | g1powermac | hahaha |
| 19:41.27 | prpplague | i'd love to hack that |
| 19:41.34 | prpplague | its got a s3c2440 |
| 19:41.49 | g1powermac | pretty neat little device |
| 19:42.10 | RobotGuy | S3C2440A? <pwek> |
| 19:42.18 | RobotGuy | <perk> too |
| 19:42.43 | prpplague | RobotGuy: ?? |
| 19:43.09 | prpplague | yea, probably could have that running linux in like 10 minutes |
| 19:43.19 | prpplague | drivings the project might take while longer |
| 19:43.44 | g1powermac | yea |
| 19:45.42 | RobotGuy | 64MB of RAM and 32MB of flash. Not as much as I'd like, but I could work with it. :) |
| 19:46.31 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, imagine a swarm of those :-) |
| 19:46.46 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I am, I am! :) |
| 19:47.39 | g1powermac | forget the beowulf cluster! ;-) |
| 19:47.55 | RobotGuy | Is Alchemy an AMD chip still? |
| 19:48.00 | prpplague | RobotGuy: no |
| 19:48.09 | prpplague | why would you want to use that for a cluster? |
| 19:48.13 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: A swarming beowulf cluster! |
| 19:48.35 | g1powermac | ooo, multi-level clustered swarming robot overlords! :-) |
| 19:48.38 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Do you understand about swarm robotics? |
| 19:49.11 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It's a mesh network of robots all communicating and helping with common tasks. |
| 19:49.24 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yes i believe i do, which is why i asked why that pmp would be desireable for that |
| 19:49.47 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It has an S3C2440A on it and good feature set. I like it. |
| 19:49.54 | SpeedEvil | You've got to be able to broadcast the princess Leia speech of course. |
| 19:50.01 | g1powermac | plus it projects stuff |
| 19:50.10 | g1powermac | can't go wrong with that when making a swarm |
| 19:50.11 | prpplague | uh ok, well wait till you see the price since what you are paying for is the projector |
| 19:50.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I am covering my eyes. I don't wanna know! |
| 19:51.16 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, go apply for a research grant from your university :-) |
| 19:52.10 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I do not have a university. |
| 19:52.15 | g1powermac | oh, dang |
| 19:52.32 | g1powermac | makes getting free money a bit more difficult :-) |
| 19:52.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: More like impossible. |
| 19:53.13 | prpplague | RobotGuy: surelly there are some universities in the seattle/portland area |
| 19:53.16 | RobotGuy | Not that I want free money anyways - it usually has strings attached at some point. |
| 19:53.31 | RobotGuy | prpplague: There are, but I am not in school. |
| 19:53.31 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, yea, usually |
| 19:53.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: that doesn't mean anything |
| 19:54.07 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: PARTS has members of PSU come to the meetings sometimes and do presentations. Basysian Particle Filters was the last one. |
| 19:54.18 | RobotGuy | Baysian. |
| 19:54.48 | prpplague | goes to acquire his offspring from the central knowledge distribution structure |
| 19:55.33 | RobotGuy | I need a phone, or something, with GPS. |
| 19:55.40 | g1powermac | hmm |
| 19:55.54 | g1powermac | give me about a year, and I'll prolly have gps on my zipit too |
| 19:56.02 | g1powermac | with the rate I'm going. . . |
| 19:56.04 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: I would suggest one, but it's not available yet. |
| 19:56.25 | g1powermac | camera, accelerometer, gsm module, heart rate monitor. . . |
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| 19:56.54 | RobotGuy | I want to know what http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS4717633693.html has under the hood. |
| 19:56.58 | g1powermac | and don't forget usb gadget support |
| 19:57.12 | SpeedEvil | usb host support? |
| 19:57.21 | g1powermac | no, no usb host |
