| 00:00.20 | SpeedEvil | you're using an external vref? |
| 00:00.31 | ds2 | I have to as there is no internal vref that low |
| 00:00.41 | ds2 | and it will be differential mode too |
| 00:06.50 | Mirell | Lars_G: Setting the immutable flag on a file in Linux (ext2/3) |
| 00:07.07 | Mirell | Lars_G: Caused about 30 minutes of confusion at work today, as to why root couldn't move a file. |
| 00:20.23 | Lars_G | :D |
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| 01:08.08 | Lars_G | likes to turn up the volume when he gets out the screwdrive set, so the neighbors can't hear the machines scream |
| 01:17.43 | g1powermac_PB | hahah |
| 01:18.34 | g1powermac_PB | just screwdrivers ehh? mine don't scream till i break out the dremel, and/or acetylene torch ;-) |
| 01:20.44 | g1powermac_PB | wonders if GPSFan has done anything else with blob |
| 01:23.01 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: no, I've been busy with farm stuff and trying to get a kernel initramfs booting. |
| 01:23.22 | g1powermac_PB | k |
| 01:25.56 | GPSFan | it almost boots, the kernel starts finds the initramfs, starts busybox, and dies after starting the randon # gen. it's supposed to put a getty on the stuart console. |
| 01:26.13 | g1powermac_PB | nice |
| 01:27.37 | GPSFan | this basically a copy of the rootfs I've used elsewhere on the z2. probably a pilot problem. |
| 01:28.26 | Lars_G | g1powermac_PB: any idea why both powerbook lcds after some use turn black from the corners in slowly? |
| 01:28.55 | g1powermac_PB | Lars_G: hmm, no, never seen that behavior |
| 01:30.05 | Lars_G | I think it's old age chemical reaction but it's very odd |
| 01:30.16 | g1powermac_PB | prolly |
| 01:33.03 | GPSFan | probably something to do with the getty startup or a /dev/??? problem |
| 01:33.19 | g1powermac_PB | yea, maybe |
| 01:33.32 | g1powermac_PB | goes off to read the backlog at the zipit yahoo group |
| 01:34.11 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: GPSFan ->IRC = cynfab -> Yahoo |
| 01:34.20 | g1powermac_PB | ahh, k |
| 01:34.32 | GPSFan | cul |
| 01:40.12 | g1powermac_PB | woah |
| 01:40.30 | g1powermac_PB | Brendan Sleight is active on the zipit group?! |
| 01:40.47 | g1powermac_PB | he's one of the guys I worked with on the morphix livecd! |
| 01:40.51 | g1powermac_PB | small world :-) |
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| 02:19.51 | g1powermac_PB | gnight all |
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| 11:31.42 | g1powermac_PB | morning GPSFan |
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| 11:34.29 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: morning |
| 11:40.08 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: http://www.pastebin.ca/1013656 |
| 11:44.32 | GPSFan | waves his new kernel at g1powermac_PB |
| 11:49.06 | g1powermac_PB | nice!!! |
| 11:49.43 | g1powermac_PB | what did ya need to do to boot the kernel? |
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| 11:53.25 | Appleman1234 | Hi |
| 12:00.20 | g1powermac_PB | hey Appleman1234 |
| 12:01.33 | Appleman1234 | i have an embedded device and the hdd doesn't spin up, but the sata connectors get power fine tested with a multimeter and the drive and connector lines up perfect (the hdd works fine plugged into another machine) any ideas ? |
| 12:04.51 | g1powermac_PB | hmm, gtg for awhile, bbl |
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| 12:30.33 | GPSFan | g1powermac_PB: it was a pilot error, I had the getty starting on ttyS0, the stuart is ttyS2, once I realzed that it booted right away. |
| 12:31.06 | GPSFan | of course I realized that at 5:00am this morning. |
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| 14:05.05 | SpeedEvil | cues the March of the Penguins soundtrack album. |
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| 14:29.40 | prpplague | ho ho ho , merry freakin saturday |
| 14:31.11 | ico2 | lol |
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| 14:37.04 | prpplague | grumbles |
