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| 00:03.01 | Lars_G | Good day all. |
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| 00:12.05 | g1powermac_PB | heya Lars_G |
| 00:15.51 | Lars_G | sup |
| 00:16.12 | g1powermac_PB | nothin much, been reading about embedded linux systems |
| 00:16.45 | g1powermac_PB | yourself? |
| 00:22.01 | Lars_G | programmign three projects, fixing two more, and opening my boss' ipod nano 2g |
| 00:28.13 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, fun |
| 00:28.25 | g1powermac_PB | lemme know how the ipod dissection goes |
| 00:28.29 | g1powermac_PB | got one of them myself |
| 00:29.29 | MonMotha | I just got in 6 LCDs to do something with |
| 00:29.38 | MonMotha | somebody suggested digital etch-a-sketch |
| 00:31.15 | SpeedEvil | In colour! |
| 00:32.22 | MonMotha | indeed |
| 00:32.30 | MonMotha | it's a 10.4" 640x480 TFT |
| 00:32.39 | MonMotha | two appear to be pulls, but 4 are NOS |
| 00:33.10 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: wow, nice screens |
| 00:33.27 | g1powermac_PB | MonMotha: wanna sell one? |
| 00:33.58 | MonMotha | not at this time |
| 00:34.08 | g1powermac_PB | aww |
| 00:34.17 | MonMotha | I need to figure out how many of something I'm going to make, then I'll look into possibly selling the excess |
| 00:34.34 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, ok |
| 00:38.41 | MonMotha | I have a full datasheet for the LCD, but still no info on the inverter |
| 00:39.04 | MonMotha | I do at least HAVE inverters for the BL |
| 00:39.48 | SpeedEvil | Don't bother. |
| 00:39.58 | SpeedEvil | Get a CCFL PC modding kit. |
| 00:40.02 | SpeedEvil | hook it up. |
| 00:40.10 | SpeedEvil | Job done. |
| 00:40.30 | MonMotha | these fit nicely into a backing plate that I have |
| 00:40.39 | MonMotha | and I know they are matched to the built in lamp |
| 00:40.47 | MonMotha | they also have a brightness function |
| 00:43.12 | MonMotha | these were also free |
| 00:43.24 | MonMotha | well, compared to a PC mod kit |
| 00:43.37 | MonMotha | that and I don't want to make somebody believe that putting CCFLs in a PC is acceptable by buying such a kit |
| 00:43.48 | SpeedEvil | Mine were 1.90 each. |
| 00:43.51 | SpeedEvil | (pounds) |
| 00:44.22 | MonMotha | purl: change 1.9 GBP to USD |
| 00:44.23 | SpeedEvil | I got several for cupboard lighting. |
| 00:44.30 | SpeedEvil | $3.8 |
| 00:44.40 | MonMotha | it really is just double? |
| 00:44.58 | MonMotha | last I saw a USD was about 60% of a GBP, but with what the politicos are doing, I'm not surprised |
| 00:45.23 | SpeedEvil | pretty mcuh |
| 00:45.23 | MonMotha | anyway, that would be more than I paid for the LCD + Inverter |
| 00:45.54 | SpeedEvil | Actually - $1.97/pound |
| 00:46.08 | MonMotha | the inverter looks pretty simple |
| 00:46.17 | MonMotha | just trying to figure out the brightness and possible supply voltage |
| 00:46.20 | MonMotha | it's either 5 or 12 |
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| 01:05.45 | MonMotha | hum, one of these is actually a STN |
| 01:33.19 | SpeedEvil | twisted. |
| 01:35.22 | Lars_G | MonMotha: www.xe.com/ucc |
| 01:50.25 | MonMotha | Lars_G: yeah, I know xe |
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| 05:13.31 | Mirell | So I got access to the card printer at work today. |
| 05:13.44 | Mirell | I want to print a Spanish Armada Fleet Card. |
| 05:13.51 | Mirell | So you can fill up on galleons with it. |
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| 05:27.10 | MonMotha | Mirell: I see what you did there... |
| 05:32.52 | Mirell | Hmm? |
| 05:38.58 | MonMotha | was that not intentional? |
| 05:39.37 | MonMotha | galleons on a fleet card? |
| 05:41.46 | ds2 | hmmmmm |
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| 11:54.09 | g1powermac_PB | hey all |
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| 13:53.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: box arrived |
| 13:56.30 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: awesome |
| 13:56.51 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: try to get over there this afternoon |
| 13:57.15 | g1powermac_PB | doubly awesome :-) |
| 14:01.22 | RobotGuy | Greetings everyone. |
| 14:01.28 | prpplague | hey |
| 14:01.55 | RobotGuy | Does anyone know anything about Gecko Systems? |
| 14:02.26 | prpplague | name sounds familiar |
| 14:02.30 | chouimat|work | morning |
| 14:02.39 | RobotGuy | www.geckosystems.com |
| 14:04.08 | RobotGuy | I just got an e-mail form a fellow there asking me if I'd be interested in doing some software development. |
| 14:04.19 | prpplague | RobotGuy: just a note, when providing a url you might want to include the full designation as some irc clients don't recognize it as a url unless it is full qualified |
| 14:04.20 | RobotGuy | s/form/from |
| 14:04.30 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Oh, OK. |
| 14:04.31 | prpplague | RobotGuy: http://www.geckosystems.com |
| 14:05.07 | prpplague | RobotGuy: yea seems like i saw them discussed on a program on discovery channel |
| 14:05.36 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I'm not sure why they would ask me about software development. |
| 14:06.02 | RobotGuy | Now I wish I had TV. Love the Discovery and Learning channels. |
| 14:06.14 | prpplague | RobotGuy: you are a pretty vocal advocate on the robotics channels |
| 14:07.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Well, I have a lot of ideas in that area. :) |
| 14:07.17 | g1powermac_PB | hey RobotGuy |
| 14:07.39 | RobotGuy | I believe robotics has huge potential to help people, including the disabled. |
| 14:07.50 | prpplague | lordy lordy lordy |
| 14:07.59 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: sounds like a cool job for ya |
| 14:08.15 | prpplague | goes to get some coffee |
| 14:08.20 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I don't work well in standard work environments. |
| 14:08.45 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: well, only use them to help so we can test the clustered swarm of robotic overlords ;-) |
| 14:09.08 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Oh, I so want to implement my ideas for swarming. :D |
| 14:09.32 | RobotGuy | I live in an apartment complex with many disabled people. |
| 14:09.37 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, yea, I don't do great in standard work environments myself |
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| 14:11.01 | ce_geek | Robotguy: Ping |
| 14:11.09 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: pong |
| 14:11.20 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: You use the hammer board to control servos, right? |
| 14:12.15 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Not at present. I normally use a servo controller for that because it's easier. I do want to try controlling servos with Hammer though, as soon as I can get a good interface setup for shifting levels. |
| 14:12.38 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: How does the servo controller work? What's the interface for that? |
| 14:12.42 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: Does the hammer talk to it? |
| 14:13.22 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Usually a servo controller is connected via a TTL serial link or USB. Hammer would communicate with these directly. |
| 14:13.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: hey |
| 14:13.32 | ce_geek | prpplague; Howdy! |
| 14:13.33 | prpplague | ce_geek: question |
| 14:13.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: Answer |
| 14:13.50 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: The servo controller I usually use is TTL or RS-232 serial. |
| 14:14.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: think you guys would be interested in a very large box of sa-1110 boards that have various QA problems? |
| 14:14.31 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'm sure a lot of them could be recovered with some tinkering |
| 14:14.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: Not sure what an sa-1110 board is. Looking now. |
| 14:14.43 | prpplague | ce_geek: either way, they have lots of good sdram and flash |
| 14:14.53 | prpplague | ce_geek: intel strongarm processor |
| 14:15.02 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh, slick. |
| 14:15.10 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I've looked at those a bit and they look interesting. |
| 14:15.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: Actually, Chocobo is teaching a class this fall in portable computing. He might be able to use it. |