| 19:57.33 | RobotGuy | No, wait, USB Host. |
| 19:57.45 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: do you happen to know if 'USB2 OTG' means that you can use USB2 peripherals at USB2 speeds? Wondering on the samsung sc6400 specs. |
| 19:57.58 | MothaWork | USB2 speeds include low, full, and high |
| 19:58.04 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 19:58.18 | MothaWork | if they don't say USB2 "High Speed", chances are they only mean low/full |
| 19:58.49 | SpeedEvil | checks email to see if he has any from samsung. |
| 19:59.19 | RobotGuy | I hope http://www.littlechips.com/LN2440SBC.htm is just a picture of a prototype.. |
| 19:59.39 | RobotGuy | The top one. |
| 19:59.39 | MothaWork | the public unfortunatley believes that "USB 2.0" automatically implies high speed |
| 19:59.39 | MothaWork | there are tons of USB 2.0 compliant full speed and even low speed devices out there |
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| 20:00.24 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: S3C6400. :) |
| 20:01.01 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
| 20:06.29 | RobotGuy | I wonder where Sienna has been hiding herself. |
| 20:11.22 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: hows the preemptive law suit coming? |
| 20:12.25 | g1powermac | hmm, graphical buttons: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8493 |
| 20:12.38 | sunrunner20 | yup |
| 20:12.41 | g1powermac | interesting concept |
| 20:12.47 | sunrunner20 | i've got one better |
| 20:12.47 | g1powermac | expensive though |
| 20:13.10 | sunrunner20 | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ |
| 20:13.15 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I have two of the RGB24T units. |
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| 20:14.08 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, how do you like them? |
| 20:14.27 | g1powermac | sunrunner20, ahhhhhhh, awesome |
| 20:14.46 | sunrunner20 | I can't wait untill OLED is cheap |
| 20:14.52 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I haven't tinkered with them yet. They are not solderless breadboard friendly. But, hmmmm.. <looks at carrier board> |
| 20:14.54 | g1powermac | will not spend $1500 on a keyboard though |
| 20:14.55 | sunrunner20 | then keyboards like that will be way less than 1.5 grand |
| 20:16.11 | g1powermac | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-mini/ |
| 20:16.17 | g1powermac | thats a little better :-) |
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| 20:19.32 | g1powermac | thats cool: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8457 |
| 20:19.38 | g1powermac | way too much, but still cool |
| 20:21.26 | SpeedEvil | Especially as you can get tweezer probes for multitesters cheap. |
| 20:22.31 | SpeedEvil | And RLC meters too. |
| 20:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Oooh. DC 0-8V wow! |
| 20:23.51 | prpplague | sunrunner20: it's not |
| 20:24.20 | prpplague | sunrunner20: AML is in the process of negotiating a settlement based on my last update |
| 20:24.58 | g1powermac | prpplague, patent stuff? |
| 20:25.06 | prpplague | g1powermac: yea |
| 20:25.10 | prpplague | g1powermac: patent troll |
| 20:25.15 | g1powermac | fun, fun |
| 20:25.16 | SpeedEvil | sunrunner20: There is a market for those that have _way_ too much money. |
| 20:25.24 | prpplague | g1powermac: i have a set of those tweezers and they rock |
| 20:25.42 | g1powermac | prpplague, I figured they would |
| 20:25.49 | prpplague | g1powermac: those tweezers are worth every penny |
| 20:26.44 | g1powermac | doesn't do enough smt stuff to warrant that kind of testing tool atm |
| 20:26.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Besides the 2N7000 and the 74AHC245, are there any other common interfacing parts I should consider adding to my DigiKey order? |
| 20:27.10 | g1powermac | prpplague, I do love my handheld scope I got from circuitspecialists |
| 20:27.23 | prpplague | RobotGuy: i can't think of anything right now, sorry |
| 20:27.46 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: can never have too many small signal shockety diodes for clamping. |