| 14:42.37 | prpplague | GPSFan g1powermac_PB any more zipit news? |
| 14:42.56 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.23 | prpplague | lovely |
| 14:44.38 | prpplague | GPSFan i'm still trying to decide about order a z2 |
| 14:44.56 | prpplague | GPSFan i don't have the time to tinker with it, but i like a good challenge |
| 14:45.23 | prpplague | GPSFan i'd kind of like to get apex booting on it |
| 14:46.10 | GPSFan | well it would be a way to tinker with marvell gspi drivers. but then you have that capability at work. |
| 14:46.28 | GPSFan | apex would be a great contribution. |
| 14:47.36 | prpplague | that old version of blob isn't going to be as robust |
| 14:48.12 | prpplague | GPSFan plus i have a desire to map out that external connector |
| 14:49.11 | GPSFan | well if roxfan isn't going to strip all the parts off tomw's board, then you have the other option. |
| 14:50.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: that's the only un-contaminated way to get the pinnout. |
| 14:51.02 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:51.37 | prpplague | did roxfan get the entire unit or just the pcb? |
| 14:52.12 | prpplague | you know you could add a barcode scanner to the zipit easy |
| 14:52.16 | roxfan | unit |
| 14:52.24 | prpplague | roxfan ahh |
| 14:52.29 | roxfan | and i don't have the equipment for desoldering anyway |
| 14:52.36 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 14:54.37 | prpplague | roxfan maybe we can work out something |
| 14:54.44 | prpplague | roxfan zip for a hammer, hehe |
| 14:55.41 | roxfan | hmm maybe |
| 14:59.11 | SpeedEvil | roxfan: hot air paintstripper works just fine id you're dissasembling it all |
| 14:59.20 | SpeedEvil | And don't want the parts |
| 14:59.32 | roxfan | i don't have that either... |
| 15:15.05 | g1powermac_PB | has a heat gun. . . |
| 15:15.16 | SpeedEvil | Even a hot oven works :) |
| 15:15.21 | g1powermac_PB | prpplague: yea, GPSFan got to boot his kernel :-) |
| 15:15.39 | g1powermac_PB | has been out shopping for food all morning |
| 15:15.51 | g1powermac_PB | GPSFan: ahh, interesting |
| 15:18.08 | g1powermac_PB | well, time to go to work |
| 15:18.11 | g1powermac_PB | bbiab |
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| 15:34.18 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:55.19 | GPSFan | prpplague: what do you normally put in the initramfs that's compiled in with the kernel. atm I have a full busybox/uclibc (dynamic lib) but no additional driver modules. I guess what'w needed is just enough to boot to a minimal enough userland to load what drivers you need for mmc or jffs2 then mount the real userland and switchroot to it. Then add the other drivers as neccessary from the new rootfs. |
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| 16:00.46 | g1powermac | bwahahahahah |
| 16:00.53 | g1powermac | got his gsm module from china |
| 16:01.04 | g1powermac | and it came with a breakout board and two sim card slots |
| 16:01.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:01.23 | g1powermac | SpeedEvil, thanks for the recommendation :-) |
| 16:01.41 | SpeedEvil | I don't know why they are doing that. |
| 16:01.53 | g1powermac | not sure, but its awesome |
| 16:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Not saying it'll be suppied on the auction. |
| 16:02.41 | g1powermac | mmm, fully documented pinout on the back of the breakout board too |
| 16:02.44 | g1powermac | gotta love that |
| 16:03.32 | g1powermac | interesting, it says "Gift" on the sim card bag |
| 16:04.14 | g1powermac | maybe they just want to get more customer satisfaction and/or they don't have enough of the breakout boards/sim card slots for all the modules |
| 16:05.36 | GPSFan | g1powermac: so how much/month will that gsm module cost? and how will you go about getting service? |
| 16:06.29 | g1powermac | GPSFan, its actually incredibly cheap, compared to what you get at sfe |
| 16:06.40 | g1powermac | I only paid like $40 something for it |
| 16:06.48 | GPSFan | not the module itself the service. |