| 14:15.49 | ce_geek | prpplague: And I definitely know that my advisor could make use of them in his classes. |
| 14:15.50 | prpplague | ce_geek: well remember all of these failed QA, so they'd need some work |
| 14:15.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yep. |
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| 14:16.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: There's talk of a reverse engineering class soon too. These could be useful for that maybe. |
| 14:16.42 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'm thinking we could do it as a charitable donation and get a tax write off, hehe |
| 14:16.59 | ce_geek | prpplague: Fine with us! |
| 14:17.06 | RobotGuy | instantly becomes a charity organization working with technology. :D: |
| 14:17.07 | ce_geek | prpplague: I can even getcha a slot in the newsletter probably :) |
| 14:17.10 | RobotGuy | grins |
| 14:17.15 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe |
| 14:18.28 | prpplague | ce_geek: other question |
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| 14:18.44 | ce_geek | prpplague; Are they complete bricks, or is it like they work half-assed? |
| 14:18.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: you do any more tinkering with devmem to create a led blink app? |
| 14:19.02 | prpplague | ce_geek: most are either lcd or usb failure |
| 14:19.14 | prpplague | ce_geek: rest of the device is usually good |
| 14:19.23 | prpplague | grabs a handfull and looks |
| 14:19.43 | ce_geek | prpplague: No, didn't get there. |
| 14:20.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: Should have this damn exam gone today, then I've got the rest of the week to document and play. |
| 14:20.19 | ce_geek | prpplague; I have a hard deadline now (Friday), which is a good thing. Deadlines make things happen. |
| 14:21.29 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'll speak to the operations manager about the donation |
| 14:22.01 | ce_geek | prpplague: Okie doke. I'd have you send it to my advisor Bruce. He's the one that does such tinkering. |
| 14:23.51 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Did I tell you I got the arm/deck spacing on my robot figured out so the arm can reach into the "cargo" deck? |
| 14:25.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: how many do you guys think you might want? |
| 14:26.05 | prpplague | ce_geek: these are a sodimm package |
| 14:27.53 | ce_geek | prpplague: Probably only a small handful. What is likely to happen is that Bruce will have them as an option for students to use in a project in a class or two that he teaches, unless they do the reverse engineering class at some point. |
| 14:28.24 | prpplague | ce_geek: ahh so you probably don't want all 4000 |
| 14:28.36 | ce_geek | prpplague: No..... probably not :) |
| 14:28.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:28.58 | prpplague | 4k isn't too bad though, thats over 10 years |
| 14:29.04 | prpplague | checks |
| 14:29.08 | SpeedEvil | rustytincantools.com? |
| 14:29.09 | ce_geek | prpplague: Do you have a picture of these things? |
| 14:29.17 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 14:29.36 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I was idly wondering about a site for selling broken stuff. Though selling is probably a bad idea. |
| 14:29.46 | prpplague | ce_geek: not of this specific model |
| 14:29.52 | SpeedEvil | (and I know the aml/tct thing) |
| 14:30.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: but its basically the same form factor as the sodim on the m5900 http://www.elinux.org/M5900 |
| 14:30.13 | ce_geek | prpplague: ok |
| 14:31.14 | prpplague | i thought about buying them myself, and doing repairs on them one at a time |
| 14:31.29 | ce_geek | prpplague; Hmmn, I'm not sure we'd be able to do much with that actually. |
| 14:31.52 | prpplague | ce_geek: because of the sodim socket? |
| 14:32.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yea :-/ |
| 14:32.54 | prpplague | ce_geek: hehe, i'll see what we have, i think we have some adapters to .1" |
| 14:32.55 | g1powermac_PB | *sigh* |
| 14:33.00 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ?? |
| 14:33.01 | ce_geek | prpplague; Ooh. |
| 14:33.05 | g1powermac_PB | got a bit of a problem here |
| 14:33.14 | g1powermac_PB | dang dog scratched herself to a bloody mess |
| 14:33.22 | prpplague | ce_geek: you can also solder pins on each side of the sodim socket |
| 14:33.59 | g1powermac_PB | can't get her in to see the vet till tomorrow and now we need to figure out a way to stop her from scratching till tomorrow |
| 14:34.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is it the whole board or is it just the card in the sodimm socket? |
| 14:34.12 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: socks |
| 14:34.22 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: she'll pull them right off |
| 14:34.22 | SpeedEvil | gw: many socks on each paw. |
| 14:34.23 | ce_geek | prpplague; If it's the whole board, then ya I see the breakout traces and then it's doable. |
| 14:34.23 | prpplague | ce_geek: just the socket with .1" headers |
| 14:34.31 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: funnel-shaped collar |
| 14:34.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh okay. |
| 14:34.41 | g1powermac_PB | won't work, she's using her back paws |
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| 14:34.49 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: and tied on over the back |
| 14:34.54 | prpplague | ce_geek: i'll have a look |
| 14:34.56 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 14:34.57 | ce_geek | prpplague: k |
| 14:34.59 | g1powermac_PB | now thats interesting |
| 14:35.00 | prpplague | ce_geek: see what i can find |
| 14:35.30 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is that an OBDII reader? |
| 14:36.11 | g1powermac_PB | SpeedEvil: we're working on this thing made out of a pillow case that'll cover her whole body |
| 14:36.19 | g1powermac_PB | (she's a smallish dog) |
| 14:36.23 | SpeedEvil | g1powermac_PB: ah. |
| 14:37.41 | prpplague | ce_geek: the M5900? |
| 14:38.46 | ce_geek | prpplague; Yeah. Obviously not an OBDII reader, just looks like one. |
| 14:39.28 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com/m5900.asp |
| 14:39.34 | RobotGuy | How can I mount a squash fs image r/w? I can only seem to get it mounted read only. |
| 14:39.35 | prpplague | ce_geek: cheap data collector |
| 14:39.53 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: I'm pretty sure it's impossible. |
| 14:40.02 | SpeedEvil | RobotGuy: it's by design a read-only FS |
| 14:40.31 | SpeedEvil | ' SQUASHFS - A squashed read-only filesystem for Linux |
| 14:40.32 | SpeedEvil | ' |
| 14:40.38 | RobotGuy | Hmmmm, OK. I will just copy the squash fs dirs to my hard drive, add, and remake it. |
| 14:42.18 | g1powermac_PB | hehe |
| 14:42.36 | g1powermac_PB | got a hand clamp holding this pillow case thing together on the dog ;-) |
| 14:42.43 | g1powermac_PB | its hilarious |
| 14:43.17 | g1powermac_PB | I need to take a shot of this one |
| 14:43.41 | prpplague | RobotGuy: didn't we have problems with makeinfo because of that darn switch from bash to dash on ubuntu? |
| 14:44.13 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, we did. I had to remove the link to dash and make it point to bash. |
| 14:45.27 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That plus your makeinfo patch fixed it. |
| 14:45.36 | prpplague | yea, thats what i thought |
| 14:48.04 | g1powermac_PB | I got a shot of this one, I'll post it at the store |
| 14:52.45 | RobotGuy | prpplague: You never can tell who is reading a public message group. This fellow from Gecko Systems has been watching me there. |
| 14:52.52 | RobotGuy | On the PARTS list. |
| 14:53.02 | prpplague | RobotGuy: oh? he said so? |
| 14:53.15 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Yes, he said so in his e-mail. |
| 14:53.23 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:53.35 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well, maybe it will be a source of income for ya |
| 14:54.01 | RobotGuy | prpplague: It would be nice to get off this fixed income and be able to do more. |
| 14:55.54 | RobotGuy | I'm almost at a break even point again, as of next month. :) |
| 14:58.48 | RobotGuy | I started my volunteering again yesterday, doing my Gadget Guy thing. |
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| 15:03.12 | g1powermac_PB | morning T0mW |
| 15:03.28 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: hey, yes it is. |