| 20:27.49 | g1powermac | prpplague, http://circuitspecialists.com/prod.itml/icOid/7644 |
| 20:27.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I probaly won't be getting them this month, so you have lots of time to think. |
| 20:27.58 | prpplague | g1powermac: i want to get a usb based logic analyzer, something similiar to the minila |
| 20:28.02 | g1powermac | I actually bought mine off ebay for I think $200 |
| 20:28.06 | g1powermac | its been awhile |
| 20:28.15 | prpplague | g1powermac: nice |
| 20:28.28 | g1powermac | though the battery is dead in it |
| 20:28.40 | g1powermac | need to get a new one |
| 20:29.52 | prpplague | HA - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7507047675.html |
| 20:29.53 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Any specific part? |
| 20:31.02 | SpeedEvil | Something like http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=MBR0520TPMSCT-ND |
| 20:32.17 | RobotGuy | This http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2593777857.html is cool, but I really don't want to be 7' from a 54" screen. |
| 20:32.32 | SpeedEvil | Do the math. |
| 20:32.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: ping |
| 20:32.57 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: 1200mAh battery - 3.6V - if it's li-ion, you'de not going to get more than 10W from it. |
| 20:32.58 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: That is not through hole. |
| 20:33.05 | GPSFan | prpplague: pong |
| 20:33.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey, just want to check with you and see if you'd done any more hammer hacking |
| 20:33.40 | prpplague | needs to update the boss on the freebie stuff |
| 20:34.25 | solar | yeah |
| 20:34.38 | prpplague | solar: indeed |
| 20:35.28 | SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=497-2492-1-ND is a similar one. |
| 20:35.39 | solar | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5947466557.html if the tct had one of these it might be really fun :) |
| 20:35.45 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: I mean leaded |
| 20:35.47 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.21 | prpplague | solar: thats easy enough to do |
| 20:36.31 | prpplague | solar: the telit modules are very complete |
| 20:37.09 | prpplague | solar: the audio can be handled with the pwm and adc |
| 20:37.28 | prpplague | solar: its not like MP3 quality, but more than sufficient for a standard cell call |
| 20:37.41 | RobotGuy | My PC can't boot from a USB drive of any sort. |
| 20:37.44 | solar | I ran across this one yesterday on LD and it made me chuckle http://www.artecgroup.com/thincan/ |
| 20:38.00 | CosmicPenguin | taps his foot |
| 20:38.08 | CosmicPenguin | do tell.... |
| 20:38.09 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=757 |
| 20:38.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 20:38.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: not lately. hopefully I can do a bit more after lambing. |
| 20:38.48 | prpplague | solar: yea, they are pretty popular thin clients |
| 20:38.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: lambing? |
| 20:39.09 | solar | oh. It was more the name that made me smile. |
| 20:39.11 | SpeedEvil | Extracting lambs from sheep. |
| 20:39.15 | prpplague | solar: ahh |
| 20:39.18 | RobotGuy | taps CosmicPenguin's foot |
| 20:39.47 | g1powermac | shoots CosmicPenguin's foot to the ground with a nail gun :-) |
| 20:40.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: That should be nail BOARD. :P |
| 20:40.24 | g1powermac | nail gun *loaded with a nail board |
| 20:40.26 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: indeed , sometimes with more success than others. |
| 20:40.26 | g1powermac | there :-) |
| 20:40.38 | prpplague | solar: i have this working with a variation of the hammer - http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=757 |
| 20:41.18 | solar | prpplague: working as you can make/get calls? Who is your carrier? |
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| 20:41.47 | g1powermac | prpplague, very neat |