| 16:07.09 | g1powermac | for service, its pretty simple, just need to get a sim card from a provider that does gsm |
| 16:07.17 | g1powermac | like at&t |
| 16:08.12 | GPSFan | and that costs what? |
| 16:08.17 | g1powermac | no clue |
| 16:08.20 | g1powermac | :-) |
| 16:08.22 | GPSFan | ah. |
| 16:08.39 | g1powermac | lemme go see |
| 16:08.41 | SpeedEvil | In the UK - you can get PAYG sims for free (well - 50p or so) |
| 16:08.52 | GPSFan | what sort of data rates? |
| 16:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Which let you make calls at the rate of about $.1/min. |
| 16:09.33 | SpeedEvil | In the UK, you can get t-mobile which lets you use GPRS at a capped limit of one pound a day. |
| 16:09.51 | SpeedEvil | at 5-6K/sec |
| 16:10.03 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: so you can buy a PAYG sim at (enter walmart equiv here) load it up with $$ (or pounds) |
| 16:10.14 | SpeedEvil | GPSFan: yep. |
| 16:10.24 | g1powermac | interesting |
| 16:10.28 | SpeedEvil | GPSFan: though the walmart brand is not used in the UK. |
| 16:10.31 | g1powermac | guess you could go that way as well |
| 16:10.43 | SpeedEvil | GPSFan: even though they own the 5th or so supermarket chain. |
| 16:10.52 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yeah, I fixed the pdf... |
| 16:11.03 | GPSFan | tesco's |
| 16:11.09 | ce_geek | prpplague: Only 3.1 megs now :-P |
| 16:11.15 | SpeedEvil | g[s: no - asda |
| 16:11.18 | ce_geek | prpplague: I had a huge picture in there, oops. |
| 16:11.54 | ce_geek | prpplague; Rick said to give him the document Monday. I really wish he hadn't, I wouldn't have goofed off Friday afternoon. Though, it gave me time to spend with people I won't see again in a long time. Oh well. |
| 16:12.31 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: is that for DUN, so you would need an ISP account with dial up access as well. |
| 16:15.10 | g1powermac | GPSFan, it looks like you can get GPRS too with a prepaid sim card from at&t |
| 16:15.21 | g1powermac | the trick is getting a salesperson who has a clue |
| 16:16.20 | g1powermac | hrm, maybe not, I keep seeing conflicting info |
| 16:16.43 | g1powermac | should just walk down to the local at&t store to see if they have any clue |
| 16:17.30 | GPSFan | g1powermac: the data rate seems pretty abismal. good for telemetry/ geo-location, but not great for web browsing. |
| 16:18.01 | g1powermac | meh, they always are |
| 16:19.29 | chouimat | yay today is backup festival and update all (most of) the computer on my network |
| 16:20.09 | g1powermac | hmm, this gsm module has jtag on it too |
| 16:21.02 | SpeedEvil | GPSFan: GPRS is PPP to your phone providers network center, where tehy break it out ot the interneet, you can't have a seperate ISP |
| 16:22.28 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: so it's a real data service. with ATT (t-mobile etc) as the provider. does the module have a mac address (it must). |
| 16:23.23 | SpeedEvil | In a sense - yes. |
| 16:23.27 | prpplague | ce_geek ahh much better at 3.1megs |
| 16:23.31 | GPSFan | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 16:23.32 | SpeedEvil | basically the phone number |
| 16:23.33 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 16:23.52 | SpeedEvil | GPSFan: though it's the |
| 16:23.59 | SpeedEvil | IMSI/IMEI that implemtnes it. |
| 16:24.09 | prpplague | ce_geek finishing up today? |
| 16:25.15 | prpplague | GPSFan yea, i normally only including in the kernel just enough to boot the system |
| 16:25.29 | prpplague | GPSFan yea, i normally only including in the kernel just enough to boot the system |
| 16:25.42 | prpplague | GPSFan the rest i load as modules |
| 16:25.56 | prpplague | GPSFan primary reason is to cut down on boot time |
| 16:26.05 | prpplague | GPSFan are you using initramfs or initrd? |
| 16:26.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: k, just trying to figure out a good way. initramfs. |
| 16:26.42 | prpplague | GPSFan ahh i kind of prefer initrd, but thats just me |