| 15:03.33 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Greetings |
| 15:03.47 | T0mW | RobotGuy: good morning |
| 15:04.16 | T0mW | just about to launch into another day of wrangling OE |
| 15:05.09 | RobotGuy | Open Embedded? |
| 15:05.12 | g1powermac_PB | btw, finally uploaded the shot of the back of the zipit board: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2471242306/ |
| 15:05.14 | T0mW | yes |
| 15:05.50 | RobotGuy | I am interested in learning how to use OE. It seems quite complex. |
| 15:06.09 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2471246826/ |
| 15:06.18 | T0mW | RobotGuy: yeah, it is. But, IMHO, it is far more capable, in some ways, to buildroot. |
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| 15:06.26 | g1powermac_PB | and there's my poor dog with the pillow case thing on her to stop her from scratching |
| 15:06.27 | RobotGuy | I just haven't been real motivated to tinker with it. |
| 15:06.47 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I can see that, and there is a very large software library in OE also, which interests me. |
| 15:07.05 | g1powermac_PB | note the hand clamp holding it together :-) |
| 15:07.32 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Awwww, poor pup. |
| 15:07.49 | T0mW | RobotGuy: that is what finally attracted me to it, the large volume of apps. You can build a filesystem with buildroot, but you build a distro with oe |
| 15:07.57 | g1powermac_PB | yea, wish we could've gotten her to the vet today |
| 15:08.17 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Yes, indeed. I would like to get Hammer setup in OE. |
| 15:09.37 | T0mW | RobotGuy: issue with OE is that you really need some kind of bulk storage to put everything. It is a debian based system with runlevels and such. You can very easily run into tens of megabytes with your "greed". heh |
| 15:09.42 | solar | aims to make gentoo-embedded as appealing |
| 15:10.19 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I have OE installed here. I just need to tinker with it and see what I can make it do. I don't have any hardware OE supports here right now. |
| 15:10.34 | T0mW | nod |
| 15:10.43 | RobotGuy | solar: I have always liked Gentoo. It's going to be on my third PC as soon as I get a PSU and case for it. |
| 15:11.17 | T0mW | ah, reminds me, I've got to phone Simtec this morning and see where my order is: S3C2440 dev system |
| 15:11.18 | solar | tell me what you want/need and I'll try to support it in gentoo. |
| 15:11.32 | prpplague | T0mW: good luck |
| 15:11.32 | solar | the hammer & nail was an easy enough addition. |
| 15:11.33 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I'm somewhate envious. |
| 15:11.53 | RobotGuy | solar: I must look at gento embedded then. :) |
| 15:11.57 | RobotGuy | Gentoo |
| 15:12.03 | prpplague | T0mW: why did you order from simtec? |
| 15:12.26 | solar | n/m on typos. I have a client who requests genpoo installs. I get a kick out of that every time. |
| 15:12.41 | T0mW | prpplague: only people that I found that had a '2440 SODIMM |
| 15:12.50 | RobotGuy | solar: Does it have Apache? Modules to add to Python such as DJango? |
| 15:12.52 | T0mW | RobotGuy: http://www.openhardware.net/Misc_Stuff/ToasterSMD/images/SuperMux.jpg |
| 15:12.52 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 15:13.10 | T0mW | RobotGuy: S3C2410 board I put together to "play" with. |
| 15:13.21 | solar | of course |
| 15:13.26 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Nice. |
| 15:14.01 | T0mW | RobotGuy: that runs a filesystem built with OE. Heh, I also put debian ARM distro on it too just to try it out. |
| 15:14.10 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I believe the s3c2440a has the same physical footprint as the s3c2410, but has more pads in the center. |
| 15:14.16 | prpplague | T0mW: no pics of the hammer lcd board? |
| 15:14.23 | T0mW | prpplague: soon |
| 15:14.25 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Ooooooooooooooh. I like. :) |
| 15:14.37 | solar | 12579 unique pkgs. But only about 400 cross-compile cleanly. perl has always been a clustermess |
| 15:14.40 | prpplague | T0mW: are you planning to sell it? |
| 15:14.49 | T0mW | RobotGuy: bitch is the dual uarts, they are SPI |
| 15:15.04 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got to get the SPI MMC working |
| 15:15.14 | RobotGuy | solar: I don't deal with PERL. :) I use Python mostly, including what I will be doing with my robot. |
| 15:15.19 | prpplague | T0mW: the new, 2.6.25 kernel has the spi mmc working\ |
| 15:15.28 | T0mW | lover perl |
| 15:15.36 | T0mW | loves perl |
| 15:15.37 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh cool! |
| 15:15.42 | solar | RobotGuy: you are also working on the nail iirc? |
| 15:15.44 | prpplague | T0mW: 2.6.26-rc1 has core hammer support |
| 15:15.46 | ce_geek | prpplague: How far out is the next hammer board release? |
| 15:15.49 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's also how I got my WiFi working - the drivers are much better. |
| 15:15.51 | T0mW | prpplague: cool |
| 15:15.55 | RobotGuy | solar: Just Hammer at present. |
| 15:16.09 | prpplague | ce_geek: probably awhile off, why? |
| 15:16.20 | ce_geek | prpplague; Just curious. |
| 15:16.25 | RobotGuy | solar: I have an idea for a small robot that would use a Nail Board also. |
| 15:16.27 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I want to finish up the Zipit stuff and get either opie or gpe running under X-kdrive, then I will go back to the Hammer-LCD |
| 15:16.37 | prpplague | ce_geek: wait, are you refering to the software or hardware release? |
| 15:16.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: Core hammer support? did you get the kernel maintainers to put support for the hammer board in the stock kernel source? |
| 15:16.48 | prpplague | T0mW: can you atleast post a pic? |
| 15:16.51 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh whoops, I meant software. |
| 15:16.57 | prpplague | ce_geek: oh |
| 15:16.57 | T0mW | prpplague: yes |
| 15:17.03 | ce_geek | prpplague; Seems like you were putting some stuff together a while back. |
| 15:17.06 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, the next release is comming soon |
| 15:17.17 | prpplague | ce_geek: 2.6.26-rc1 has core supprot |
| 15:17.31 | ce_geek | prpplague: That's cool. |
| 15:17.36 | prpplague | ce_geek: yea, i got busy at work, gotta pay the bills ya know |
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| 15:17.52 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Be sure to add the fix to create /usr/lib in buildroot. It still isn't being created even when I add that to device_table.txt. |
| 15:18.01 | ce_geek | prpplague: Hehe yeah. |
| 15:18.14 | ce_geek | prpplague: Is tct somewhat of a side project from your job? |
| 15:18.39 | prpplague | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.26-rc1 |
| 15:18.58 | prpplague | ce_geek: TCT is a sister company, but my primary responsibility is with AML |
| 15:19.04 | ce_geek | ah |
| 15:19.21 | prpplague | ce_geek: basically TCT borrows me with AML has the spare time |
| 15:19.33 | solar | RobotGuy: You in the states? If so any chance you will have your robo done-enough in time to demo it at LWE on Aug 4th? |
| 15:19.41 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool |
| 15:19.47 | ce_geek | prpplague; And cool with the changelog too. |
| 15:19.58 | ce_geek | prpplague; Will that eliminate the need for the patches? |
| 15:20.16 | prpplague | ce_geek: it will eliminate the need for kernel patches to add core support |
| 15:20.38 | RobotGuy | solar: I am in Oregon. My goal is to have W.A.L.T.E.R. fully operational before the Linux Plumber's Conference in September. What is LWE? |
| 15:20.48 | prpplague | linux world expo |
| 15:21.21 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I doubt I would be able to attend LWE unless it is happening local to me. |
| 15:21.22 | solar | RobotGuy: http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/ (Gentoo gets a booth in the dot.org island there every year) |
| 15:21.34 | solar | if local is SFO then yes :) |
| 15:21.58 | RobotGuy | I am in Portland, OR. |
| 15:22.12 | RobotGuy | Well, actually Beverton |
| 15:22.22 | RobotGuy | Beaverton |
| 15:22.30 | solar | work with the OSL much? |
| 15:22.46 | solar | really nice guys over there. |
| 15:22.50 | RobotGuy | I don't know if I can get W.A.L.T.E.R. ready though. |
| 15:23.18 | solar | no. matter. But if you have pics on line by that time. It would be great if I could link to them |