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| 20:41.57 | prpplague | looks |
| 20:42.13 | prpplague | looks like the card i have is for verizon |
| 20:42.28 | g1powermac | prpplague, I got this coming for the zipit: http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=100 |
| 20:42.49 | RobotGuy | I don't think Verizon is GSM. Are they? |
| 20:42.54 | g1powermac | nope |
| 20:43.14 | g1powermac | only two here in the us are at&t and t-mobile, iirc |
| 20:43.18 | prpplague | RobotGuy: its actually GPRS |
| 20:43.42 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Did AT&T take of -all- of Cingular then? |
| 20:43.51 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, think so |
| 20:43.52 | RobotGuy | s/of/over/ |
| 20:44.20 | g1powermac | good ole sbc took over both bellsouth and cingular |
| 20:44.27 | RobotGuy | I know Cingular is/was big in the S |
| 20:44.27 | g1powermac | recreating ma bell |
| 20:44.41 | MothaWork | prpplague, you guys still have those LCDs you don't want? |
| 20:44.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 20:44.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: you mean the 2500 |
| 20:45.02 | MothaWork | yeah |
| 20:45.05 | RobotGuy | Cingular tried to come in here by buying the AT&T Wireless network here. |
| 20:45.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, so far |
| 20:45.13 | g1powermac | though it seems at least at&t has finally stopped the insane overcharging bellsouth was doing to us |
| 20:45.16 | MothaWork | you looking to sell all 2500 or are you willing to break that up? |
| 20:45.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: we are still working on some deals |
| 20:45.36 | prpplague | MonMotha: probably no less than 1000 qty |
| 20:45.41 | MothaWork | ok |
| 20:45.41 | RobotGuy | What kind of LCDs? |
| 20:45.53 | RobotGuy | NM |
| 20:46.02 | MothaWork | prpplague: ok, then that's still a bit too many |
| 20:46.11 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, its kinda funny, if you stuck with at&t wireless from the beginning, you would've ended back on at&t :-) |
| 20:46.11 | MothaWork | didn't know if you'd consider several hundred |
| 20:46.15 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8490 |
| 20:46.27 | prpplague | RobotGuy: similiar in nature as those but with 4-wire touchscreen |
| 20:46.31 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I wasn't on AT&T at the beginning. |
| 20:46.50 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Ahh, nice displays. |
| 20:46.53 | g1powermac | yea, but I read about some people who were |
| 20:46.56 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'll ask , but i'm pretty sure they won't |
| 20:47.01 | g1powermac | especially in reference to iphone stuff |
| 20:47.28 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I was on <gag> T-Mobile. |
| 20:47.58 | g1powermac | last cell I had was verizon, but that sucked here, due to horrible reception out here in the middle of nowhere |
| 20:48.13 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile works for me (UK) |
| 20:48.18 | g1powermac | later parents switched to sprint/nextel, which actually works halfway decently here |
| 20:48.19 | RobotGuy | I am waiting for AT&T to swallow T-Mobile now. |
| 20:48.32 | prpplague | RobotGuy: actually these displays are even better than the ones on SFE, since these have internal power rails, so all you need to provide is +3.3v for the lcd and a back light power supply |
| 20:48.35 | SpeedEvil | 5 days internet for $1/day |
| 20:48.39 | g1powermac | but atm, no cell for me |
| 20:48.58 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Sounds like easier interfacing |
| 20:49.02 | g1powermac | till I turn my zipit into a phone. . . |
| 20:49.06 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea |
| 20:49.09 | ds2 | $1/day is cheaper then their flat rate plan :( |
| 20:49.17 | SpeedEvil | ds2: yeah - this is UK |
| 20:49.34 | ds2 | is it really $1/day or 1 pound a day? |
| 20:49.45 | RobotGuy | I can see it now.. I'll have my robot call your robot and they can, umm, interface. |
| 20:49.54 | SpeedEvil | 2.50 pounds for 5 days |