| 16:26.46 | g1powermac | is jealous GPSFan gets to have all the fun ;-) |
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| 16:27.24 | prpplague | GPSFan you might to set the kernel args to add lpj value so that it doesn't have to be calculated on boot |
| 16:27.40 | GPSFan | doesn't have a preference, the last time I did something like this was the z1 which was kernel 2.4 so no initramfs. |
| 16:28.07 | prpplague | GPSFan got the url for your bootlog again? |
| 16:28.23 | GPSFan | http://www.pastebin.ca/1013656 |
| 16:28.59 | GPSFan | lpj? |
| 16:30.05 | prpplague | loops per juffy |
| 16:30.07 | prpplague | jiffy |
| 16:30.26 | prpplague | you boot log seems to be missing some of the items i'd expect to see |
| 16:30.39 | prpplague | GPSFan if you do a dmesg, do you get more info? |
| 16:30.43 | GPSFan | ah, i thisk it's arready set, this kernel doesn't seem to calculate bobomips and just flys through the bootup |
| 16:31.05 | prpplague | ok they may have hard coded the value |
| 16:31.54 | GPSFan | http://www.pastebin.ca/1013824 |
| 16:32.53 | prpplague | ahh yea thats more like what i would expect |
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| 16:33.11 | prpplague | i'd guess they have the main level of console reporting turned down |
| 16:33.22 | GPSFan | /var/log/messages is in that paste too. |
| 16:35.02 | prpplague | GPSFan yea, looks like there are few things that could be tweaked for boot speed, but nothing major |
| 16:35.04 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'm really happy about how easy it was to get the new kernel booting. |
| 16:35.25 | prpplague | just loading it via the serial port ? |
| 16:35.30 | g1powermac | GPSFan, over the course next few days, if you could give me a summary of interesting things you find doing the kernel stuff, that'd be awesome |
| 16:35.33 | GPSFan | yep |
| 16:35.43 | g1powermac | I'll post it right up to the zipit site |
| 16:36.07 | prpplague | the two things that jump out are, 1) specify the lpj 2) specify the exact size of the flash |
| 16:36.23 | prpplague | GPSFan you are loosing about 2 seconds on boot due to flash probing |
| 16:36.38 | prpplague | (2seconds is a rough guess) |
| 16:37.15 | prpplague | probably like 1.75 seconds |
| 16:38.30 | GPSFan | yeah, the 115200 terminal speed is probably masking those delays. |
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| 16:40.12 | prpplague | GPSFan yea, in addition, but having the serial port report all those printks it really slows the system down |
| 16:41.03 | g1powermac | prpplague, they prolly really didn't care to speed up boot time on it |
| 16:41.12 | GPSFan | sure, but this is basically zipit's .config & patches, a good starting point for future work. |
| 16:41.28 | g1powermac | actually, their own program that loads after boot takes longer to work than the booting process itself |
| 16:42.32 | prpplague | yea, its just that i'm used to optimizing stuff like boot time, hehe |
| 16:42.43 | prpplague | i'm sure we can get it much more robust |
| 16:43.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: of course, my point is that this is the starting point with no optimizations as yet. WE are the ones that are going to optimize and do kernel updates. |
| 16:44.01 | prpplague | GPSFan right, understood |
| 16:44.05 | GPSFan | and we haven't really started yet |
| 16:44.49 | g1powermac | should go back and keep reading his embedded linux book |
| 16:44.50 | GPSFan | now that I have a self-built kernel and initramfs built, I'm going to poke at blob a bit. |
| 16:45.09 | prpplague | GPSFan what changes are you looking at doing for blob? |
| 16:46.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: no changes as yet, I just want to understand what works in their current code, and if I can recompile it to a working binary. |
| 16:46.25 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:46.31 | prpplague | well blob is a mess |
| 16:46.44 | prpplague | specially with pxa support being hacked into it |