| 15:24.04 | solar | I'm planning to demo the nail there already with idea to show that gentoo is not just for desktops/servers. |
| 15:24.08 | RobotGuy | solar: I always have pictures online of W.A.L.T.E.R. and there are recent ones posted now. |
| 15:24.16 | prpplague | hehe, last time i attended lwe was back in 2001 |
| 15:24.17 | solar | URL? |
| 15:24.37 | RobotGuy | solar: http://www.thedynaplex.org/robotics/rovers/walter |
| 15:24.56 | solar | LWE is pretty commercial these days. But also of our devs are in the bay area so it's a local even for us most.y |
| 15:25.09 | RobotGuy | solar: I wish I could go to events like that. |
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| 15:25.29 | prpplague | solar: ahh |
| 15:25.53 | prpplague | solar: yea we were there to push the tcsx-1 for use with the linux terminal server project |
| 15:26.59 | g1powermac_PB | wishes there was at least one tech event, any tech event, near KY |
| 15:27.04 | RobotGuy | solar: I have redesigned the arm and spacing between decks since the recent pictures. The arm is mounted on the top deck now and has four degrees of motion plus 2 degrees for the gripper. |
| 15:27.05 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html |
| 15:27.09 | prpplague | my last x86 project |
| 15:27.30 | prpplague | RobotGuy: hehe, you need a better camera that does macro shots |
| 15:28.06 | prpplague | we sold the heck out that sucker |
| 15:28.22 | solar | really? seems rather spendy for what it is. |
| 15:28.24 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know. I don't even own a camera. The better quality pictures were taken by a PARTS member at the April meeting. |
| 15:29.04 | RobotGuy | All I have is a $50.00 webcam. :( |
| 15:29.06 | prpplague | solar: gotta remember that was back in 2001 |
| 15:29.33 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: pretty nice little box |
| 15:29.38 | prpplague | solar: back when most complete PC's were around $1000 |
| 15:30.14 | RobotGuy | I want to get one of the Creative Optia webcams. |
| 15:30.44 | RobotGuy | I believe that's what SpeedEvil has. |
| 15:30.48 | RobotGuy | The Optia |
| 15:30.56 | prpplague | solar: we eventually got the price down to right at $300 |
| 15:31.35 | RobotGuy | prpplague: That's around the price range of most S3C2440A boards I have seen. $300 - $400 |
| 15:31.39 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if any are up on ebay |
| 15:32.04 | RobotGuy | Pretty much everything is up on eBay these days. |
| 15:32.19 | prpplague | solar: one of the biggest features was that i had set up was that you could connect two wyse50 terminals to the serial ports and use then to connect via telnet or ssh sessions |
| 15:32.40 | g1powermac_PB | nope, notta one |
| 15:32.46 | prpplague | solar: so people could upgrade to twisted pair ethernet and stilluse their old wyse terminals |
| 15:33.26 | prpplague | RobotGuy: well there is a pretty large markup on dev board |
| 15:33.37 | prpplague | RobotGuy: dev boards , due to the small qty |
| 15:33.44 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I know. :( |
| 15:33.51 | solar | RobotGuy: FYI you have a 404 on /robotics/rovers/walter/software.html |
| 15:34.20 | RobotGuy | solar: Ah, OK, thanks. I will fix that the next time I am in Windows. |
| 15:35.26 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: yea, thats one reason why i bought a zipit, complete system for $100 if bought on ebay |
| 15:35.53 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I am more interested in the iPAQ RX3715 |
| 15:35.56 | T0mW | prpplague: http://www.openhardware.net/HammerLCD.jpg |
| 15:35.59 | g1powermac_PB | once the jtag port is found, it'll be a fairly nice system to tinker with |
| 15:36.13 | prpplague | oh my |
| 15:36.17 | prpplague | mighty nice |
| 15:36.48 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: ahh |
| 15:36.51 | RobotGuy | That IS nice! |
| 15:37.08 | T0mW | it is shown "unfolded" |
| 15:37.40 | RobotGuy | Make the ideas stop, please. :) I am getting new ideas all the time. :D |
| 15:37.42 | g1powermac_PB | T0mW: wow, cool |
| 15:38.07 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Is that the monochrome LCD? |
| 15:38.08 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: aww, it is merely "another toy" |
| 15:38.15 | T0mW | RobotGuy: no, 4k color |
| 15:38.24 | g1powermac_PB | T0mW: heh, I know the feeling |
| 15:38.25 | RobotGuy | One can never have enough toys. :D |
| 15:38.40 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: so true, so true :-) |
| 15:38.46 | RobotGuy | T0mW: What is the resolution? Is that 320x240? |
| 15:38.53 | T0mW | 640x480 |
| 15:39.06 | g1powermac_PB | dang |
| 15:39.09 | T0mW | around 7" diagonal |
| 15:39.31 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Very nice. I would love to have one of those, but I think 320x240 is better for what I want to do. |
| 15:39.45 | T0mW | prolly, I like 'em big |
| 15:39.54 | T0mW | has fat fingers |
| 15:40.07 | RobotGuy | T0mW: However, I could see that being used in a tablet kind of way.. |
| 15:40.27 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, tablet. . . |
| 15:40.39 | T0mW | or, hung on the wall someplace |
| 15:40.41 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: See, I told ya! More ideas! :D |
| 15:40.49 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Yes, indeed. |
| 15:40.54 | g1powermac_PB | must. . .not. . .think. . .about. . .building. . .tablet. . . |
| 15:41.06 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: :D |
| 15:41.18 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Touch screen? |
| 15:41.28 | g1powermac_PB | begins to drool like homer simpson ;-) |
| 15:41.32 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: yeah, don't purchase a toaster oven. |
| 15:41.56 | g1powermac_PB | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:41.59 | T0mW | RobotGuy: yes, the touch controller is an i2c device and it is working |
| 15:42.12 | T0mW | it is a kernel driver |
| 15:42.14 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Oooooooooooooooooh, I see remote robot console there. :D |
| 15:42.15 | g1powermac_PB | actually I got a toaster oven, but it sucks, so I can't use it for soldering |
| 15:42.39 | g1powermac_PB | the thing can barely cook food right |
| 15:43.06 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: you do need 1300/1500 watts. Somthing that has 3 or more elements |
| 15:43.13 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 15:43.31 | g1powermac_PB | this one is an el cheapo walmart special |
| 15:43.34 | T0mW | I think I mentioned the model number in the website |
| 15:43.51 | RobotGuy | T0mW: How much would one of those cost once everything is working? |
| 15:44.05 | T0mW | the board? |
| 15:44.10 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Yes. |
| 15:44.27 | T0mW | I haven't thought that far ahead. It was a doodle for a project that died |
| 15:44.54 | T0mW | the most expensive part is the LCD ($99) and the hammer board |
| 15:45.33 | g1powermac_PB | T0mW: I was looking at the toaster oven controller thingie from sparkfun the other day |
| 15:45.49 | RobotGuy | T0mW: Please keep doodling. :D I see some possibilities in that board. |
| 15:45.51 | T0mW | problem is is getting a EL power supply. IIRC, the lcd requires a 5..6 watt supply and I only have a 3.5 watt on it now. It works, but will eventually die due to the overload |
| 15:46.01 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: you don't need it |
| 15:46.15 | prpplague | T0mW: when are you going to start selling them? |
| 15:46.17 | g1powermac_PB | btw, how do you generate a stencil? |
| 15:46.19 | prpplague | T0mW: boss loves it |
| 15:46.35 | T0mW | prpplague: when it runs, the way I want it to. |
| 15:46.49 | prpplague | T0mW: whats lacking hardware wise? |
| 15:46.57 | T0mW | prpplague: it is pretty much there, but needs software right now. |
| 15:47.02 | RobotGuy | T0mW: I would want to immediately WiFi and Bluetooth and ZigBee that board. |
| 15:47.16 | T0mW | prpplague: the MMC was holding me back, then all the insanity with that other idiot customer. |
| 15:47.46 | prpplague | T0mW: if you aren't interested in doing production, i think the boss would do the production and just give you a percentage |
| 15:48.20 | T0mW | prpplague: I've got to nail down my money supply, how much I will have left after buying the house. Then, I can figure how much time I will have for finishing up personal projects. I need a break from customers. |
| 15:48.39 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe indeed |