| 20:49.57 | g1powermac | wonder if all I need to get on the at&t network is a valid sim card. . . |
| 20:50.08 | g1powermac | once I build the expansion module, of course |
| 20:50.10 | ds2 | grrrrr TMO overcharges us customers :( |
| 20:50.19 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: That is all you need with GSM. AT&T and T-Mobile. |
| 20:50.39 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, I figured that, but wasn't 100% positive |
| 20:51.03 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I unlocked my phone and took it too Cingular, now back to AT&T. |
| 20:51.59 | g1powermac | very cool |
| 20:52.24 | g1powermac | zipit phone, woohoo ;-) |
| 20:53.21 | RobotGuy | I don't care what anyone says, that iPhone is still very cool and usable. |
| 20:53.33 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, oh, I agree |
| 20:53.48 | g1powermac | is a mac guy, hence my nickname :-) |
| 20:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Anyone who says it isn't usable is insane, or utterly ignoring reality. |
| 20:54.05 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Ummm, I would never have guessed! |
| 20:54.11 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 20:54.16 | SpeedEvil | Saying it's overpriced for the hardware, or has limited software openness is quite fair IMO. |
| 20:54.18 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, I want an iTouch eventually |
| 20:54.33 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, waiting to see what happens in june |
| 20:54.53 | RobotGuy | SpeedEvil: Yes, of course. I wasn't addressing that though. - just the uber coolness and ease of use. |
| 20:55.07 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, yea, thats one issue with it |
| 20:55.21 | g1powermac | though still waiting to see what happens in june in regards to the software stuff |
| 20:55.39 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac: also the whole contract issues. |
| 20:55.56 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, of course, but that is utter standard here in the US |
| 20:56.12 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac: I'll _eat_ an iphone if they actually make it open-source friendly, with you able to make changes to the core UI. |
| 20:56.30 | g1powermac | its almost impossible to not get in a contract here in the us for any of the major networks |
| 20:57.05 | g1powermac | heck, stupid at&t wants us in a contract for a land line |
| 20:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Also impossible to buy the iphone without in hte UK. |
| 20:58.30 | SpeedEvil | My favourite is the Iphone+blendtek video though. |
| 20:58.38 | g1powermac | hahah |
| 20:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Though I also liked the marbles one. |
| 20:58.59 | g1powermac | anyone want to send me an iphone? cause I got a nice blendtec sitting at home waiting for some action ;-) |
| 20:59.27 | g1powermac | btw, if you really use a blender, the blendtec is worth every penny |
| 21:00.08 | g1powermac | the thing makes the best fruit smoothies |
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| 21:17.02 | RobotGuy | I'll take a 16 GB iPhone if somebody wants to send me one. My BD is this month. :D |
| 21:17.55 | prpplague | might consider getting a $10 tracephone |
| 21:18.00 | prpplague | tracfone that is |
| 21:19.48 | prpplague | people acted totally amazed when they ask for my cell number and i say i don't use a cell phone |
| 21:20.30 | RobotGuy | My cell is my only phone. It goes where I go. |
| 21:21.18 | prpplague | doesn't go anywhere that he needs a cell phone |
| 21:21.53 | g1powermac | prpplague, me neither |
| 21:22.17 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I was mugged several years ago and did not have a cell then. Since then, my phone and I are always together, plus medical reasons in case I have to call for help. |
| 21:22.45 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, ahh, I can see that |
| 21:23.24 | RobotGuy | I also don't carry cash anymore unless it is being spent immediately. |
| 21:27.32 | prpplague | silly RobotGuy |
| 21:27.44 | prpplague | you needed to buy a gun not a phone |