| 16:47.06 | GPSFan | always has been, always will be, that's why <insert diety here> gave man apex. |
| 16:49.16 | g1powermac | heh |
| 16:50.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:51.06 | prpplague | misses traveling for work |
| 16:51.14 | ce_geek | prpplague: Yep marching here in a few hours. There's stuff going on here in the building and I've been escaping once in a while to play in the lab :-P |
| 16:51.26 | prpplague | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112495/plotsummary |
| 16:51.40 | prpplague | funny i watched that movie about 5 months ago on tv |
| 16:51.54 | prpplague | ce_geek ahh fun |
| 16:52.20 | prpplague | ce_geek i sent your last revision of the paper to the boss |
| 16:52.26 | prpplague | ce_geek said it was looking really good |
| 16:52.55 | prpplague | ce_geek i assume when you get all done we can get an editable version to add stuff to |
| 16:53.17 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'd be happy to, though it's typeset with LaTeX :-/ |
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| 16:53.58 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'm hoping that I can help facilitate edits too, though I can imagine it being cumbersome |
| 16:54.09 | ce_geek | When did you send it? Was it the huge one? |
| 16:56.04 | prpplague | ce_geek i sent it on friday, but i converted it down to 1.8mb pdf |
| 16:56.13 | prpplague | latex is fine |
| 16:56.27 | prpplague | we can also just dump to text with pdf2ascii |
| 16:57.16 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh cool. I haven't played with that. |
| 16:57.35 | ce_geek | prpplague: I'd like to continue to be involved if you think that can work. |
| 16:57.46 | g1powermac | hmm, this book has info about porting uboot to new archs and boards, interesting |
| 16:58.04 | ce_geek | prpplague: What are your thoughts about PDF vs. Wiki, etc? Seems like both have advantages and disadvantages. |
| 16:58.28 | ce_geek | prpplague: Oh, also need to figure out the license thing. Is it just a matter of picking the right one and pasting it on its own page? |
| 16:58.40 | prpplague | ce_geek i'm more of a wiki person, because it fits my style of learning |
| 16:58.51 | prpplague | ce_geek yea prett much |
| 16:59.03 | prpplague | ce_geek creative commons seems to be the most popular for documents |
| 16:59.05 | ce_geek | prpplague: Cool. I'll plan to move to that mode then. |
| 16:59.15 | prpplague | ce_geek however there are alot of kernel documents that are gpl |
| 16:59.34 | prpplague | most of the kernel "howtos" are gpl |
| 17:01.23 | ccjoe | g1powermac, what book is it? |
| 17:01.39 | g1powermac | ccjoe, "Embedded Linux Primer" |
| 17:01.52 | ccjoe | thanks |
| 17:02.20 | g1powermac | ya welcome |
| 17:06.01 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:06.36 | prpplague | doesn't feel like doing anything too mentally demanding today |
| 17:07.11 | chouimat | prpplague: hehe welcome to the club :) |
| 17:07.46 | prpplague | its hard to find anything on tv that is above "american idol" and below a documentary on string theory |
| 17:08.02 | g1powermac | mmm, string theory |
| 17:08.06 | chouimat | prpplague: I'm planning to watch BSG today ... |
| 17:08.32 | prpplague | chouimat last night's episode was pretty good imho |
| 17:08.40 | prpplague | so was dr.who |
| 17:09.43 | chouimat | prpplague: I was loaded at work (still is) and I was also a little bit depressed lately so I'm kind of late in watching tv series ... I have a few weeks to catch :( |
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| 17:10.37 | chouimat | prpplague: this is interesting http://www.microcontroller.com/news/microchip_pic32.asp |
| 17:11.40 | prpplague | interesting |
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| 18:46.54 | g1powermac | heya RobotGuy |
| 18:47.54 | RobotGuy | Hi |
| 18:48.17 | g1powermac | got his gsm module from china today :-) |
| 18:48.31 | g1powermac | and yea, it even came with a breakout board and sim card slot |