| 15:48.58 | prpplague | T0mW: let me know, i just spoke to boss, he'd be interested in doing production quantity |
| 15:49.30 | T0mW | prpplague: I still have two blank proto boards... |
| 15:49.58 | T0mW | prpplague: like you have "free" time, heh |
| 15:50.08 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 15:50.19 | T0mW | ok, gotta call Simtec and the bank. |
| 15:53.40 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, that is a nice tutorial on toaster oven soldering |
| 15:54.21 | g1powermac_PB | maybe one day I might try that |
| 15:54.38 | g1powermac_PB | need to build this ecg expansion board for my zipit at some point |
| 15:55.52 | g1powermac_PB | one step at a time though |
| 15:56.08 | g1powermac_PB | waits to see what prpplague finds on his board |
| 15:57.04 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: ping |
| 16:01.03 | RobotGuy | prpplague: Here is what I got from TI: http://www.pastebin.ca/1009444 |
| 16:01.40 | prpplague | RobotGuy: looks like a nice selection |
| 16:01.56 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, samples |
| 16:01.57 | RobotGuy | prpplague: I think so. :) |
| 16:02.25 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I got a huge load of standard logic chips from ti right before they stopped sampling the DIP ones |
| 16:02.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: They still sample DIPs. I just got several. |
| 16:02.55 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 16:03.12 | g1powermac_PB | maybe they just stopped ME from sampling them ;-) |
| 16:03.50 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: TI may not sample standard logic anymore. |
| 16:03.57 | g1powermac_PB | I got enough of them to prolly last a life time |
| 16:04.12 | g1powermac_PB | been using them in different projects |
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| 16:05.32 | g1powermac_PB | can't say they've gone to waste though, like some of the chips I got from freescale |
| 16:06.07 | g1powermac_PB | need to do something with them at some point |
| 16:07.46 | g1powermac_PB | if anyone has interesting ideas for coldfire cpus, lemme know |
| 16:13.14 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I don't wanna go there.. ;) Too many ideas for too many things. |
| 16:13.20 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 16:13.31 | RobotGuy | I was just looking at Coldfire this morning. Evil BGAs. |
| 16:13.34 | g1powermac_PB | you give me a good idea, I'll send you a coldfire chip ;-) |
| 16:13.47 | g1powermac_PB | nah, most of the coldfires I got are qfps |
| 16:14.01 | MonMotha | BGAs are not evil |
| 16:14.05 | MonMotha | they just suck for one-offs |
| 16:14.05 | g1powermac_PB | there might be a bga or two mixed in there |
| 16:14.09 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Hmmmm. I will have to look again. Which part? |
| 16:14.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did you decide on attending LPC ? |
| 16:14.23 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: I have dozens of different ones |
| 16:14.31 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: not yet - I have time, right? :) |
| 16:14.39 | g1powermac_PB | ok, maybe not dozens, but still quite a few ;-) |
| 16:14.42 | RobotGuy | LPC isn't until September |
| 16:14.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i was just checking |
| 16:14.56 | prpplague | just trying to make a list |
| 16:15.00 | CosmicPenguin | but yeah, I think I'm going to try it out |
| 16:15.06 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: it'll take me a while to figure out what I got |
| 16:15.11 | prpplague | T0mW: you back? |
| 16:15.18 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:15.18 | CosmicPenguin | Under the guise of power management learnin' |
| 16:15.28 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 16:15.36 | T0mW | prpplague: ? |
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| 16:15.47 | prpplague | T0mW: you aren't identified |
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| 16:16.30 | T0mW | prpplague: how is that, heh |
| 16:16.33 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: once I get all my stuff together, I'll go through them all |
| 16:16.56 | g1powermac_PB | still has quite a few nvram modules from maxim sitting at the store |
| 16:17.07 | g1powermac_PB | atmel cplds sitting in my bedroom |
| 16:17.14 | g1powermac_PB | and other stuff all around |
| 16:17.26 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Cool. I have some i.MX chips I don't have any hope of actually using. i.MX21, i.MX27, and i.MX31 (one each). |
| 16:18.25 | g1powermac_PB | I was getting close to using those atmel cplds back before I stopped my electronic projects |
| 16:19.15 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Well restart then! :) CPLDs and FPGAs are something else I want very much to learn and work with. I have the Xilinx webpack installed for Linux and it appears to work. |
| 16:19.36 | g1powermac_PB | heh, yea, at some point |
| 16:19.49 | g1powermac_PB | trying to concentrate on the zipit, though its been hard :-) |
| 16:20.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I hear that. I am concentrating on Hammer and how I can interface it with various things, including other MCUs. |
| 16:20.50 | g1powermac_PB | I actually got a sampled fpslic from atmel sitting downstairs |
| 16:21.14 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: fpslic? |
| 16:21.32 | g1powermac_PB | yea, its their avr + fpga combo |
| 16:21.36 | RobotGuy | goes to http://www.actel.com to download Libero Gold. |
| 16:24.20 | RobotGuy | Actel has Linux tools, but they are designed for RedHat. |
| 16:24.40 | g1powermac_PB | oh |
| 16:24.47 | g1powermac_PB | never heard of actel before |
| 16:25.23 | g1powermac_PB | you see, my main goal back then was to find a fpga that could reconfigure parts of itself |
| 16:25.43 | g1powermac_PB | ie, a self optimizing core of sorts |
| 16:26.29 | g1powermac_PB | and atmel provided the best fpga in that regard |
| 16:26.33 | g1powermac_PB | at least from what I could find |
| 16:26.42 | g1powermac_PB | obviously their software setup was a mess |
| 16:27.08 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Interesting. I want to interface an FPGA to Hammer. |
| 16:28.07 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 16:28.46 | g1powermac_PB | here's the fpslic: http://www.atmel.com/products/fpslic/default.asp |
| 16:29.55 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: Neat. Does Atmel have Linux tools for those? |
| 16:30.01 | g1powermac_PB | of course not |
| 16:30.17 | g1powermac_PB | actually, you really can't even use it without buying their dev board |
| 16:30.24 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: That sucks. |
| 16:30.31 | g1powermac_PB | to get you a six month trial of their software |
| 16:30.41 | RobotGuy | I want to work with Xilinx FPGAs and CPLDs. |
| 16:30.57 | g1powermac_PB | however, there is a work around iirc |
| 16:31.45 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: What kind of work around? |
| 16:32.22 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I want to do something like KNJN has done. http://www.knjn.com with their Xylo and Saxo boards. |
| 16:32.41 | g1powermac_PB | it involves downloading a not so legal version of mentor graphics software |
| 16:32.53 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: No thanks. I want to stay legal. |
| 16:33.00 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 16:33.49 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I would like to be able to check if the Xilinx tools actually work right under Linux, but I don't have a dev board to work with. |
| 16:33.59 | g1powermac_PB | hmm |
| 16:34.14 | g1powermac_PB | has his minila with a xilinx cpld on it |
| 16:34.15 | RobotGuy | I think I need some sort of high priced programming gadget too. :( I will have to recheck that though. |
| 16:34.23 | g1powermac_PB | nah |
| 16:34.28 | g1powermac_PB | just a simple jtag cable |
| 16:34.48 | RobotGuy | Very nice. |
| 16:35.14 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Catalog.cfm?Nav1=Products&Nav2=Cables&Cat=Cable |
| 16:35.19 | g1powermac_PB | mines the parallel port version |
| 16:35.26 | RobotGuy | I think an S3C2440A with a nice Xilinx FPGA (1000 or more gates) would be very nice. |
| 16:35.45 | g1powermac_PB | it worked just fine with the xilinx cpld on the minila |
| 16:36.12 | g1powermac_PB | of course I was using it under windows |
| 16:36.18 | g1powermac_PB | whether that makes any difference |
| 16:37.00 | RobotGuy | Another different JTAG setup. |