| 21:27.52 | RobotGuy | I have my debit card and a really long PIN. |
| 21:28.03 | RobotGuy | (in reference to money) |
| 21:28.18 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, you know, in certain, you'd prolly get in trouble for shooting a mugger |
| 21:28.23 | g1powermac | certain *states |
| 21:28.32 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Carrying a weapon is just more invitation for somebody -else- to use one on you. |
| 21:28.46 | prpplague | RobotGuy: only if you are afraid to use it |
| 21:28.54 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, depends, out here, everyone carries one, or assumes you're carrying |
| 21:29.03 | prpplague | pulled his handgun twice in 10 years |
| 21:29.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I wouldn't be able to do it. |
| 21:29.07 | g1powermac | so there's actually less crime that way, at least between strangers |
| 21:29.15 | g1powermac | domestic stuff on the other hand. . . |
| 21:29.52 | g1powermac | anger + very easy access to deadly weapon == bad situation |
| 21:30.14 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I would be more likely to accidently hurt myself. |
| 21:30.28 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 21:30.49 | RobotGuy | I don't even keep really sharp knives in my kitchen. |
| 21:30.58 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, for that very reason, we don't let my dad close to even a hand tool |
| 21:31.23 | g1powermac | its VERY scary to watch him use powertools |
| 21:31.24 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: I am mechanically disinclined. |
| 21:31.49 | RobotGuy | I have a Dremel, that's all, and I am learning how to use it. :) |
| 21:31.52 | prpplague | texas is a castle state |
| 21:32.07 | g1powermac | mmm, dremel, got mine somewhere |
| 21:32.26 | RobotGuy | I still haven't got the screw out of that servo yet. |
| 21:32.27 | prpplague | and generally has protection for violent as well as strictly monetary crimes |
| 21:32.33 | g1powermac | also got a bunch of woodworking stuff, like circular saw, chop saw, table saw, various drills, even a drill press |
| 21:33.07 | g1powermac | and one of my favorite saws, the reciprocating saw :-) |
| 21:33.27 | RobotGuy | You saw, and it reciprocates.. :P |
| 21:33.29 | g1powermac | I think it would take me only a few minutes to take down an entire house with it |
| 21:34.13 | RobotGuy | Make the ideas stop, please! I don't want any more ideas for cool things to do with microcontrollers. |
| 21:34.16 | g1powermac | the one say I hate the most is the circular, mainly cause it kicks back way too much |
| 21:34.28 | prpplague | pitty the person who tries to break into my house when we are home |
| 21:34.40 | g1powermac | prolly because its the cheapest saw I have |
| 21:35.12 | g1powermac | prpplague, heh, not unless they have the arsenal that my one friend's dad has |
| 21:35.27 | g1powermac | prpplague, they'd be able to level your house from the outside |
| 21:35.33 | prpplague | pictures the matrix building lobby scene |
| 21:35.38 | g1powermac | exactly |
| 21:36.13 | prpplague | g1powermac: i have two ar-15's and two swiss made ak-47's |
| 21:36.29 | g1powermac | yup, he's got ak's |
| 21:36.44 | g1powermac | and some other nasty stuff |
| 21:36.53 | g1powermac | wonder if he has a 50cal in the mix |
| 21:37.26 | prpplague | i'd love to get a barret |
| 21:37.43 | SpeedEvil | I really want to play with guided tank rounds. |
| 21:38.11 | prpplague | g1powermac: i've had my eye on a barrett for some time, just haven't been able to save up enough to purchase one |
| 21:38.11 | g1powermac | though the craziest part is with all these legal weapons is that if you get pulled over and have a baseball bat in your car and it isn't baseball season, they arrest you |
| 21:38.13 | SpeedEvil | Little camera in the front, laser illuminator, some really fast acting fins, and a long rod penetrator. |
| 21:38.46 | g1powermac | they consider a lethal weapon when its not baseball season |
| 21:38.50 | g1powermac | s/a/it |
| 21:39.10 | prpplague | g1powermac: seriously? |