| 18:48.41 | g1powermac | all for like $40 something |
| 18:50.23 | g1powermac | I do have to solder the module to the breakout board though, that could be interesting |
| 18:53.50 | g1powermac | though really now that I look at it, it shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:54.06 | RobotGuy | Neat |
| 19:07.35 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: Have you ever done any logic programming, like in Prolog? |
| 19:08.42 | g1powermac | I've looked into it right before stopping my electronics stuff |
| 19:08.52 | g1powermac | I actually have books on VHDL and stuff |
| 19:09.55 | g1powermac | one thing I would recommend is to get a good grasp of digital circuit design first, all that stuff with gates, flip-flops and stuff |
| 19:11.15 | RobotGuy | I understand digital circuitry better than I undrestand anything else. |
| 19:11.27 | g1powermac | thats good :-) |
| 19:12.11 | RobotGuy | I used to be able to do digital circuit minimization in my head. |
| 19:12.43 | ali_as_ | When you shut your eyes do you see a karnaugh map grid? |
| 19:12.52 | RobotGuy | Karnagh (sp?) maps and all that. |
| 19:13.03 | RobotGuy | Yeah, those. |
| 19:13.19 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, thats very good |
| 19:13.34 | RobotGuy | I used to, but haven't worked with that stuff for quite awhile now. This was when I was still in school. |
| 19:13.39 | ali_as_ | I did some AI in prolog, I hated it. |
| 19:14.07 | RobotGuy | Well, Prolog IS an AI language. Seems it would be a natural for robotics. |
| 19:14.31 | g1powermac | knows little of AI or Prolog |
| 19:14.39 | g1powermac | though that will change |
| 19:14.52 | g1powermac | new college I'm going to has an AI course that I'm definitely taking :-) |
| 19:15.08 | RobotGuy | IUGA is big into AI and now robotics. |
| 19:15.10 | RobotGuy | UGA |
| 19:15.12 | chouimat|away | g1powermac: I took 2 ... |
| 19:15.19 | ali_as_ | It's all backwards, tries to be smart and take all the complexity away from the programmer, ends up putting it where it's least capable. |
| 19:15.30 | RobotGuy | UGA has an MSAI program. |
| 19:15.39 | ali_as_ | UGA? |
| 19:15.46 | RobotGuy | University of GA |
| 19:15.53 | g1powermac | ahh |
| 19:16.08 | ali_as_ | MSAI? |
| 19:16.22 | RobotGuy | I wish I could have stayed in school after High School. |
| 19:16.47 | ali_as_ | Some aspects of AI are quite clever. |
| 19:16.50 | chouimat|away | g1powermac: first one was in prolog and the second one was "agent based" but instead of using the language of the book (lisp) I had to program everything in C++ or Java. the reason was the teacher didn't want to teach us LISP but the real reason was he didn't want to learn it first :) |
| 19:16.56 | RobotGuy | Masters of Science in Artificial Intelligence |
| 19:17.03 | ali_as_ | Mostly everything done before about 20 years ago. |
| 19:17.48 | g1powermac | chouimat|away, hehe, I was about to learn lisp before I left college two years ago |
| 19:18.18 | RobotGuy | chouimat|away: He was teaching an AI course and didn't want to learn the obvious choice for programming languages? |
| 19:18.59 | chouimat|away | g1powermac: I know lisp I did a few programs in autolisp a few years ago (like 19 to 15 years ago) |
| 19:19.13 | g1powermac | I actually still might have the scheme stuff still on my powerbook |
| 19:19.41 | RobotGuy | chouimat|away: What were you doing in 1976? |
| 19:20.16 | RobotGuy | And why am I typing to someone who is away? :P |
| 19:20.33 | chouimat|away | RobotGuy: he was an ass ... I did as a project an agent his graduate students where trying to do for 5 years in 3 weeks ... it worked, it was slow and I took a few short cut too |
| 19:20.34 | g1powermac | thats because he still is ;-) |
| 19:21.10 | RobotGuy | Maybe he always has been? |
| 19:21.17 | chouimat|away | RobotGuy: 1976? I don't remember probably playing with my legos , watching tv and peeing in my bed I was 2 |
| 19:21.37 | RobotGuy | chouimat|away: You are a youngster then. |
| 19:22.05 | g1powermac | hmm, in 76 my mom was only 13 ;-) |