| 16:37.38 | RobotGuy | I bet Hammer with an FPGA would be awesome too. |
| 16:37.47 | g1powermac_PB | now thats a good combo |
| 16:38.24 | RobotGuy | I can see doing I2C bus expansion, as well as I/O expansion using an FPGA. |
| 16:38.39 | RobotGuy | Amongst other things. :) |
| 16:39.01 | RobotGuy | Even adding a CPLD to Hammer would be a great thing. |
| 16:39.18 | RobotGuy | I would prefer the FPGA though. :) |
| 16:39.49 | RobotGuy | One can add softcore processors and all kinds of cool IP to an FPGA like what is at http://www.opencores.org |
| 16:39.54 | g1powermac_PB | yup |
| 16:39.59 | g1powermac_PB | opencores is cool |
| 16:40.48 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab, might try my hand at cooking some chili. . .from someone who really isn't a good cook |
| 16:41.02 | RobotGuy | Xilinx has a dev kit using a Spartan 3A and 1600 gate FPGA. It used to be a Spartan 3E. |
| 16:41.15 | g1powermac_PB | this shall either end tasty or interesting ;-) |
| 16:41.46 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: I had chilli so hot it made my eyes water. Way too much chilli powder. |
| 16:43.38 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
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| 16:43.44 | g1powermac_PB | yea, I don't like it that hot |
| 16:43.52 | g1powermac_PB | but its gotta have a kick :-) |
| 16:45.00 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: pong |
| 16:46.13 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Did you check the JFFS2 how to yet? |
| 16:47.46 | ce_geek | RobotGuy: No, I didn't get to it. I might try later this week, but I really need to focus on finishing this final exam, and then documenting the things I have done. |
| 16:48.05 | RobotGuy | ce_geek: Ah, OK. |
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| 16:58.02 | T0mW | prpplague: CONFIG_MMC_SPI ? |
| 17:03.03 | T0mW | prpplague: you know what is cool? |
| 17:03.30 | T0mW | cool is reading the kernel source and seeing your patch in there. |
| 17:03.39 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:07.57 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe |
| 17:08.04 | prpplague | T0mW: one of your patches in there? |
| 17:08.33 | prpplague | T0mW: you testing 2.6.26-rc1? |
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| 17:09.09 | Lars_G | What is NOT cool is having Xorg signal 11 under you while working |
| 17:09.10 | Lars_G | sighs |
| 17:09.14 | Lars_G | it's a sign, I need to go eat |
| 17:09.38 | prpplague | fun fun |
| 17:10.06 | RobotGuy | is starting to build a gentoo-embedded toolchain. |
| 17:12.20 | Lars_G | oh d.... the reboot damaged one of my repositorie's cache |
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| 17:19.50 | suchafunkymonkey | I'm still having problems with porting linux on to my navman. Can anyone assist with translating the web page in to a simplified version? |
| 17:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Waht do you mean by that? |
| 17:27.05 | SpeedEvil | What OS does it use at the moment, and what processor. And have you identified the JTAG pins. |
| 17:28.08 | suchafunkymonkey | I'm a newby and I'm trying to follow a guide on the web, which doesn't give many accurate or complete instructions. |
| 17:28.14 | suchafunkymonkey | http://duff.dk/navman/ |
| 17:28.32 | suchafunkymonkey | Its probably to trivial for most people on here to bother with |
| 17:28.37 | suchafunkymonkey | *too |
| 17:29.42 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by newby. |
| 17:29.52 | SpeedEvil | What programming, and electronics experience do you have? |
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| 17:31.03 | suchafunkymonkey | I've been programming for 10 years in VB/TCL/PROLOG/ASP. Most of my work has been around databases though. Not a great deal of electronics experience though. |
| 17:31.29 | suchafunkymonkey | The guide is supposed to build a linux OS on a MMC that the navman can boot from. |
| 17:31.29 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right |
| 17:31.40 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't realise there was a walkthrough |
| 17:31.55 | suchafunkymonkey | Trust me, "walkthrough" its not... :) |
| 17:32.20 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it is. |
| 17:33.08 | SpeedEvil | download the binary package |
| 17:33.20 | suchafunkymonkey | done that. |
| 17:33.23 | SpeedEvil | extract it onto a MMC card, with some files copied from the original |
| 17:34.45 | suchafunkymonkey | what about building the cross-compiler, u-boot and the linux? |
| 17:34.58 | SpeedEvil | You don't need to do that |
| 17:35.38 | SpeedEvil | if you just want to boot his canned image. |
| 17:35.45 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that actually does anything. |
| 17:36.10 | suchafunkymonkey | So what do I need to download? I was under the impression that you had to follow every step. |
| 17:36.38 | SpeedEvil | 'For all you lazy folks who just want to see Tux here is a package of the binaries I am able to redistribute. Note that Navman copyrighted files are not included.' |
| 17:37.09 | suchafunkymonkey | Holy christ, I've read that about 20 times and never saw that bit.... |
| 17:37.24 | SpeedEvil | As to how to setup buildroot, read the buildroot docs |
| 17:37.25 | suchafunkymonkey | I guess I'm too lazy to even read it. |
| 17:37.39 | RobotGuy | Please watch your language here. :) |
| 17:37.48 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, in one of the LCD driver thingys. They had the logic wrong for 12bit color displays |
| 17:39.01 | T0mW | it was interesting, you ask for red and you got blue |
| 17:41.58 | CosmicPenguin | math is hard |
| 17:42.51 | RobotGuy | suchafunkymonkey: You have to do some things to get where you want to be. We can't do it for you. |
| 17:43.24 | RobotGuy | I always enjoyed math in school. |
| 17:43.36 | RobotGuy | One of my best subjects. |
| 17:52.56 | g1powermac_PB | well, the chili looks and smells good |
| 18:02.26 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, it tastes good too |
| 18:08.56 | RobotGuy | Stop! You are making me hungry! :P |
| 18:09.23 | prpplague | T0mW: whats that about lcd driver? |
| 18:14.36 | g1powermac_PB | RobotGuy: hehe, its even got a real sweet but spicy flavor from all the tomatoes and tomato paste I got in it :-) |
| 18:15.07 | RobotGuy | g1powermac_PB: You are evil! :P Stop talking about food! :P |
| 18:15.20 | RobotGuy | Now, about that Zipit.. |
| 18:15.50 | RobotGuy | I am debating whether to go ahead and convert my system to Gentoo. |
| 18:15.59 | g1powermac_PB | heheh |
| 18:16.52 | g1powermac_PB | mmm, smooth, thick chili. . . |
| 18:16.52 | g1powermac_PB | ducks ;-) |
| 18:16.54 | RobotGuy | ~lart g1powermac_PB |
| 18:16.54 | purl | puts g1powermac_PB into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of g1powermac_PB's hair of |
| 18:17.03 | RobotGuy | :D |
| 18:17.06 | g1powermac_PB | hahaha |
| 18:17.12 | RobotGuy | Too funny |
| 18:20.02 | SpeedEvil | dissaproves of generic pre-cooked LARTs. |
| 18:20.37 | SpeedEvil | places RobotGuy in a blender full of LART ingredients, and gives him 30s on 'Iphone'. |
| 18:21.30 | g1powermac_PB | now thats a good one |
| 18:21.53 | g1powermac_PB | don't forget to use the commercial version of the blendtec, gonna need the extra power :-) |
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| 18:24.57 | g1powermac_PB | wb prpplague |
| 18:25.11 | ds2 | SpeedEvil: have you been watching will-it-blend on youtube? |
| 18:25.29 | g1powermac_PB | sadly watched every single one |
| 18:25.38 | g1powermac_PB | it was a boring day ;-) |
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| 18:29.15 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, here in pennsyltuckey we done got indoor plumbin' and flush toilets! |
| 18:29.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:29.47 | g1powermac_PB | pennsyltuckey ehh? |
| 18:29.58 | g1powermac_PB | sadly lives in the real kentucky |
| 18:30.23 | MothaWork | you know Kentucky is bad...it's what people in Indiana use to make fun of cities |
| 18:30.28 | MothaWork | like Nobletucky, and Bargertucky |
| 18:30.32 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354244,00.html |
| 18:30.39 | g1powermac_PB | MothaWork: ya |
| 18:30.41 | g1powermac_PB | its bad |
| 18:30.50 | g1powermac_PB | and yes, everyone IS related to everyone |
| 18:30.56 | g1powermac_PB | 100% |
| 18:30.57 | prpplague | was stationed at ft.knox for 2 years |
| 18:31.06 | prpplague | that was a joy |
| 18:31.17 | g1powermac_PB | luckily I'm not a native here, born and grew up in NJ, right outside of NYC |