| 21:39.24 | g1powermac | yea, though not 100% on the details |
| 21:39.33 | g1powermac | but its something crazy like that |
| 21:39.37 | prpplague | g1powermac: i've gotten harrased for my breakout boxes, but i've never heard about baseball bat |
| 21:39.49 | g1powermac | I think its about having a weapon thats within arm reach |
| 21:39.57 | RobotGuy | I just imagined an S3C2440A teamed with an AVR7001 and an ADI ADUC7129 |
| 21:40.33 | prpplague | g1powermac: i had a run in with the Texas DPS over my breakout boxes, almost went to jail |
| 21:40.41 | g1powermac | fun |
| 21:40.59 | prpplague | g1powermac: had to prove that the devices weren't being used illegally |
| 21:41.02 | SpeedEvil | As long as you can breakout easily. |
| 21:41.04 | prpplague | g1powermac: which is totally silly |
| 21:41.08 | g1powermac | not sure if the cops here would harass over breakout boxes |
| 21:41.29 | g1powermac | prpplague, they'll harass you if you're on a skateboard though |
| 21:41.38 | g1powermac | another crazy law thing |
| 21:41.58 | g1powermac | but I think thats just this town |
| 21:42.34 | prpplague | i've been questioned several times at my kids school, i usually drop the kids off in the morning with my wife and park while i wait for my wife to come back |
| 21:42.44 | prpplague | the police always come and question me, hehe |
| 21:42.50 | g1powermac | heh |
| 21:42.51 | prpplague | guess i look suspicious |
| 21:43.19 | g1powermac | wishes they'd harass some of these people with their horrendous vehicles |
| 21:43.30 | g1powermac | really, you can almost die from the fumes coming off some |
| 21:43.35 | prpplague | remebers vehicles in ky |
| 21:43.46 | g1powermac | yea, it hasn't improved much |
| 21:43.55 | prpplague | g1powermac: thats because they are burning that biofuel(moonshine) |
| 21:44.02 | g1powermac | haha |
| 21:44.30 | g1powermac | prpplague, I'd more question if they put diesel in a regular engine or vice versa sometimes. . . |
| 21:45.08 | prpplague | g1powermac: or the weedeater two stroke oil/gas mix in their car |
| 21:45.14 | RobotGuy | Get ya drunk and home in one fell swoop |
| 21:45.16 | g1powermac | hehe |
| 21:46.24 | g1powermac | I wish they'd set some emission standards in this state |
| 21:47.28 | prpplague | gets ready to go home before Bill Lumbergh shows up |
| 21:48.02 | g1powermac | heh, Lumbergh, red swingline stapler. . . |
| 21:48.46 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:50.13 | g1powermac | oh they did finally make a hit and run a felony now |
| 21:50.32 | MothaWork | SAY HELLO TO LUMBERGH FOR ME! |
| 21:50.45 | MothaWork | and I do in fact have a bright red swingline 747 |
| 21:51.07 | g1powermac | and animal cruelty is now a felony |
| 21:51.17 | RobotGuy | MothaWork: That was a cool chat we had going the other night. I learned a lot even though I didn't like the cost. |
| 21:52.22 | RobotGuy | I do understand it though and why it's that way. |
| 21:54.17 | g1powermac | well, going home myself |
| 21:54.19 | g1powermac | bbiab |
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| 22:30.45 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, blendtec fruit smoothie :-) |
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| 23:06.32 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, I'm really loving this embedded linux book |
| 23:06.50 | g1powermac_PB | especially for the fact that all the examples are based around an intel xscale chip :-) |
| 23:17.40 | roxfan | i've got my jtag dumper working \o/ |
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| 23:19.07 | g1powermac_PB | kewl |
| 23:20.51 | roxfan | dumping at 6kb/s :\ |
| 23:22.51 | roxfan | oh well at least it finally works |
| 23:53.24 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Find me one based around ARM. :P |
| 23:54.02 | roxfan | xscale IS an arm... |
| 23:54.24 | roxfan | armv5te iirc |
| 23:55.00 | RobotGuy | roxfan: I realize that, but it isn't quite the same as the Samsung chips. I guess it is supposed to be further along the evolution of ARM |
| 23:55.30 | roxfan | dunno, all arms are pretty similar to me |
| 23:55.43 | roxfan | well, except maybe the cortex-m3 stuff |