| 19:22.20 | RobotGuy | Two youngsters! |
| 19:22.44 | RobotGuy | I had already been programming for 3 years in 1976, still in school. |
| 19:23.15 | chouimat|away | likes this " I will be here in 10 minutes" .... and it's more than 45 ... woman *sigh* |
| 19:23.17 | RobotGuy | <-- OLD |
| 19:23.47 | g1powermac | is only 21 :-) |
| 19:24.03 | RobotGuy | I programmed a mouse in maze (with memory) in APL in 1977. |
| 19:24.35 | g1powermac | my first real programming was done in, sadly, javascript |
| 19:24.42 | chouimat|away | yay finaly ... bbl |
| 19:24.51 | GPSFan | g1powermac: pict of the new kernel's logo: http://www.paonia.com/~kenm/Pix/images/Zipit/Z2/PICT1110.JPG |
| 19:25.04 | g1powermac | GPSFan, ooo, nice :-) |
| 19:25.24 | g1powermac | man, I'm dying here not being able to enjoy the fun ;-) |
| 19:25.27 | RobotGuy | Cute flightless bird in a tuxedo. |
| 19:25.38 | GPSFan | just a slight bit larger than the zipit logo |
| 19:26.09 | g1powermac | GPSFan, is there something coming out the sd card slot? |
| 19:26.11 | GPSFan | the white background is a bit over exposed |
| 19:26.35 | ali_as_ | Has the keyboard responsiveness been improved btw? I read that was a problem. |
| 19:26.47 | GPSFan | yeah a piece of tape I use to get mi micro-sd card out of it's adapter without removing the adapter from the z2 |
| 19:26.48 | g1powermac | doubt it |
| 19:26.58 | g1powermac | GPSFan, ahh |
| 19:27.03 | GPSFan | ali_as_: no work has been done on it lately. |
| 19:27.19 | g1powermac | the keyboard stuff definitely has to be worked on |
| 19:27.23 | g1powermac | its horrible |
| 19:28.44 | g1powermac | RobotGuy, my first real exposure to pseudo programming was doing an internet/html course way back when I first started college |
| 19:29.23 | RobotGuy | What do yoi define as pseudo "programming?" |
| 19:29.43 | g1powermac | wonders if he should explain his weird schooling experience before stating how many years ago that was in relation to my age. . . |
| 19:30.35 | g1powermac | html isn't a programming language, but in essence it does tell your browser what to display, so I consider it pseudo programming :-) |
| 19:30.36 | RobotGuy | I meant "pseudo "programming" |
| 19:30.47 | RobotGuy | Oh |
| 19:30.51 | g1powermac | but yea, that was about 6 years ago |
| 19:31.14 | RobotGuy | I can't remember when I started messing with websites. |
| 19:31.31 | g1powermac | never actually went to high school |
| 19:31.46 | RobotGuy | Home school? |
| 19:31.49 | g1powermac | was homeschooled till i was 15 |
| 19:32.05 | g1powermac | when my parents found they couldn't handle teaching me any longer :-) |
| 19:32.17 | RobotGuy | Too smart? |
| 19:32.25 | g1powermac | my mom amazingly got the local community college to allow me to take courses |
| 19:32.39 | RobotGuy | Yep, too smart. :) |
| 19:32.48 | g1powermac | heh, yea |
| 19:33.11 | RobotGuy | I took a graduate level programming class right out of high school. |
| 19:33.20 | RobotGuy | Special permission required |
| 19:33.35 | g1powermac | at that time I was going for a history major and eventually to work in historic preservation, which is how i ended up here in KY |
| 19:33.50 | g1powermac | good schools for history and good jobs too |
| 19:33.59 | RobotGuy | Lots of history to preserve in that area. |
| 19:34.09 | g1powermac | then I changed my mind and my parents almost shot me ;-) |
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| 19:34.50 | RobotGuy | I wish I was your age again and could stay in school. |
| 19:35.02 | g1powermac | computer science interested me more |
| 19:35.24 | RobotGuy | I had to do a lot of the funky math in electronics. |
| 19:35.38 | g1powermac | so i got a fairly big backlog of courses that do nothing for me |
| 19:35.47 | RobotGuy | phase angles, impedence calculations, etc. |
| 19:35.56 | g1powermac | maxwell's equations? |
| 19:36.10 | RobotGuy | I don't recall those |
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| 19:36.30 | g1powermac | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations |
| 19:36.39 | RobotGuy | I just did what I needed to do for electronics. |
| 19:37.10 | g1powermac | yea |
| 19:37.57 | g1powermac | so now during my cs training I discovered a microcontroller kit, which I bought online |
| 19:38.05 | RobotGuy | I might have messed with those. |
| 19:38.16 | g1powermac | all my electronics and hardware training is all self taught |
| 19:38.27 | RobotGuy | Much of mine is also. |
| 19:38.37 | g1powermac | since my college didn't offer anything for hardware stuff |
| 19:38.38 | RobotGuy | A very large part of is, in fact |
| 19:39.05 | g1powermac | but man, I did impress the professors at the college with my neat things I built :-) |
| 19:39.33 | RobotGuy | I don't know if I can get my head around Prolog though. I have been trying to learn Smalltalk (Squeak). |
| 19:40.21 | RobotGuy | I don't do much experimentation, because I am affraid to let the smoke out of components. |
| 19:40.29 | g1powermac | heh |
| 19:40.39 | g1powermac | I never actually got smoke |
| 19:41.06 | g1powermac | I did kill an led and some logic chips |
| 19:41.21 | RobotGuy | I actually haven't let too much out, but when it happens, it usually costs $60.00 or more. |
| 19:41.44 | RobotGuy | I killed my Hammer |
| 19:42.02 | g1powermac | though I heard of somebody sticking components in an AC powerstrip and flipping the switch to watch them blow up :-) |
| 19:42.34 | RobotGuy | g1powermac: That was a standard thing in every basic electronics course. SOMEBODY always did it - just a matter of time. |
| 19:42.47 | g1powermac | dang |
| 19:42.56 | g1powermac | missed the fun |
| 19:43.39 | RobotGuy | It's what circuit breakers were made for. |
| 19:43.52 | g1powermac | I never killed something really expensive though, iirc |
| 19:44.35 | RobotGuy | I still can't figure out why somebody would be considering sending ME a very expensive robot to tinker with and develop for. |
| 19:45.22 | g1powermac | still got my gumstix that I think still works |
| 19:45.36 | g1powermac | came close to killing it a few times though |
| 19:46.07 | RobotGuy | I should go back to tinkering with PICs/dsPICs and such. |
| 19:46.15 | g1powermac | but thats because it really needed to be cased, or at least the modules physically attached to each other beyond the little header boards |
| 19:47.59 | RobotGuy | I really hate the way the Gumstix connection to other things is designed. |
| 19:48.15 | g1powermac | yea, it isn't great |
| 19:48.33 | RobotGuy | It's worse than that IMO. |
| 19:49.03 | g1powermac | bought his gumstix quite a bit before the hammer was a reality |
| 19:49.21 | RobotGuy | I thought maybe they would do it better with the Verdex, but I guess not. |
| 19:50.28 | RobotGuy | I thought for awhile I would like to have a Verdex 600L, but I changed my mind. I don't want a Gumstix anymore. |
| 19:51.07 | g1powermac | doesn't remember which one he has |
| 19:51.27 | RobotGuy | Prpbably a Connex, unless it is a Basix |
| 19:51.34 | RobotGuy | Probably |
| 19:51.48 | g1powermac | yea, looks like the connex |
| 19:52.31 | g1powermac | yea, got the connex with the netcf module right when it came out |
| 19:52.49 | g1powermac | bought the netcf so early that the firmware on the connex didn't support it |
| 19:52.58 | RobotGuy | That is early! |
| 19:53.15 | g1powermac | and they even had to ship me a second netcf module because the first batch was defective |
| 19:53.54 | g1powermac | of course I never got around to actually updating the firmware before I lost interest in it |
| 19:54.40 | RobotGuy | Why did you lose interest in it? |
| 19:54.51 | g1powermac | casing |
| 19:55.01 | g1powermac | it was really hard to work with the thing without it falling apart |
| 19:55.23 | RobotGuy | I can imagine, and probably no easy way to correct that. |
| 19:55.50 | g1powermac | yea, at that time they didn't have any cases to use with the netcf card |
| 19:55.58 | g1powermac | now they do though. . .hmm |
| 19:56.18 | g1powermac | bbiab |
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