| 18:31.44 | ds2 | is there some pit somewhere that we should go digging to find your stash of those yellow colored, uh..., ballast that you buried from ft knox? ;) |
| 18:32.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:32.10 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 18:32.26 | prpplague | ds2: no i never did guard duty at the vault |
| 18:32.49 | prpplague | notes that ft.knox is the national training center for the M1 tank |
| 18:33.30 | prpplague | virtually none of the military even think about "gold" at ft.knox |
| 18:33.39 | g1powermac_PB | liked living next to Lakehurst Air Force base back in NJ |
| 18:33.41 | ds2 | that's the "spare" key in case they forgot the combination to the vault? ;) |
| 18:33.48 | g1powermac_PB | they used to do weapon testing there |
| 18:34.28 | g1powermac_PB | of course I got to see the hindenburg disaster memorial too |
| 18:34.37 | prpplague | if you watch that old james bond movie "gold finger" you can see the house i lived in as they fly over ft.knox |
| 18:35.13 | ds2 | i wonder if you are still allowed to fly over ft knox |
| 18:35.24 | prpplague | only military flights |
| 18:35.26 | g1powermac_PB | ermm, actually its a naval air base |
| 18:35.29 | g1powermac_PB | oh well |
| 18:35.39 | prpplague | ds2: it's actually blacked out on google maps iirc |
| 18:35.50 | ds2 | Hmmm |
| 18:35.58 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.lakehurst.navy.mil/nlweb/ |
| 18:36.16 | g1powermac_PB | lived only a few miles from it |
| 18:38.35 | prpplague | oh wow, its no longer blacked out |
| 18:39.04 | prpplague | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=radcliff+ky&ie=UTF8&ll=37.883191,-85.965207&spn=0.001922,0.003648&t=h&z=18 |
| 18:39.21 | SpeedEvil | photoshopped! |
| 18:40.44 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: we even got us some elektrik liehts |
| 18:42.19 | prpplague | wow looks like the house i lived in is no longer there |
| 18:42.30 | T0mW | wonder if the Russians or Chinese blackout those overheads of U.S. Military bases? ;-) |
| 18:43.05 | T0mW | probably only discourages "arm-chair" terrorists |
| 18:44.07 | RobotGuy | I'm out for a bit - got to go get some food. BBIAB. :D |
| 18:44.35 | g1powermac_PB | heh |
| 18:44.44 | T0mW | WOW! only three weeks to get an email response from SMSC design support people! |
| 18:44.51 | g1powermac_PB | I just finished cooking the chili |
| 18:45.10 | g1powermac_PB | reminds me of a tomato sauce with beans ;-) |
| 18:45.53 | g1powermac_PB | bit too much of the tomato stuff in this sucker |
| 18:49.11 | T0mW | has Tombstone pepperoni pizza in oven |
| 18:53.16 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: hmmm, I have some good cuts of meat that I have to use up, maybe chili made with that instead of ground beef... |
| 18:53.55 | g1powermac_PB | that'd be interesting |
| 18:54.35 | T0mW | yeah, some hot peppers, cubanitos(?), cook the beef down to fork tender, then toss in the beans |
| 18:55.14 | T0mW | use salsa instead of tomato sauce |
| 18:55.40 | g1powermac_PB | if ya want a thicker chili, throw in some tomato paste |
| 18:55.46 | T0mW | nod |
| 18:55.50 | g1powermac_PB | it really turns it into a nice stew like concoction |
| 18:55.58 | T0mW | yeah! :P |
| 18:56.44 | g1powermac_PB | except I also added a cup of veggy juice stuff which is primarily tomato based and diced tomatoes, so mine is really tomato tasting :-) |
| 18:57.31 | g1powermac_PB | this was a total experimental chili, which came out halfway decently |
| 18:59.29 | g1powermac_PB | another thing that is suppose to make it taste heartier is a bit of cocoa powder, it sounds odd to add it to a chili, but quite a few recipes I've seen mention it |
| 19:10.45 | T0mW | g1powermac_PB: Blue-Mountain Chili |
| 19:12.52 | prpplague | anyone gotten their stimulus rebate check yet? |
| 19:13.39 | g1powermac_PB | not I |
| 19:13.44 | g1powermac_PB | I think they're staggering them, iirc |
| 19:13.58 | g1powermac_PB | by name or something |
| 19:19.51 | SpeedEvil | I haven't got mine either. |
| 19:20.26 | SpeedEvil | I wonder, if I say I'll spend it all ordering from the US, if I could get one :) |
| 19:20.48 | SpeedEvil | has a sparkfun order in the contemplation. |
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| 20:11.10 | okalex | Anyone know where I can get a set of simple monochrome bitmap fonts in a few different sizes? |
| 20:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | For what application? |
| 20:12.29 | CosmicPenguin | and what license? |
| 20:13.36 | okalex | Writing a basic graphics library for a small (240x64) monochrome LCD. Some sort of free open-source license. |
| 20:15.02 | CosmicPenguin | you need to be a little bit more specific |
| 20:15.11 | CosmicPenguin | BSD is open, GPL is open, but they are not the same thing |
| 20:15.24 | CosmicPenguin | What is the license of your library? |
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| 20:16.51 | okalex | I haven't chosen a license for it yet, so I'm not really too picky. BSD, GPL, MIT - doesn't really matter. It's a VERY simple library, so I'm not really concerned with how it's used. |
| 20:21.23 | CosmicPenguin | ftp://microwindows.censoft.com/pub/microwindows/microwindows-src-0.91.tar.gz |
| 20:21.59 | CosmicPenguin | There are a few fonts in .c format in there - 8x16, 8x8, SanSerif 11x13, 14x16 and 6x13 |
| 20:22.12 | CosmicPenguin | There are also some tools for converting BDF files and other similar things to C format |
| 20:22.21 | CosmicPenguin | ftp://microwindows.censoft.com/pub/microwindows/microwindows-fonts-0.91.tar.gz |
| 20:22.31 | CosmicPenguin | There are lots of fonts in there, but some of them need to be converted to .c before they are usable |
| 20:22.47 | okalex | Excellent. Thanks for the help. |
| 20:24.10 | CosmicPenguin | if you are making a graphics library, you will also probably want to steal freely from the rest of the microwindows library - it was created for similar applications to yours |
| 20:24.58 | okalex | I'm pretty much done with the drawing portion. Just needed line, rectangle and circle drawing and got those algorithms from Wikipedia. |
| 20:25.38 | okalex | But I'll be interested to look at the Microwindows code anyway to see how they do it. |
| 20:27.48 | ce_geek | defenestrates his stupid final exam. |
| 20:28.54 | okalex | had to look up 'defenestrate'. |
| 20:32.18 | SpeedEvil | You can't defenestrate a concept. |
| 20:32.34 | SpeedEvil | You can defenestrate a final exam paper. |
| 20:32.46 | SpeedEvil | You can defenestrate a final exam invigilator. |
| 20:36.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:39.23 | prpplague | wonders how landleys new job is going |
| 20:41.33 | prpplague | Lars_G: any word on your project? |
| 20:53.14 | Lars_G | prpplague: None yet. |
| 20:53.24 | Lars_G | prpplague: he's a cyclotimic. |
| 21:00.40 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: any word on the zipit yet? |
| 21:00.59 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: no i won't be able to go until tomorrow |
| 21:01.06 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: they have a production run going |
| 21:01.19 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, alrighty |
| 21:02.05 | g1powermac_PB | goes back to cleaning the basement. . .if you don't see me again, presume I'm lost somewhere in the mess ;-) |
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| 21:38.32 | g1powermac_PB | made out of the basement with some interesting electronic scrap in hand |
| 21:39.09 | g1powermac_PB | found an old verizon kyocera cell phone and a board to a 2.5" hard drive firewire enclosure |
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| 21:42.34 | prpplague | g1powermac__PB: looking at the board under a scope |
| 21:42.55 | g1powermac__PB | prpplague: oh, awesome |
| 21:43.22 | g1powermac__PB | hmm, did any of my messages about the cell phone I found come through? |
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| 21:51.17 | Madsy | Let me see if I got this right. In ARM opcodes, the I bit (bit 25) decides what kind of shifter operands is used? |
| 21:51.58 | Madsy | Set when using 8-bit immediate, and unset otherwise? |
| 21:52.44 | roxfan2 | i don't think that works for every instruction |
| 21:54.07 | MonMotha | most instructions on ARM can accept a shift option, but not all, yes |
| 21:54.09 | roxfan2 | which instructions are you looking at? |
| 21:54.15 | MonMotha | as for what bit controls it, I don't remember |
| 21:57.25 | Madsy | The arithmetic operations. |
| 21:57.33 | Madsy | ADC, ADD, SUB, RSB, etc |
| 22:00.45 | Madsy | The thing is, I'm parsing instructions, and the ARM ARM says that bits [27:20] and [7:4] are the "decode bits" that is used to recognize instructions. But that doesn't seem to be true however. |
| 22:02.07 | roxfan2 | 5.1.1 has a nice diagram for encoding of shifts and immediates |
| 22:02.41 | Madsy | For example, for arithmetic operations, bit 20 is the S flag that makes the instruction affect CPSR. And other instructions have SBZ-bits which are not a part of the [27:20] and [7:4] bits. |
| 22:03.32 | Madsy | So for now, I add in the SBZ bits as a part of the masks I use for parsing. |
| 22:04.07 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ping |
| 22:04.16 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: pong |
| 22:04.26 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ok so the datasheet is labeled wrong |
| 22:04.36 | g1powermac_PB | oh? |
| 22:05.05 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: yea that pin out says "top view" but its actually bottom view |
| 22:05.20 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: the row / col are actually labeled on the board |
| 22:05.26 | g1powermac_PB | yea |
| 22:05.28 | g1powermac_PB | I know |
| 22:05.34 | g1powermac_PB | at least for the labeling |
| 22:05.46 | g1powermac_PB | didn't know about the datasheet part |
| 22:05.53 | g1powermac_PB | interesting |
| 22:05.54 | prpplague | ahh |
| 22:05.57 | prpplague | so.... |
| 22:06.13 | prpplague | it appears that R/22 is connected to the cap |
| 22:06.26 | prpplague | http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/images/zipit10.jpg |
| 22:06.42 | prpplague | you see the cap between the pxa and the sdram? |
| 22:06.49 | g1powermac_PB | ya |
| 22:07.12 | prpplague | that looks to be TDI |
| 22:07.18 | prpplague | i'll check some more bbiab |
| 22:07.24 | g1powermac_PB | ooooo, awesome |
| 22:11.09 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: you sure it would be toward the bottom of the chip though? |
| 22:11.46 | g1powermac_PB | even if the datasheet was labeled wrong, the row/column position of the jtag port shouldn't change |
| 22:13.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: if its top view vs bottom view the row will change |
| 22:14.08 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i've checked it three times and it matches |
| 22:14.14 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: i'll check once again |
| 22:14.26 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, ok |
| 22:15.00 | roxfan2 | i have a device with vf-bga variant and the jtag connector is near the pin1 corner |
| 22:15.23 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: check this out - http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/images/zipit11.jpg |
| 22:15.31 | roxfan2 | it's rather to the left than to the top of the chip |
| 22:15.50 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: ok |
| 22:15.59 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: look on the pxa just above the cap, there is a small round mark on the R row where the jtag is |
| 22:16.13 | prpplague | roxfan2: yea vf has a different configuration |
| 22:17.11 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, interesting |
| 22:17.27 | prpplague | brb |
| 22:22.02 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB: ok, i'm a idiot today, i had the markings wrong |
| 22:22.40 | g1powermac_PB | ahh |
| 22:22.58 | g1powermac_PB | so is it at the top as I suspected? |
| 22:28.30 | RobotGuy | sighs |
| 22:34.56 | g1powermac_PB | found one interesting chip from freescale |
| 22:35.01 | g1powermac_PB | one that I can actually use |
| 22:35.09 | g1powermac_PB | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=4MBIT |
| 22:35.51 | g1powermac_PB | and can be sampled |
| 22:35.58 | g1powermac_PB | huh, prpplague left |
| 22:36.32 | KeyserSoze | i thought mram was really expensive |
| 22:36.42 | KeyserSoze | g1powermac_PB: do you know what the price of that chip is? |
| 22:37.24 | roxfan2 | click on "buy" and see for yourself |
| 22:37.45 | KeyserSoze | hehe, i'm so used to freescale not having prices, i didn't even check there |
| 22:37.53 | KeyserSoze | $15-$27 |
| 22:40.37 | g1powermac_PB | ya, sorry, was on the phone |
| 22:41.01 | g1powermac_PB | not that horribly expensive, compared to other nvram types |
| 22:41.23 | g1powermac_PB | maxim's nvram is quite expensive |
| 22:42.39 | MonMotha | MRAM isn't cheap |
| 22:42.55 | MonMotha | but it solves a problem only otherwise solved by FeRAM, which is roughly the same cost and slower |
| 22:43.19 | MonMotha | battery backed SRAM is still fairly cheap |
| 22:43.31 | MonMotha | and of course NAND flash is dirt cheap if you can put up with it |
| 22:44.12 | KeyserSoze | the data sheet says access time (for read or write) of 35ns = 28.5MHz |
| 22:44.36 | MonMotha | I've seen faster |
| 22:44.39 | MonMotha | I've seen 20ns |
| 22:44.55 | MonMotha | which is about as fast as you can get asynchronous SRAM |
| 22:45.10 | KeyserSoze | has never used anything that fast besides sram and battery-backed sram |
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| 22:45.37 | KeyserSoze | flash or eeprom, usually built in to the microcontroller, is what i've usually used for persistent storage |
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| 22:45.53 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB ok so it looks to be those pads |
| 22:45.59 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB mapping it out now |
| 22:46.10 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB should be able to confirm it tomorrow |
| 22:46.19 | MonMotha | yes, but the write (well, erase) times on flash and EEPROM is too slow to use it for scratchpad type stuf |
| 22:46.31 | MonMotha | the neat thing about MRAM is that it's fast enough to use as primary storage |
| 22:46.32 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB should have a pinout shortly |
| 22:46.35 | prpplague | brb |
| 22:46.50 | MonMotha | basically, IRQ on LVI, quickly save off the state of the CPU, then bring it back up when power returns |
| 22:47.01 | MonMotha | boom, insta-on, and pull the plug whenever you feel |
| 22:47.06 | MonMotha | only thing is you have to repopulate the cache |
| 22:48.34 | KeyserSoze | so you'd not use internal sram, and then just save registers? |
| 22:48.50 | KeyserSoze | you'd still have to re-init all the hardware, though |
| 22:49.03 | MonMotha | anything where I need a sufficient amount of RAM to look at MRAM is likely to not have enough internal SRAM to do much with it anyway |
| 22:49.21 | MonMotha | yes |
| 22:49.33 | MonMotha | basically, you're looking at something like STR on PCs, but with unlimited lifetime in suspend |
| 22:49.55 | MonMotha | you just make it able to be entered quick enough that it can be done upon detecting power failure |
| 22:50.31 | MonMotha | bring the CPU up, restore the hardware state, restore the OS context, and jump back in |
| 23:01.27 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB yep, should have an answer in the morning |
| 23:03.55 | prpplague | g1powermac_PB definetly looks as though the 4 test pads there in that area are the jtag |
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| 23:04.48 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: ahh, ok |
| 23:04.55 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: which test pads? |
| 23:06.40 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: thanks again for doing this, I'm quite excited :-) |
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| 23:10.23 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: hmm, did you get my last message? |
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| 23:13.46 | RobotGuy | It looks like no package for me today. |
| 23:14.08 | roxfan2 | g1powermac_PB: E1002 one would be my guess |
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| 23:45.34 | g1powermac_PB | roxfan2: not sure |
| 23:45.49 | g1powermac_PB | ponders what useable chips are on this old cell phone |
| 23:45.55 | g1powermac_PB | its all bga though |
| 23:48.04 | g1powermac_PB | it does have a nice 32mbit nor flash chip on it |
| 23:48.29 | g1powermac_PB | the qualcomm chipset though is what interests me |
| 23:54.43 | g1powermac_PB | interesting, the qualcomm chip does both the general processing with an arm7 core, and does the baseband stuff |
| 23:59.41 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: hey, looks like prpplague made some progress with the board. I don't understand what the pin orientation issue is, it the datasheet wrong, or the silkscreen, or what? |
